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OMG wrote on Jan 19, 2008 4:14 PM:

" wow thats was unexpected lol "

jesus h chris wrote on Jan 17, 2008 9:51 AM:

" bow chicka wow wow "

student wrote on Dec 29, 2007 4:02 PM:

" how culd they do such a thing its horrible i mean 5th graders they shuld know better them bad kids shuld be punished but its not up to me the lord only knows "

New New wrote on Nov 1, 2007 6:06 PM:

" i know what it is like to have sex becuse i had it before "

wat ev wrote on Oct 20, 2007 9:36 PM:

" leave thees kids alone stuff happens "

U wanted to do it 2 wrote on Oct 15, 2007 5:23 AM:

" now all girls go through stuff but it was hard for me because i started puberty early and all of my friends dissed me because of it and i always wished to have a boyfriend and be old enough for sex so stop the dissing of these kids cause i know what they did was for closure of the sex hunger that 1 in 5 kids get.....me being one of them when i was 11 13 years ago. "

Angelbabe101 wrote on Oct 15, 2007 5:15 AM:

" You may find it gross but when i was 11 i thought i was sick because i couldn't stop THINKING about sex. so i know how they feel and you should give them a break. "

omg wrote on Aug 20, 2007 2:15 PM:

" ya so the kids were curious, i bet none of you have ever done something that someone believed was wrong, everyone is so perfect and all... you can not blame anything on anyone but those who have done it, if that was the case go shoot someone and blame the gun, who pulled the trigger??? anyway, i just wanted everyone to know, it is not the person that is in charge of watching the students, it is the students themselves that are going to have to make the choices, and this is the choice that these very young children made. and in response to one person, students are left all the time in class rooms with no teacher, happens everyday "

JANE wrote on May 16, 2007 2:16 PM:

" FOR ONE IT DIDNT HAPPEN IN NEW ORLEANS IT HAPPPAN IN SPEARSVILLE La NORTH OF NEW ORLEANS, SECOND WHAT DIFFERANCE DO IT MAKE THEY ARE BLACK OR WHITE WRONG IS WRONG IN ALL RACES "

masha wrote on Apr 18, 2007 3:01 AM:

" Now, nothing is wrong or even right . All we should think, is it a right time, in a sence will it help the society in any way or the children involved? Is it not the time to know them self (some may say that is what they were doing), some more importent things in life , sex is ,beyond question, a beautiful thing ,but then it may get on you and then you become slave.(some even dont mind it) In short it is "their puragetive"! "

Get some control over the role models. wrote on Apr 18, 2007 12:47 AM:

" It begins with parenting, of course, but sooner or later outside influences and peer pressure sets in. Parents can be the best role models possible and their children still be victimized. There are many more chances they'll be victimized mentally than physically. Parents can control their childrens' exposure to media, but the kids can always find a classmate to visit and play with their toys and media. Parental control diminishes gradually, then rapidly as children approach their teen years. Then, somehow, friends of the kids and cartoon characters seem to be greater experts and music, fashion and movie stars become clayfooted gods to emulate. Have you watched MTV and Entertainment Tonight lately? TV, specially cable and satellite programming are totally out of control. Art imitates life and life imitates art. So, lessee if we can spread the blame a bit and try to find the proper proportions "

Sunday wrote on Apr 17, 2007 11:39 PM:

" My first thought is "kids having kids". I don’t mean age, I mean maturity. The responsibility lies not only with the parents, but also on the shoulders of the kids. As it was stated before, you can only create a foundation for children to grow from. Outside forces can only do so much; ultimately it’s up to the individual on what path they choose. There are people that are having kids that are still kids. It doesn’t matter if your 13 or 30, some people just don’t grow up and SHOULDN’T have kids. *This is my personal belief, not trying to force this on anyone.* It starts with the parents, then the teachers and other adult influences, after all is said and done it comes down to the child and what THEY choose. Do I think this is sad? Yes. But I also have to wonder what society will decide is right 30 years from now or 50 years from now. Right and wrong are what “society” decides at the time. So at this point yes it’s sad and wrong, but who knows how things will change. "

Oh please wrote on Apr 17, 2007 5:03 PM:

" Okay people, get real. It is not always the parents fault. My parents taught me to always do what was right, and guess what, I chose to do what was wrong. Children have to learn that are consequences to there actions. You could sit and tell me all day long that I will get shocked if I stick my finger in a light socket. Guess what, I wont know that until I figure it out. I have noticed that kids are more mature now days then they were when I was growing up, and that wasnt too long ago. I have noticed with my nieces and nephews at there ages now the differences in things. My 13 year old niece doesnt even know what playing house is, but she understands adult t.v. shows? She has very good parents, and it is the outside influences. Everything from school, friends, computer, they make it look like such fun. I have a three year old little girl, and I am terrified to raise her. I hope I can over influence everything else in her life. "

Video wrote on Apr 17, 2007 10:35 AM:

" I'm waiting for the camera phone video. "

Heff wrote on Apr 16, 2007 10:05 AM:

" My opinion is that woman are exploiting themselves to get what they want from men. "

Lay off the Christian, please... wrote on Apr 15, 2007 2:13 PM:

" She was only expressing her own attitude about sex. If we had more examples like her instead of the "role models" we have in the media and many times in homes from parents a lot of our societal ills would go away. "Christian" can be my kid's role model any time! Instead, I'm reading about the "love children" of yore and how we are mere animals in a sea of promiscuity. She did not say she was better...she said she was content in her faith and following it. You can lambast religion all you want and cite sexual misbehavior in churches, but some day you'll be reminiscing about how much nicer it was to hear church bells. Religion is in a crisis because of some sexbapades but, as the story from NORTHERN Louisiana...it's a change in the status quo, not widespread. However, with media flaunting sex just about everywhere, it's no wonder 10 year olds know all about sex but very little about what "Christian" was talking about. "

sounds like the chicago area school and this one have something in common!! wrote on Apr 15, 2007 10:24 AM:

" a article about how the principle and teacher were having sex an unknown politic taped it! I wonder maybe if we leave our kids alone why we couldnt also tape that? BLAME THE PARENT why not they are being blamed all over the world for smoking in front of there kids and killing them second handedly too!! 60"s brought to the world a Liberated, sex, drugs, and rock n roll!! Now parents daily are blamed for issues surrounding. . THEN the parents that so proclaim NOT MY CHILD! (Judge not thee least thee be judged). I would love to see the faces of all parents who believe there child is inocent , finding they really arent! here it becomes the parents problem ,,and not the child. Just like in the principal and teacher case,they did have sex in school (wrong),,, worse is some individual apperently had Idea because they taped it! Which made him just as guilty ,,, hows that for politics? WHAT IF"S happen all too often! That could have been a shooting or stabing as oppose to sex!! Then whos parents are to blame? "

To Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 15, 2007 1:25 AM:

" Who knows? I seldom go down there. Pretty quiet bunch if you did. The only Police activity I saw around here last week was a drug bust out in the middle of the street. In broad daylight even, and the suspect did not even meet the correct Racial Profile. Otherwise, I bet it would have warmed a Conservative heart to see it. "

Lay off the Christian, please. wrote on Apr 14, 2007 11:27 PM:

" She was only expressing her own attitude about sex. If we had more examples like her instead of the "role models" we have in the media and many times in homes from parents a lot of our societal ills would go away. "Christian" can be my kid's role model any time! Instead, I'm reading about the "love children" of yore and how we are mere animals in a sea of promiscuity. She did not say she was better...she said she was content in her faith and following it. You can lambast religion all you want and cite sexual misbehavior in churches, but some day you'll be reminiscing about how much nicer it was to hear church bells. Religion is in a crisis because of some sexbapades but, as the story from NORTHERN Louisians...it's a change in the status quo, not widespread. However, with media flaunting sex just about everywhere, it's no wonder 10 year olds know all about sex but very little about what "Christian" was taling about. "

Goes to show how wrong a blogger can be! wrote on Apr 14, 2007 11:07 PM:

" The person who wrote 'the original meaning of the term Cajun? It referred to slaves who were born in America' ...in this world of no absolutes...is absolutely wrong. Cajun and short for Acadians, FRENCH people who were ousted from Canada and settled along the Eastern US Coast down to along the Gulf Coast. There are many "Cajuns" in Louisiana who with correct you as does this Louisianian. If you don't believe me, call police in Morgan City, Lake Charles, Breaux Bridge, Lafayette, Baton Rouge, Opelousas and a few other south and southwestern Louisiana towns. You might also use the keyword Cajun in an internet search. Re-read the story and find'Spearsville school in rural north Louisiana' which has few 'Cajuns' and is a long way from New Orleans. "

May sound harsh... wrote on Apr 14, 2007 8:41 PM:

" These kids made these decitions. It was NOT the parents, you cant blame TV or music or whatever. The parents should be giving these kids strong moral backgrounds to be up against ideas like these... but how in the world do we know they are not? Even preachers kids do bad things. Do you think the preachers didnt give them the write teachings? These kids are not old enough to be spanked and prayed for. And the girls could use a chasity belt. LOL "

ONLY IN AMERICA- wrote on Apr 14, 2007 8:20 PM:

" Probably comes from the "chocolate society " people wanted !!! "

To Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 14, 2007 5:48 PM:

" ""Florida housing sex offenders under bridge" I thought we moved to your basement. "

AMAZING wrote on Apr 14, 2007 5:39 PM:

" this is amazing. unbelievable. "

Sucks to wrote on Apr 14, 2007 5:24 PM:

" be those parents. What horrible role models they are. What a shame that that will probably carry through with them for the rest of their lives. But then, when you have the principal screwing with all the teachers in his office, maybe it come from role models like that. Society is a piece of crap and will only continue to get worse as each passing day goes on. So, I guess I would expect it again in the future "

teacher wrote on Apr 14, 2007 10:33 AM:

" I have NEVER heard of a teacher, prinicpal, school allowing 5th graders to be left alone. What if one of those kids had a medical problem (like a seizure), or fell, or a fight broke out. What they did is horrible and sick. I pray for them and thier families, but THEY should of NEVER been left alone in the first place. "

The Remedy? wrote on Apr 13, 2007 4:04 PM:

" Easy enough, "Live and Let Live." "

George wrote on Apr 13, 2007 12:01 PM:

" All of you are great at the blamegame.What about a remedy? "

Good parents wrote on Apr 13, 2007 8:46 AM:

" explain things to their kids instead of sheltering the kids from it. This story shows that 5th graders are having sex, so explaining sex to your 3rd graders (or younger) is the only way to help. "

Concerned Mom wrote on Apr 12, 2007 10:51 PM:

" Kids learn what they live. And sadly...those children had to have witnessed that type of behavior and thought it to be the norm. (Or maybe even funny) “We” adults need to take responsibility for our own actions and stop blaming everyone else when something goes wrong. When a tv show seems steamy, turn it off or change the channel. Why can't we be PARENTS? "

justwondering wrote on Apr 12, 2007 5:50 PM:

" Bad parents, bad teachers. What a crock. When you trust your kids judgement when they walk out the door every day, do you wonder if they are going to make the right decisions and choices? Or do you wonder if they are going to go out and have sex? How about you teachers, do you wonder if you taught them right? Come on, put the blame where it belongs. Those kids knew right from wrong. They all knew that you aren't supposed to have sex in school. Movies, t.v. video games, music (id you want to call it that) Put the blame where it belongs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

to:Stop blaming the teacher wrote on Apr 12, 2007 3:09 PM:

" no, we WOULD blame the teacher because THAT person was the one who left 11 and 12 yrd olds unattended. just like a parent/guardian would get blamed for leaving a child unattended. the teacher should be held accountable. the high school assembly was not that important. "

Stop blaming the teacher wrote on Apr 12, 2007 1:54 PM:

" Stop blaming the teacher and start blaming those at fault - the kids and most importantly the parents! "

darius pineda wrote on Apr 12, 2007 1:04 PM:

" I think thats stupid becuse the teacher leaft and teathers shouldent do that "

Bobby wrote on Apr 12, 2007 12:59 PM:

" What is goin on these day man was they white or black? "

To 'A Christian' wrote on Apr 12, 2007 9:22 AM:

" I agree with your sentiments and thoughts. Sex in the right place and time is fine. Kids, teenagers and unmarrieds - it is not the right time or place. If you wait till you're married - until you find someone that committs to a relationship, when they love and cherish you - there is nothing like it. Sex before marriage is like shopping for wedding apparel that others have used, abused and then discarded -Premarital sex uses and abuses peoples bodies and emotions not to mention could be diseased). "

Heaven help us all.... wrote on Apr 12, 2007 9:15 AM:

" Do u suppose that this has anything to do with kids gaming games all the time that contact violence, sex and abuse towards kids, men and women? Do u suppose that this has anything to do with sex being thrown at kids from every direction - from the radio, tv, dvd's, video's, internet and movie theatres? Hmmm - don't expect to pump smut into the kids (and into public in general) and reap contented, peace making, well adjusted people. "

wait a minute? wrote on Apr 12, 2007 8:52 AM:

" I don't recall this article saying anything about "black" people or "cajun" people??? Am I mistaken? I can't WAIT for someone to bring SF into this article. Oh and, ummm....why did the teacher leave, again? And where was the original 5th grade teacher?? I think that we need some more help in the New Orleans area....oh wait...we're too busy helping people NOT in our country...do I need to bring up Iraq, Iran, and Darfur?? "

Gerri wrote on Apr 12, 2007 7:46 AM:

" Is this predictable debate going to accomplish anything? I see lots of speculation and generalized blame of the "usual suspects" and lots of comments that deliberately provoke and polarize. What I don't see are any ideas for action against this problem. Where is an appeal to pray for this kids and their families? What about a individual, private, and realistic review of our personal parenting and grandparenting practices in light of this incident. This unfortunate incident could be used as a way to discuss YOUR values and ideas of proper social behavior with your kids. If you are genuinely upset about situations like this, what suggestions for programs to volunteer time and/or money that help children and parents in our area? Moral indignation and debate on a website is easy, self-serving, and unproductive. Why can't we try to make things better? "

The Core of the Problem wrote on Apr 12, 2007 2:06 AM:

" Dawn wrote: "My son is a 6th grader here and he knows way more then I would like for him too. " Sorry, it is not your life that the boy has to live. His life and his world can never be carbon-copies of any past, even one as recent as your own. If he was only limited to learning what you know and what you like, he would face a sad and crippled existence in an ever-changing world. Also, you might have asked the cop how caring he will be if he ever goes to arrest you kid. But then, of course, no cops are never abusive, are they? "

Dawn wrote on Apr 11, 2007 9:06 PM:

" My son is a 6th grader here and he knows way more then I would like for him too. Unfortunately, most kids get the wrong kind of education at recess and not from their parents. I was talking to a Bloomington Police Officer a couple of weeks ago and was telling him its a shame we can send our kids to school, church or jail because they could be abused physically, mentally and sexually at any of them. "

Free History Lesson wrote on Apr 11, 2007 1:05 PM:

" Actually, the term Cajun is a shortened version of "Acadian." Acadia is now the Canadian provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island. The Acadians were descended mainly from French settlers. These people were expelled from their homes by British forces; many of them settled in Louisiana, where they continued to speak a French dialect. "

bob wrote on Apr 11, 2007 11:03 AM:

" thats grose "

To: Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 11, 2007 9:13 AM:

" W "

To:easy explanation wrote on Apr 10, 2007 11:11 PM:

" Your comment is incredibly racist. Do you know the original meaning of the term Cajun? It referred to slaves who were born in America and as such, were becoming increasingly Americanized. Do you mean to imply that as the descendants of slaves these children are inherently hyper-sexual and deviant and live to party? If not, please clarify because your comment does imply such a belief. The ongoing stereotype of black women as over-sexed animals continues to pervade this country and is clearly evident in comments such as yours and Don Imus'. (And by the way, not that it matters but I'm sure it will be questioned by someone on this post- I am NOT a black woman, just a white woman who tries very hard to understand history and not repeat the historical mistakes of our past). "

easy explanation wrote on Apr 10, 2007 8:31 PM:

" Louisiana....Cajuns.....rural area.....hello! Cajuns are known to party all the time and to live for a good time. Ofcourse those kids have learned sexuality at a young age. More than likely the families never intended for them to actually get an education....this type of behavior is handed down from generation to generation. "

prayer wrote on Apr 10, 2007 6:53 PM:

" prayer does not belong in Public schools. IF parents want their kids to prayer at school send them to a parochial or private school. "

to when i was 11 wrote on Apr 10, 2007 5:08 PM:

" i'm sure your parents are real proud of you. keep that info to your self it is nothing to be proud of. "

Smapdi wrote on Apr 10, 2007 11:57 AM:

" If you think this is about morals, ethics or even sex you're missing the forest for the trees. This is a complete complete systemic breakdown. That a child isn't sitting in his seat awaiting instruction is the problem. And that's not happening because the kid is damaged goods. No discipline, no respect, no common sense, no tact, no concept - or worse yet, a complete disregard - for how to be a decent human being in a civilized world. It is not too much for a child in that age range to know simple behavioral right from wrong (and before anybody tries to say so, religion is NOT the exclusive provider of that information). That these kids are so brazen is the problem, and that's reflective of a completely dysfunctional environment. "

Shocked in BLMN. wrote on Apr 10, 2007 11:02 AM:

" I am shocked and dismayed that these kids know so much about sex at their young age. TV programs can be blocked by parents. Adults can be discreet about their own sexual acts. Parents need to supervise children at all costs. It seems as though children these days fall pray to anything and everything that is negative. I, for one will be praying for all children to be protected by Gods angels so that they become positive and productive adults. "

awful wrote on Apr 10, 2007 10:04 AM:

" This is very sad nad I feel bad for the students. They are so young and they didnt even reach puberty yet. I think the teacher should have notify other teacher in the othe classroom or someone to watch her students. And what are the kids thinkin? I Think the parents need to explain what they have done wrong and teach them some lessons. Parents look after your kids and always be there for them. "

T wrote on Apr 10, 2007 9:59 AM:

" To the BNRepublican No it does not belong in the schools "

sad wrote on Apr 10, 2007 7:38 AM:

" It has everything to do with morals and children today don't have many but then that is because this generation of parents are lacking them also. So sad come on folks teach your children to respect themselves and others. "

gnjaxon wrote on Apr 10, 2007 6:56 AM:

" A 13 year old 5th grader is a symptom of a bad home environment and not of a bad education system. There is likely a breakdown in the influence these parents have on their children. Mr. Schuman is right in that you do not need TV or a movie to see this type of behavior. Some children grow up exposed to this type of behavior in the adults that they are around. They could have picked this up from an older sibling or worse yet seen this from their parent(s). That reality is far more common than any of us would like to admit. "

Let it go. wrote on Apr 9, 2007 6:15 PM:

" None of you were there. All of you are making comments based on what is reported, which may or may not be true. None of you know any of the kids or families involved. None of you will change the other one's mind. You all have your own strong beliefs, which you are entitled to, but let's just let it go. Teach your children the way you want but don't tell anyone else how they should do it. "

to the age comments wrote on Apr 9, 2007 5:15 PM:

" My sister-in-law teaches at a middle school and she said there are kids who have failed 6th grade repeatedly. They arent in any special class either. I think it just has to do w/ the city and the way these kids are raised (obviously) so that in fact would explain this behavior "

TO SAY WHAT wrote on Apr 9, 2007 4:06 PM:

" obviously you dont read them. I dont find any humor in what was written there...and I agree w/ that statement...why dont you read it again "

Type of class. wrote on Apr 9, 2007 3:51 PM:

" If this were a class of challenged children, it would help to explain the large range in ages. It also would help explain a diminished capacity to discern right from wrong. "

to say what? wrote on Apr 9, 2007 1:53 PM:

" I'm not really sure what is so funny??? Please do tell... "

SAY WHAT? wrote on Apr 9, 2007 1:42 PM:

" "a bunch of hateful and uncaring people" Do you ever actually READ these posts? ROFL! "

Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 9, 2007 1:40 PM:

" "Yes, there are some absolutes, such as the issue of molesting children". Not even close. Not historically, please note the recent creation of the special category of "childhood". Prior to which, age 12 was pretty much de facto maturity. Remember the Christian preference for early teen girls as wives? Oh, another "stereotype"? Well, then, lets consider the language of your "absolute" - "molesting children" "Children" by your definition includes anyone one falling between 0 and 21 years old, regardless of interests, habits or experience. "Molesting" includes just about anything you decide to sy it is. So "Children" = a vague stereotype and NOT ABSOLUTE + "Molesting" = a very, very vague stereotype and NOT ABSOLUTE to become "Molesting Children" whatever that means being anyone's guess, but still being ABSOLUTELY NOT ABSOLUTE. "

Watch out! wrote on Apr 9, 2007 12:20 PM:

" Just think about how this generation of kids will be when they get older, I thought I was a bad seed.....they're 13 and already passing thiers on! "

you sure dont wrote on Apr 9, 2007 11:55 AM:

" I'm not sure...I dont feel like wasting my short time here on earth trying to figure it out to be honest. I'm not even sure there needs to be a purpose. I just know w/o christianity in the world, our world would be a bunch of hateful and uncaring people and no one would have anything to believe in. And people wouldnt believe there would be consequences for their actions here on earth. I just dont feel the need to buy into all of it...I just want to be a good person so people remember me that way when I'm gone, but I'm not saying that christianity is a bad thing...its like a grown-ups santa clause ya know? And it gives people peace of mind when their loved ones die...they then can believe they are in a better place. Its a neat concept really... "

To you sure dont wrote on Apr 9, 2007 10:44 AM:

" I have a question......what is the purpose of your life? I've been asking myself that quesiton.....why are we here?? "

Justice! wrote on Apr 9, 2007 7:03 AM:

" We are above 115 posts we demand justice, we should be on the most commneted on boards! Justice we say! This puppies got legs folks. Outrage, Politics, Religion, Social and moral failures we are spanning grand crevases here let keep it up! "

to michael schumann part 2 wrote on Apr 9, 2007 5:12 AM:

" Actually, when I was talking about being sexual, I was speaking with regards to having sexual desires for the opposite sex. I guarantee it is NOT natural for children to have sexual feelings for the opposite sex under a certain age. I am sure that is probably liberalist propaganda. Michael obviously has junk memes of his own; sex is actually bad on some levels,(the propagation of disease among the populace). Yes, there are some absolutes, such as the issue of molesting children. That is definately an absolute rule and if you disagree with it , then you are sick. Another absolute would be stealing in most circumstances. The list could go on and on. And burn someone at the stake? Foolishness. That, again, is another stereotype of the faith. "

Yuck wrote on Apr 8, 2007 11:48 PM:

" I remember when I was in 5th grade. I'd never kissed a boy and I believe I was still playing with Barbies... oh how times have changed. I'm no angel and I certainly lost my virginity too young, but what is going on here? Pretty soon we're going to hear about toddlers smoking crack and having sex. Why do 5th graders even know how to have sex? That's just too disturbing to think about. "

you sure dont wrote on Apr 8, 2007 7:22 PM:

" have to be religious to raise kids I agree. I do not believe in religion and god and such and I have some wonderful kids and we all have morals and respect for others. "

ha wrote on Apr 8, 2007 7:17 PM:

" I didnt even know what sex was in 5th grade...kids are getting sexually active younger these days...and fast. (I'm only 24) And to the person who said that people that look back on the past and their sexual partners arent happy today and live in the past and blah blah...thats crap. You shouldnt talk anymore...period "

Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 7, 2007 5:49 PM:

" "And as much as I don't want to agree with Mike S" Take comfort in the fact that you are not so much agreeing with me as accepting a fact of Nature. Raising good kids is very hard work. Accepting them on their own terms seems to be even harder for most people. Let's hope your five have learned this trick as well from your example. "

part 2 just wondering wrote on Apr 7, 2007 4:22 PM:

" So Quit blaming the schools and the parents. And as much as I don't want to agree with Mike S., It is true, if you would do some research, children ARE sexually active when they are born. Ask your family doctor or a sex education teacher. It's natural. I don't condone what these kids were doing, so ask yourself, what are your children doing when they walk out the door? "

justwondering wrote on Apr 7, 2007 4:17 PM:

" My husband and I raised five sons and we both worked. We didn't have a choice. It's wasn't exactly cheap baack then either. And yes, having five children was a choice we made, not an accident. All of them are doing just finein their respective business and married life. We didn't ask for any handouts from government or anybody else either. As I said, we raised them, not the schools. Also we were not exactly what you ould call a religious family. We went to church on very rare accasions. You don't have to be religious to raise kids. "

Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 7, 2007 10:16 AM:

" Oh yes, there is a meme to follow: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto to you." or "Love Thy neighbor as Thyself". There are also memes to reject "Sex is bad!" (evil, nasty, dirty, unnatural, etc.) sticks out here. Oh, and add your sex=rape rant to the junk meme list. Children as property is another oldie and moldy meme. Absolutes? Who gets to pick them and impose them on everyone else? You? I do not think so. So we go back to the Golden Rule. As for my knowledge of "Christianity", the problem is not knowing too little, it is knowing far to much. I know, for instance that Jesus did not teach hate. I know in that regard that most of you do not "fall off the ladder". No, you break up the ladder for kindling when you want to burn someone at the stake. "

to HMMM wrote on Apr 7, 2007 10:09 AM:

" Let me see if I got this right. It is not the parents fault the children were exposed to this kind of deviance? You think the school system should raise the children because the parents wont? If that is the case, then let me fill you in on a secret. That is called baby sitting. Wait, that is why the publice school system is failing, because people like you are expecting teachers to raise your kids because you wont. If you want teachers to baby sit, your kids then pay the teacher the going rate of baby sitting, what is it now $10 an hour. If so that would mean a teacher who has 150 kids for 8 hours a day for 180 days would make 2,160,000 a year. I can guarentee you NO ONE would leave his classroom if they were paid that kind of money babysitting. But the real issue here is the parents did not do thier jobs in the first place neither did the teacher for that matter. "

Sexual Chilren wrote on Apr 7, 2007 9:52 AM:

" I was sexual from age 6. That was the first time I was sexually abused by my father. After that it was all I could think of. With children exposed to irresponsible parenting, either by their attitudes, actions, or lack of actions, it's not surprising that many children are sexually active. Parents, love and respect your children. They are fragile, prescious gifts. "

To Deborah wrote on Apr 7, 2007 8:03 AM:

" My brother-in-law and wife believe in having sex only if they want to have a baby. I think they have missed out on one of the greatest pleasures in life. I know that is different from kids having sex, but your religious tirades seem unreasonable to me. Kids learn their attitudes from their parents. If you treat sex with respect, it isn't evil. Condemming others is evil. "

to xavier breath wrote on Apr 7, 2007 7:56 AM:

" Happy Easter my brother. My God is loving, and forgiving. Believe in his Son and ask to be forgiven. That simple. Take a leap of Faith and we'll see you upstairs down the road. "

ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A FIFTH GRADER? wrote on Apr 7, 2007 7:51 AM:

" GREAT SHOW!!! "

to Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 7, 2007 7:21 AM:

" It looks like Michael Schmanns remarks fit along with a pedophiles paradigms. Children are sexual from birth? What kind of madness is that? Where is the indisputible scientific evidence? I guess he read too much Freud, or done too much coke. Liberalism is the new mass neuroticism plaguing this generation. Moral relativism is the newest myth of the present day. There must be absolutes, or the society would decay into a bizarre and twisted anarchy. To Michael, there will always be memes to follow, general social rules to guide the people making up the superorganism. If you dont believe me, go do your research. There are always taboos. You cant just go rape someones child because you "feel" the urge for example. And if you read the new testament, christians dont go and stone the wrongful. Forgiveness is the actual creed. Now no one is perfect, we all fall of the ladder of rightousness, but to judge christians on your incomplete knowledge of the bible is ludicrous. If you claim to be an intellect Michael, start acting like one! "

To Bethany wrote on Apr 7, 2007 3:02 AM:

" If you think just bringing children into this world will just add to the problem. You should not be allowed to have children. Life is all about choices and parenting is all choice. You can let your children raise themselves in front of a TV or you can choose to assist in their learning and development. The children obviously swayed by negative peer pressure to act in way they should not have. "

Bethany wrote on Apr 6, 2007 9:31 PM:

" I originally read this article on CNN's website and it just made me sick. I honestly started crying and just fearing for children in the world. I am only 20 years old and I want to have children of my own, but standing back and looking at the world, it would be selfish to bring a child into this disaster. I know that raising a child right has a lot to do with it, but there is still so much you can't keep them from. This happened at a place of "education". How ridiculous and sad. God help us! "

MS to To: MS wrote on Apr 6, 2007 9:27 PM:

" Boo! "

Bethany wrote on Apr 6, 2007 9:14 PM:

MRS.MACKEY wrote on Apr 6, 2007 9:11 PM:

" THIS DON'T MAKE NO SINCE. THE KIDS ARE TO YOUNG TO BE THINKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT ANYWAY. THE PARENTS ARE NOT DOING SOMETHING RIGHT. IF I WAS EVERY COUGHT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT NOW OR BACK WHEN I WAS YOUNGER I WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH OUT SEX FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. BUT THE KIDS SHOULD KNOW THAT IT'S NOT RIGHT THEY SHOULD'NT BE SENT TO A JUVENILE CENTER. "

when i was 11 wrote on Apr 6, 2007 8:44 PM:

" i was having sex with my 15 year old neighbor - what's the problem? "

The teacher. . . wrote on Apr 6, 2007 8:22 PM:

" should be fired for leaving the class alone. I'm an educator. I'm liable for what happens to the students when they are in my class. At the very least, this teacher should be fired for neglected his/her supervision duties to go to an assembly. "

To: Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 6, 2007 7:23 PM:

" I have read several of your posts on this and other topics. Let's see, you defend child sex offenders and feel that 11 year old children having sex is "natural". Wow. Scary. "

UNbelievable! wrote on Apr 6, 2007 6:45 PM:

" These kids and the rising generation as a whole don't have fear of consequence. When I was in school little more than 10 years ago those of us who valued life would not dare be a party to anything that was not appropriate enough to be done in the presence of any parent/ault. Furthermore it was unheard of to leave a class unattended more that 5 minutes w/o supervision being provided in the 1st place. What they need is a good introduction to the belt!! Then some etiquette/integrity classes. Kids do not know to or care to do the right thing even when no one is looking, it is that mentality which has to be changed. "

Xavier Breath wrote on Apr 6, 2007 5:49 PM:

" For those that believe the Bible is the infallible word of your personal God there can be no debate as to the punishment to be administered to the fornicating 4. They are to be “Stoned to Death”, in the village center, at the hand of their Fathers’ and neighbors’. Your God demands death for each of several infractions committed by these sinful children. Big fan of capital punishment that all loving, all forgiving God of yours. Gather your stones ye Christian faithful; there’s Gods work to be done. "

whats going on?? wrote on Apr 6, 2007 3:28 PM:

" did some 11 year old just say they had sex with a 16 year old neihbor?? uhhh, where are your parents?? "

To: Don't Laugh about it wrote on Apr 6, 2007 3:08 PM:

" I wasn't really laughing. It's a sad fact of society. These young people don't realize the seriousness of sex and think they are invulnerable to the consequences of their actions. The girl gets pregnant and the boy disappears and the tax payer ends up getting stuck with the bill. Children at this age are naturally curious about sex. It's a very normal part of life but kids need to know that great responsibility comes with sex. They need to know that consequences for those few moments of pleasure can alter their lives forever. "

HUH??? wrote on Apr 6, 2007 1:18 PM:

" 13 year old 5th grader???? "

Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 6, 2007 1:14 PM:

" It is not the story that is funny. It is the way that the so-called adults react that is a hoot. Felony charges are a joke in this case. But seeing this episode as a "Sign of the End Times"? So who started the giggling? Imagine, kids in a grade school responding to a taunt or a dare to play "Show Me." Sex!!!! The adults are swinging from the trees. Now, had the little dears just beat an unpopular student, shared drugs or exchanged tactical nuclear weapons, we most likely would not even see it on the news. Americans have no sense of proportion any more. Ditto on a sound ability to set priorities. "

Dictionaries wrote on Apr 6, 2007 1:01 PM:

" Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source is /ɪz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[iz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –verb 1. 3rd pers. sing. pres. indic. of be. —Idiom 2. as is. as1 (def. 25). [Origin: bef. 900; ME, OE; c. D is, ON es, er, G, Goth ist, L est, Gk estí, OCS jestĭ, Skt asti] Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. And yet another reason that English is NOT the easiest of languages for adult ESL students. "

to Deborah wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:51 AM:

" **yawn** Thanks for reminding me why I stopped going to church... well one of the reasons anyway. "

to Old-Schooled wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:50 AM:

" The trouble with most parental sex ed is that it consists of "don't do it." That's how teenagers become parents and end up with HIV. "

Don't laugh about it wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:28 AM:

" Come on people.. Making a joke out of this is immature.. maybe you are just like the 5th graders... "

Hey: wrote on Apr 6, 2007 8:16 AM:

" New welfare recipients gotta come from somewhere. "

scott wrote on Apr 6, 2007 6:27 AM:

" we dont know these kids were having sex. probably an exagerated headline. They may have been down on their knees,( helloo monica) and just playing president. Ahh the clinton years. so to dictionary. what is the definition of is? "

Dictionaries wrote on Apr 6, 2007 12:22 AM:

" Are a Good Thing. Used to be you could always get one on CD with a new computer. They weren't much, but they beat the My Weekly Reader versions most people have at home. Word-A-Day calendars are pretty good too. On-line versions of dictionaries are everywhere. Of course, at the end of the day, comprehension grows best with exposure to the written word in context. So keep on reading and looking things up. They are useful and worthwhile habits. "

A 5th grader(11years old) wrote on Apr 5, 2007 10:29 PM:

" i think it was amazing they did they did that, usually i have to do it at home with my 16 year old neighbor thats amazing. i wonder if it was good. "

Just Me wrote on Apr 5, 2007 9:41 PM:

" No one has commented on how quickly this event occurred. It noted that they were left alone for about 15 minutes. Wow, that is fast! Was it pre-planned or spur of the moment? "

brains schuman wrote on Apr 5, 2007 9:29 PM:

" wow schumann,with babbling like that you must be a professor of some type.i'm still looking up some of your words in the dictionary "

Jasmine wrote on Apr 5, 2007 8:24 PM:

" This story has touched me in a way that I cannot explain. I think it is incredible...things you hear about in the news and things you see on an everyday basis. But this story was not shocking - can you believe -this sort of behavior among the youth seems to have become second nature...It has made me incredibly sad. These kids knew exactly what they were doing....there had no shame...right in front of the whole class...Do not blame the teacher. They SHOULD be able to leave their classrooms without worrying about everybody trying to have sex...or maybe not...but as far as home training goes, parents can only do so much. The school can only do so much....honestly Im not sure what you can say to these kids to get them to take this stuff seriously. Thats the saddest part... "

To Lucy: wrote on Apr 5, 2007 4:45 PM:

" Me too. I about fell outta my chair when I read that. It wasn't even tastefully covered up with $%^#&! "

Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 5, 2007 3:53 PM:

" "Florida housing sex offenders under bridge" Top Story on CNN RIGHT NOW! This is where your morals, ethics and intellect are taking us, If you can see it as "right', then you are no rational human being, however "Christian" you may otherwise be. "

Laughing Bones wrote on Apr 5, 2007 2:56 PM:

" Keep it going folks and we can get this one on the most commented board and get those damned Naked Brothers off! It's all their fault anyway...Naked Bros. come on already. What is next dirty rotten ditch diggers unite! I'm telling you it's got legs. Go to the zoo birds do it...lets fall in love! "

Deborah wrote on Apr 5, 2007 2:43 PM:

" Take the Ten Commandments out and this is what you get. This is not a physical matter. It's a result of a complete disconnection for many generations from our maker. There are boundaries for humans. We are not animals. We are humans. There is great safety inside the boundaries given by our Lord from these such acts and all diseases that come from these kinds of acts. The Bible tells us that if you abide by my Word I will protect you. It is promised. For those of you who ignore it, you will reap the consequences whether you think you will or not. The Bible says the way is narrow and I am seeing that more and more each day. If there is ever a time that the Christians should be strong is now. Do not give in to this world. I encourage you. The spirit of Jezebel is trying to attach itself to anyone and anything it can. That is why sex is so open as it is in this day. The Bible says to resist the devil and he will flee. He also warns my people perish for a lack of knowledge "

Michael Schuammn wrote on Apr 5, 2007 2:24 PM:

" "Rational thought may be a key ingredient lacking in your theory." Hardly. I can quite rationally accept the "Golden Rule". It is all about behavior in relationship to others. No, I oppose your emotive-intuitive brand of "spiritual" thinking exactly because it is reflexive and not rational. Your elaborate frills only serve to cloud the issues. I also object to your collective self-righteousness. Learn to practice even part of what you preach and get back to me. Humans, by the way, are NOT top-of-the-food-chain predators. Show me the muscle, claws and fangs. We are scavenging omnivores in the natural order, and quite weak and frail compared to most "prey" species one-on-one. Our mental abilities evolved to offset these limits. Any other use we turn them to is secondary, and subjective. "

Lucy wrote on Apr 5, 2007 2:17 PM:

" It really surprises me that "God d......." got through the censors. That's a bit overboard. I am offended. "

hmm wrote on Apr 5, 2007 2:11 PM:

" being a virgin... or christian has nothing to do with any of this.... silly... neither does sex ed... sometimes the school has to take care of it cuz parents dont... not all fifth graders are haveing sex.... dont generalize....stuff happens.... its all on tv... how do you think they figure this stuff out... its not the parents fault... but it deffinately could have been prevented by the teacher "

To: A Christian wrote on Apr 5, 2007 2:02 PM:

" You sound like the only well adjusted person posting anything here. When you hear people say things like "those were the best years of my life", it means they're living in the past, are probably very unhappy now, and no doubt in therapy made necessary by all of those "great times" they had when they were younger. "

Amutt wrote on Apr 5, 2007 1:55 PM:

" And you think iraq is a stink hole "

My Dear Mr Schumann wrote on Apr 5, 2007 1:23 PM:

" Please notice the configuration of the eyes on a human being. The placement of the eyes indicates that we are predators, not prey. Yet, somehow, day after day, the majority of us exercize enough self control and supress the urge to violently prey on the weak and helpless. Those that will not practice this self control are held accountable (if caught). To say that we have a natural sex drive may be correct. But what differs us from the rest of the animal kingdon is our ability to use rational thought and self control and conduct ourselves accordingly. Rational thought may be a key ingredient lacking in your theory. The next time anyone witnesses two 5th graders going at it, just "hose em down" like you would a pair of dogs in your back yard-right Mr. Shcumann? After all, they was just acting naturally. "

Child free by choice wrote on Apr 5, 2007 1:11 PM:

" Reason number 53 to not have children "

Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 5, 2007 1:02 PM:

" I am very pleased to see that my posts are having such a profound impact. All the better to know that it is making some of you queasy as well. I suspect that this his is most likely due to cognitive dissonance, your brain warring with itself over what you "know" versus what you believe. I happen to understand the concept of morality quite well. As a secular humanist I also understand that it is largely relative, dependent on time and culture. You want to see it in absolutes but fail to come anywhere near your own ideals. Sadly, the Pantagraph coddles most of you and will not post my harsher (but quite accurate) assessments of your hypocrisy. "

What? wrote on Apr 5, 2007 12:55 PM:

" Be a Christian.....We are sexual beings from birth....Hello! What about self control? Fine, nowadays 11 year olds are "doing it". There is nothing we can do to stop that. However, the excuse that we are animalistic sexual beings is pretty lame too. How about a little self-control! Or even accountability? Even people over 18 and people that are married would still practice a little self control, and wouldn't just start going at it in front of a group of children! You don't have to be a Christian to practice self control. "

Old-Schooled wrote on Apr 5, 2007 12:03 PM:

" I keep seeing a common theme here-we need more sex education in schools. I don't believe that to be true. I grew up before sex education was in schools. That subject was taught by parents AS IT SHOULD BE. Parents can be the best judge of when the subject should be taught, can teach it on a personal level, and can make their point more clearly than a classroom teacher. Parents can gauge when their children are "old" enough to start pro-creating, and can educate them at the proper time. Just because someone hits the 4th grade, does not mean that they are ready to understand and comprehend withoug giggling. It is also possible that they should have been taught earlier if the situation warrents it. Parent are the primary educators of their children. Why do we keep pushing OUR responsibilities on to someone else an then trying to hold THEM responsible for OUR failures. PS-Mr. Schumann-you make me ill. "

To: A Christian wrote on Apr 5, 2007 10:22 AM:

" I feel sorry for you. You are a prisoner of your own belief system. We live about 80 years of we are lucky. from about 16 to 30 are the best of those years and I look back and smile when I think of all the fun and incredible partners I had during those years. You will look back and remember what? Breaking out your NIV Study Bible every Saturday night and watching some Seventh Heaven? For the love of all that is holy loosen up. Virginity is not a gift from God, LIFE is a gift from God. Enjoy it for a change. Most guys find virgins a bit creepy. Especially 22 year old virgins. It cracks me up how you think you are so pure, and other girls are not. "

Fulltime Parent wrote on Apr 5, 2007 10:17 AM:

" It is amazing as to how many educated dammed fools like layers, doctors, psychiatrist, psychologist, child experts and others, are now going to tell us with many empty words as to what is happening with these children. I agree that kids ought to be supervised; however, this is a fundamental home problem with delinquent and or absent parents. These kids are the adults in their home. It’s a God damn shame on those kids parents. "

A Christian wrote on Apr 5, 2007 10:14 AM:

" dont feel sorry for me... i am happy to be a virgin... you guys may think our best year for sex is before you turn 30 but i know God will bless me for waiting... and for the people quoting the bible on here you are taking be fruitful and multiply out of context... you need to learn to take things in context maybe read that part of the bible and see that God meant that for a husband and wife not for everyone to just start having sex whenever they want to... "

Hippiness wrote on Apr 5, 2007 9:44 AM:

" I was raised in a communal "hippie" fashion. Our grouped shared all the energies that surrounded our community. It was beautiful. Life should be this way the creators creatures great and small sharing al the words energies. Love was encouraged and supported by our elders at a very early age. "

To: A Christian wrote on Apr 5, 2007 8:51 AM:

To: A Christian wrote on Apr 5, 2007 8:36 AM:

Its not about religion wrote on Apr 5, 2007 8:27 AM:

" Leave that crap out of it. This is the result of just plain stupid kids. Kids that do this kind of thing are not afraid of consequnces because they never face any. They probably walk all over their parents at home and have no fear of punishment. Well, after this they might. "

Boot them all wrote on Apr 5, 2007 8:23 AM:

" The 13 year old is no doubt a half retarded bully who has been held back 2 or 3 times. He probably coerced the others into it with the help of his moron sidekick. Bully's always have a sidekick. I just feel sorry for the students in the class who were there and forced to watch this. It is something that will shape them in some way. The kids who took place in this should all be expelled. "

no parents wrote on Apr 5, 2007 8:11 AM:

" thats what happens when no parents are around to tend their children the school raises them or their friends or daycares or at this age themselves!! i see it happen all the time the parents work long hours maybe they have to but what time they do have to spend with their child they probably dont otherwise kids will be premiscous or whatever drugs you name it!!! "

no virgin kids!!! wrote on Apr 5, 2007 8:06 AM:

" i guarantee this was not their first time having sex!!! i would almost bank on that!! so it goes back to the kids!!! and what is going on?but the school in this case should be responsible for no supervision maybe their was other kids in there who were pure and trust me people, my daughter has a girl in her 3rd grade class wearing make up mini skirts and kisses the boys and lord knows what else? things most hookers wouldnt wear this child wears!! like high heeled boots and miniskirts it happens kids are having sex way too early!makes me mad!!!! "

YadaYada wrote on Apr 5, 2007 2:34 AM:

" If they smoked afterwards, they will be expelled for sure! "

To "a Christian" wrote on Apr 5, 2007 2:02 AM:

" In all actuality, we ARE animals: Here's how we are classified (from Genus Species to Kingdom) : Homo Sapien, Primata, Mammalia, Vertebrata, Animalia. That's by the scientific community, which is actually filled with people of many religions, Christianity included. You're right, we should think before we act, but not everyone has the apparent self discipline you do. We are sexual beings, here to be fruitful and multiply. we SHOULD teach our children how to be CAREFUL (which is not the same as teaching them HOW to have sex). Maybe its just me, but I don't want to see any more pregnant 15 or 16 year olds than I have to. The fact of the matter is, while I applaud you for your resolve, you have no right to try to force your sexual beliefs on any one else (most likely, an adolescent is not going to listen to you anyway); just like I can't make you listen to how great I think sex is (and trust me, you're missing out), I also don't want to have to tell you WHY virginty has always been preached by the church. "

Laura wrote on Apr 5, 2007 2:00 AM:

" I read a study on while doing my undergrad and it talked about how our children are sexually maturing earlier and earlier particularly minorities (hispanic and african american girls hit puberty earlier on average than whites). They went on to talk about the consequences of this and how many children were engaging in sex acts at a much younger age long before sex ed is taught in schools. I think this is a shining example of that. If you aren't talking to your kids about sex before 5th grade how exactly are your 5th graders supposed to have a moral yardstick to measure it by? Add to that the old addage that if kids aren't given something constructive to do they will find something to do on their own...likely destructive to do and you have a recipe for disaster. It's important to remember that sexually mature or not these are preteens. They don't tend to make healthy choices for themselves by definition. They never should have been left unsupervised. I vote for social change (we need sex ed... real sex ed at a younger age) and a healthy dose of blame on the school. JMO "

Thanks to Michael Shumann wrote on Apr 5, 2007 1:55 AM:

" This story and your comments have exposed you for the true liberal you are sir. I have taken notice of your witless, self serving responses in the past and thought you were a flaming lib; your replies on this matter prove it. Sir it is obvious that you have no children or you would understand the definition of a moral compass. Since you do not know the term I am not wasting my time to explain it to you. Maybe Mr. Shumann someday you will develop one along with a dose of decency. At this point in time you lack both. "

13 in the 5th Grade? wrote on Apr 5, 2007 1:50 AM:

" Well do the math and you will see that these are obviously not your average 5th grade students. This is yet another example of the teachers unions failing to provide adequate education in public schools. Had the teachers have been doing their jobs maybe the 5th grade would be occupied by 10 and 11 year olds as it should be and not by teenagers. The blame here to should fall on the teachers and school administration. How does a classroom become unoccupied and allowing the opportunity for acts like these to take place? Are there no hall monitors or attendence keepers that would miss this many kids from a scheduled class? I dont understand how this many kids in a grammar school can cut class and congregate in a deserted class room for an orgy. Where are the teachers and administrators? Just more proof that public schools and the teachers unions are failing this country. "

to the 22 yr old wrote on Apr 5, 2007 1:43 AM:

" virginity is a gift from God that nobody wants to keep. "

Yeah...someone is wrote on Apr 5, 2007 12:38 AM:

" responsible for this...........those kids!!! I don't care how much TV they've watched, how many movies they've seen or which sex-ed classes they've attended, what their parents have either taught or shown them is acceptable behavior or what their friends are doing....THEY made the decision to do this and they and the 'lookout' should be the ones wholly held responsible. "

person of interest wrote on Apr 4, 2007 11:17 PM:

" my 5th grade teacher, sister mary agnesita, never would have allowed that. probably because there were close to 70 in the class & THEY WERE ALL BOYS !!! "

A Christian wrote on Apr 4, 2007 11:12 PM:

" I am 22 and a virgin... this story scares me... the comments scare me... we are not animals... we need morals... Yes we are all sexual but that doesnt mean we should all be out having sex at the age of 11 or at the age of 13... and no we shouldnt tell girls to get with boys who arent going to use them for sex a fwe times and then leave we need to teach them to wait for the right person... they person they are married to before they have sex... virginity is a gift from God and we should hold that dear and not give it up to anyone who comes along... i have kept myself pure waiting for the right person and if i can do it anyone can... maybe we should think about teaching teens to wait to have sex in stead of teaching them how to... no i am not saying everyone should be a Christian and never have sex i am just saying we should think before we act "

Illya wrote on Apr 4, 2007 8:11 PM:

" TO: Michael. Sadly Michael, you are the one who just doesn't get it. It is our moral standards and behaviors that separates us from the animals. Animalistic behavior is the result of having no moral standards - like these children exemplify. "

Here you go wrote on Apr 4, 2007 8:09 PM:

" We really can not hold the school responsible for the moral upbringing of these kids. Parents are responsible for that. They are also responsible for what these kids are exposed to while in their care. What else do we expect with all the inappropriate material the kids watch, listen and read about. THe media is just as bad for "promoting" such filth. On the other hand, that teacher will lose his job. He knew he was to watch those kids... been doing that for a while sounded like, and he up and left the kids... Personally the teacher should be sued.. not the school. "

Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 4, 2007 7:27 PM:

" TO: To:Michael Schumann: Yes, "Moral and ethical crap". And, NO, kids do not need to see TV or anything else in order to learn that most adults behave just as if morals and ethics have no meaning or consequence. Parents teach "Don't do this and don't do that" and then do all this and and that and worse. I need feel no remorse for being human or for pointing out your own hypocrisy in trying to pretend that you are somehow "above and beyond" stupid human tricks. "

Civil Unions! wrote on Apr 4, 2007 6:15 PM:

" I agree with 'Animal Lover,' lets all just de-evolve into monkeys. Lets all just do whatever we want because we feel like it. Let same genders marry. Let little kids have sex while their classmates cheer them on. If your 10 year old gets pregnant, just take them to the abortion clinic! Or why even send kids to school for that matter?! Just plant them in front of MTV! It's pretty close to what these kids were doing anyways. We don't need religeon to give us morals, we'll just make up our own! Hillary Clinton for president! "

Wondering wrote on Apr 4, 2007 6:04 PM:

" Since this "crime" is a felony, "corrupted" the young and was sexually oriented, doesn't the current witch-hunt mentality require that these kids be registered and marked for the rest of their lives as sexual predators? Current "logic seems to insist on it. "

To:Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 4, 2007 5:19 PM:

" Moral and ethic crap? No wonder our kids are having sex in public and at such a young age. Great attitude hippie. Lets hurl our crap at eachother like monkeys while we're disregarding ethic behavior under the pretense of 'nature' and 'curiosity.' "

. wrote on Apr 4, 2007 5:15 PM:

" My guess is this is not the first time these "children" went down this road. As far as the other students in the room that did nothing to stop this behavior or get an adult authority figure they are as much to blame as anyone else involved! "

just wondering wrote on Apr 4, 2007 4:37 PM:

" Oh yes, I forgot to add, have you watched some of the cartoons that are made for kids? Some contain violence and yes, sex. "

just wondering wrote on Apr 4, 2007 4:32 PM:

" To Jennifer: I was just asking a question. I'm not what you would call a liberal. Please don't tell me that the kids are not getting a lot of thses ideas from T.V. and movies. It has nothing to do with me being a liberal. It was just a thought. "

For the love of God! wrote on Apr 4, 2007 4:31 PM:

" We demand the truth we need videos, is there proof it happened. Kids are tricky what if it's really just an April Fools joke gone bad? I have to agree I would be very concerned about the exhibitionism displayed here. The question about the type of class is interesting are you suggesting the mentally challenged are hyper-sexual then. Interesting hypothesis. If it was my kids I would feel that I had somehow not done my job as their Father or Mother in this situation. I would be devastated for my child. "

More to the story? wrote on Apr 4, 2007 3:23 PM:

" What kind of class was this? Could it have been a class of behavioral challenged or learning challenged? "

Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 4, 2007 3:10 PM:

" In a classroom is probably better than in an abandoned building with less chance of adult interference and a higher risk of a gang rape. "

To Michael wrote on Apr 4, 2007 2:35 PM:

" You are right, forget the moral argument here. And I'm all for sex ed too. But, if you had an 11 year old daughter, would you not find it disturbing that she's having sex in front of her classmates? I think that is what the "angst" is about now, not just the young age of the children involved. "

To Michael wrote on Apr 4, 2007 2:26 PM:

" Good point. This stuff was going on when I was that age in the 80's. It happens, but usually kids don't get caught. All out of curiosity at first. I think as far as sex ed, we need to really stress to girls they should be very restrictive of who they will have sex with, because most of the boys just want to use them, and don't try to make it pleasurable for the girl at all. But girls have sex because it does in fact many times lead to a long term boyfriend who does actually care about them. Girls just need to be careful to find that type of guy. "

Jimmy O. wrote on Apr 4, 2007 2:26 PM:

" Along with a flock of roaches and a gang of dirty, hooded, Mesopatamian evildoers, I'm going to let these kids go in your 'good' Christian households. BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!!!! "

Animal Lover wrote on Apr 4, 2007 2:10 PM:

" I think this is great! We are all really just monkies anyhow. Little monkies exploring is just the same as big monkies doin it. I mean come on folks haven't you ever been to a zoo. You let your kids watch the animals get it on there Right? At least there was class parcipitation! "

Jennifer wrote on Apr 4, 2007 2:06 PM:

" To To Just Wondering - No liberal would condone this. But it's good that you have someone to blame. "

Michael Schumann wrote on Apr 4, 2007 1:54 PM:

" You people who post all this moral and ethical crap just do not get it. Humans are sexual animals. Children are sexual from birth and are NOT bound by your peculiar hangups by nature. Curiosity, on the other hand, they do come pre-equiped with and retain until the system beats it out of them. Considering also the fact that "good" Christians used to think it was just fine to marry a 14 year old girl off to a middle-aged man, I cannot see your angst now. Good nutrition makes kids mature sooner. Curiosity leads to experimentation. Looks to me like "Just Say NO" had better give way to really good sex education classes. "

Meg wrote on Apr 4, 2007 1:40 PM:

" To "To Meg" - That really made no sense. And I didn't call anyone a liberal in disguise. Simply put, it's plain silly to believe that Christians are better than those with other beliefs. It's also silly to believe that all Christians feel that they are better that those with other beliefs. (Some do, for sure, but sweeping generalizations rarely make people sound smart). "

Guy wrote on Apr 4, 2007 1:37 PM:

" Please stop with the religious arguments. Whether Christian, Jew, Muslim or Athiest you have to see this as disturbing.(although I hear the cliche "Blame tv" crowd come out) Sex is something I never even knew existed in 5th grade. I hope the parents treat these kids like my parents did me when I was their age......where's that belt...... "

To:Just wondering wrote on Apr 4, 2007 1:32 PM:

" The parents are the ones who let thier 11 eyar old kids watch MTV, go tanning, have their little thongs hanging out and do whatever they want. This kids didn't learn this behavior is school. Way to go liberals! This is the kind of freedom you've asked for and now you've got it! "

The nerve: Conserative wrote on Apr 4, 2007 1:32 PM:

" I for one am appalled at this! Where in the world do these children get these ideas from? I cannot believe the level to which our moral decay has reached. Our nations leader both secular and religious are scadalous at best lying to the constituants all of them. I am just appalled. Where have we gone wrong with our youth? "

Jeff Foxworthy wrote on Apr 4, 2007 1:30 PM:

" Are you smarter than a 5th grader! "

re: Just Wondering wrote on Apr 4, 2007 1:29 PM:

" You say "Everything is not always the parents fault." Yes. It is. You can't have children and expect society to raise them. I agree there is a lot of smut on TV, but it's a parent's responsibility to monitor a child's TV viewing and instill proper values. The parents in this situation obviously aren't doing their jobs. "

MRS. wrote on Apr 4, 2007 12:53 PM:

" TO:Never too early - :P: Well just keep laughing. I wouldn't say only Christians have common sense and are moral tho

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