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CrankyMammy wrote on Jul 29, 2006 9:11 PM:

" To KingFish: I think "them apples" of yours are a wee bit bitter. "

KingFish wrote on Jul 27, 2006 9:08 AM:

" Paying the price for sin...WE all make mistakes, however, at some point we must pay the price and then repent and turn from our sin. God will judge and since WE ARE our Brother's keeper, we must judge too. Rev. Ted needs help. Government law is designed to help. PC-USA needs help too. They are in violation of God's law by not supporting Israel. In fact they denounce her. In addition, PC-USA needs help because they support ordaining (as clergy) homosexual sinners...I can see why Rev. Ted was so angry and confused; with national presbyterian leadership sending mixed messages about sin. What do you think of them apples? Your friend in Jesus. "

CrankyMammy wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:59 PM:

" To mj gonzalez: Brother, I could not have said it better. Bravo! "

mj gonzalez wrote on Jul 18, 2006 9:01 AM:

" bottomline is this folks we r all sinner's we r only saved by his grace& mercy .views ,opinions&say so don't count.'THE WORD' which is 'Jesus Christ" nothing esle.no one - no body- can save us only the word can .so here we r do we accept the truth or reject the truth. its up to u!please stop blaming&shifting r sin off instead let it be wash off.my last comment is we all need "THE WORD"just look around ya.do u see peace or joy in our town or do u see tremoil? guess what u can make this change.it's all up 2 you.accept or reject the truth .i encouage ya do whats right in "THE WORD'S"eyes.i send this out only with love! l ps.you may not know this but GOD created in us this emotion called anger.with this you make the choice to either sin or don't sin...GOT TOGO!!! "

Craig wrote on Jul 16, 2006 12:15 PM:

" I pray for Ted and his family, as well as for Second Pres, for the strength to make it through this trying time. Some of the prior comments are well-taken. The stress and demands that a large church put on our clergy do not go without repercussions. "

agnostic/christian wrote on Jul 15, 2006 3:00 PM:

" looks like the "Another Agnostic" and the "2 Pres Member" are together on the central issue - Choosing leadership who are held accountable to the standards as set by their respective governing boards. After the discussion of the book of Titus came up, I reread it..."Another Agnostic" has hit it on the head. Looking for a pastor is tough. Holding that person in a loving, accountable relationship is hard, but necessary. Now is the time to fall on our faces. We have done The Church a true disservice by not doing our job. Oh, woe. "

Another Agnostic wrote on Jul 15, 2006 11:40 AM:

" Beyond being a tragic failure of one man, in the context of Philip Queen's previous betrayal, this event is a failure of your church to choose its leadership. This type of failure is not limited to 2nd Pres. Look at the Catholic Church, Enronn, Springfield and Washington, where leaders from both sides of the aisle continually shame our heritage with their perpetual lies. When they fail, like Nixon, Clinton, Bush, Phil Queen and Ted Pierce, we chose another leader cut from the same cloth. Why? When you build an institution on a rigid, inflexible, unyielding ideology, you will be unlikely to find leaders who offer little more than a naked will to power. You will not find great men and women. And in a complex, multi-cultural world that demands communication, compassion, and open mindedness, these leaders will always let you down. If praying for Ted Pierce helps you through this trauma, or if you think it helps him, by all means continue to pray. Be compassionate. But do not forget to deeply examine the cause of your church's inability to find a stable, trustworthy leader. "

To "Can Do Without" wrote on Jul 14, 2006 11:37 PM:

" I see where you're coming from! I go to a Christian church because I like the people. But sometimes I read things from well-meaning people that sound like nonsense, and I think it turns people off to Christianity as being either stuck-up, brainwashed, hypocritical or worse. Christianity's interesting to talk about with an open mind and it doesn't revolve around the Bible for everyone. I'm at Bereal1776@yahoo.com. Take care. "

To "Can Do Without" wrote on Jul 14, 2006 7:47 AM:

" You're totally right......they can throw rocks like Lebanese teenagers.....but if they were Lesbian teenagers they would be cast into the burning fires of hell...or so the Thumpers say "

It's "Presumed" wrote on Jul 13, 2006 9:57 PM:

" To: "What?" ("Whatever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty?) People are NOT "Innocent until proven guilty". People are (in a legal, due process context) "PRESUMED innocent until proven guilty". If somebody does something wrong, they're guilty...even if nobody, but God knows it. "

Can do without Church wrote on Jul 13, 2006 3:51 PM:

" I love how you Christians are ready to forgive and forget when it comes to one of you leaders but if a gay leader or a pro-choice leader has some problems, you all come running out with your rock-throwing arms cocked and ready like you're a lebanese teenager. You all twist and turn the bible to mean whatever is convienient for you. Guess what - there are millions of us who would throw a bible on the fireplace as quick as a javalog and not think twice because all of your little quotes mean nothing to us. You know why - because we're NOT CHRISTIANS ! We need to go back to the Roman Days of lion feeding.... "

Just a Thought... wrote on Jul 13, 2006 10:20 AM:

" If he is found guilty, he needs to step down from his position of authority. He and his family need to be prayed for, but he CANNOT be allowed, if guilty, to take over leadership of that church unless and until all of these problems are addressed. If that happened in our church, he would be removed from his duties and the church would be told why...and asked to pray for him and his family. He would be loved through it, but he wouldn't be up front, preaching for a long time, enough time to have all issues successfully dealt with, for his own good as well as the church's. Church leadership comes with an awesome responsibility to live a life beyond reproach....and this, if he is guilty, is certainly worthy of criticism. 2nd Pres has a great outreach. There is good fruit to be seen. I'm sorry for their troubles and will be praying for everyone involved. Sin has consequences for all of us. The reverend, his family and 2nd Pres may well be part of the ripple effect of that. "

Todd Calhoun wrote on Jul 13, 2006 8:09 AM:

" To start, I am a 2PC member but don�t really know the Pierces on a personal level and don�t pretend to know any specifics about their marital problems or of the pending legal issues. I have tried to distance myself from the rumor mill, but there�s no avoiding the topic altogether. My stance - What Would Jesus Do? If he worked for the newspaper, would He report this story? If He were in this community, would He use His time and breath to disseminate negativity? Would He condemn based on speculation? Quite in contrast, the �news� that Jesus proclaims is �The Good News�. If you feel compelled to express your just morals, accept my challenge to demonstrate them by example. Rise above the temptation to criticize and gossip; instead be compassionate, use your time and energy to support, help, and pray for the entire Pierce family and 2PC in their time of need. And if you�re not up to this challenge, feel free to stand by your viewpoint privately and personally � I just ask that you resist the impulse to share it publicly as nothing good will come of it. Lastly, would Jesus post comments on this site? "

CrankyMammy wrote on Jul 12, 2006 8:34 PM:

" To Gay on the Brain: I am not a juvenile with "smut on my computer". I am a mother of 2. And yet, I find your comments regarding gay marriange offensive. I support gay marriage and yet I am capable of doing exactly what you say I am not capable of: I am in a happy 16 year-old marriage. You need to read all of the comments on this post to understand how the connection between a gay union and a straight union happened. I'm thrilled you can read, but you also need to understand. Take your time, and read again. "

one sinner to another wrote on Jul 12, 2006 3:15 PM:

" As Mr. Boon states, "None of us is without sin." Point taken. However, I find the 2 Pres Member's comments regarding accountable relationships quite interesting. I admit, I had not read the book of Titus until today. According to Paul's teaching, those in church leadership are indeed held to a higher standard. Integrity at home and integrity in public will indeed lead to peace in the home and peace in the community. As people of faith, we are called to keep one another "in check". Then, as this member states, we are more likely to have successful ministry because of the way in which we live our lives. Intimate, small group fellowship where trust is preciously guarded is needed in our churches. After reading Titus, and after considerable time on my knees today, I'll be looking carefully for that accountability relationship. I pray that those closest to Ted and Laura are able to provide the same for them. "

JB wrote on Jul 12, 2006 3:03 PM:

" Marc Boon... thank you so much for your comments...I have never had the pleasure of meeting you but you have been an inspiration. I have seen alot of these situations. I am sure that Rev. Ted loves his wife and children, but so often we loose our self control and situations like this occur. Second Pres had been such an influence in my life and my heart goes out to all the members and staff. "

Marc Boon wrote on Jul 12, 2006 11:41 AM:

" Where does any public or private record refer to Rev Pierce's " apparant lack of attention to the needs of his wife and his children has resulted in tragic results"? This is not a case for or against gay marriage and any use of this issue to further anyones personal agenda is reprehensible. Any "ex member" of any church or organization is bound to have an ax or two to grind so grind away and thanks for sticking by us thru the tough times. This isn't about a downtown hotel, gay rights, homeless people in the front row, or how many times 2PC is in the news, it's about the lives of two of my best friends, their family, and their church. "Nobody is in a position to point fingers" means none of us is without sin...period. My faith is in the Lord Jesus Christ and He alone knows the truth because He IS the truth, the life, and the way. "

Flawed Humans All wrote on Jul 12, 2006 11:09 AM:

" We are ALL flawed, let us remember. St. Peter denied Christ three times and God was still able to use him - for over 2000 years and counting. We are all broken, flawed, sinful human beings. And we are all capable of things we swear we would never do. Instead of judging them, why not pray for them? The world loves to find something, point a finger, and say, "See!" Again, let's pray instead of judge. God help us all in our sin. "

2 Pres Member wrote on Jul 12, 2006 9:24 AM:

" Have we misplaced the Scriptural standards which are outlined for our pastors, bishops, clergy, elders, decons, priests, rabbi, etc? In the book of Titus, these servants of God are admonished to a higher standard as Godly Servants. Though much fruit has indeed come out of the ministry of 2 Pres under his watch, Rev. Pierce's apparant lack of attention to the needs of his wife and his children has resulted in tragic results. If the leaders in our communities are held in "true" accountable relationships - at the corporate levels, in our churches and in our homes - it is guaranteed to foster nurturing family relationships. Perhaps then we'll be less likely to look past our own family for love and support. Rev. Deckert was quoted as saying, "Nobody is in a position to point fingers." Christians experience the grace that saves us from sin. Let's not forget, however, this same God who wants nothing but relationship with Him has provided clear directives for those who are in church leadership - accountable directives. Ultimately, do our public and private lives cause others to believe? "

WHAT? wrote on Jul 12, 2006 8:33 AM:

" Whatever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty? "

Bret Reinthaler wrote on Jul 12, 2006 12:15 AM:

" Along with the other members of 2PC, I was dismayed/hurt/shocked/saddened/surprised, name the emotion, when I heard the story on WJBC. I immediately called WJBC to express my displeasure at the story. Is it news? Yeah, it is. My complaint to WJBC was the treatment of the information. At least the Pantagraph shared a bit of the positive things Ted has done for our church and this community. To the writer who wondered how homeless people would be treated in the church, come on down and learn about Compassion Center. Ted provided this vision and many people in the community worked together and helped create this mission. Would it have happened without Ted? I doubt it. Feeding the neighborhood kids? Opening the church to community groups? Challenging our thinking, our mission, our purpose? Ted led us in new directions and we are better for it. The hurt we share with Ted, Laura, and their children is beyond comprehension. Ted will be responsible for his actions. If he's found guilty in a court of law, he will pay the consequences. We are grieving, we are all imperfect. We have wonderful leaders and an incredible staff who will help see us through. "

Seriously? wrote on Jul 11, 2006 10:33 PM:

" "These things happen to people"? The charges are very serious and not to be taken lightly. Things like this don't just happen. Brushing them off with a comment like that is insulting. "

Cindy wrote on Jul 11, 2006 9:40 PM:

" To "Gay on the Brain?", try getting a life and think about other people for a change. Open your eyes and try to be accepting. Just try. If you were a homosexual would you want the world to shame you? "

Natasha wrote on Jul 11, 2006 9:35 PM:

" To "I am so sorry" thank you so much for actually seeing the other side of this story. It's about time people think about other people- not just the wife. Personally I think this is a tragic event and will keep the Reverand and Ms. Laura Pierce in my prayers. "

Do you know anything at all about Jesus? wrote on Jul 11, 2006 9:30 PM:

" "TO:Compassion for all wrote on July 11, 2006 8:39 PM: "To add to your train of thought. The huge expenses of building "Their" huge fancy church could have gone to helping others. Would Jesus be pleased to find out they squandered millions for a place for "Them" to congregate. I think the only time in the bible where he was angry was over money and organized religion. Think about it. "" Gee... I guess Jesus wouldn't like to support local tradesmen and craftsmen like oh, I don't know.. carpenters? For these craftsmen, this is a great opportunity to work on a structure that will hopefully last a century and be used by tens of thousands in that time. I guess you think we should let them and their families go without work and become homeless before we help them? "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime." A suggestion, if you are able: first think, then type!!! "

Agree w/ Chicken wrote on Jul 11, 2006 9:12 PM:

" I totally agree with "Chicken" what self respecting guy would high tail it out the back door!! what a scaredy cat! I think the preacher's wife should open her eyes and see who she is trading the preacher for!!! "

Lady wrote on Jul 11, 2006 8:57 PM:

" And you know who hurts more over this situation ------- Our Lord and Savior ----- "

Aenonymus@yahoo.com wrote on Jul 11, 2006 8:46 PM:

" Out of a desire for integrity and for the benefit of their readers, most publications have rules of disclosure pertaining to content generated by those in their employ: are Pantagraph employees required to identify themselves in comments, letters to the editor, and forum posts even when doing so from their personal e-mail address on their own time? If not why not? If so, what happens to those who do not identify themselves? It is obvious that there are plenty to be found here...unless you are naive enough to believe these commentors are random readers who honestly have nothing better to do with their time than to apologize for the Pantagraph in every comment section under every article and in every forum! "

TO:Compassion for all wrote on Jul 11, 2006 8:39 PM:

" To add to your train of thought. The huge expenses of building "Their" huge fancy church could have gone to helping others. Would Jesus be pleased to find out they squandered millions for a place for "Them" to congregate. I think the only time in the bible where he was angry was over money and organized religion. Think about it. "

Gay on the brain? wrote on Jul 11, 2006 8:35 PM:

" For those of you who find a connection between this article and gay marriage: the only connection is that this page is currently vying for space with the smut on your computer!!! With all of the juvenile comments made here on this unrelated topic, it is obvious to normal citizens that those supporting gay marriage are incapable of the responsibility of marriage or any other part of civic life... "

Aenonymus@yahoo.com wrote on Jul 11, 2006 8:27 PM:

" "to:Another 2PC member wrote on July 10, 2006 10:50 PM: "I wonder how people a 2nd pres would act if about 10 homless people showed up at their church and sat down in the front? "" Have you ever heard of the Compassion Center (for the homeless), located IN 2ND PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH? The ignorance of you people would be unbelievable, but it is completely understandable given your source of information! Why did the Pantagraph not edit that comment? 2nd Pres. doesn't deserve the same protection from slanderous comments that the Pantagraph affords to businesses, individuals and anonymous posters? Pantagraph: you either edit or you do not edit; editing only some of the time will get you sued!!! "

Summing it up wrote on Jul 11, 2006 6:53 PM:

" First of all, it's a newspaper. If you don't like it, don't read it. Ditto for the website. Secondly, the Rev. Ted is human. He'd be human as a dentist, a car salesman, a pastor, or yes, even a lawyer (sic). Relax. Wait for the next big story, I promise a new one will come along. Thirdly, a man and a woman can make a very beautiful and sucessful marriage. So can a man and a man... there are no guarentees it's going to work out no matter who's rules you're going by. Quite frankly it's no one's business if it doesn't work out, unless of course, it makes the papers. "

Compassion for all wrote on Jul 11, 2006 6:40 PM:

" Oh, what a sad thing for those involved and the community. When I read this, I thought about the Pastors negative comments about the situation at the Coachman Motel. When I read those comments, I thought: "Well, Pastor, you have a church full of businesspeople, lawyers, movers and shakers. How about helping out the young owner with a business plan and counselling? The same goes for the Pastor of the African-American church just east of the Coachman. How about helping instead of criticizing?" Sad, so sad. I wish the best outcome for all. "

To Sanctity wrote on Jul 11, 2006 6:16 PM:

" Take a look at what "To Great Marriage Example" had to say below. I get a kick how you guys thinks two wrongs make a right. "

to:looking in the mirror wrote on Jul 11, 2006 5:29 PM:

" Finally! I finally agree with someone on this board. There are two sides to every story, and there is always more to the story. I understand what Ted allegedly did was beyond wrong. But, Ted has been made the sole villain, without any one knowing the whole story! And maybe the reason the Defense is not commenting, is because Ted does not want to cause his family any more pain by airing their dirty laundry. Do not judge someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes! God Bless Ted, Laura, and the kids. We are praying for healing for you all. "

Provincial, and WAY behind... wrote on Jul 11, 2006 4:59 PM:

" ...is what many of you in BN are proving to be, as you have on some issues in the past. I'm surprised some of these opinions come from people with computers, whom I thought would be more savvy. OF COURSE the Pantagraph is doing its job! Thanks to Friendly Reader for pointing out that neither the paper nor WJBC, which had the story on the radio MANY hours before you could read it, were making it up. I consider Rev. Ted a friend, one who helped me when I was down. But unfortunately, his story belongs on the front page, just as it would for anyone in his community leadership position. Remember, as Friendly Reader pointed out, this is NOT salacious, NOT gossip, NOT hearsay. It comes from OFFICIAL police reports and court documents. There won't, nor should there, be a "retraction" if he's acquitted. He's accused of several crimes. The paper, radio, and TV will all simply report what he was charged with, and that he was acquitted. I hope he is. We shall see. "

To: Dolittle from Family Member wrote on Jul 11, 2006 4:55 PM:

" Thank you and please continue your powerful prayers...I assure you they are needed. "

Pastor have Problems Too wrote on Jul 11, 2006 4:52 PM:

" One of the main principles of Christianity has always been sanctification, which is the PROCESS of becoming like Christ. One does not arrive at "Christ-like-ness" in a designated number of years, or even after becoming a pastor. It is a long process, promised to involve difficulty and pain. Even though Ted and Laura Pierce are/were leaders within the church does not mean that they are eliminated from that difficult process. Let this be a lesson to us all to pray for and support our pastors and their families on a daily basis. Why do we put sole responsibility on them to solve the congregations problems, but forget that they have them as well. "

Looking in the Mirror wrote on Jul 11, 2006 4:38 PM:

" I think the appropriate response to this article is to turn introspective and remind ourselves that we are all capable of many unimaginable things given the right circumstances and mix-of-emotions. The article states that Laura Pierce allegedly had a date inside, though still Ted Pierce's wife. Years ago she might have deemed an affair unimaginable, but given the right circumstances...one might cheat. Likewise, Ted allegedly held a knife at his wife and threatened to kill. The article notes good character up to this point and many notable efforts at the church. But again, put yourself in a situation where you find the person you have loved for years, and had 2 children with, is with someone else. Given the right circumstances...one might act out in extreme anger. Personally, I have come to the realization that I am not above any of this...and it's for this reason I am a Christian, because I recognize my need for Jesus Christ to provide protection during times of human weakness, and to forgive and restore where I have failed. Ted and Laura along with the rest of us, have a lot to work on. "

Kudos Sanctity wrote on Jul 11, 2006 4:19 PM:

" That may have been the most intelligent comment on this board all day. Well done, Sanctity! "

re: sanctity wrote on Jul 11, 2006 3:26 PM:

" Great call!! Couldn't have been said better.... "

Sanctity wrote on Jul 11, 2006 3:14 PM:

" Many Christians are so worried about the "sanctity of marriage" these days. This proves that heterosexuals do a fine job of ruining the "sanctity" also. "

Dolittle wrote on Jul 11, 2006 3:13 PM:

" For many years before Reverend Ted came to downtown Bloomington, I prayed for this community to somehow find compassion for the homeless people. When a homeless help center was proposed at Bloomington's Second Presbyterian Church, I prayed to give thanks. Then, I prayed for the name of the facility to reflect compassion and dignity. When the name of the center was announced to be the Compassion Center, I prayed again to give thanks. I am glad the paper printed this story, because now I am praying for Rev. Ted, and his family. "

Mary wrote on Jul 11, 2006 3:08 PM:

" This goes to show that many people will hide what goes on in their personal lives. Being a minister doesn't mean your life is perfect; you just have to act that way to maintain that image. "

Galations 6:1-3 wrote on Jul 11, 2006 3:01 PM:

" "Live creatively, friends. If someone falls into sin, forgivingly restore him, saving your critical comments for yourself. You might be needing forgiveness before the day's out. Stoop down and reach out to those who are oppressed. Share their burdens, and so complete Christ's law. If you think you are too good for that, you are badly deceived." (The Message) "

re "prediction" wrote on Jul 11, 2006 2:59 PM:

" That was under the prior administration of Reynard. We have a new states attorney now. It is my understanding that they took a grant that has a condition that they will not force victims in domestic violence cases to come into court if they refuse. "

Ohmigosh!! wrote on Jul 11, 2006 2:29 PM:

" Screech wasn't arrested, was he? I didn't even know he was Christian. "

he'll get off wrote on Jul 11, 2006 1:53 PM:

" I'm sure the defense will say the devil made him do it..... "

To to to Marsh wrote on Jul 11, 2006 1:40 PM:

" Thanks for the clarification. I guess my point is that prosecutors almost always talk about cases -- even if it's simply confirming the basic information. In this case, the prosecutors have done nothing wrong by talking about the alleged incident and charges. "

To Timing wrote on Jul 11, 2006 1:37 PM:

" Again, pay attention to the process. The newspaper reports it when the police reports, court documents and charges are filed. If there's a delay in reporting the coke-snorting incident, it's only because the county government didn't publicly reveal the incident (file a report or charges). They would have been the ones delaying (or hiding) the facts, not the newspaper. "

Homer Simpson wrote on Jul 11, 2006 12:30 PM:

" To: 2PC members. Save me Jebus. Current leader of Church, a moral leader of the community who allegedly choked and threatened to kill his estranged wife. Former leader of Church, was also a moral leader of community, kicked out for having an affair with a married parishioner he was "counseling". Batting 1.000. Who are picking these people??? "

to "to prediction" wrote on Jul 11, 2006 12:20 PM:

" You are correct. The Assistant States Attorney will process crimes as crimes even when witnesses back down. The States Attorney assigns cases to his Assistants in case something gets messed up. If you work at the L&J Center you will get probation or not held responsibility for anything. Complacency, Apathy, Dereliction of Duty, and Carelessness almost cost Olivia Anglin her life and what happened to the Sheriff or any Jail Staff? Nothing! In the Military Leaders are responsible for subordinates, in McLean County it is hide and seek. "

Timing wrote on Jul 11, 2006 12:14 PM:

" This incident occured on June 29, 2006 and hit the Paper Online July 10, 2006. When the County Probation Officer got caught snorting Cocaine in the L&J Center in December 2005 it did not appear in the Pantagraph until May 2006. How come the Law and Justice Crimes are treated differently from the General Public. This man is a minister and his incident hits the paper in 12 days, but if a County Employee is the Daughter of a Judge's Secretary it takes six months. Please, Pantagraph, explain that fairness and accuracy in reporting these to stories. Since you have the censorship power I doubt if this gets posted, too many people would like and answer. "

to prediction wrote on Jul 11, 2006 12:13 PM:

" You need to learn a little more about the law before looking in your crystal ball....The State's Attorney will rarely drop domestic violence charges just because the victim is no longer cooperative. If this were the case can you imagine how many women who were beaten by their spouses would be intimidated into running down an getting the charges dropped. You should do a little more research. "

Duh wrote on Jul 11, 2006 12:08 PM:

" To the peson who wondered why her "date" left...would you want to be cut up by Ted's knife? If he allegedly had a knife, as was reported, would you, as the subject of his frustation, want to stick around to find out what he was going to do with it? "

re: prediction wrote on Jul 11, 2006 11:52 AM:

" That's not how it works. Once the case has been filed, it will go to court. "

Keep REporting Pantagraph wrote on Jul 11, 2006 11:37 AM:

" When news is published in the newspaper it keeps the community informed and keeps the truth of events from being swept under the carpet. Hiding truths promotes foul play and fiction. Who would not be deterred from wrongful behavior knowing it would be known, published and reported? It also serves as a deterrent in society for unethical or illegal behavior. When we stop seeing the truth, we are in big trouble. A person that engages in criminal behavior is a threat to all society, not only the person(s) in the situation they are involved in. Sure, there is hope for people to straighten things out and hope for the best, but ignoring it or covering it up or pretending that it didn't happen doesn't help anyone. Ignoring crime gives it permission to be in existence. "

To to Marsh wrote on Jul 11, 2006 11:35 AM:

" No, they are right in some cases. The Rules of Professional Conduct for attorneys (yes, they actually have them) govern what sort of things an attorney can say to the press. A gag order might affect everyone in the case, but regardless the attorneys and prosecutors are always supposed to follow the rules on trial publicity. But sometimes when they might get their name in the paper they just can't resist. "

Saved by the Bell! wrote on Jul 11, 2006 11:29 AM:

" Is Screech really moving to Normal? I haven't seen anything about that in the Pantagraph. Where will he park if he goes downtown? "

Re. Just Wondering wrote on Jul 11, 2006 11:26 AM:

" Arrested for this or arrested in general? I think you are right that we are seeing more and more pastors arrested. The reason? Less cover up by churches and communities. We do not have the same respect fo clergy that we once had. It is a spining wheel gaining momentum. As more arrests are made and made public we lose more respect for clergy and take them down from the pedestal they were once on. That makes congregations less likely to tolerate such behavior and less likely to sweep it under the carpet. "

Just wondering wrote on Jul 11, 2006 11:16 AM:

" Seems like more and more pastors are always being arrested for this. Or is it just me? "

To Marsh wrote on Jul 11, 2006 11:14 AM:

" That only applies if there's a gag order. Typically, there's not a gag order in cases and prosecutors -- as well as defense attorneys, don't forget -- can say or reveal whatever they feel is prudent or justified. "

Reality Cont. 2 wrote on Jul 11, 2006 11:11 AM:

" Be honest, how many papers would sell if all that was in it was articles about the Grannies group making quilts. Ted and Laura's life is not private. As church leaders they committed to leading 2nd Pres not with their words but with their whole lives. They knowing put themselves in a position for everyone to see their faith in Jesus or their lack of it. Ted and Laura need the loving support of 2nd Pres people. They need friends that love them for the broken human people they are. That was true a year ago and it is true today. But to vililfy the Pantagraph for being what it is, is ridiculous "

Friendly Reader wrote on Jul 11, 2006 11:10 AM:

" Jeepers, folks. The Pantagraph IS doing its job by running this on the front page. This isn't from hearsay or rumormongering. It's from a police report and court documents. If a police report and court documents said a person threatened to blow up a State Farm complex, folks would expect it to be in the paper. The Pantagraph didn't make this stuff up. These aren't whispers. These are formal allegations made by his wife. If you wanna argue whether or not this belonged on Page 1, go ahead. But if you're upset about why or how The Pantagraph reported this, then you don't understand the standards and process that legitimate newspapers use to gather and evaluate their information. "

Reality wrote on Jul 11, 2006 11:10 AM:

" Ok folks, lets get some perspective on this. As a brother in Christ I have nothing but compassion for Ted and Laura and their children. But as any Christian should know by this point is that we are held to a higher standard both by God and by the world because we follow Jesus. Non-Christian's main beef with us is our hypocrasy. Telling them to be good and then not being good ourselves. Cont. "

Marsh wrote on Jul 11, 2006 11:02 AM:

" Isn't there a rule about prosecutors giving information in an ongoing case to the press? "

(About) The Pantagraph wrote on Jul 11, 2006 10:57 AM:

" Just because you don't like the news doesn't mean it is not news. It IS fact that he was arrested. It IS fact that he is on leave from the church. If the defense wanted to say something, they would have. They made the decision not to speak to the paper. Deal with it. "

"Let the Pantagraph do their job?" wrote on Jul 11, 2006 10:32 AM:

" "Let the Pantagraph do their job?" What exactly is their job? To write a front-page story featuring all sorts of salacious, one-sided details that may or may not be true? That's the Pantagraph's job? Should the Pantagraph also write a front-page article if some crazy guy at the mall says the world is going to end on Tuesday? How about a front page article about something somebody heard at bridge club last week about how State Farm is going to buy College Hills Mall or about how Screech from Saved by the Bell is moving to Normal? Surely, that would be the Pantagraph's job, too. If this person is not found guilty, will it be the Pantagraph's job to publish a front-page retraction? Somehow I don't see that happening... "

(About) The Pantagraph wrote on Jul 11, 2006 10:23 AM:

" Can only print what it is told. Defense made the decision not to discuss. So, of course, they can only print the Prosecution side of the case. A local, prominent figure, who we trust around our children, was arrested. Does anyone really think this SHOULDN'T be printed??? "

To 'Brother Wherartthou' wrote on Jul 11, 2006 9:54 AM:

" Good luck with 3rd PC. Humans are sinners. Thank Godness the bible teaches us to give grace as we are given grace. A church without sin would be a church without people. We don't go to church because we are perfect, we go because we are imperfect. 2PC is a place of love, fogiveness, and God. This isn't heaven, it's earth. "

prediction wrote on Jul 11, 2006 9:45 AM:

" A year from now this will be set for trial. The wife/ex-wife will not want to go forward with the case then. And because the states attorneys office does not try any cases when a domestic violence victim refuses to testify they will just dismiss it. "

Former 2PC Member wrote on Jul 11, 2006 9:43 AM:

" To: Don't You Get It? The comment made by Rev. Deckert that "Nobody is in a position to point fingers" implies that the pastor who has been charged is above the law and beyond criticism. Many have ssated that this is untrue even for U.S. Presidents. The Pantagraph did an excellent job of reporting the allegations in a balanced and factual manner. "

Brother Wherartthou wrote on Jul 11, 2006 9:43 AM:

" If this was not reported, many of you whould be screaming COVER-UP. You can't have it both ways, let's not forget, he alegedly held a knife to her and said he was going to kill her. If this happend in the house next to yours, you would want to know about it. I wan't to start a 3rd PC. One without controversy. Who's with me? Come on! "

To forgive is divine wrote on Jul 11, 2006 9:20 AM:

" Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. Galatians 6:1-2 So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. II Corinthians 2:7 Here's your chance, true Christians. Show how the Father forgives through Jesus' blood. This unfortunate mistake can still bring glory to God. Rev. Ted, the Lord can still use you. You can still be a wonderful man of God. "

Kent Dorfman wrote on Jul 11, 2006 8:38 AM:

" Well, it's nice to see the Presbyterians joining the ranks of the Catholics and the whole "Priest sex scandals" in the news. Guess they were jealous. I'm sorry - bad humor. BTW - let the Pantagraph do their job. If you don't like it, don't read it - on line or in print - and shut up. "

To "tell me this" wrote on Jul 11, 2006 8:26 AM:

" I am guessing they reported on it Monday because he was arraigned on Friday. "

food for thought wrote on Jul 11, 2006 7:55 AM:

" I would like to just point out that we have a tendancy to place our pastors alot higher than we should. That is not to say that they aren't worthy of the placement, however, they are looked upon and counted on to be the moral highground and the holiest of men and women within the society. That is a lot of weight to be under. What we need to remember is that pastors are the exact same men and women as all of us. Capable of mistakes, sins, etc. I don't know if he is guilty or not but we can not forget that he is a man who at the time was going through a very emotional situation. "

Learn from the past wrote on Jul 11, 2006 7:39 AM:

" It is interesting a newspaper which reports the fluff of every do-good organization in a 6o-mile radius is criticized for doing its real job. These criticisms are the same ones that arose when Second Pres's former pastor first was caught with his pants down. The Pantagraph was vilified for reporting it and you know what? The congregation buried their collective heads until the pastor sinned again. What is criminal is this congregation's refusal to recognize problems and deal with them. Instead, it's the media's fault. No one takes joy in reporting this kind of story. However, alleged crimes are news. This community has the right to know. "

Fellow Presbyterian wrote on Jul 11, 2006 7:35 AM:

" As a member of another Presbyterian church in the Twin Cities, I have often felt that Second Presbyterian Church receives more attention than the smaller Presbyterian churches in the community. However, I truly wish that this would have never allegedly occurred and will pray for the Second Presbyterian Church congregation, and particularly the Pierce family that God will see each and every one of them through this difficult situation. "

Fellow Presbyterian wrote on Jul 11, 2006 7:16 AM:

Member of 2 PC wrote on Jul 11, 2006 7:00 AM:

" I feel for the family. My family has had similiar situation and know what can happen, it just was not publicized as this and feel for the family having everyone know what is going on. I agree this should have stayed in the criminal records. We have all done wrong, and feel the shame and regret for what has happened to us. Let's not point the finger at the wrong but help guide to get back on the right track so that we learn from out mistakes. "

A Pantagraph Reader wrote on Jul 11, 2006 6:31 AM:

" Ya, the Pantagraph won't print a comment they don't agree with "

Chicken wrote on Jul 11, 2006 5:54 AM:

" I read this article 3 times, Her "date" left through the back door, and left this terrified lady alone to deal with her ex? and with children in the home? I am more disgusted with him than the preacher. "

Shirley J wrote on Jul 11, 2006 3:52 AM:

" I am shocked. "

tell me this wrote on Jul 10, 2006 11:39 PM:

" Why did it take the pantagraph so long to reveal this story? "

Go Get Real Folks! from Frodo Baggins wrote on Jul 10, 2006 11:36 PM:

" Of all the comments made so far everyone should take the time to read and reread Get Real Folks!... he hit the nail on the head in each well worded statement... The Pantagraph did the right thing and if you disagree you should examine your lack of objectivity and reconsider your priorities in life. "

to:Another 2PC member wrote on Jul 10, 2006 10:50 PM:

" I wonder how people a 2nd pres would act if about 10 homless people showed up at their church and sat down in the front? "

Friendly Reader wrote on Jul 10, 2006 10:43 PM:

" To 'saddened': sorry, but you're not gonna put the pantagraph out of business. it's been around for more than 150 years. i'm sure you don't mind when they print stories about abusive priests, do you. To 'Second Pres' member: The Pantagraph gave the Rev. Ted a chance to tell his side of the story. He (and his lawyer) chose not to. If this ain't a front-page story in a town of 100,000, I don't know what is. Rev. Ted is a spiritual and community leader. When supposedly good people do allegedly bad things, we call that news. "

Pantagraph can't win wrote on Jul 10, 2006 10:40 PM:

" It seems to me that if they didn't report on it people would be complaining that they report on others and why didn't they report on this? Nice to see they didn't show any favors to people because of their status. "

2PC member 2 wrote on Jul 10, 2006 10:29 PM:

" I think now is the time for us to show the Pierce's and our Church the true meaning of God's forgiveness and Grace. Understand, we can forgive, without condoning. And I am so happy to read "another 2PC member" comments. We are a wonderful loving Church. And a lot of that is due to the Pierce's. We can not let this tragedy keep us from remembering all the wonderful things they have brought to our Church and this community! I love you all, Ted, Laura, and the kids! And I love our Church! I will continue to pray for us all. "

NO SURPRISE wrote on Jul 10, 2006 10:05 PM:

" YOU FOLKS ARE FORGETTING THE PANDERGRAPH HAS AN ENDLESS SUPPLY OF PAPER & INK. WE ALL KNOW IF THE SUSPECT IS A RELIGEOUS LEADER, PUBLIC OFFICIAL, OR PROMINENT BUSINESSMAN IT SELLS PAPERS......THAT IS THE BUSINESS THEY ARE IN. WHY ARE SHOCKED AT THE LENGTH OF THE STORY? "

Aenonymus@yahoo.com wrote on Jul 10, 2006 8:46 PM:

" The Pantagraph is part of the Free Press or 4th Estate; it depends on this status for its press credentials that afford access to information and sources to which private citizens with prurient interest or even academic researchers are denied. Perhaps out of respect for its responsibility as part of the state, The Pantagraph has refrained from advocating any particular religion. It would seem disingenuous therefore, for The Pantagraph to set Reverend Pierce up as a moral authority figure in a thinly veiled attempt at constructing a strawman for the purpose of effigy. When any religion (whether Presbyterians, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.) attempt to claim moral authority, the Press does not publicly acknowledge such authority; how can we readers let them pretend to now, merely so that they might publish unsubstantiated gossip with the excuse that higher standards apply to moral authority figures of our community. Either pastors, priests, rabbis, etc. possess this authority and deserve concession of such in print by the Pantagraph all of the time, or they do not and therefore individual churches and their leaders should not be held to different public standards than private organizations and laymen. "

to don't you get it wrote on Jul 10, 2006 8:41 PM:

" yes, Rev. Ted should be a moral leader and IS a community leader, but we must all remember that he is also a MORTAL leader. his mistakes are not unlike anything that could happen to any given person. just because he is a pastor doesn't mean he isn't entitled to be a human. "

Concerned Colleague wrote on Jul 10, 2006 8:32 PM:

" If any of you are believers in Christ, realize that though "MY FRIEND" has been taken in a fall, the church at large is being impacted. How we handle this situation, and make no mistake, we are all involved, will determine how pervasive the church is in this community and others. Galations 6:1-2 addresses this situation very clearly. We must be about reconciliation and healing. 2nd Pres motto of "the heart of Christ in the heart of the community" must now be seen. It's up to us collectively to show it. If that love isn't shown now, why would any believer want to be a part of spiritual hospital that shoots its own wounded. This is an opportunity for the church individual and collective to come together and show the love and forgiveness that each of us need! And Jesus said, "He who is without sin cast the first stone!" "

Been there! wrote on Jul 10, 2006 8:32 PM:

" I know firsthand the effects of the 'media' and how they can magnify the truth of what REALLY happened. I feel for this entire family right now. It is very stressful to have to go through such times enough without the slander of other people ADDING to thier distress! Get a life people and reach out your own hand to a family in need. Perfect people we are not, but God CAN and will have the final say in this matter. I am praying for relief to all involved that the community will surround those involved with LOVE and compassion, not more judgement towards this family - for who are they to judge. God is our JUDGE and HIS GRACE will sustain them through this time. Pray for them - don't judge them! "

Aldo wrote on Jul 10, 2006 8:30 PM:

" Of course Rev. Ted is innocent until proven guilty, but he is a member of the clergy and that's what makes it newsworthy. Hey if he was a catholic priest he wouldn't be in this predictment. "

Another 2PC member wrote on Jul 10, 2006 7:23 PM:

" The author forgot to mention that second pres is a loving, vibrant, supportive, and fun church. We love our church! Our church is doing wonderful things for it's members and the community. Please come and visit us. I wish I had enough space to describe to you all the beautiful relationships that are being formed through this. Our members are forgiving, supportive, and very real while processing these events. I just hate going through this without Ted and Laura. More than anything I just want to hug you both. We love you, miss you, pray for you and our church family. "

A friend wrote on Jul 10, 2006 7:15 PM:

" I am saddend that the Pantagraph would choose to put the Pierce story on the front page. In my mind this is, first of all, a personal issue between Ted and Laura. Obviously it is also a legal issue that deserves just treatment in the judicial system. After that it will be an issue for the congregation of Second Presbyterian to address. But what I believe most of all is that Jesus would not turn his back on Laura, Ted or the children in their time of struggle. I will not either. You are all in my prayers. "

Get real folks! wrote on Jul 10, 2006 7:13 PM:

" The Pantagraph made the right decision on this to display it as big news. Yes, a domestic dispute is not something that typically warrants the front page but a minister of the Lord allegedly holding anyone, let alone his wife, at knifepoint IS big news. It's more newsworthy than the proverbial man bites dog story. If I belonged to that church I would of course be ashamed to see it in the headlines, but I wouldn't be surprised. I do pray for all those involved and hope that in the end, justice will be correctly served. "

Don't you get it wrote on Jul 10, 2006 7:07 PM:

" Don't you get it? Rev. Ted should be a moral leader, a community leader. While he is innocent until proven guilty, obviouisly this is not the moral leadership needed in a large church and community. "

Weird wrote on Jul 10, 2006 7:07 PM:

" Hey, way to go using this sad event as a chance for you to spout off on your theories about gay marriage! You all win the weirdo award! "

Sad To Say wrote on Jul 10, 2006 7:02 PM:

" I hate to say it, but this IS news. A public figure has been charged with a serious crime. Of course the paper will report it, as will every area TV/radio station. Sure it's not the same old "lack of downtown parking" story or 15 part Abraham Lincoln retrospective that the Pantagraph USUALLY likes to print, but it's news nonetheless, so don't get upset that it's on the front page. "

To Great Marriage Example wrote on Jul 10, 2006 6:59 PM:

" Sorry, the fact that some heterosexual couples break their marriages doesn't make it acceptable in God's eyes for all homosexuals to be allowed to form homosexual unions. "

To Member of 2PC from Legrone: wrote on Jul 10, 2006 6:56 PM:

" Thank you for your genuine response to my comments. I found your comments to be one of the only "true christian" responses to any of these tragedies. I may not share in the same belief as most, but I share in the compassion for this couple, their children, family, friends and congregation. I also share in the those feelings for Legrone, Hamm, the three children, their extended family and friends. Too often, we judge without knowing the facts or the people involved. The media should take a hit. However, neither should the minister, police officer or probation officer accused of crimes be placed in a better or worse position in the press than anyone else, but they are. Sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. I thank you for your thoughfulness. "

Great Marriage Example wrote on Jul 10, 2006 6:42 PM:

" Oh well one of those finer marriages sanctified by the church and state. Heaven forbid Steve and Larry marry. Steve punching Larry out doesn't make headlines, just when they want to get married. Your right his God is there for him for sinning but not for Steve and Larry or Jane and Ruth. "

member of 2PC wrote on Jul 10, 2006 6:33 PM:

" As a member of the congregation, I must say to "Legrone" that we are praying just as much for Laura as we are for Ted. The congregation is in no way seeking to take sides. Instead, we are approaching the situation with our humble attempts at a Christ-like attitude. We are neither condoning nor agreeing with the act, but believe wholeheartedly in the compassion and mercy of God on his children (even Ted) when they stumble. We are in deep grief and in constant supplication for Rev Ted and Laura, and their two children. "

saddened wrote on Jul 10, 2006 6:30 PM:

" Not only should we as a community be saddened by the personal tragedy the Pierce family has to endure, but also by the fact that our local paper has the audacity to publish this article on the front page. This community deserves more respect than what the Pantagraph currently offers. Its only a matter of time before we all band together to put this paper out of business. "

Member of Second Pres wrote on Jul 10, 2006 6:22 PM:

" As always, the Pantagraph published the prosecutor's side before finding out the defense's side. No one but Rev. Ted and Laura knows what really went on. Our Chruch loves Rev. Ted and Laura and prays for them both. No one here is pointing fingers. This should not have been put on the front page. This article should have been treated like all other assault charges and put in the court notes in the back sections of the Pantagraph. The press has tried Rev. Ted without a hearing. Let us all pray for the Pierce family. "

To Gospel Section and Agree wrote on Jul 10, 2006 6:17 PM:

" I guess the difference in this case is that the alleged perpetrator is a prominent member of the community and a member of clergy. I guess a better example would be the police officer who's being investigated for alleged home invasions...it�s their prominence in the community that makes this story more news worthy. Why do you think this should not be reported? Do you think the scandalous stories involving priests in the Catholic Church should be overlooked too? "

agree wrote on Jul 10, 2006 5:56 PM:

" I agree this really should not have been put in the paper but there is no way it should be "looked over" he needs to go into a court, answer the charges and be treated like any other person in this position. "

Chelly wrote on Jul 10, 2006 5:54 PM:

" What a sad day for their 2 children. To know their parents are having issues and have separated and now to see Mom and Dad's dirty laundry all over the Pantagraph. Who knows what they knew about the incident I would say a lot more now. I dont agree with what he is alleged of doing. I feel it is wrong. As a Presbyterian all I can really do now is pray for all involved. It is not my place to judge at this time as we dont have all the facts in the case. This is not supporting Ted or his wife. Just stating that for the sake of their 2 kids we should be midful of what we say. "

Prayerful one... wrote on Jul 10, 2006 5:42 PM:

" What an excellent point you made Gossip Section...if this had been any other family, it surely wouldn't get front page attention. It breaks my heart that this family is going through such difficult times and it is even more horrifying that they can not deal with these matters in private. Ted and Laura and their children are in my prayers! "

Is there a Gossip Section now? wrote on Jul 10, 2006 4:47 PM:

" The Pantagraph should be embarrassed to publish an article of this length and prominent placement with this amount of unsubstantiated detail. As troubling and sad as these charges are, this kind of incident happens with some unfortunate regularity in the community and typically shows up as a paragraph in the police blotter. This time, the Pantagraph gives it the front page treatment. Why? To sell papers and get tongues wagging. Shame on the Pantagraph for shamelessly capitalizing on this most personal and private of disasters. "

KG wrote on Jul 10, 2006 4:46 PM:

" Say it ain't so Rev,,say it aint so! "

Good point wrote on Jul 10, 2006 4:38 PM:

" Not to pile on 2nd Pres, but they do seem to have more than their share of pastoral "issues". "

Legrone wrote on Jul 10, 2006 4:38 PM:

" I may be overstepping my bounds by answering for slantagraph, but I believe that he/she may have written comments about how quickly this newspaper is to cover other cases with nothing but negativity, but this case is a "no one can point fingers". . . I believe his previous comments may not have been posted.... (his/her point)..But I did notice that everyone is behind the minister, but no mention of support of the wife (victim) This would've rated and attempted murder/home invasion if it were someone else. Slantagraph -- I'm with ya. "

overlooked? wrote on Jul 10, 2006 4:36 PM:

" To "I am so sorry": you said, "I feel this can be over looked...". He allegedly choked and threatened to kill his estranged wife. She claims "Ted Pierce then held a knife to Laura Pierce and said he was going to kill her if she didn�t confess by the time he finished counting to three, according to court records. "Laura Pierce suffered several scratches and wounds from the knife as she pushed it away from her body. Those wounds led to the charge of aggravated battery. "She told officers that Ted Pierce applied a lot of pressure when he grabbed her by the neck and that she had trouble breathing." If this gets to court, should the judge "overlook" these allegations? "

a few years ago wrote on Jul 10, 2006 4:33 PM:

" Wasn't the pastor at 2nd Pres in like 1999 kicked out for having an affair with a married parishioner he was "counseling"? "

To Hey wrote on Jul 10, 2006 4:28 PM:

" what does Lagrone have to do with this???????? "

Fachna wrote on Jul 10, 2006 4:27 PM:

" Poor 2nd Pres has been having a run of bad pastoral luck lately, more than its share. People have a poor appreciation of the stresses and pressures of expectation with which the clergy so often live. "

Hey "to slantagraph" wrote on Jul 10, 2006 4:21 PM:

" Remember, LaGrone was tried and convicted of the crime. "

Anna wrote on Jul 10, 2006 4:12 PM:

" Well, that goes to show that none of us are perfect!!!!! "

Kyle Schiebel- Pantagraph.com staff wrote on Jul 10, 2006 4:06 PM:

" As a reminder, comments submitted for stories on the pantagraph.com must comply to certain restrictions in order to be posted. For crime-related stories, remember that suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law; we will not post comments implying the guilt of any specific suspect who has not been convicted of the crime in question. "

to slantagraph... wrote on Jul 10, 2006 4:01 PM:

" are my comments not nice enough for you.....don't see any of this sensorship in the Lagrone article though.... "

I am so sorry wrote on Jul 10, 2006 3:59 PM:

" I am so sorry to hear about this. I used to go to Second Pres until I moved. My boys looked up to Rev Ted. He was always so caring and loving to all the children in the church. I hope he can seek the help he needs and get back to the church as soon as he can. I feel that this can be over looked and things will get back to normal with some help. Rev Ted, you are in my prayers and I hope nothing but the best for you and your family. Just remeber that God is there for you even when it feels like he has left us. "

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