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Voters said no but school officials not giving up
By Connie Seastedt
seastedfamily@yahoo.com
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STANFORD - Olympia school district voters said "no" to tax rate increases in 2003 and 2004, but school officials say they are optimistic voters will say "yes" in April.

The district will do a better job of selling the two referendum questions this time, Superintendent Donald Hahn said. The key selling point: The $12.5 million for school construction and a separate rate increase for education programs won't actually increase a homeowner's tax bill.

"This referendum is really a winning situation because we are not going to be raising taxes, but get to make our services and buildings better," said Hahn. "We have a unique window of opportunity to be able to do this without having to raise taxes."

The April 2007 referendum will have two questions, asking for a total tax rate increase of $1 per $100 equalized assessed valuation, Hahn said.

Existing bonds will be paid off in 2008 and 2009, which will offset the tax increase sought in the referendums, he said.

One referendum will ask voters to let the district issue $12.5 million in bonds for construction, including a new Olympia North Elementary School in Danvers. That would carry a rate increase of 50 cents per $100 EAV.

The other referendum would seek an increase of 50 cents per $100 EAV for the education fund, which pays for most operating expenses. The education rate would increase from $2.40 per $100 EAV to $2.90 per $100 EAV.

"We basically now are offering the chance to greatly improve our services and buildings without raising taxes," said Hahn. "We're all pretty optimistic that this time the referendum will pass."

The district saw its 2003 and 2004 attempts at tax rate increases fail, leading to budget cuts and fee increases to close a $3.9 million spending gap in 2004. The cuts included closing elementary schools in Hopedale, McLean and Stanford.

Hahn said the previous referendums were simply a bad sell because they basically gave taxpayers two options: approve a tax increase of $1.05 per $100 EAV or see a reduction in schools.

Hahn said the district has laid the groundwork for a different outcome this time. That includes having a series of public meetings at which residents tour the buildings and offer opinions to the architects planning the project.

"We've really been working on this since our last referendum failed, and last fall got really involved with it, including having three retreats that led us to June, when we hired the architects for the project," said Hahn. "We're really putting things in motion now through the meetings to get the word out."

Failure this time could mean mobile classrooms and larger class sizes, he said.

"If the referendum doesn't pass that will mean problems because we need it for our buildings," said Hahn. "We will face some life safety issues if changes aren't made.

"We need to be proactive rather than reactive."



What $1 buys

If Olympia school district voters in April approve the tax rate increase of $1 per $100 equalized assessed valuation, following are some of the areas where the money will be spent.

Construction

-- $12.5 million in bonds would pay for a new Olympia North Elementary School in Danvers and upgrading Olympia South in Atlanta, Olympia West in Minier and Olympia High School and Middle School in Stanford.

Programs

-- Restoring full-day kindergarten

-- Hiring additional teachers and/or aides

-- Cutting extracurricular fees

-- Restoring freshmen athletics and the athletic trainer

-- Rebuilding the education fund reserve

-- Moving the sixth grade to Olympia Middle School

-- Providing remediation programs

-- Establishing a technology fund

-- Expanding elementary music to 25 minutes twice a week

-- Replacing losses in federal and state professional development funding

-- Restoring health services.

-- Restoring Olympia Middle School guidance counseling

-- Making the business manager full time

-- Eliminating the student parking fee.

SOURCE: Olympia school district

Compiled by Connie Seastedt

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The Simple Truth. wrote on Nov 8, 2006 9:20 AM:

" I love cottage cheese with tomato and pepper! Mmmmm "

To: 12:11 PM Responder of Half- vs. Full-Day K wrote on Nov 7, 2006 2:37 PM:

" Actually, the initial responder is correct and you must have misread the post. The poster did not say schools had to offer K, only that if they offer full-day K, they must also offer half-day K. The source for that is IL P.A. 84‑1308. If you read IL School Law you will find K addressed in 105 ILCS 5/10‑22.18. The law specifically states: "If the (school board) establishes full‑day kindergarten, it shall also establish half‑day kindergarten." In fact, Olympia policy used to say that it would offer full-day K...but...Hahn helped get that policy changed. "

To Kindergarten-full day vs. half day wrote on Nov 6, 2006 12:11 PM:

" There is no law in the state of Illinois that requires schools to even offer kindergarten. All that is required is 1-12! "

Kindergarten-full day vs. half day wrote on Oct 31, 2006 4:41 PM:

" If a school offers full day kindergarten, they MUST offer half-day kindergarten as an option. The parents can then decide what is best for their child and their family. We should at least have the choice. For me, it is not a babysitter (since my son will not go to a babsitter with full day or half day), but a source of education for my child. Full day learning is much, much better then half day. "

Anti-Pundit wrote on Oct 31, 2006 7:50 AM:

" I still prefer half day kindergarden. Where I live, there are a lot of children that would not be able to go to kindergarten if it was only full day. There are way more kids than seats available. By having half day's the majority of the kids are able to attend. My daughter goes to the afternoon session of kindergarten. But, I agree with the To: Anti-Pundit poster, our youngest should get the best possible education. They are the future. "

To: Anti-Pundit wrote on Oct 30, 2006 3:35 PM:

" I agree with most of your comments except your objection against full-day kindergarten. When you take into account the cost of transporting the K's home, I do not believe that the incremental cost of providing full-day kindergarten vs. half-day kindergarten to children is sufficient to warrant not providing that service to the young children of our district. Although transportation costs may be reimbursed "by the state", as opposed to being totally funded by our local tax dollar -- WE are PART of the state and those funds that are used for reimbursement are part of OUR total tax dollar. I support public education for PK-12 -- I think the public education systems are in the best positions to monitor that our children receive a quality education. I think that to deny our youngest children (aged 2-6) the benefits of the best possible education is to not provide for them at an age when their brains are learning more language, problem solving, and abstract thinking processes than they will at any other stage of their lives. "

Anti-Pundit wrote on Oct 30, 2006 12:42 PM:

" Ok, I can see a half-day kindergarten (what my kids go to), but not full day (making the school a baby sitter). Extra (needed) teachers would be good (not coaches but usefull teachers). Let the kids pay extra Curricular fees (to many jocks get a free ride anyway). Expand Music, health services, and guidence counceling. Pretty much everything else is not needed. - Sorry, but if you can afford a car (or mommy and daddy can), you can afford the fees. If the rate was for only .25 cents (and for items actually needed) , I would vote yes, otherwise I am VOTING NO. "

To: Get This wrote on Oct 30, 2006 12:25 PM:

" I am not at all surprised...but I don't really blame the school board as much as the administration for mismangement of individual positions. I blame the school board for not providing adequate oversight of the administration. Unfortunately, I imagine some them must be conservatives and afraid of the necessary confrontation it will take in order to improve our District. "

OLY Board - You Listening? wrote on Oct 30, 2006 12:02 PM:

" Has anyone noticed that the TOP TWO commented stories are this one (with 125 comments) and the story "Judge hears Vision 25's Appeal (with 103) - in the ENTIRE Pantagraph list. Being I'm from Minier, (and basically For the referendum), I'll make this comment to Haun and the Board. "If these stories are any indication of how people are going to vote, you better plan on the referendum going down in flames". "

Danvers Resident wrote on Oct 30, 2006 11:37 AM:

" I am voting "No" also! "

Get This wrote on Oct 30, 2006 6:47 AM:

" I heard over the weekend that to hire the new HS boys basketball coach, the school board had to create a position as full time sub!!! Because of state laws, this "Sub" will be paid a full teaching salary!! Another great example of horrible financial management and mismanagement by our school board! "

Yada Yada??? wrote on Oct 29, 2006 1:20 PM:

" They seem confident because that's how far out of touch with reality they are. Your proposal will happen when pigs fly. "

YadaYada wrote on Oct 29, 2006 9:39 AM:

" Right up front, I have no property in Olympia School District, so I have nothing financially at stake here and my recommendation may mean very little to those who do. But, school officials seem confident voters will eventually approve recommended increases because their proffer is a win-win situation. $1 increase per $100 assessment seems like a lot of money to me. So, if school officials persist in their quest to make recommended changes purportedly in the best interests of the students, then those same school officials should stand behind their recommendations by sacrificing by the same degree as the taxpayers. If the cost of the newly proposed initiatives cost an average of $1,000 more per taxpayer, then it is only fair that school officials sacrifice $1,000 per year less remuneration per year; also cap salaries, COLAs and benefits at their newly revised level. A clause in contracts should reflect that there shall be no further increases in remuneration or benefits without approval of a specific referendum to do so. If school officials agree to sacrifice by the same degree as taxpayers, then OSD truly has a win-win scenario. "

To: Let's Hear the Excuses wrote on Oct 28, 2006 8:30 AM:

" You are so right about what kind of home you can have in the Clinton School District and still be able to afford the annual taxes! I looked up a few properties on the DeWitt County website and was amazed at how low the Clinton School District's total rate on their EAV actually is! PLUS...it certainly didn't seem to me that the EAVs for the homes I was looking up were truly stated at 1/3 of their FMV!! I thought that the Clinton District had lost some of it's strength because of less money coming from the Power Plant -- but perhaps I'm wrong and that is still their big ole cash cow. "

lets here the excuses , (come on) wrote on Oct 28, 2006 4:27 AM:

" Some friends live in the country . They live on the east side of the road there neighbor lives directly across the road . my friend is in the "oly" district , thier neighbors are in the Clinton (?) district . The neighbor has a pond and a very nice yard area in back of thier house , and pay 2/3 less in property taxes per year . "

Don Hahn -- Best Super?? wrote on Oct 27, 2006 8:43 PM:

" Uhh....I have to disagree with that one, but if I stated why I think that, the Pantagraph probably wouldn't print it.... Now, why is it you that he is so great, Danvers Parent? Higher test scores? A more unified district? Please give facts. "

To anyone else notice wrote on Oct 27, 2006 7:21 PM:

" What I noticed is you talking about the worst school district in Illinois. District 87. My children do not attend the Olympia Schools and it has always been clear that in spite of this useless board, the Oly School District is one of the best in central Illinois. Why dont you try kissing up once again to Unit 5 and see if they will bail you out at 87? Then you will get the only press you deserve. "

We have a board wrote on Oct 27, 2006 5:49 PM:

" I will never understand Hopedale. You guys have the opportunity to vote for you're board members and yet you still cry. We have perhaps the greatest board in the history of the district right now! And yes Don Hahn is the best super we have had to date. These individuals have been faced with things that no previous board had to deal with, such as self serving communities like yours! If you think you can do better then run! Otherwise quit trying to brain wash the rest of the district as you have been! Oly the dream is alive and well, and despite your desperate attempts to detach you will lose! GO OLY and vote YES for the referendum! Danvers parent. "

A New Board wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:56 PM:

" Is our only answer. It's a shame that the structure of the school board doesn't automatically call for two members from each of the communities. "

Better? wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:15 PM:

" To: Bigger = Better? I agree that bigger does not always equal better. However, in the case of Olympia Elementary Schools, I think bigger (i.e. ONE school) could equal better if there were more uniformly sized classrooms, more administrative control over curriculum content, more opportunities for collaboration among teachers of individual grade levels, and a concerted effort by administration to involve parents, grandparents, and other community members in the activities of the school. The last few years appear to have been a cruel "told-you-so" by our current school board and administration in all of those regards and, unfortunately, our children took the brunt of their vindictiveness. I don’t care how well our auditors report we have done financially…I am very angry about the lack of quality educational opportunities in some of the individual elementary schools in this district. More money through a higher tax RATE is NOT the start of an answer for the woes of this district – a new school board and administration IS. "

bigger = better ? wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:33 PM:

" In most cases the bigger the building the smaller the voice of the parent (to be heard) . "

Be Real wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:38 AM:

" It amazes me that supporters will wrap their arms around education as the driving force behind this. I see on the grand wish list that sports and other extra-curricular activities are what the true beneficiaries will be. On that basis I strongly say NO. f you want and will guarantee 100% of the tax will go for education (Classroom) and not to funding extra-curricular activities, then I will listen. I appreciate and value sports, but it is about time we stop having a sport to cater to every fringe group. "

It's time... wrote on Oct 26, 2006 9:15 PM:

" It's time for the Pantagraph to end this. The more people from Danvers post, the more apparent it is they are better than everyone else. They should have their own school, far away from anyone else and fund it themselves. Vote NO!!!! Pull the plug on this one, editor. "

Danvers Enrollment wrote on Oct 26, 2006 8:49 PM:

" One of the problems with the Danvers enrollment prior to Stanford children being so kindly taken into their building ("We already have Stanford kids in our building, we do not want to mix the Armington, Hopedale and Minier kids as well!"?????) -- they did NOT have enough students to warrant 2 sections per grade level, but they had too many students for one section. Danvers has always been a drain on the resources of Olympia School District. "

Transportation wrote on Oct 26, 2006 8:32 PM:

" Transportation costs are paid from our total tax dollar (state, federal, & local) and I would like to see a more efficient use of our transportation dollar. I was appalled to learn that because of the different end times for elementary and middle/high school students, some rural bus routes are actually run twice to take students home in the afternoon! I think it makes more sense to fill all busses with students and take them directly to a central site. If we eliminated all of the elementary schools in these little towns, there would be no more need for the rural bus routes to take such a long route getting to “Olympia”. "

Just a Thought wrote on Oct 26, 2006 8:28 PM:

" I would like to have one elementary school where there can be more administrative control over the curriculum. After reading some of these posts, I am acutely aware of the need to teach ALL children to spell, use proper grammar, and proof-read what they write! (“Whom” paid for YOUR education?) "

TO: Guess What reply wrote on Oct 26, 2006 4:19 PM:

" To guess what wrote on October 26, 2006 1:13 PM: "I don't have any kids in the district and I'm tired of paying for yours. " WOW! How self centered can one be. Whom paid for your education? Hopefully you are childless. While it may not be your personal priority, the education of the populace should be a common goal. An educated society provides for a better future for ourselves and our communities. Without education, no computer would have been invented for you to complain upon, or vehicle for you to drive to the grocery store, or .... Be thankful that someone in the past was not as shortsighted as you and paid for our local schools! "

to October 26, 2006 1:13 PM wrote on Oct 26, 2006 3:32 PM:

" Its people like you that will ruin this referendum for our kids! I would be totally against bussing my kids to Stanford when they can stay right here in Danvers. It makes more sense to bus the smaller enrollments than to bus the bigger! Not to mention I am not real keen on mixing to many towns together in one building at such a young age. Children are very influential and could be taught things they should not know! I would prefer to keep the Danvers kids right where they are! Vote YES! Danvers parent "

Once again wrote on Oct 26, 2006 3:23 PM:

" Why are you guys so jealous of Danvers getting this new school? The board has one proposal and that is build a new building in Danvers and improve the other two! It is not going to change, at least I hope not. It is important for Danvers to maintain its chool to bring in young parents to keep enrollment growing. We already have Stanford kids in our building, we do not want to mix the Armington, Hopedale and Minier kids as well! Our enrollment alone merits us to have our own school. Please vote yes for this referndum and help our kids too have a brighter education. Do not listen to the people from Hopedale who are trying so desparetly to ruin this for our kids! VOTE YES AND SHOW SOME OLY PRIDE! "

ALL Olympia Children wrote on Oct 26, 2006 2:39 PM:

" Danvers is so far from being a "city" (again, I refer to the sales tax revenues), it isn't even funny. I truly feel that Atlanta and McLean fall more into the city category because at least they have commercial EAV and sales tax revenue from outsiders. As opposed to the posters from Danvers, I am concerned about the educations of ALL Olympia elementary children and I see a need for ALL children to be in one new building with large classrooms, certified teachers, and equal class sizes. This business of having 25-30 students per K-3 in one school and 18-22 students per K-3 in another is simply NOT FAIR TO ALL KIDS!! If ALL students were in ONE building, class sizes per grade level could be evenly distributed and students could be taught by certified teachers "

Wow wrote on Oct 26, 2006 2:38 PM:

" Danvers will definitely have their new elementary school funded by the taxpayers of the Olympia School District? Hmmm.... A little self-serving?? It seems to me that if an entirely new building for Danvers was on the list of approved life/safety projects, the board wouldn't even be trying to pass a referendum. However, you missed the point, GUESS WHAT. No one has attacked you for "being honest". If you are the same poster as the one who suggested the relatively low EAV of Danvers was posted by someone from Hopedale...you are just being attacked because you are WRONG! "

To guess what wrote on Oct 26, 2006 1:13 PM:

" I don't have any kids in the district and I'm tired of paying for yours. "

to"guess what" wrote on Oct 26, 2006 1:11 PM:

" Your facts are not correct - the Olympia District is comprised of EIGHT towns - only three of which currently have grade schools. An EQUITABLE solution would be one grade school at the campus site. "

Guess what wrote on Oct 26, 2006 12:34 PM:

" Those of you that have attacked me for being honest, shame on you. We will get our new school in Danvers as we should have! The board is right for their decision! Even if you vote no, (you do not care about your kids education), the board will float a safety bond and get the building done! I am sorry that you feel left out and not favored, but the fact is that every town in this district has gotten either a new building or renovation since Olympia was formed with the exception of Danvers! Show how much you care about your childrens future and education, VOTE YES! "

West Bloomington wrote on Oct 26, 2006 11:55 AM:

" I believe the consultant projections for population growth in Danvers were dependent upon continued growth on the West side of Bloomington. I wondered if those consultants talked with any out-of-work Mitsubishi employees. "

To: Teacher 1 wrote on Oct 26, 2006 11:48 AM:

" I do understand "Equalized Assessed Valuation Bonded Debt Budget." However, you also hit my pet peeve button when you used the term "your" when you obviously meant "you're" (you are). PLEASE...ask the Supt. for a Professional Development Grammar Class and ATTEND!! It makes me sick when I think about my grandchildren being exposed to teachers who misuse COMMON words/phrases! Oh, by the way, Spell-Check won't catch your/you're ERRORS. "

Teacher1 wrote on Oct 26, 2006 11:08 AM:

" Words/Phrases that Olympia residents need to lean: Equalized Assessed Valuation Bonded Debt Budget (as opposed to annual financial report) etc. etc. If your wondering what these mean that is the biggest problem in this scenario. BTW - the Superitendant does understand these phrases.----- That is why he and other Supts. are hired "

To Danvers wrote on Oct 26, 2006 10:43 AM:

" If, in 15 years as you say, Danvers will make up 80% of the enrollment, will Danvers fund 80% of Olympia? Danvers is nothing more than West Bloomington. Don't expect the rest of the district to fund your future. "

to "wrong?" wrote on Oct 26, 2006 10:13 AM:

" No you are not wrong to support your community - it is just that some of us view "community" differently. If our 8 little towns could ever quit squabbling, then there could be an "Olympia" community. Until everyone recognizes that together we are stronger than the parts, we will never flourish, either as a school district, or as a community. "

LOL! To: "To Still Fuming..." wrote on Oct 26, 2006 9:23 AM:

" No, what you don't see is that by being judgmental and erroneously assuming that all of the posts on here that are against the taxpayers of the Olympia School District funding a new school for Danvers have been written by Hopedale residents (I am NOT from Hopedale), you have greatly diminished your credibility. A city atmosphere? In Danvers? You have GOT to be kidding! Thanks for making me laugh though. At best you are a subdivision of Bloomington-Normal and guess what...every subdivision does NOT necessarily warrant its own elementary school....especially a subdivision with a total EAV as low as the one in Danvers. With their proximity to an Interstate, both Atlanta and McLean have a better chance of being called a "city" than Danvers! Uhh…what are the sales tax revenues in the CITY of Danvers? "

to Still fuming about Danvers Poster wrote on Oct 26, 2006 8:07 AM:

" Sorry that you do not like my posting! I did not post to make you happy. I posted to tell you what you already know. Danvers is the only town with a city atmosphere. I do not mean to degrade the other towns but it is true. We present a true balance to this district. The other towns in this district are dying, while Danvers continues to thrive. You can not blame Olympia for taking care of its growing community! 15 years from now Danvers will make up over 80% of the student enrollment at Oly all by itself. If you can not see this then you Hopelessdale fools will never learn! "

wrong? wrote on Oct 26, 2006 7:34 AM:

" If it's wrong to care about my community and it's well-being, then I guess I'm wrong. I thougth it was a duty and responsibility to work hard for one's community, hope for the best for it. Maybe doing so looks selfish to someone in a different community trying to do the same thing for their community. Maybe that's what's wrong with a school district of 8 communities. You can't please everyone and they can't all be served all the time. It's sad how we are tearing each other down. "

Still fuming about Danvers Poster wrote on Oct 25, 2006 2:22 PM:

" I am still fuming that the Danvers poster automatically tried to discount a perfectly reasonable post by connecting it to Hopedale. If someone on the Olympia School Board really did say that Danvers should be given a new school to "save" the east side of the District from Unit 5...I wish that person would pony up the money to pay for that school. As I was driving to work in Bloomington/Normal today, I thought maybe the Olympia District would be a lot better off if the "fat" WAS trimmed from the edges....especially the northwest and northeast sides of this district seem to be a little too intent on milking the rest of us! "

LOL -- NOT a Hopedale person wrote on Oct 25, 2006 2:15 PM:

" To the Danvers person wanting to discount facts by saying they were posted by a Hopedale person. I am not a Hopedale person, but I posted the facts in regard to Danvers and McLean EAV. Someone else asked for the information and I tried to direct them to where they could access the info. Why does it bother you? The fact is ... DANVERS children should NOT be the only ones in the district to have a brand new school and I, for one, will vote NO for any referendum that singles out ONE out of the EIGHT communities for preferential treatment! I wish Hopedale WOULD stay in the District. I wish our school administration had worked WITH the residents of that community to come to some sort of workable agreement. I WANT to see ONE, or at the most TWO, new elementary schools that are more centrally located to ALL children than the outskirts of our district (i.e. perhaps one elementary school on Stanford's north edge and one elementary school just west of McLean). I don't think we got a lot of common sense from our high-priced consultants. "

How do you know? wrote on Oct 25, 2006 2:05 PM:

" How do you know it's Hopedale people posting info on Mclean county EAV's? And since when is it YOUR referendum? That statement alone tells me exactly where the rest of the district stands in your mind. As long as you get a new school, the hell with the rest of the district, right? "

Hopedale Resident wrote on Oct 25, 2006 2:02 PM:

" The people of Hopedale have been falsely accused of posting all of the blogs on this site, falsely accused of starting the whole "threat scare" at OHS, called 'JUNK', and who knows what else. Why? Because we are excersizing our constitutional right to our opinion. I find it amazing that we are such awful people and yet no one wants us to leave the Olympia District. Why? It seems it really is all about the money. You don't like us or anything we stand for, so why else would you want to keep us around? Let us go and then we can't continue to ruin your "perfect, precious" school district. "

Why are you Hopedale people wrote on Oct 25, 2006 1:11 PM:

" posting all if this information on EAV and taxes? Are you that headstrong on single handedly stopping our referendum? To the rest of the district I beg you to stop listening to the redric coming from Hopedale's mouths! The only reason they are posting all of this negativity is because they lost at the regional board. What do they care if they are so sure they are leaving? Stand up and applaud your school district! We will pass this referendum. I am confident that the majority of people are keeping their mouths shut and will vote yes in April! Danvers parent. "

To "constitutional?" wrote on Oct 25, 2006 1:11 PM:

" The constitutionality refers to the ILLINOIS constitution, not that of the USA. In particular, Article X, Section 1 states "The State has the primary responsibility for financing the system of public education." Hold our legislators accountable for not properly funding our schools, and, our local board for not properly administering them. Oly's "State" funding was around 25% +/-, so we real estate taxpayers were the "primary" funder, not the state per the Illinois constitution. "

To: Is there a... wrote on Oct 25, 2006 10:51 AM:

" From the McLean County website, you can learn that Mt Hope Township (McLean is in Mt Hope Township) has Commercial EAV of $3,167,216 whereas Danvers Township has Commercial EAV of $1,330,713. The Residential/Commercial Assessments in the actual Villages of Danvers and McLean are $11,814,126/$1,224,269 and $7,293,814/$2,491,554 respectively. Although the Village of Danvers may have more residential assessment, it doesn't have enough to warrant a new school vs. bussing the kids from McLean to Atlanta. Taxes assessed on farm land has cost Olympia, but so has nonexistent commercial growth. It would be nice if a PANTAGRAPH staffer would gather the info for all villages in all 5 counties of the Olympia District and give us a concise, accurate report. "

To "is there a ... " wrote on Oct 25, 2006 10:32 AM:

" Of course the school district has this information and under FOI it should be available to you. The County Clerk's office in each county would also have the information. "

Is there a ... wrote on Oct 25, 2006 9:14 AM:

" Is there a source of information, maybe broken down by townships, as to where and how many tax dollars come from each, other than from the school district itself? "

To: "To Wondering" wrote on Oct 25, 2006 7:21 AM:

" A board member actually said they want to protect the east side from Unit 5? I think if Unit 5 would take Danvers, it could be win/win all the way around. I would think it would take the Olympia School District a long time to recoup the dollars it would take to build them a new school. There aren't enough tax dollars coming from Danvers to warrant their children receiving special treatment. "

To: wondering wrote on Oct 24, 2006 9:35 PM:

" I feel the same way. The meeting I was at when they were first proposing this referendum, many people spoke up and said they were in favor of the one school plan which was one of three choices they were giving us. The board however promptly shot this down and said that we need to protect the east side of the district from Unit 5! So I guess the rest of the districts kids are not as important as the ones on the east side. If the board proposes one central grade school located in Stanford (not by Olympia) then I will vote yes! As of right now it appears I will be voting no as I do not back the cause of favoring one town over the others and moving our sixth graders to the middle school! If the board members are reading this blog take note...many people have the same beliefs as me on this issue! Take it or leave it! "

Perfect Headline wrote on Oct 24, 2006 9:32 PM:

" I want to commend the headline writer for this article. This sums up the Olympia Board and adminstration perfectly. How much more clearly do taxpayers need to put it before they sit up and take notice? They are optimistic the voters will say yes in April? I'd say delusional would be a better description. "

wondering wrote on Oct 24, 2006 6:32 PM:

" I wonder why things are voted on and fail to pass but eventually the do what was voted against anyway. How and why is that? Does understand the meaning of no? Its no in January as well as April and July. "

constitutional? wrote on Oct 24, 2006 6:27 PM:

" I haven't checked but I rather doubt we have a constitutionally guaranteed free education since public schools did not start until the late 1800's. And I don't remember seeing an amendment. Anyone who knows of one please fill us in. A lot of people think the constitution guarantees them free food, housing and health insurance but I think our founding fathers expected us to provide something for ourselves. Surprise! Maybe they should read the constitution and not listen to those promising free handouts. No worky no eaty. If no worky not muchy at all. "

Stanford parent wrote on Oct 24, 2006 10:28 AM:

" This will never pass. I think at this point the tax payors of Olypia are angry with and tired of the current school board, and admin. Weather we move ahead or not depends greatly on the trust people put in the board and admin. After reading many of the posts here. The writing is on the wall. Olympia will never improve until we have a change in who and how our district is run. "

hmm wrote on Oct 23, 2006 11:44 PM:

" They expect april to be different? Why? They said the same thing about this one...too stupid to get it? Maybe they need a new group of people. When the need is really there, the tax increase will not be up to the taxpayers. "

Referendum wrote on Oct 21, 2006 11:46 AM:

" I think perhaps the whole process needs to be put on hold until after the judge's decision on Hopedale. Without Hopedale, Stanford kids could go to Minier and Danvers could detach and try to get together with Unit 5. "

To concerned wrote on Oct 20, 2006 5:18 PM:

" I agree that Oly's spending problems are not the only issue. Where we disagree is this, I think that Oly needs to build one school! NOT BY OLYMPIA, but closer to the village of Stanford! We need to plan for the future. Twenty years from now we will be saying that we need to do something with the other two schools! Why not fix the problem right now? One school in Stanford! I can guarantee you that everyone could agree with this and the board would still say NO! They have an agenda and it will happen! Hopefully we can put some good people on this board. I wish that Les would run again! I think that if we got some good people on there with him we could turn this district around. Yes I signed the petition to leave this district, however I have no bad feelings for the others in the district. I want nothing but the best for all our kids. Hopedale parent "

concerned wrote on Oct 20, 2006 3:23 PM:

" There are a lot of issues and concerns I would have with a one-site school concept. Geographically it makes sense. However, Geographic’s are not the only issue here. While I'm sure most of the kids in Olympia or any district are well adjusted, well behaved, and simply good kids, I would sincerely not want my K-6 or K-8 aged children mixed in with older children for many reasons. Habits, influences and temptations are all brought on naturally when mixing young influential minds with older, wiser ones. Younger children are often pressured by older children sometimes intentionally sometimes not. Simply being around older children and watching their behavior is too much temptation for most children. They simply want “to be like the older cooler kids”. This is potentially a recipe for negative growth behavior patterns. This thought alone is enough to cause great concern on my behalf. I understand a 5th grader will not be in the same classroom as a 9th grader but influences are what they are. Money and mismanagement at the board level are not the only issues! "

Voters said no but school officials not giving up wrote on Oct 20, 2006 9:19 AM:

" The pantagraph nailed this title perfectly! This board just cant seem to understand that it is not about the money! It is about being true and fair to a district that covers a broad area. It is about wanting accountability from the board and administration on the spending habits! "

Olympia is all about the money! wrote on Oct 20, 2006 8:50 AM:

" If you dont believe me, ask someone who went to the hearing. The judge asked the Oly attorney if they were all about the money, and the attorney responded yes! This explains the huge fees that is charged for everything! "

LOL to "Stop Bashing" wrote on Oct 19, 2006 2:37 PM:

" Yes...we have heard about the award nomination. Was George Ryan nominated for a Nobel Prize? Unfortunately, Hahn can look great to his peers (all of the former coaches, team players, etc. who like to cheerlead amongst themselves) -- and NOT serve the children and taxpayers of his district in a fashion that is worthy of an award! "

To: Bigger not Better wrote on Oct 19, 2006 2:31 PM:

" I don't necessarily agree with you. No matter what the size of the school, there are ways to get parents and communites involved in schools in order to promote a "home town" flavor to the school. Of course, those ways are dependent upon school personnel actually WANTING involvement from parents and communites. Internationally there are schools in towns a lot larger than "Olympia" (are there even 10,000 people in the combined 8 villages?), with a whole lot more children in their buildings, that successfully get their parents, grandparents, friends, and neighbors involved in their schools. In the last 5 years, community-wide involvement has not seemed to be a consistent goal of the Olympia School District's administration. "

new to illinois wrote on Oct 19, 2006 1:49 PM:

" It was a shock when I moved here and found out that not only was I going to pay 4 times as much (per dollar value of my property) inschool taxes, but they wanted me to pay additional fees in order for my children to get a state constitutionially guaranted FREE public education. And what's up with sending dry erasers to the class room. I've never heard of sending teaching supplies to school before. And the never ending fund raisers for no specific school cause or function. This is really bizzarre! "

Stop bashing wrote on Oct 19, 2006 1:48 PM:

" Whether you like it or not, Don Hahn is a well respected super in the state of Illinois. He is up on the ballot to win super of the year in the state! He should be honored for the way he has turned this district around not chastised! It is clearly the Hopedale people that continue to push against this referendum. There are some good people left in the town such as Norma and Chris, but very few others. Hopedale stop trying to ruin our referendum! "

do it yourself wrote on Oct 19, 2006 1:23 PM:

" If you think that the school board is doing such a bad job then why don't you replace them? "

New OLY Board needed next Spring!!! wrote on Oct 19, 2006 1:10 PM:

" There are four board member positions up for re-election next Spring. How about getting a group of four people to run that supports local education in the communities and not just the East side of the district or supports one building K-5 at a location other then where OHMS? Face it.. the district needs a referendum, but they don't need it with the current board and administration. Let's get four new board members in there with a new plan and we could bring this district back together. Hahn is retiring at the end of the year. Maybe a new board could work well with Hutchinson and Wise. We need to work fast because applications for school board election are due the 1st week of January. Any takers?" "

Bigger not better wrote on Oct 19, 2006 12:41 PM:

" Consolidation ? The bigger the building the smaller the parent . "

Bushisms wrote on Oct 19, 2006 12:12 PM:

" oh, my, "regarding the 'balanced budget'" -- are you suggesting that our fearless leader is less than accurate with his statements? It would be somewhat amusing if the educations of our children weren't at risk. "

Single Site Proponents wrote on Oct 19, 2006 12:10 PM:

" I think the proponents of a single site for a brand new elementary school that is centrally located, has large learning areas, natural light, and a reasonable number of students per certified teacher need to gather some momentum and get the administration and school board to adequately address our concerns -- and NOT with outdated research studies that are not relevant to our unique RURAL school district! I wonder if anyone from Vision 25 is available to help with the momentum building? "

regarding the "balanced budget" wrote on Oct 19, 2006 11:58 AM:

" Hahn declared last year that Olympia had balanced the budget! And then a few seconds later stated that they had to pull from reserves! Excuse me if you are pulling from reserves you are not balancing the budget. I guess you can mark that up as another famous Don Hahn quote! No one ever accused him of thinking before he spoke! "

fred wrote on Oct 19, 2006 10:07 AM:

" to: to fred: to balance a budget is not rocket science! All you have to do is spend less than you take in!! I've been doing it for years! My banker does not believe that "close to it" is the same as a balanced budget. Another economic tip: It's too late to try to save money when you're already broke! Anymore economic questions and I'll have to charge you by the hour!!! "

regarding retired Amington teacher wrote on Oct 19, 2006 9:29 AM:

" You better be careful, if they find out who you are they will try to take away your pention for speaking out against them! "

retired Amington teacher wrote on Oct 19, 2006 7:54 AM:

" I guess no one can answer my questions? Thats okay the Olympia board has not answered them either! "

TO: Oly grad again wrote on Oct 18, 2006 9:47 PM:

" Let me start by saying I voted yes for the last referendum. Okay, now why would I vote yes when I do not believe in their intentions or cause? I do care about education. I was an educator for a great deal of my life! Explain to me how building a new school in Danvers makes sense geographically? This building will be used for many years to come will it not? The best choice is for one school in Stanford. Place it on the edge of town or in the town. As far as the silent majority, people are not stupid in this district! The have minds and are not too blind to see Olympia close practically a new school in McLean and then state that they have an old building and overcrowding issues! How stupid does the Olympia board and administration think we are? retired Amington teacher "

Oly Grad again wrote on Oct 18, 2006 7:08 PM:

" I am fully aware of what goes on in this district. I KNOW that everything on the list will be phased in over TIME, with some things being percentages per year. I never said that the people who vote no are self serving, that was taken wrong. Quit complaining about the fireworks, that was paid for 100 percent by donations raised by the kids. I doubt the money they raised would clear up Olympia's financial issues. I am not living my life through my kids, but thanks for the personal attack there To to Oly Grad lol. Voting no sends the message that education doesn't matter and what does matter is sending a message to Mr. Hahn and the Board. If you want to send a message fine, vote in a new board, run yourself! Don't make the kids pay the price.People have commented that everyone on here posting is voting no, it will never pass. Piece of advice:never underestimate the silent majority. Perhaps the yes voters are waiting to make their point with yes votes and not postings putting the blame on everyone else. Time will tell. "

Declining Enrollments/Asst. Supers wrote on Oct 18, 2006 4:17 PM:

" I think when you factor in the amount that taxpayers paid on their TOTAL tax bills (to state, federal and local agencies), it might have been less costly to hire SIX 1/2 day Kindergarten teachers to fill in that need than ONE asst. superintendent (especially since only having half-day K cost us transportation $$ from our TOTAL tax dollar when gas was close to $3/gal!). I don't see why the Business Manager position is on this list undoubtedly reported BY Olympia TO the Pantagraph since that position was restored BEFORE the referendum has even come to a vote. "

TO : Business Manager Included on List -- WHY? wrote on Oct 18, 2006 3:20 PM:

" Don't you realize you are not to question this board? It makes you a bad bad person to do so! How dare you hold them accountable for their spending. How dare you bring up the fact that they hire asst. supers while claiming declining enrollments! Who do you think you are a tax payer or something? "

To: No Way wrote on Oct 18, 2006 3:09 PM:

" Yes, it sounds like moving 6th Grade to the Middle School was in the pipeline for a long time. I'm not sure if this is your first child going to the MS or your last...but...as a parent whose children are long since through K-12 in Olympia Schools, I always felt that seventh grade was not a good time to combine students from various communities. I think kids are starting to go through so many other changes within themselves at that time that throwing in athletic try-outs, new cliques, anonymous teachers, etc. was just not appropriate at seventh grade. I think sixth grade (i.e. 11) is a better age for a child to start in a consolidated middle school. Of course, my sister raves over K-8 schools (IVC school district in Chillicothe has 2 K-8's and one high school...and $45 registration fees for high school)...but I know those days are long gone for Olympia. "

To: Jackson wrote on Oct 18, 2006 10:54 AM:

" I agree, it used to be a jewel when I went to school there. Due to bad boards, bad administration and this goofball super we went from a jewel to something that you would find warm and stinky in a cow pasture! And before you jump my case I voted yes on the last two referendums, but not this time! VOTE NO! Angry Oly parent! "

Looking at this blog wrote on Oct 18, 2006 10:51 AM:

" I would say that this thing has zero chance of passing. Most of the people posting seem to be against it! Vote NO and encourage others to do the same! Make this board accountable for their spending first! Minier Parent "

Business Manager Included on List -- WHY? wrote on Oct 18, 2006 10:44 AM:

" Since the District has already hired the Business Manager (Wise -- an excellent choice and someone who is also, I believe, certified as a Superintendent), will they be filling the Asst. Superintendent in charge of Curriculum position that will be vacant when Hutchison becomes Superintendent? Or since there is the issue of declining enrollments -- will there just be the two administrators in the central Office? I think Olympia can function adequately with a central administration team of two (and a good team of building principals) – especially if our new superintendent (Hutchison) is strong in curriculum and Wise is a strong Business Manager (an Asst. Superintendent position in some districts). Our board needs to control administrative costs rather than just pass waivers. "

NO WAY wrote on Oct 17, 2006 9:18 PM:

" Next year my child will be in the sixth grade. I do not want them in the middle school. I will be voting NO! What are you people thinking? This board has got to go. Remember just because Mr. Hahn reccomends something does not mean you the board has to do it! Have you ever told him no about anything? In most school districts supers do not get raises if they cannot pass a referendum. Although he is under contract it seems he gets one every year! We the taxpayers and you the board have to live in this district. Mr. Hahn sees us as the final step on his retirement ladder and that is it! Wake up! "

To :Fact wrote on Oct 17, 2006 9:06 PM:

" It was one of their choices at the meeting I attended. Whenever someone stated that they thought one building would be the best option, the board shot them down and stated that this was the last of their choices. My question is why did they even have it as an option if they knew they would shoot it down. Make no mistake the new school in Danvers was the agenda all along. Vision twenty five stated it and I was too stupid to believe them. I have voted yes on the last two referendums. I have become an educated voter since then, going to some meetings and reading the meeting minutes. They are going to build a new school in Danvers no matter what. As stated earlier I did not back the Vision group in the beginning, but after the hearing in Pekin when Olympia stated what they are all about. Lets just say I am now pulling for the home team! "

To:oly grad wrote on Oct 17, 2006 8:06 PM:

" Not sure what meeting you went to but the one that I went to I clearly heard Don Hahn say that there would not be an immediate impact on the fees! Unless that has changed as well! By not questioning your board you are not being loyal...just naive! "

Read the headline... wrote on Oct 17, 2006 7:45 PM:

" Read the headline of this article. The voters have said no how many times? Doesn't that tell you something? It tells me the voters are tired of throwing money into a bottomless pit. It tells me they want some responibiltiy shown by the board they have elected. It tells me they want accountability from the administration. It tells me this administration has not and will not listen to the voters. I will make sure my child receives the best education available. That education is not from Olympia. Vote NO "

Fact wrote on Oct 17, 2006 7:00 PM:

" One thing that may always tick me off about the current administration -- the buildings in Stanford, Hopedale, and McLean may have been closed after the last failed referendum -- BUT the decision for K-6 to NOT be housed together in those buildings (i.e. with or without the passage of the referendum) was made by the administration -- NOT the voters. I wish we could have a VOTE as to whether we want ONE elementary school that is centrally located (with large rooms & natural lighting) or if we want to continue to pour money into THREE buildings. I'm all for eliminating travel pay for administration and other employees between buildings and building one new elementary that will be FAIR for ALL children. "

Tax Bill Increases wrote on Oct 17, 2006 6:54 PM:

" My guess is that another reason why tax bills have not stayed the same in the last 20 years is because of increasing ASSESSED VALUATIONS. In McLean County, the assessed valuations in McLean, Stanford, and Danvers are also EQUALIZED with valuations in Blm-Nrl and all of the other communities in McLean County. A RATE may stay the same -- but the homeowner pays MORE $$ because the rate is based on an increased value. A house valued at $80,000 10 years ago is probably valued at least at $120,000 today -- without any improvements to speak of by the homeowner. The PROBLEM with Olympia District - Property taxes on FARM LAND are NOT based on assessed valuation in the same way -- there is a formula -- and taxes on much of the farm land that makes up our district have gone down in recent years. ONE SOLUTION?? Have a GREAT school and encourage business & residential development -- at a RATE that is affordable. "

User Fees wrote on Oct 17, 2006 4:56 PM:

" I do think it is unfortunate that the fees to go to a public school are so high.but.the parents who pay those high fees in many instances DO get federal tax credits from our Bush Buddies for having children and the poor people who truly can't afford the fees for their children to go to school DO get fee waivers. I am not opposed to parents having to pay more than seniors and other empty nesters to educate the children of the various Olympia communities. Perhaps the Danvers Parents who want a new school could have a fund raiser that doesn't involve raising MY taxes. "

FULL-DAY KINDERGARTEN wrote on Oct 17, 2006 4:55 PM:

" It's interesting that one of the things on the list to be restored with a tax increase is a full-time business manager. It's my understanding that Olympia has already done THAT!! Why is it that the position could be restored with or without the passage of this referendum, but full-day kindergarten could not? Is it truly all about the kids? It certainly doesn't seem that way! I have no confidence in Hahn ... if our tax rate will be lower when current bonds will be paid off in 2007 or 2008, but the same if we pass this referendum, how is again that the referendum won't cost us money? Aren't foregone savings a cost to us? Uhhh...maybe they won't cost HAHN...because he will probably have moved on from the district, but those of us who will still be here...WILL be paying! "

To Wait a Minute wrote on Oct 17, 2006 4:48 PM:

" No, my tax bill hasn't stayed the same in the past 20 years, and a big reason for that is because I voted "Yes" to increase the education fund contribution when my school district needed money to build new buildings, expand cirriculum, implement new technology, implement new security measures, provide our teachers with the resources they need, etc. The cost of operating schools has gone up, so why wouldn't the funding need to increase as well? The reason schools are cutting programs is because of increased costs coupled with unsupportive residents. If you worked at a job for 20 years and never got a single raise, what would you do? How can you expect your school to be successful if you are so completely unsupportive? If you don't like the decisions the school board makes, when an opening comes up, why don't you run for the position and see if you can do any better? Otherwise, quit complaining and at least give your kids a fighting chance at a decent future. "

to "JACKSON" wrote on Oct 17, 2006 4:31 PM:

" I too was one of 19 graduates from a small rural central Illinois school that no longer exists. The current cirriculum list from Delavan looks hauntingly familiar. I am envious of the opportunities that my kids have at Olympia. The AP classes, the Classical Lit, Sciences... Too bad that the failure of the last referendum resulted in such huge cuts to the number of classes. I sometimes have to beg just to get them into one of the upper levels that are now "too crowded." Also, we have lost many of our good, young teachers because of the salary freeze. They can make 20 to 50% more each year in Lincoln or Unit 5. They would be silly not to go. Now, back to topic - finish the consolidation, one large school, one large campus. At that point, everyone is treated equally. (something the Founding Board realized with the location of the Olympia campus-it is only about 300 ft. from the exact center of the District) "

To to Oly Grad wrote on Oct 17, 2006 4:18 PM:

" Self serving? If you are so concerned about the kids, why don't you just start sending any excess finance you have to Olympia? The people voting no are not self serving. We are just tired of waste and abuse. We want accountability and the funds we are already sending used in a manner that supports education, not ball games and fireworks. Grow up and quit trying to relive your life through your kids. "

to oly parent wrote on Oct 17, 2006 4:04 PM:

" It is not job of the residents of the school district to pour over the budget and find areas of concern or waste. Other school districts are surviving, why not Olympia? It was a bad idea to keep Danvers open in 2001 and it is a bad idea today. The administration made the decision, not the tax payers. We just voted down their request for more money after they messed up. So, Proud Oly Parent, what do you do when your family finance does not allow you to buy an new car or house? Do you go to your boss and ask for more money? I doubt it. You have to find ways to survive with the money you have. That is all the hard working tax payers are expecting the administration to do. "

To: Oly Grad wrote on Oct 17, 2006 4:01 PM:

" Whether the kids worked for the fireworks or not, it is a slap in the face of the tax payers to burn up money!! If they have such excess time to raise money, why not make them pay for their sports uniforms. Remember, kids go to school to learn, not for sports, or band or to see fireworks. When times are tight, you cut the waste. I wish people would look at this situation like a business and not some emotional right of passage for the kids. They need an education not fireworks and parties. "

Wait a minute wrote on Oct 17, 2006 3:44 PM:

" From the 3:03 PM Poster. "Because you people wouldn't vote for a tax increase that would help pay for maintenance and improvements to these buildings." ---- So this tax increase is for new construction and education funding. How long before the board decides it needs more money to maintain these new buildings? It's an endless cycle. No, there hasn't been an increase in the rate for 20 years. Has your tax bill been the same as it was 20 years ago? Mine sure as hell hasn't stayed the same as it was then. It is time to send a message to this board enough is enough. Vote No. "

NO WAY! wrote on Oct 17, 2006 3:21 PM:

" NO WAY! Nope, not gonna happen! How can the board be so optimistic? Do they think we are complete idiots to their idealistic plans. Come election day lets send this board and Hahn the real message! The message that they do not want! Lets take back our school district and get some people on this board with some clout! "

Oly Grad wrote on Oct 17, 2006 3:20 PM:

" To VOTE NO, had you had anything to do with the school instead of just driving by you would have known that the kids busted their butts to raise the money for those Homecoming fireworks. They deserve them and they have become a tradition. I am so tired of people who know nothing about Olympia running their mouths!!! I for one will be voting YES YES YES for the referendum. Between the fees that will be reduced when it passes our family will save $840 per year. My parents paid taxes for my school as did their parents before them. It is the right thing to do for the KIDS!! Remember them? Sad part is some of the self-serving, it's all about us, people of this district obviously don't!!! "

RE:Just one question wrote on Oct 17, 2006 3:18 PM:

" Sure your taxes will go down right after Mr. Hahn buys some big red shoes and joins the circus. On a side note, Mr. hahn I seen you fall asleep at the hearing. You forgot your geritol again didnt you? Sorry for the Sarcasm there in my response. It is becoming more and more apparent that Olympia's (Hahn's) choice of words are more and more misleading. Every time he speaks of the referendum he mixes up his words. I would hope that someone of his education could get it right more often than he has. Reminds me of the story of Adam and Eve, you know the one about the snake in the tree? And how he tried to deceive them! "

To Accountability wrote on Oct 17, 2006 3:03 PM:

" Your children should not be punished for the mistakes made by the school board. Yes, you should hold your school board accountable for the decisions they make, but withholding school district money is not the way to do it. You hold any public official accountable by not re-electing them to their post when you are dissatisified with their service. You hold them accountable by attending school board meetings, sending correspondence, getting involved in the district, reminding them as often as you can that they need to re-evaluate their decisions. Everyone keeps talking about all these great buildings they've "let go", but did anyone stop to think why they let them go? Because you people wouldn't vote for a tax increase that would help pay for maintenance and improvements to these buildings. Maybe if local residents would be more involved in the process, rather than just saying "I'm not giving you any more money", something could actually be done to improve the quality of education your children receive. "

Just one question... wrote on Oct 17, 2006 2:51 PM:

" This referendum IS about a tax rate increase. Bonds will be retired and new bonds issued. My questions is when these new bonds mature, will my tax rate go back down? My opinion is "not likely" but I would like to know. "

To the responder to Fred wrote on Oct 17, 2006 2:35 PM:

" Okay you want worthwhile constructive advice. Olympia should swallow their pride and approach the Park District in McLean about reopening the school! Why should we build a new school in Danvers? Dont tell me that it is because of bussing costs. The state reimburses 80-85% of the tranportation cost back to the school! Olympia will never do this, why you might ask? There is and always has been an agenda to build a new school in Danvers. If the board was thinking and felt compelled to build a school in a town! I would suggest the fair place would be Stanford! It is much more centrally located! Why Danvers over Stanford? Someone please explain! I have questions and when I asked members of the board and they would not give me an explanation! I pay taxes, I want to know if we are looking at the best option by building in Danvers! I am not being unfair here, just flat out want answers! As of now my vote has been and maintains NO! "

TO "to: Proud Oly Parent" wrote on Oct 17, 2006 2:34 PM:

" Your comments indicate that you did not pay attention in class. The books of the District are open record. How would you manage the limited resources available to the administration?? After the voters turned down the last tax increase proposal, the Board followed thru on its promises - there was not enough money, so 3 grade schools were closed and 40 % of the teachers fired to make up a multi-million dollar deficit caused by the lack of state funding. To Woodford Pundit - is this what you call living within your means?? Come on people, they said they would close the schools to save money to stay in operation, and now you're complaining that they did what they said! Just because you didn't like the outcome doesn't mean that it wasn't a valid conclusion. And, no, I'm not a cheerleader/fan. "

Accountability wrote on Oct 17, 2006 2:23 PM:

" You know I have that all of these people that are saying to vote yes are not replying to the questions brought about this board and administration. On one of these blogs I read a statement that said "why should we throw money into a huge vaccum of mis-spending....when the real focus should first be to shut the vacuum off!" No one has come forward to explain to me why we add more administration when we have declining enrollments! No one can explain to me why Olympia is wasting our money fighting Hopedale! If the amount is in fact what I heard it was ($130,000). Then our board is more ignorant than I even thought! You may have your cheerleader group here saying to vote yes, but the masses will vote NO! Until Olympia's board becomes more accountable, the smart people will vote NO! Instead of calling us negative and cynical....you should check yourself for the Helen Keller disease of being blind and deaf! Just call me the McLean property tax provider to the regime of Hahn! "

to "fred" wrote on Oct 17, 2006 2:19 PM:

" RE: Economics - I believe that the budget last year was balanced, or close to it. SO to balance YOUR school budget, what would YOU do?? Come on bloggers - enough gripping - let's have some worthwhile solutions!!! This isn't just a chance to rant; it's a chance to offer some concrete input. And about the "Oly=failed experiment" comments, in case you missed the last legislative session, it is now EASIER for districts to consolidate. County-wide or multi-county school districts are common in many states, do so primarily to the economies of size & scale. To you taxaphobes (yes, even you Woodford Pundit), if you think Oly is expensive (and the education fund tax rate has NOT increased in over 20 years) - just try to imagine the cost of providing the SAME educational services in each of our 8 small towns. I'm undecided as a voter, but awaiting some solid alternatives other than the "down with Don" mantra. Let's have a constructive discourse with real alternatives. After all, this is about our kids' education, not 30-year-old grudges. "

to: Proud Oly Parent wrote on Oct 17, 2006 2:07 PM:

" I am an Oly grad. I would not necessarily say proud. To say proud would indicate I received some higher quality of education than I would have in another school. I can not see that I did. The fact is the current adminstration is not doing an effective job of managing the money available to them. There is no reason to throw good money after bad. Hold the administration to the decisions that have made and expect accountability. I do enjoy living in the town I live. That does not mean I should continue to over fund a poorly managed district. Open the books and find the waste. Don't try to tell me that all day Kindergarten is the key to life success. That is just parents looking for all day daycare. VOTE NO!! GO Vision 25!! If it goes through, I will move to Hopedale. "

to: I'm glad I don't rely wrote on Oct 17, 2006 2:05 PM:

" Obviously you didn't read my second post, where I clearly stated, quite proudly in fact, that I do NOT live in the district. It is not entirely the school board's fault "they gave away perfectly fine space." It is partly the fault of local residents who voted them into office. It is so sad how many people complain about school boards and politicians, and all they bad decisions they make, because the voters are responsible for putting them in office. I will state once again: If you don't like what they are doing, replace them! "

fred wrote on Oct 17, 2006 1:24 PM:

" What I want to know is how can we expect our children to learn economics when the Board and Superintendent have no idea how to even balance a budget ?? "

im glad i dont reply wrote on Oct 17, 2006 1:15 PM:

" obviously you do not live in the olympia district because they just shut down three perfectly good schools so the lack of space and crowding comes from poor planning and foresight. One of the shut down buildings was only 25 years old! how can taxpayers justify passing a referendum to build a new school and add all day kindergarden when its their own fault they gave away perfectly fine space. They just wanted new and better, thats always the way it goes with Olympia. Im voting no till better planning happens. "

It does NOT matter wrote on Oct 17, 2006 12:58 PM:

" If this referendum fails, the School board will call the Danvers school non compliant for Asbestos and ADA compliance. This will get them the funding automatically to pay for a new school and we get stuck with the bill. Keeping Danvers open was a bad decision that was made to appease the residents that are perceived to have deeper pockets. My concern is what will happen in ten to twenty years? Will it be unfeasible to keep three schools open and need to move K-12 to a central location. Olympia is a failed experiment that should be broken up. "

Proud Oly Parent wrote on Oct 17, 2006 12:31 PM:

" I have one question. How many of you that are complaining are Oly Grads? Give your children and grandchildren the same or better opportunities that you had!!!!! There was a reason you returned to this area or never left. Part of that was the schools and communities. Our taxes are NOT going up. The old bonds are dropping off and the new ones will be added with NO increase to the tax payer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VOTE YES AND EVERY ONE WINS "

No Surprise wrote on Oct 17, 2006 12:12 PM:

" I don't understand why you people are so surprised that your elected board and appointed admin mismanage money. My guess is if you look at their own finances you will find that they are all in debt and over extended in their personal lives as well. I think public folks such as board members should have to go through a complete investigations on their finances. I don't want people running my school and school checkbook that can't balance their own financial dealings. "

I'm glad I don't wrote on Oct 17, 2006 12:04 PM:

" You're absolutely right, I do not live in the Olympia school district, thank goodness. I live in a school district that works very closely with its residents and keeps my children's best interests at heart. I don't dispute that the school board has made some terrible decisions in the past, but ask yourselves why they closed "perfectly good schools" and you'll find the answer is that they could not afford to keep them open. Why could they not afford to keep them open? Because local residents refuse to support these buildings financially. Residents seems VERY disatisfied with the school board's decisions, so to fight back, the vote down any tax increase. Let me assure you that you are fighting the wrong battle. If you are that unhappy with the board's decisions, then replace the members of the board. Refusing to support your school district financially will only hurt your children in the long run. Instead use your vote to fill the board with people who will make responsible financial decisions. "

Vote Yes wrote on Oct 17, 2006 11:27 AM:

" While Hahn may have used the wrong words, we all know what he was trying to say. Your tax "bill" won't increase even though the rate will. It should be your tax bill you worry about. I don't think he intended to lie to us; he just chose the wrong words. I'm tired of hearing all the negative people and cynics voicing their opinions. I know there are a lot of people with kids who are for the referendum. Speak up people. Vote yes and tell others to do so also. Let's not let the whiners sway public opinion by spewing hate and misinformation. "

RE: Fuzzy Math wrote on Oct 17, 2006 11:26 AM:

" I find it quite odd that you are willing to demand accountability from your representative but do not demand the same of a school board that allows way to much administration. If enrollment is declining as Oly tells us....why do we add more administration? Keep the questions within the district first! VOTE NO Retired Hopedale resident "

Anyone else notice? wrote on Oct 17, 2006 11:10 AM:

" It seems the Pantagraph does more stories on this joke of a school system than they do the Bloomington schools! VOTE NO! "

VOTE NO! wrote on Oct 17, 2006 11:09 AM:

" Olympia and its residents have treated Hopedale as if we were the red headed step child. Not only will I VOTE NO, I will push as hard as possible to get this thing to fail! Olympia you do in fact reap what you sew! "

Fuzzy Math wrote on Oct 17, 2006 11:07 AM:

" Not Oly's (this time) but the State of Illinois' - Our state constitution calls for the STATE funding of the majority of education - I believe that majority, by definition, is OVER 50 %. The recent figures that we have from Oly is that they were funded by the state at arount 25%. Taxpayers - get the state to do ITS job & the mess in education goes away for awhile. By law, the ONLY sources of school funding are your property tax dollars or state dollars. Contact your state representitive and senator and demand full funding. "

To I'm glad I don't and Jackson wrote on Oct 17, 2006 11:04 AM:

" If you lived in this district you would realize that Olympia shows no control on spending. While I agree that we need to help our kids, I cannot support mis-spending at this capacity. Olympia's board needs to drop one of Supers and get a grasp on all this fat administration. Until that point I will vote NO! Hopedale parent "

reply to im glad i dont wrote on Oct 17, 2006 10:51 AM:

" Obviously you do not live in the olympia school district or you will know that three perfectly fine schools were shut down a couple of years ago, that would have kept the crowding problems from occuring. One building was only 20 to 30 years old! Tell me how you expect taxpayers to vote for a referendum to build and upgrade schools to accomodate all day kindergarden when they gave away three fine buildings. That is poor money management and they want more of our money. Come on! In reference to all day kindergarden, part of the day is not even learning anyway, at least thats what the kindergarden teachers and administration said a few years back when they had to axe it! "

Big Question wrote on Oct 17, 2006 10:25 AM:

" They are asking more more money to add on to one of the schools?? Didn't they close a school down a couple of years ago?? "

I'm glad I don't wrote on Oct 17, 2006 10:19 AM:

" live in the Olympia school district, because my kids would not get the education and services they so richly deserve with voters like these around. I would do anything for my children, so paying a little higher property tax in order to better their education and their future is an absolute no brainer. If you vote "no" for this referendum, then don't complain because your kids are crammed into classrooms where they don't get the attention and help they deserve, when buildings are in disrepair, when the A/C or heat can't be fixed, when sports programs are cut (which take a HUGE chunk out of revenue), etc. The success of the school district is in your hands, so if you don't care if these children succeed, then by all means, vote "no" and watch this school district crumble around you. "

Open your eyes wrote on Oct 17, 2006 9:22 AM:

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