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'Real ID' program reason to worry
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The ``Real ID'' act approved in 2005 raises a red flag.

To get a driver's license, to fly or participate in any kind of government program, you must produce documents proving birth date, address, Social Security number and other personal information.

Homeland Security may also add retinal scan and fingerprinting. And your photo and all this information has to be digital so it can be shared by all 50 states.

I'm reminded of Hitler's quick rise to power.

He was a powerful persuader, telling people he would give them a better life. He became chancellor. His real goal was to gain absolute power.

First, he gained control of the press and took away freedom of speech. He gained control of the German army. He systematically eliminated all organizations that could potentially influence people.

Organizations that he could not eliminate, such as education and churches, came under direct Nazi control. Boys and girls were forced into mandatory service with boys from age 6. Hitler Youth numbered nearly 8 million. For workers, they had mandatory membership in a recreational organization, 25 M.

Disagree with him and be arrested and killed or sent to concentration camps. He suspended most human rights and allowed for arrest of political adversaries.

One of his first actions was to eliminate 4,000 communists either by shooting or sending them to concentration camps.

This ``Real ID'' act opens up avenues for our government to have complete control over the people. Make lists, number us, categorize us, etc.

And how easy it would be to have your ID stolen. All government workers are not trustworthy.

Of course, this is not new. It was prophesied long ago. Revelations 13:17 says that no man may buy or sell without the mark. Or chip under our skin or government-issued ID card.

Pat Cline

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Note: All views and opinions expressed in reader comments are solely those of the individual submitting the comment, and not those of the Pantagraph or its staff.

John Plotnic wrote on Mar 21, 2007 1:52 AM:

" You'll be slave for the rest of your life, so will you force your children in this predicament. All because of fear to Mexicans. Well your information will not be safe anymore, hackers are already selling credit card and SSN info on the net and this will make it one stop effort for them. I hate to be you, who are advocating real-id. You're marching into a zone of the unknown and danger. The Gov't is just playing politics; the senator who introduced this bill is being a stupid fat racist (perhaps a KKK member), and you the foolish cow ready for a lifetime yoke. Good luck, that’s all I could say to you; it will be done. You have no choice anymore, at this point you’re screwed; the subject is mute. You are now officially on your way to be a slave. "

Me? wrote on Mar 18, 2007 11:35 PM:

" I would really rather have a real ID, because I have nothing to hide, than to worry about being mistaken for someone with my same name who is comitting crimes. Once, I looked up in my home state and there were 16 other people with my very same name and I'm not talking about Jones or Smith either. My husband went to get his DL renewed and someone with his same name was wanted for extradiction for a crime...fortunately for him there was a trooper there who knew who he was. I say bring on a real ID. "

reader wrote on Mar 18, 2007 9:41 PM:

" Well I'll tell you this, I don't think anyone should go along with this since it won't apply to illegal aliens.They can take this new law and you know what with it.Illegals have more rights then United States citizens do.If they don't have to obey the law neither should we.Our government wants to keep an eye on it's citizens but not those in the country illegally .They can go take this law and .......................... "

All I can say... wrote on Mar 18, 2007 7:33 PM:

" is to those laughing at "paranoid" ideas; those who told the story in 1930's Europe of a growing evil were laughed out of their neighborhoods and called "paranoid". Then they were rounded up and gassed. Now there are many who deny that the Holocaust even occurred. Any questions???? "

OMG.... wrote on Mar 18, 2007 6:03 PM:

" ....am I living in the northern section of Idaho??? Ya'll need to take some anti-paranoia pills. "

Ray wrote on Mar 18, 2007 4:48 PM:

" This is tyranny..this is Nazi Germany. They are already implanting U.S. soldiers with them .. just type in "VeriChip" in a Google news search and read..read and NOTICE how fast this VIRUS is spreading. Fight the globalists.. WE ARE THE PEOPLE! WE WILL NOT LET TYRANNY RULE US! They're already fingerscanning our children in highschools just to get LUNCH! The Federal government is behind all of this.. we can NOT trust our criminal, deceitful, domestic spying government. EVERYBODY I URGE YOU, FOR YOUR FUTURE, FOR YOUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDRENS' FUTURE.. do NOT comply with their demands. We are looking at a tyrannical, diabolic future if we let this happen. IT TAKES TIME .. but eventually we will all be enslaved. That's the inevitable outcome. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN "

Hi Leland wrote on Mar 18, 2007 12:36 PM:

" So how was the latest edition of the Lawrence Welk Show? Was it another rerun ? "Ol Larry" tell any good jokes ? He's the best I gotta tell you . Anyway , I've been reading for quite some time about the stories you've apparently "never" heard of . Maybe it's your "source". "

NO Spychips wrote on Mar 18, 2007 12:12 PM:

" Folks... check out www.nocards.org for info on spychips, gov control, etc "

Leland Lesher wrote on Mar 18, 2007 7:48 AM:

" Some of you paranoids have some validity to SOME of what you have said. Unfortunately, the valid points are lost in the paranoia of conspiracy theories and sci-fi stuff. The military is NOT drafting illegals. Illegals do not gain citizenship by serving in the military. There is a path to citizenship by service in the US military, but it is merely an assistance, not a sidestep nor shortcut. If they are willing to serve and possibly die to become a US citizen, would you begrudge them that? Contrails spreading viruses? Please! Some of you need to get back on your anti-psychotic meds, or at least buy more aluminum foil for your hats. "

Crybaby wrote on Mar 18, 2007 7:01 AM:

" Well put, "Mary. The 'simple' solution is to play 'let's pretend' and merely drop the word 'illegal'. From all discourse. That way, there would be no need to distinguish between legal and illegal activities. Everything would be only an activity. That's all it would take to satisfy the 'let's let everyone in' mob. Especially those who don't have to live with the consequences of their moist dreams. "

Mary wrote on Mar 17, 2007 7:15 PM:

" The Real ID Act and the proposal for a North American Border Pass with biometric identifiers are both to be in effect May 2008. They are not a solution to illegal immigration as some claim. According to Robert Pastor, PhD, American University (father of the North American Union) at a February 16, 2007 conference, as stated by Kincaid, the "national biometric identity card [is] for the purpose of controlling the movement of people in and out of the U.S. Pastor says he favors a North American Community (Kincaid, C., North American "Conspiracy" Exposed, Feb. 16, 2007, Accuracy in Media). The goal of this "community" is to eliminate the national borders between the United States, Mexico, and Canada to create open borders and a free flow of goods and people. A nation without borders is no longer a nation but becomes a dependent vassal state which has lost its national sovereignty. "

BN Cynic wrote on Mar 17, 2007 6:00 PM:

" I have no choice but to trust the people at the DMV as I need a license. I was just addressing the Letter Writer's concern about untrustworthy government employees in that its a concern regardless of whether the RealID goes into effect. ID theft is a concern that I hope this Real ID will help to reduce. "

MRS. wrote on Mar 17, 2007 5:16 PM:

" I Agree with Hello folks....,LNL and the "nonsecret" This is really quite obvious if you just take the time to study what is happening. Of course, I believe what the Bible say and if you study you will find the answers. This is setting up for NWO and not many could deny that, not with a straight face anyway. Yes, if an illegal alien joins the military they are given citizenship. I wouldn't argue to much about that but not the entire "family" I wouldn't be at all surprised that the military will control us but I think it will be at the direction of the UN or another global entity not the US.( I have heard it said Palosi wants our sovereignty turned over to the UN) ( she better hurry though, Bush is killing it right now) I also would not be surprised if the Government is trying experiments on us, it wouldn't be the first time. People need to get their information from other than the MSM, they aren’t telling the story. "

to BN Cynic wrote on Mar 17, 2007 3:17 PM:

" you trust the people of the DMV? these are the same people that quietly followed Ryan's bribes for license deal. how do you know they wont just sell all that info they have on you to the highest bidder. be they terrorist,illegal alien or corporation? why should we trust the people that work there when the rest of the govt. does not? Try paying cash at the DMV in Joliet you can't, they do not except cash!now why would that be? "

Hello folks.... wrote on Mar 17, 2007 2:21 PM:

" I knew this was coming and it isn't done yet. Our government is trying for one world order and if they get your guns, it will spread throughout the U.S. . From what I understand they are drafting illegal aliens and training them and when they get out they are automatically a US citizen. Then they are taking our men over seas and training them to come back here and control the streets if no one agrees with this order. This way no one can object to the governments control. Have you heard of Chem trails??? It's the planes that criss cross the skies leaving a white trail and they are spreading a solution of viruses, and contaminents to see how it reacts on humans. Another form of control in time. Listen to George Nory or Art Bell, (midnights on a.m. radio) they will tell you all about it. Oh by the way, by April 7 the U. S. will invade Iran, this is also being kept quiet. Government control is coming real soon. "

to Mary wrote on Mar 17, 2007 2:20 PM:

" What does a national ID card have to do with this rumored merging of Mexico, the United States, and Canada? You can have one without the other. In fact, Mexico is doing a great job merging with the United States right now and we don't have a National ID card like the Real ID. "

the "nonsecret" wrote on Mar 17, 2007 11:59 AM:

" And while your "googling" verichip , type "NEW WORLD ORDER QUOTES" , see "in there own words" . "

Mary wrote on Mar 17, 2007 11:48 AM:

" The Federal Real ID Act of 2005 must be repealed. It is a national ID act that is being heavily supported by Robert Pastor and others to bring about open borders between the United States, Mexico and Canada for the purpose of a North American Community. This will eliminate our national borders and our national sovereignty. This ID card will require uniform information be placed in every state drivers' license. It is a costly unfunded mandate on Illinois costing "at least $11 billion nationally over the next 5 years." Contact your STATE Representative today to support HJR0027 to repeal the national Real ID Act. See Illinois General Assembly website "

LNL wrote on Mar 17, 2007 11:34 AM:

" HR: It isn’t fiction anymore. Google verichip. "

HR Pro wrote on Mar 17, 2007 9:47 AM:

" You can't compare Hitler's rise to power with the national ID card system. You're making quite a stretch! With our social security number system, the government is already aware of everything we do anyway. So I carry a national driver's license instead of a state license. Big deal..... And a chip under my skin??? You've been watching too many sci-fi movies. "

BN Cynic wrote on Mar 17, 2007 8:12 AM:

" The government already has the ability to "make lists, number us, categorize us, etc." Its called the Social Security Number. The IRS has access to a significant amount of your financial data. The rest is just a court case away. And some of these things - photo, retinal scan, fingerprints - would make the ID harder to forge. Your concerns of dishonest government workers already exist at the DMV and at the SS office. I like my privacy, but I don't see the Real ID as changing the current privacy situation any. I do like the fact that it'll be harder for an illegal alien to steal my social security number and stick me with his tax bill and bad credit. I think the idea of a secure ID is great. It makes it so much harder for someone else to "prove" that they are me. Anyway, isn't most of the RealID opposition coming from pro-illegal alien groups for just the reasons I mentioned? "

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