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" "scenario 1: a woman who is a hooker by trade is sitting at home, someone breaks in and violently rapes her as she tries unsuccessfully to fend him off and screams for help. scenario 2: an innocent virgin is out on her night off at a bar, goes home with a nice-looking guy, has more drinks with him, they start making out, they get naked, all the while she is encouraging him, then at the last second just as he is about to make the "penetration", she whispers "no, wait", but he doesn't stop and the penetration is completed. " Does this make it justice now in your eyes? Why should a sex worker have any less rights on her "day off" than the "innocent virgin"? Rape is rape. No means no. Besides, in most date rape occurances, the no doesn't usually come just at the moment, seconds prior to penetration. It usually come much earlier and is ignored. "

" Don't quit your day job. "

" scenario 1: an innocent virgin is sitting at home, someone breaks in and violently rapes her as she tries unsuccessfully to fend him off and screams for help. scenario 2: a woman who is a hooker by trade is out on her night off at a bar, goes home with a nice-looking guy, has more drinks with him, they start making out, they get naked, all the while she is encouraging him, then at the last second just as he is about to make the "penetration", she whispers "no, wait", but he doesn't stop and the penetration is completed. If you try to say that scenario one and scenario two are the same crime, you are not interested in justice, you are just trying to persecute men. In the process you are being unfair not only two the man in scenario two, but also the woman in scenario one. There is a lot of gray, it isn't as simple as you try to make it sound. "

" "Jennifer": Yes, Hugh Hefner would agree with you also. "

" Rape, in Illinois, is defined as sexual penetration without the willing and informed consent of either one or both parties. And those statistics SHOULD be shocking. However, those particular statistics are REAL. I was in that presentation; I heard where those statistics were obtained. By saying "don't blame the victim...BUT" all you are doing is blaming the victim. There is no "perfect rape victim." You have to treat them all the same. It's views like yours that keep women, and men, form reporting rape and /or sexual assaults. Need I remind you that rape is one of THE MOST under-reported crimes in the US. Jennifer: Please explain how our counrty is sexually repressed? I thought Afghanistan was sexually repressed. We have sex-ed, most countries don't. We have porn readily available, a lot of countries don't. Please enlighten me how this contributes to rape. What are these scientific articles you speak of? (honestly, I would like to read them) "

" I wonder if our repressed sexual culture has anything to do with the amount of rapes committed. I have read some very interesting science articles on that fact and am leaning towards that conclusion. "

" Statistician is right, the statistics sound made-up for shock purposes. If there is any truth to a lot of them, it also probably points to the need for better definitions of "rape", and differentiating between degrees of the crime. I can see the reasoning behind the "don't blame the victim" idea, but the truth is that when you group all different kinds of situations together and treat them the same, you are just making a muddled mess out of it and doing a disservice to the victims of the most serious crimes. "

" I never implied that Stepping Stones were not providing a useful service. I was disputing the usefullness of the statistics in this article (at very least the presentation thereof). "

" Good job Cari and the rest of the staff at STepping STones. You never cease to amaze me with all you do. I believe if STATISTICIAN were to take his research skills just a step farther and join you in your "education", he would realize just what kind of caring and helpful people you at Stepping Stones are, and also know that you're not tooting your own horns. . . . . ..YOU DON'T NEED TO!! "

" The problem is that I DID take a research class, which is why i'm being critical. You are assuming sources that are not cited, which is a classic blunder in statistical analysis. And speaking from a criminology perspective, The number of rape convictions or arrests would be a more useful number than the number of rapes reported, since a crime reported is not the same as a crime committed. To quote the article: "Only 1 in 20 rapists is arrested..." This statement presumes that every individual accused of rape is guilty. It is damaging to this agency's intent for them to report inflated or invented numbers for effect. "

" ACTUALLY, the "reported" raped are the ones that are reported to police, this data is included in the Federal Crime Bureau Statistics which are released every year by the FBI. HOWEVER, there is a National Crime Victimization Survey that does NOT rely on whether or not the crimes are reported to Police, it relies on the anonymous reporting of the victims to the Surveying authority. This is one of the many places where your "fake" statistics can come from. And given that MOST victims don't know about this avenue, I would wager that there are even more rapes/ sexual assaults that go unreported at all. Guess when you went to college, you didn't have to take a research class, huh? "

" Many of those numbers feel made up. How do they know that only 2% of aquaintance rape is reported? You would have needed to know about the other incidents somehow to get that number. Similarly: how do they know that only one out of seven rapes is reported? How do they know about the other 6 at all? We would also need a definition of "attempted Rape" and "sexual advantage" to know how to perceive those numbers about college students. More than that, the source of the numbers was listed as the lady who was interviewed rather than any sort of study or law records, which makes me think that they are her estimates rather than any recorded numbers. Rape IS a terrible thing, but it is hard to put into perspective when we are given made up statistics. "

" is the best way not to be a victim for any woman (or man). You can never rely on the police to protect you during a crime, it happens sometimes but they cannot be everywhere so you have to take your defense into your own hands. Not only will it protect the woman carrying at the time, criminals will be afraid that their victims may actually be able to fight back and such situations should not occur very often. Illinois is one of only two states where residents cannot carry legally. Everyone who reads this should call their representatives and tell them to support the state bill for concealed carry in Illinois. "

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" I'm in that Victimology class, and none of this dramatization or article is "Anti-male", women can commit sexual offenses just as easily as men. And just to let you know, one of the "victims" was male. Most of the people in the class are Criminal Justice majors, and we all need to know what a victim goes through when this happens. This put a lot of things into perspective for those who go through the "Walk." The "walk" pointed out some very disconcerting facts, the worst being that women are are often victimized TWICE: once during the assault and then by Society. Stepping Stones is a great organization and deserves any help they get. Another note: Stiffer punishments aren't the key; PROSECUTING the offender is (sexual crimes carry hefty penalties on their own). "

" don't try and spin this... "

" You can expand upon it. Not just sex crimes but any crime. Why? Because anytime someone breaks the law, why they must be treated as if all criminals have some kind of made up illness that can be treated just by talking to them. If harsher penalties were carried out, then the crime rate would drop. "

" This article was not about anit male propaganda, it was about how society has seemed to make it fit to blame the victims of sex crimes not the offenders. This wasn't a anti-male article. And yes stepping stones is a great organazation. "

" more anti-male propaganda ... any "man" who doesn't have some hostility toward the culture in this country at this point has already been psychologically castrated. "

" Wonderful Service to this community, You guys do a great job. Thanks for all that you do!!!! Wonderful Agency, Volunteer People, Volunteer!!! "