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Illini Star wrote on Nov 17, 2006 9:10 PM:

" Bloomington has a newspaper? Since when? And what is this Illinois State thing you talk about? oh...that mid major school across the state.... "

Remo wrote on Nov 11, 2006 10:28 AM:

" How in the world did you get this job. Every article you right is so negative. You have no idea what in the world you are EVER talking about. If you can get a job writing in the sports department than I'm more than qualified for the job as well. Maybe I should submit my application to take your job. You SUCK!!!! Please STOP writing about things you know nothing about. "

Kelvin wrote on Nov 10, 2006 10:37 PM:

" Good stuff! "

Mark Roberts wrote on Nov 10, 2006 10:26 PM:

" to "to Mark Roberts" Oh yea.. that one bowl game? Sugar Bowl... a BCS game that payed out about 10 million bucks. As for Turner.. when you go to a BCS game.. you get to stay a little bit longer. And when the was last BCS or playoff game for Denver and his Redbirds?....mmmmm? As for the ISU coaches.... Stallings left for more money as did Mr. Berry in football. We wont even talk about Richardson. And if Moser has any success at all... bank on it.. he will be gone too. Most people in Illini land won't even mention Dollar Bill's name. He wasn't well thought of in Champaign as a coach.. recruiter..yes...not as a coach... there are a lot of other coaches in the country that are better than Dollar Bill at X's and O's. As for the schedule... as a season ticket holder.. I can't argue the cupcake schedule. It is terrible.. not fit for a program like the Illini. "

2nd Best wrote on Nov 10, 2006 9:42 PM:

" The last time we "settled" for a guy that was "second best" at his own H.S worked out pretty well. You know, the 3rd pick in the draft two years ago, the guy that led us to the National Championship game. The gap between 3 star and 5 star recruits can be closed with good coaching. University of Illinois Basketball is in good hands. "

Brumby wrote on Nov 10, 2006 8:15 PM:

" I see ya'll are talking about my man Bill Self. God was he great. I just wanted to say that. "

To Mark Roberts wrote on Nov 10, 2006 7:42 PM:

" Here you go again...talking about ISU... Standards higher in Champaign???? 2-8 in football or 0-11 isn't considered higher standards. Your statement is laughable. I think you're a bit confused, because even though Denver has been here seven years, ISU still hasn't had some the crappy records the Illini have!! Ron Turner was coach for 8 years!!! He went to ONE bowl. As for the revolving door comment, PUHLEESE! 17 coaches in 100+ years of basketball is hardly a revolving door. You need to try to figure out why your team can't hold on to great coaches (Self) and why the Illini are second bananas to the REAL basketball schools (Duke and UNC), despite going to the title game in 05. You're right, the Illini may win 20 games after their hard fought games against the likes of Austin Peay, Savannah State, FAMU, Jackson State, IUPUI, and the list goes on. You're right, it is all one big joke. HAHA! "

Kedric P. wrote on Nov 10, 2006 7:21 PM:

" Weber is a joke. Everybody knows he can't recruit. Will he be able to coach them up well enough to make Illini fans happy? My guess is no. "

Illini Rob wrote on Nov 10, 2006 5:07 PM:

" Bill Self will be gone at Kansas if he flames out early in the tournament again. A match made in heaven . . . Bill Self as chief recruiter for Bruce Weber. "

Mark Roberts wrote on Nov 10, 2006 5:04 PM:

" Maybe Mr. Kindred should stick to writing about ISU sports. Seems like he should be writing on why Denver Johnson is still coaching at ISU. This year... his seventh.. will be his first playoff apperance for ISU. The standards are little higher in Champaign. You can't go 7 years without a postseason game there. And the revolving door at the Redbird for the mens coaching job is getting to be a joke. Chances are still good that the Illini will still win 20 games... and get to the Dance. So I guess if this is a down year for us...I guess I will take it. Having 20 wins and the Dance for SIU would be a "up" year for them. "

bad form wrote on Nov 10, 2006 4:31 PM:

" Wow, did you read the illinboard for your information? Great job researching. "

Happy to see it wrote on Nov 10, 2006 4:00 PM:

" UIUC is not preordained to be the best team in the state. I hope the Illini continue to struggle with recruiting until they play other instates in an equitable manner, and until Weber stops going after players that have signd LOIs (especially at an instate) "

AtlantaILNative wrote on Nov 10, 2006 3:29 PM:

" Randy...I have been an Illinois basketball fan since John "Red" Kerr was at Huff. I say this...you can have Sampson and whatever "living room" skills he has. Weber may or may not be as strong in this area. However, I prefer Weber and all the other positive elements he brings to the Illini basketball program. We'll see who's skills result in the best longterm quality program. "

Jamar Smith wrote on Nov 10, 2006 1:51 PM:

" man there's another recruit Weber was wrong about ;) "

UI wrote on Nov 10, 2006 1:13 PM:

" We need to replace one of the assistant coaches (read Wayne) so we can get better recruits. "

JT wrote on Nov 10, 2006 12:37 PM:

" Mr. Kindred, this disappoints me from you. Your usually very good... but you are completely uninformed here, and your being way too subjective. Your entitled to that in a column, but this is way beyond. For starters, at different points, Cole and Tisdale have been ranked in the top 100 at various points... nowhere is it mentioned that Carlwell was a top 30 player in the nation... and nowhere is it mentioned that Semrau was recruited by UNC, Kansas, etc.... I'll give you the pass here... but this is not one of your better efforts. "

AWebb wrote on Nov 10, 2006 12:18 PM:

" Recruiting rankins are garbage. Tyrus Thomas and Adam Morrison were not ranked in the top 100 in high school and were both lottery picks. Weber and the Illini will be fine. "

johnmike wrote on Nov 10, 2006 12:14 PM:

" What was Deron Williams ranked nationally when he was recruited. Luther Head? James Augustine? Getting 3 and 4 star players who will stay on can help a program a lot more than getting the Mickey D All-Americans who are here just one year. Weber may have recruiting problems but he's still better than, say, Bill Self -- who can recruit like crazy but not coach. Illini ball is GREAT to watch. Let's see what Weber does with his own recruits. "

AWebb wrote on Nov 10, 2006 12:11 PM:

" Recruiting rankings mean nothing and this story is garbage. Do you know anything about those three recruits other than two of them are not ranked in the top 100? "

Kindred wrote on Nov 10, 2006 11:53 AM:

" keep writing articles about things nobody cares about...like your beloved Cardinals, they seem to be the only thing you actually know anything about "

Nate Drye wrote on Nov 10, 2006 11:06 AM:

" I am so happy to have Bruce Weber as our coach at Illinois. We have, by far the best team in the state and are better than any of the other schools in the midwest. We have one of the top 5 programs in the nation and I guarantee we're going to the Final Four! I don't care what the rest of you think. I like to put down Illinois State, Bradley, and SIU to make us look better. I also like to use names of redbirdfan.com users to make fun of them. "

what a wrote on Nov 10, 2006 11:05 AM:

" terrible article....the football program will not take over popularity from the basketball program, that is just obsurd to think that way...Gordon and Rose are not the type of players that build your program up, they are 1 and done kids...would they be nice to have yes, but they will not break Illinois as a program...I would much rather have the kids who will be in college for 4 years vs kids who will be here and gone the next season! Until Illinois stops winning 20 games a year, stops competing for the big 10 championship and stops making the NCAA tournament we have nothing to fear...the progrma is in good hands with Weber. "

Lathot wrote on Nov 10, 2006 10:27 AM:

" That's the most asinine article regarding the Illini recruiting that I have read to date. You make no valid points , haven't given all the facts on why those "misses" went elsewhere, and have ignored the obvious that the Illini with Weber are winners (regardless of subjective rankings of recruits). A recruit and his "ranking "

kimjh wrote on Nov 10, 2006 10:25 AM:

" do some homework you hack! you obviously no jack about colege basketball especially recruiting. way to go pantagraph, got a real tool here! "

kimjh wrote on Nov 10, 2006 10:20 AM:

" you just don't get it! you have no clue sir what went on in any of these recruitings! for crying out loud bill self was looking at tisdale till he found out he was going to illinois! another writer with an agenda against weber! do a little homework idiot!! "

chief blowchunks wrote on Nov 10, 2006 10:03 AM:

" Kindred, I've never read you before, how old are you? You have the perspective, insight, and style of a youthful writer. Rockford Register Star has a youthful, uninmagitive sportswiter as tedious as you. Try reading Red Smith , Grantland Rice and yes, Loren Tate. You have the opportunity and resources to reasearch and reveal the causes of Weber's recruiting shortcomings and flaws, yet you choose to indicte instead of reveal. Your prose does not differ from your peers who confuse meanness as style. You have added nothing to the pile; keep on working on your craft. "

Weber wrote on Nov 10, 2006 10:01 AM:

" this is really pretty pathetic. maybe they should have zook recruit for basketball too. it won't be long until football takes over the popularity at illinois. i though the athletic department was crazy for signing weber to that long term deal when he hasnt had to recruit yet. now with most of self's guys gone we will se what weber is made. as of right now, it isnt looking good "

Krush34 wrote on Nov 10, 2006 8:58 AM:

" It's good thing the Illini didn't listen to Kindred with past recruits when they ended up what was considered the 2nd best player at a high school in Texas. Otherwise Deron Williams wouldn't have led U of I to the title game. "

illinifan wrote on Nov 10, 2006 8:23 AM:

" Illinois had absolutely NO chance of getting Scheyer...regardless of who his high school coach was. The only reason he was listing Illinois was out of courtesy to his high school coach. He was born wearing a Duke t-shirt. This was not a shock, it was an expectation. "

Isuquinndog wrote on Nov 10, 2006 7:43 AM:

" tpguy you are so insightful. You're basketball knowledge is second to none. I am worried about this class as well. "

Jon Bradley wrote on Nov 10, 2006 4:52 AM:

" How about an article looking at the top 3 high school basketbal recuirt out of Chicago for the last 20 years. 60 players. How many have landed at Illinois? I think the problem is deeper goes beyond the limitations of any one Illinois coach. "

tpguy wrote on Nov 9, 2006 9:28 PM:

" As all of my friends who read this can attest I am a big fan of Illinois hoops but I must say hoops coach, coach Weber has brought in at this time of the recruiting season a class that I'm not sure for one second that I am at all very pleased with. "

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