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private? wrote on May 16, 2007 3:47 PM:

" Why can't I smoke in my private office with the door closed, so long as I'm the only one in there? "

Crazy wrote on May 15, 2007 7:57 PM:

" It amazes me how many conspiracy theorists pop out of the woodwork or crawl out from underneath the rocks when you talk about taking away their ability to smoke where they want and when they want. Your addiction does not come close to justifying the harms you bring to others. Keep trying to link your vast government conspiracy theories to the very overdue smoking ban. This coming state-wide ban is exactly what the majority wants and it will be the law. "

The Decider wrote on May 15, 2007 7:19 PM:

" "There ought to be limits to freedom." Cheer up Bushies, this is just another freedom that you're losing.:) "

Smoking is healthier than fascism wrote on May 15, 2007 2:48 PM:

" Is Uncle Slam your friend ? Some Florida residents may disagree. Why? Many prefer not to innoculate their children with Chicken embryo, detergent, formaldohyde, mercury, live virus and ether based gov. mandated vaccines. Solution ? state agencies step in and forcefully remove your children, and make a profit (rewarded with additional tax payer funded money by doing so)(heard about this at rbnlive.com and other sources). This smoking ban will eventually lead to the home, (you may already have heard this). It already has in parts of the country. In the "name of the children". Allow Uncle Slam, (the sinister brother of Uncle Sam, who seems to be missing), a foot inside your home, you're looking for trouble. "

To Veronica wrote on May 15, 2007 2:29 PM:

" So are you still swimming in public pools or will you be trying to outlaw them too? "

A Friend of A Friend wrote on May 15, 2007 12:49 PM:

" Right On. They are pathetic and their posts prove it. Keep on spreading the word. It is the law. "

Again the Mad Ranter wrote on May 15, 2007 11:00 AM:

" Try to understand this ok... I never said anything about the right to smoke. What you and I have lost if the RIGHT to make our own personal CHOICE on what type of establishment we wish to enter. We have also lost the RIGHT to open a business that allows a person to partake in a LEGAL activity ie smoking. GET IT??? Your opinion of JD is typical, time and time again he has made most of you look very silly, by facts and proof that you STILL refuse to look at. Just don't jump in the pool. Was it that hard? Again, all you have left now is just to insult. /yawn I am done with this one too. "

Re: ranter wrote on May 15, 2007 9:30 AM:

" Jd has done nothing but make himself look silly, and now you are assuming his role I'm guessing. It wasn't a compliment. And to the post at 7:42a, PLEEEEZE don't think you are now championing the soldiers cause, that is a very lame attempt thinking that non smokers are not on the side of the soldiers. This smoking ban has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Smoking is not a right people, it is an addiction and at the most a "luxury" that is allowed you.....but now to be done outside. "

To Principles wrote on May 15, 2007 7:45 AM:

" Ironic you use the words "taking away the rights and ignoring the needs" when referring to the coming state-wide ban on public smoking. In checking the laws, there is no right to smoke guaranteed anywhere. Smoking, like many other things in life will be regulated (just like driving, voting, etc). With regard to "ignoring the need" - did you mean to say "ignoring the addiction"? Society has no need for smoking. Weak minded individuals alone have a "need" for smoking. Let's not confuse rights and needs with personal desires and addiction. "

winner??? sore winners!! wrote on May 15, 2007 7:42 AM:

" so they plan on passing the law,, so non smokers win! AND- whos the ones still going on about it? Teaching children how to be good winners and good loosers is a task you ought to work on,, and talk about growing up!! I will continue to smoke in amy car and my home and nobody or nothing will ever stop me,,, so no need to cry here. I do however pray that the american legoins and v.f.w posts recieve the right to continue to smoke at there posts. AFTER ALL, they did fight for what we call our freedom and our country! It is beyound me how unconsiderate people can expect one to fight with there lives for them and still continue to take there own freedom! Isnt that about like sore winners!!! "

Again the Mad Ranter wrote on May 15, 2007 7:36 AM:

" WOW... "a Friend" you are out of control by saying "You are pathetic losers". It is very sad to see just how much of your life has been taken over by the hatred of the smell of smoke. I offer no spin here... Just don't go into the pool. Thats all ya needed to do. Just step away from the pool!!! Also to whoever... I take it as a complement that you are putting JD and me in the same category. He has done nothing but totally crushed any type of smoking Nazi propaganda that you ever threw at him. He simply states FACTS and leaves you all with nothing left to say but comments like "You are pathetic losers". "

to a Friend wrote on May 15, 2007 6:59 AM:

" No, we haven't been run out of town, just outside where we can blow our smoke in the faces of all who pass by. "

To a friend wrote on May 15, 2007 6:30 AM:

" I totally agree with your post,, but be prepared,,LOL,, they will ALWAYS come up with something, in an attempt to diminish the subject that we are SUPPOSED to be focusing on.. it's SO obvious that they are at the end of their proverbial ropes.... "

A Friend wrote on May 14, 2007 8:54 PM:

" The title of this article says it all. “Statewide indoor smoking ban nears reality.” The ban is coming. It will be the law. Smokers and smoker sympathizers; find another cause to defend. You have lost this decision. I lobbied to have this law passed and I won. You are pathetic losers. Many of you brought up idiotic comparisons of other causes that should be championed. Move on to your other pet projects and give up on the smoking issue. You have lost this battle and you can’t face reality. The Juvenile Delinquent has been run out of town. IT IS THE LAW. "

to ranter wrote on May 14, 2007 7:13 PM:

" We smokers have grown up, after all you must be 18 to buy tobacco. We also have grown up enough to see that our rights, yes it is a right, are being taken away. We have a seatbelt law, you have to wear one, why don't we have a helmet law? I read more about people dying from motorcycle accidents (their fault or not) than I have ever read have died from 2nd hand smoke. I see more and more young people with diabetes and heart problems, why don't we go after the fast-food with their ads designed to draw our kids into eating their food, even those kids who are not allowed to eat that junk at home. Talk to your doctors, yes smoking is an addiction, but so is overeating. I know because I'm a pediatrics nurse & everyday I see kids who would be healthier if they could knock off the weight. If you're fat, odds are so are your kids. Think about what you're saying before you go putting your foot in your mouth. Who knows where that things been. "

Re: ranter wrote on May 14, 2007 2:56 PM:

" Your spin to Veronica is just plain silly, it is the smokers who are self centered in this regard totally, not the non smokers. I have read most of your posts and you and that JD character never cease to amaze me with your writings. As someone else put it to you, grow up. "

Again the Mad Ranter to Veronica wrote on May 14, 2007 12:01 PM:

" But the flaw in you analogy, and typical thoughts of a non-smokers self centered world is... NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO GO INTO THE POOL! We all know there is a risk that someone has peed in the pool, yet you just jumped right on in there and then COMPLAINED about it. Get over yourself or go build your own non-pee pool! Oh and in case you try to spin this around... we can't go "build our own" smoking bars.. You have taken that away. Thanks! "

Life is Good Re: to OGS wrote on May 14, 2007 10:30 AM:

" I certainly do and this doesn't corrolate.....it is an addiction, not a right.....get over it, it will be the law as of Jan. 1st. "

to ummmm JD wrote on May 13, 2007 9:27 PM:

" Was Vladimir Lenin related to John? "

Veronica wrote on May 13, 2007 10:44 AM:

" Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a pool. Will there ever be a ban on smoking in apartment buildings? Should someone in an adjacent apartment have to deal with it coming into their apartment/hallways? Don't these people have rights too? I hate taking my children outside to play where I live because when people step outside to smoke, we have to deal with the smell. Their butts end up all over our yard - Isn't this littering?- use an ashtray. I am an ex-smoker - I quit 6 years ago before I had kids. I feel that I was stupid for ever smoking and believe now that smokers should have no rights. I'm sure I would be complaining too if I still smoked, but I was an addict and I agree with Voice of Reason, "When you try to regulate or change an addicts behavior you will meet resistance, denial and unreasonable logic." That pretty much sums it up. I think many people will quit smoking because of the ban and after they do they will be glad for the ban and be just as annoyed by others' smoke. "

OGS to LIFE... wrote on May 13, 2007 10:20 AM:

" ...you have no concept of what civil liberties are. "

ummm JD wrote on May 13, 2007 9:46 AM:

" starting to sound a little like Vladimir Lenin "

Life is Good Re: straw "gasping" smoker wrote on May 12, 2007 10:55 PM:

" That is such a sad statement......."rights"........ don't parlay that word for your addiction. There are much more worthy causes to be in an uproar about....don't downplay them by adding your "right" not to smoke "inside" a building......that is like an afterthought to the worlds problems, let alone the States. Please step away from the cigarette..... "

Straw Grasping Smoker wrote on May 12, 2007 7:08 PM:

" We should solve all world problems (hunger, terrorism, violence) before we worry about smoking. If we are not allowed to smoke, we will have no rights left. If smoking is outlawed, only outlaws will smoke. "

To:Soooooo wrote on May 12, 2007 10:46 AM:

" Have you've given time for it to see a difference? Seriously they haven't passed it that long ago! U expect to see a huge difference in a FEW days/years! I don't think so! Give it time. Also, how do you KNOW there hasn't been any lives saved by it? I'm sure you've looked up all the facts. I work in a hospital. You try and work with a patient who is dying of lung cancer and hasn't smoked a cigarette in there life YET they lived with a smoker. Then you tell me that second hand smoke doesn't take away lives. You might get an UNDERSTANDING of what you call "the illogic of the "dangers of second-hand smoke areguement." - maybe if you ever get the chance to talk to one of the patients you're understanding will come alot faster! Don't post a comment if you don't have facts to base it on! "

Principles wrote on May 11, 2007 4:39 PM:

" It's not the smoking ban specifically that scares and angers me. It's the steady march towards taking away the rights and ignoring the needs of the citizens of this country. We have one of the worst health-care systems in the developed countries. We have the highest crime rate. Are we going to support 'smoking jail', and where is the revenue generated by the fines going? To our under staffed and under-funded social programs. NOT. Wake up. This is not about your health, it's about generating more income for the government to throw away. "

Sooooo wrote on May 11, 2007 3:26 PM:

" In states like California that have already banned indoor smoking, has their death rate from the deadly second-hand smoke dropped drastically? If not, then how can some be so sure that second-hand smoke is dangerous? I've not heard of one life that's been saved due to a ban. I don't understand the illogic of the "dangers of second-hand smoke areguement." "

RE: JD wrote on May 11, 2007 2:17 PM:

" Move out of the country if you don't like it so much. "

To Tis: wrote on May 11, 2007 12:23 PM:

" It is a shame the addiction your friends have is stronger than their friendship with you. If there is a medical reason they can't step outside for five minutes to have a cigarette they should most definitely seek medical attention. As was said before, 18 states have banned smoking before Illinois and more will follow. This state has survived worse! "

JD wrote on May 11, 2007 11:30 AM:

" Actually, the only democracy the people have, is the choice between the handful of candidates we are presented with, and that is usually not much of a choice. With the stranglehold the bipartisan parties have, the chances of election outside that is slim to none. So basically we are given a choice between 2 people, and do not vote for the best qualified by the one we believe will cause the least damage. From there, policy is enacted with the people having very little to no control. It is more of a totalitarian regime with the illusion of choice. "

To I thought we lived in a democracy: wrote on May 11, 2007 8:55 AM:

" Which part dont you get? We do live in a democracy and this is a perfect example of how democracy works. We elected representatives, they reviewed and debated the merits of this bill. After the debate, they voted on the bill. The bill was passed. The bill then goes to the governor. The governor considers the merits of the bill and he signs it or rejects it. Your vision of democracy is to put everything to a vote. That is just not practical. Our sytem is designed for us all to be represented, which we all are. The system is working fine; your only problem with it is that it didn't turn out the way you wanted. That is not a problem with democracy. That is just you being on the wrong side of the issue. "

A Friend wrote on May 11, 2007 6:51 AM:

" 18 other states banned smoking and they survived. Soon it will be the law here and we will survive too. If you don't like it leave the state, but be prepared to keep moving, because I guarantee you more states will follow suit until the whole nation is smoking restricted. Wake up smokers, your harmful habit is no longer tolerated in public. As for the rumor that certain Bloomington establishments are handing out water filled glasses in lieu of ashtrays; if I observe this practice, I will be calling the police immediately and press charges against the establishment. Let’s see how long it continues after a few fines are levied. I promise no one is going to smoke in my presence without paying the consequences. Do everyone (and especially yourselves) a favor and quit. Run the Juvenile Delinquent out of town. It is the law. "

Its all over wrote on May 11, 2007 12:17 AM:

" Bring on the wailing and sobs of injustice. So What! You cant smoke inside, well BOO HOO to you. Rude behavior to begin with. Now I can sit back and enjoy reading your nicotine induced rage spewing out in your rants on here. This is only getting better and better. I am thrilled to see the great state of Illinois finally getting with the times and banning the nasty habit from public view...and smell. "

Judy The Second wrote on May 10, 2007 6:40 PM:

" If you vote for me when I run for Governor I'll overturn the smoking ban.....I PROMISE!!!!! "

I thought we lived in a democracy wrote on May 9, 2007 7:29 AM:

" Since we supposedly live in a democracy . . . when do we get to vote on how we want to run our own lives for a change instead of letting others make this decision for us? I am so sick & tired of the government telling me what I can & can't do. For the record - I AM A NON-SMOKER!! "

Re: to reality can be hell wrote on May 3, 2007 9:49 AM:

" Paranoia can be treated....seek help. "

Life is Good Re: to Voice of Reason wrote on May 3, 2007 9:45 AM:

" You are exactly right with your viewpoint....I agree 100%. Everyone, anyone can still smoke....outside. It's easy to see that when one inhales there is no problem, but when they exhale....it becomes those that are around them problem....solution, just don't exhale. Have a great day! "

Tis wrote on May 3, 2007 9:20 AM:

" I do feel for the companies. There are probably going to be more. My husband is a retired trucker and he knows truckers that are going to avoid Illinois, or just fly through so they can get to some place that smoking is allowed. We also have a couple of friends that live out of state and they said they won't be coming back if it's more than few hours visit as they are going somewhere else. They love to eat out, and gamble, and normally come here and stay anywhere to 3 to 10 days. Considering that I don't smoke, it's not going to effect me a whole lot. I just fear what they will go after next because they got this done. And it was a big one. Now the health industries & government knows that they can do just about what they want and the people are going to do nothing but sit back and complain which is no fear to them. In the end smoker & non-smoker will pay. Maybe it's time for the younger generation to get back into sit ins, protest, and rallies. I know this over the hiller would join them. "

To exhaust Fumes wrote on May 3, 2007 6:36 AM:

" Exhaust fumes are regulated. The regulation is called federal emission standards. Some states have their own standards and testing. Some cars manufactured in other countries are illegal to purchase here because they do not meet standards. I suggest you do some homework before you post. And, you should never come to a battle of wits unarmed. "

To exhaust Fumes wrote on May 3, 2007 5:56 AM:

" Exhaust fumes are regulated it is called federal emission standards. "

To: Voice of Reason wrote on May 2, 2007 10:06 PM:

" Exhaust fumes is another signature to cancer. Should I enforce my "freedom of health" and ban you from driving? I do not see your reasoning. I am a firm believer of LESS GOVERNMENT. I don't need them to babysit me, unlike some of you nonsmokers. "

Voice of Reason wrote on May 2, 2007 9:30 PM:

" There is really no such thing as 'smokers rights'. Smokers have the same rights as the rest of us. We all have rights. Our behaviors are rights when they do not interfere with other's rights. Smoking in public is not a right. When a smoker smokes in public he exposes others to a substance that they may not want to be exposed to. This is why we have a government that regulates our behaviors so that they do not unreasonably interfear with the rights of others. There are many behaviors that we cannot do in public but can do in private. Think about it. As a non-smoker I have had to walk through clouds of smoke when smokers congregated around the entrance of a non-smoking building to smoke. These smokers were more concerned with their comfort of standing by the door in the shade than with my rights not to breath or have my clothing smell like their tobacco. This is just one of many examples. Smokers are addicts. When you try to regulate or change an addicts behavior you will meet resistance, denial and unreasonable logic. Much of which you can read below. "

lake wrote on May 2, 2007 8:49 PM:

" I like a good cigar on a regular basis, golf course, patio or wherever. The rules are getting out of control. Public property such as streets and sidewalks will be the next banned area, as outdoor venues such as ball parks have already been outlawed. Soon can't smoke in your car with children present, nor in your own home with children. RIDICULOUS but it is the way we are heading. Freedom should be what we all deserve as Americans. IT IS A LEGAL SUBSTANCE, but apparently not for long. "

Josh wrote on May 2, 2007 7:10 PM:

" To all of you complainers out there, it's gonna happen whether you like it or not. Finally, the government has decided to step in on the side of health. The whole smoking ban deal has never been out about choice; it's always been about HEALTH. It's about time y'all realize that and stop whining. "

Reality_Can_Be_Hell wrote on May 2, 2007 6:20 PM:

" There are those who have such limited brain power to understand what is going on here. They applaud this smoke free crap without understanding the full implications of it. Any time the goverment steps in and starts regulating things like this it is yet another step in the wrong direction. The Goverment is taking over and it won't be long before all rights are gone, yes that is right, I SAID ALL RIGHTS. Those who thinks this is a good law probally believe the camera's at our intersections are just for traffick control. Caution Big Brother is watching you. "

ENOUGH ALREADY! wrote on May 2, 2007 5:46 PM:

" Come on people, isn't enough, enough? This is going to happen, regardless of who says what, or who threatens to boycott businesses, or who threatens to buy their cigs over the stateline, or online, just to "show them!!" This is the community that you live and work in for cry sake. What will be accomplished by performing ANY of these activities. If you don't like living and working in this community, then take all of your marbles,,,, and just go away!! YOU will be the ONLY one that you will be frustrating and aggravating if you do any of these things. So as the old saying goes,, AMERICA,, love it or leave it., of in this case, your town.. "

missourian wrote on May 2, 2007 4:45 PM:

" What a bunch of crap-I smoke, but I do not smoke in restaurants, bars, yes I do. If you non-smokers do not want to be around smoke don't come in the bar, good grief. And I do respect non-smokers by the way, I do not blow smoke in their face and if there is someone who objects to my smoking I will not light up. Our rights as US citizens has been infringed upon, taken away, what else is going to be taken away. We smokers are well aware of what smoking does but we enjoy smoking and there is nothing that can be proven 100% such as smoking causing cancer as it's just not possible. If you watch T.V. everything causes cancer anymore. I think smokers get a bad rep personally, there are so many other things to worry about this day and age besides smoking. You people need to get a damn life. God forbid any of your rights are taken away. "

To: To: Cigs Online wrote on May 2, 2007 4:38 PM:

" Could you quote your source? I will need this for my defence when I purchase my smokes online in the event I get one of those tax bills too. Or are you just blowing smoke? "

Life is Good Re: to TK wrote on May 2, 2007 4:27 PM:

" No one's "rights" have been taken away...grow up. There are other places to live you know???? "

Life is Good Re: to OGS wrote on May 2, 2007 4:26 PM:

" No "liberties" have been "stifled"......anyone, everyone can still smoke if they want to....just outside, thus nothing has been taken away. Laws are implemented every day....all of them are not "bad" laws. We do not live in a "police state".....that is really an over the top statement. I am not in favor of the NAU, so don't rebutt with that statement. Write an article to this paper stating your views on that subject and I would bet most everyone would be on your side....this is a way different matter....not to be confused with the NAU. "

To: Cigs Online wrote on May 2, 2007 4:02 PM:

" As for the tax statement you are discussing about when purchasing cigarettes . . . that fell through on the wayside. It was found to be unconstitutional. I highly suggest you and your nonsmokers get with your "YES" congressmen to determine how you will fork up the additional tax revenue. Good try in scaring the smokers . . . try another tactic. "

To: Me wrote on May 2, 2007 1:53 PM:

" Let me get this straight. . .you don't smoke in your house around your kids, which I assume is because you don't want to expose them to your second hand smoke. But, you think it's OK to smoke in bars, where perfect strangers get exposed to your second hand smoke?! Wow. . .that is really sensitive. "

MRS. wrote on May 2, 2007 1:17 PM:

" That's right Cigs online? One guy got a 4000.00 tax bill. It is a legal tax. Just like anything else. We bought a truck in another state that didn't have sales tax and we had to pay sales tax on that car here when we went to get the plates. If you go out of state be carefull. If you buy to many or a lot of different brands you may have a problem. I don't smoke but I do believe those that do are paying way to much in taxes. "

a little info wrote on May 2, 2007 1:10 PM:

" Florida is a state that has had these bans in place for a long time. Non for profit organizations are exempt from the ban, i.e. American legion, V.F.W.,, But, all FOR profit organizations, are not. i.e. ELKS Lodge,, private clubs, golf courses (indoors) etc. All of these places though, survived the change when it took place, and are alive and well. Bars, restaurants, casinos,and all other businesses that serve the public, where smoking was once allowed are doing fine, because it is a statewide issue. Smokers were in an uproar in the beginning, but have accepted the change, and in many cases, now welcome being able to eat a meal in a restaurant, where smoke from another area does not distract them. The poster that said that business owners run their places by "laws", is completely right. If they get caught serving underage for an example, they can get shut down, and pay a severe fine. They KNOW that new laws can be implemented or amendments can be made to existing laws at any time. It's all a part of running a business. "

OGS - Civil Liberties Take a Backseat wrote on May 2, 2007 12:59 PM:

" Well it looks like you anti-smoking activists have convinced yet another stae with your lobbying, big money, and propaganda campaigns. If Gov Blago signs, you've won your agenda yet stifled the liberties of all citizens of this country. Too bad for all of us, as you people really do not grasp the big picture of our government becoming more of a police state every day. So no more smoking. Google the North American Union. If it becomes a reality, the Constitution of the USA gets trampled on, and ALL of us suffer. "

TK wrote on May 2, 2007 12:59 PM:

" Regardless of whether you are a smoker or not and what the health concerns are, this is a blatant infringement on our rights as Americans. When the government starts telling us what we can and cannot do, it makes us no better than Cuba or China and their communist ways. So much for being the Land of the Free. "

Cigs online? wrote on May 2, 2007 12:39 PM:

" Before you all jump on the buy em online bandwagon, you might want to look into this. I recall an article a while back that said that the State of Illinois sent out thousands of tax bills to those who did just that! You may have bought them from a firm out of state, but you still owe this state the taxes from that purchase. "

The Intractable Fachna wrote on May 2, 2007 12:37 PM:

" "...Communist State of Illinois..."? How unfair! Uncle Joe was never without his pipe. It was that other guy, the one with the little, cookie-duster mustache, that was the rabid anti-smoker. Don't know whether Mussolini smoked, but Tojo did. "

COB wrote on May 2, 2007 12:28 PM:

" Bad news for the private club idea. The state law (SB 500) is actually stricter than the Bloomington law. After January 1, Illinois will not allow smoking even in private clubs, under penalty of fines, injunctions, and loss of a liquor license. The state law bans smoking in stadiums that are only partially enclosed, and also within 15 feet of not only all doorways, but also openable windows and air intakes, thus making some portions of outdoor beer gardens and sidewalks unusable for smoking. The state law contains a provision that municipal laws, even under home rule, can only be stricter, not less strict, than the state. In my opinion, the state goes so far that there may be some problems in outdoor areas. "

Me wrote on May 2, 2007 12:22 PM:

" I as a smoker have no issues with the ban in restaurants, but I do however have a problem with the bar ban. I don't smoke in my house with my children and I understand people not wanting their children around smoke. Smoking in a bar is a whole other ball game, you have to be 21 to enter and drink I think by that time people should be old enough to form their own opions. If you don't want to be around a bunch of people in a smoke filled bar DO NOT GO. I am sure somewhere there are smoke free bars go there. "

I know wrote on May 2, 2007 11:56 AM:

" For certain that if they ban smoking on the casino boats there will be several people that won't go spend their money. Actually maybe that is a good thing now I can save my money because you never win at these boats in this state anyway. Bonus for me yeahhh ban my smoking I am going to have extra money!!! "

Re: To In chicago wrote on May 2, 2007 10:53 AM:

" Interesting about private clubs. So then the beer/food will be free there as long as I pay my dues... I am all for that. "

Life is Good wrote on May 2, 2007 10:47 AM:

" Thank you Dan Brady and Bill Mitchell....you are forward thinking individuals who see what the future is holding, your votes proving it. The small towns outside B/N will now be on the same playing field as those in town.....everything equal. As stated, anyone can still smoke, just outside. For the poster whos comment of "spitting Skoal at the doorways and putting your wad on the tables".....do you actually realize how these comments make you and any who support them look? Didn't think so......shows the mindset though. The revenue loss I am guessing will not be $100M, people will not stop smoking because of this law. "

Cripes wrote on May 2, 2007 10:39 AM:

" With all the economic problems facing the state of Illinois and the out of control electric rates, the only thing our state legislators can get accomplished is a smoking ban? Give me a break. There are much more important problems facing our state. Our legislators seem unwilling to tackle the hard issues. "

ex smoker wrote on May 2, 2007 10:38 AM:

" I am glad for this. I have a child and when she gets to 'smoking age' I hope that it is looked at as completely unacceptable by society and looked at even more as 'dirty' and 'bad'. Smoking is just accepted as a 'right' and it is killing people by the hundreds of thousands. I DO NOT want our children growing up thinking this is an acceptable habit. I do not want my child smoking. You have a right to smoke, but as a society it is our duty to make sure our children know that this is not an acceptable habit to have, and it WILL kill you. "

To: June 1st wrote on May 2, 2007 10:35 AM:

" I will be there just let me know the location. I won't have a cigarette though. I just want to see you and the other 10 people you rounded together on your smoking parade. By the way what part of the trail will you be starting at since you probably won't make it a mile due to your shortness of breath and needing to sit down. "

Human Reasources wrote on May 2, 2007 10:28 AM:

" I dont think we should tell business owners what they can and cannot do with thier property. besides, if the anti smoking crowd would just go to work, pay their taxes, and sit in front of the TV and be in bed by 9:30pm like they are SUPPOSED to be doing, they wouldnt come in contact these horrible bars and smokers in the first place ! "

June 1 protest wrote on May 2, 2007 10:22 AM:

" All smokers, In order to show solidarity i am suggesting that June 1 all smokers get together and walk the constitution trail smoking. If they want to take bars away from smokers then lets smoke outside on the trail where all the joggers and walkers can see our unity. Maybe then they'll want us back in the bars. "

Wow! wrote on May 2, 2007 10:19 AM:

" I'm surprised at the wide margin by which this passed. Our state rep, Dan Brady, voted for it. Remember that our state senator, Bill Brady, voted AGAINST this bill, and was NOT in favor of regulating indoor public smoking. "

Are the bars really hurting? wrote on May 2, 2007 10:08 AM:

" Over in another story (about a downtown merchant complaining about the big crowds at the downtown bars and how the city government is too liberal), there are people saying that there are just as many people as ever in the downtown bars. I was down there last weekend, and there were lines to get in and hundreds of people walking around and even some out front of the bars smoking. The onlydowntown bar to close recently was the McLean County Bar, and that was before the smoking ban took effect. Since the ban, two new places, Show-Me's and now the new country bar have come in. With the whole state going non-smoking, that will eliminate any threat of people saying, I'll just go into the county and brings that "level playing field" that the bar owners wanted. "

JD wrote on May 2, 2007 9:52 AM:

" I still do not understand why the government is so willing to shoot the cash cow. People can say "smokers will smoke no matter what", but restricting smoking state wide will not only decrease the number of existing smoker, but of new smokers as well. In a state where the deficit is growing by leaps and bounds, budgets are being cut, road repair is not funded adequately, one would think they would be thinking of new ways to make money, not lose it. I really hope the pro-banners will be just as happy and "logical" when their taxes increase to make up for the lost taxes due to this action. "

Jimmy wrote on May 2, 2007 9:33 AM:

" A law that many towns will choose to ignore. One only has to look to Bloomington. In several bars where smoking is no longer allowed rather than providing ashtrays they give you a plastic glass with water and tell you to watch out. Silly law that won't be enforced in many places. Classic feel good legislation. "

July First wrote on May 2, 2007 9:27 AM:

" Is less than two months away now.....TICK....TOCK....TICK....TOCK!!!!! Mugsy's Pub might still have ashtrays....but not for long! "

The Smell wrote on May 2, 2007 8:47 AM:

" To you smokers - whenever I'm around someone who is smoking my eyes start to water and my nose starts to run. The smell is horrible not to mention what it does to my lungs. What if I would stand next to you or near you and fart all night long...do you think that would be OK? Cause to me thats what its like being around someone smoking. I'm not against smoking....I'm against smoking when its infringing on someone's right to breath clean air. "

Barbara wrote on May 2, 2007 8:40 AM:

" I feel sorry for all the struggling Mom and Pop bars and taverns that will be put out of business because they don't have a choice on how to run THEIR BUSINESS! One more stab at killing the small business economy. Any thought on who is going to replace that tax revenue? Many small towns are on the brink of disaster the way it is! "

Nationwide Trend wrote on May 2, 2007 8:14 AM:

" Banning smoking indoors is a nationwide trend, and smoker's are just now going to have to realize that they can no longer infringe on the rights of non-smokers. "

Opie wrote on May 2, 2007 8:11 AM:

" I feel sorry for the mom and pop bars in the small towns and the bars along the border. Doubt many will survive this. "

Finally!!! wrote on May 2, 2007 8:10 AM:

" Finally an end to the debate. Thank God the elected officials acted on the will of the people, and now state of Illinois will enact what Bloomington was too scared to do. Where are all you smokers going to threaten not to go now??? CLEAN AIR AT LAST, CLEAN AIR AT LAST!!! "

to: smoker im lmao wrote on May 2, 2007 8:03 AM:

" im lmao i am no smoker but that is funny!! heck walk downtown bloomington and look at the cigerette buds!! nassty! the trash they throw even when they are done with their cigerette and pop they throw both on the ground! i literally seen it! the huddles of smokers throw them anywhere they can! they stand out front of the resturant you walk right past them! and dont visit thebars oh my gosh just like maniacs throwing things and peeing and puking! this would be even more of a laugh!sounds immature but i just laugh my a** off!!!!i tell my kids watch for the cigerette throwers and on the ground and watch the baby so she dont pick one up otherwise lmao!now what till a guard gets killed i will be lmao!!sounds sad but i will be lol !!!! "

insane!!! wrote on May 2, 2007 7:53 AM:

" this is getting out of control!!! i can see resturants but the bars lets get real!! and the veterans served their time another get real! blago is not their to deal with the prisoners wont be his a** shanked!!!it will be some guard who has a wife and kids to come home to them lifers have nothing to care about and dont think lockdowns will solve the problem! look at the incident here at mclean county jail that lady guard almost died!just an example of lockdown killer!!!this is insane and im a non smoker!! not to mention the streets are now more trashed and people look like mobs smoking in their circle!! "

Dum Dums... wrote on May 2, 2007 7:51 AM:

" To all of you dum dums that voted Skip Crawford off the city counsil because of his vote on the smoking issue... a lot of good it did to remove him now huh?!?! "

FLAME WAR... wrote on May 2, 2007 7:33 AM:

" Every time there is a story that people are strongly divided on there is a Flame War of stupid unsubstantiated garbage. The never should have been posted in the first place. MY guess is 170+ mindless comments will be made. One of two templates "I Like the idea of the ban it will make places nicer to work in / visit" or "I am a smoker/cater to a smokers and I am angry about the infringement on my rights or the Government and nonsmokers are just a bunch of crybabies we smokers are "real men" ". It would be better if instead of the disaster area that is the "comment" feature they just did a likert scale poll question on the support for the ban to informally judge public opinion. "

Immature wrote on May 2, 2007 7:30 AM:

" To say that smokers should now chew Skoal and spit it all over the place, and leave it on napkins in restaurants is just plain immature! This just feeds into the opinions that non-smokers have of smokers not caring about anyone but themselves. "

Confused wrote on May 2, 2007 7:24 AM:

" Will someone please explain to me why some of these smokers are saying that we should ban alcohol because it is way more dangerous? I thought that their arguement was about how the bars would close because smokers are the ones who frequent bars. So if alcohol were banned in public places, isn't that sort shooting yourself in the foot? Then there would be two things that you enjoy that got taken away. "

to:I Just Saw the Ad . . . wrote on May 2, 2007 7:20 AM:

" I have reservations of whether she actually got tongue and throat cancer from second hand smoke. Remember the false papers dreamed up and given to CBS who knowingly put out false info. First all we have is her word since there are laws that make it so we can't see her medical records and I'd like to see the environment she lived and grew up in. I've know many people who have lived and worked around smokers and in my 60 years don't know anyone who has what she has. "

Aggravated wrote on May 2, 2007 7:15 AM:

" To I just saw the ad. She also says something to the affect you shouldn't have to jeopardize your health for a paycheck. There are plenty of people that do. We have our servicemen, fire fighters, police, coal miners, public works employees dealing with confined spaces and people driving vehicles past while they are working. If she didn't smoke and had a concern, there are plenty of other jobs out there. I feel for her, but don't tell me she had to jeopardize her health for her job. That was her choice. "

non-smoker wrote on May 2, 2007 7:13 AM:

" I am a non-smoker, but I truley believe that it should be up to the business. As a non-smoker, if I don't want to deal with a smokey bar, I just don't go. As for the people who work in these establishments, if you don't like the smoke then you should find a new job. There are other places that you can work that are smoke free. You made the choice to work there, now deal with it! "

to:smoker wrote on May 2, 2007 7:10 AM:

" Probably wouldn't bother them since the gum chewing non smokers spit nasty gum all over the sidewalks anyway! "

Great wrote on May 2, 2007 7:07 AM:

" It's about time. You're all about down to your last weeze. "

To: Real Issue wrote on May 2, 2007 7:07 AM:

" Sure. It's because in the process of Joe Business Owner operating his business, he is knowingly allowing a life-threatning environment to occur inside his building. Just like in other areas of business, workers should be protected from dangers in their workplace. Ever heard of the Worker Protection Standards (WPS)? It requires all employers to notify their employees of hazards in the workplace, and to supply them with the necessary Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) to protect them from those hazards. Short of having bar employees wear respirators, I don't know how else you can protect them. "

A Friend wrote on May 2, 2007 6:54 AM:

" Guess what JD. It's the law!!!! Way to go. I won. Ha Ha. "

smoker wrote on May 2, 2007 6:50 AM:

" To all smokers. I'm not happy about it either but, it looks like it's gonna happen. Nothing we can do about it. I still say we should all start chewing tobacco. Make sure you have a big wad of "Skoal" in your mouth when you go into the resturant. Spit and be happy. When your meal arrives, take the big juicy clump from your lip, put it on a napkin, and set it on the edge of your table for all to enjoy looking at while they eat. Also make sure you spit right in front of the door on your way in, and on the way out. Don't want us to smke? No problem "

To Reality_Can_Be_Hell wrote on May 2, 2007 6:49 AM:

" “Yes I knew it would pass unfortunately. It is just one more step towards a totalitarian government.” Are you kidding me?! Because of a smoking ban you feel this is headed towards a totalitarian government?! Oh boy...you Pro-banners better watch out the next thing you know you will have programmed chips in your head walking saying and doing everything the government wants. How about this Reality...EVERYBODY will live be able to live a healthier life. Unfortunately, smoking is something that is addictive but who knows...this could be the start of new beginning for many people. The start that they have been wanting but couldn’t break away from since smoking is excepted everywhere. Even children will benefit from this – those who have parents that smoke like a train in the same car or in their home. Its not healthy for anybody. Now that is the reality. "

To Real Issue wrote on May 2, 2007 6:49 AM:

" You see there are many business (bars and restaurants) that would like to go smoke free but they cant. Why? Because they would lose business to the next guy down the street. They cant do that. BUT if the entire state of IL goes smoke free...then they don’t have to worry about it. As for the boarder...we don’t have to worry about that too long. Once they get tired of pumping money into their gas tank, the slot machines and smokes...they will slow down. "

TO: I JUST SAW THE AD wrote on May 2, 2007 6:46 AM:

" You missed the point of the ad. Non smokers have been told for decades that second hand smoking does not happen. Health problems are now proving it is. Had she'd been told the truth that second hand smoke is just as dangerous as first hand, she probably would have never worked in a bar. When I saw the ad, I wondered how she talked so good considering she lost 3/4 of her tongue. "

Re: To Okay let's work wrote on May 2, 2007 6:46 AM:

" A drunk driver can kill someone by not paying attention, but so can someone that is driving down the street with a cigerette in one hand, a cell phone in the other and driving at the same time. Just drive down the street and watch the other drivers when you are stopped at a red light. You will see. I'm not saying that drunk driving is a good thing, it's not, but think back to drivers ed. "

Fred wrote on May 2, 2007 6:41 AM:

" Welcome to the Communist State Of Illinois!!!!!! "

Support 100% wrote on May 2, 2007 6:41 AM:

" I can see the ban taking place in resturants and family places because of kids. I don't think bars should be out. Smokers can puff away to harm themselves but be cutious to those who wish to protect they're lives by not smoking. Expecially children. "

To Real Issue wrote on May 2, 2007 6:34 AM:

" Business owners do not have the ‘right’ to do whatever they want in their business. Never have and never will. A business owner can not pack a room to the brink because of fire regulations. Too many people in a building is AGAINST THE LAW. A business owner can not withhold service from a person based on their race, sex, religion or disability. To do so is AGAINST THE LAW. I business owner must comply with all health inspector regulations. To not comply is AGAINST THE LAW. Just because you own a business you are not somehow free to do WHATEVER you want. Business owners are subject to laws, just like everyone else. "

to Real Issue wrote on May 2, 2007 6:15 AM:

" If that's the case, then bar owners should be able to determine their own hours. They should be able to determine the drinking age in their establishments. We should eliminate all health codes for restaurants. After all, it's THEIR establishment so they should be able to do what they want, right? "

to: to "Mens Clubs" wrote on May 2, 2007 5:53 AM:

" Everything is exempt?? Bet me! Think the BCC will ban smoking?? HA! "

skip supporters still havent gotten over it wrote on May 2, 2007 4:24 AM:

" How sad it is the sore losers in this town. Skip Crawford was defeated handily by a challenger and now with a piece of state legislation about to be passed here come the "Crawford Crybabies". I see more responses that pertain to Judy Stearns than to any of the Reps. who voted for or against this bill. How sad these people really are and it just proves how far off point you can get when you stray from the true content of an issue. "

Tis wrote on May 2, 2007 3:34 AM:

" I'm with the guy who said, "Get your cigs on line." Every smoker should." I'd do it if I smoked. Illinois doesn't deserve the revenue. Heck, buy your alcohol onl ine too. I dont drink much, but when I do, I'll get it online. And, anything else I can from outside of this state. Illinois doesn't deserve the revenue. I've found a site that carries a variety of things I need around the house. Some even are perishables. If you know of any, let me know. "

Uncle Slam wrote on May 2, 2007 12:33 AM:

" ...that's right. whose the boss. Now everybody say "uncle"... "

To: To Okay let's work wrote on May 1, 2007 11:28 PM:

" ..yeh, they banned the use of alcohol to the taverns and homes - RIGHT!! I don't care if they ban smoking or if they STOP the sale of cigarettes, but when they start banning smoking in PUBLIC places, they should also ban alcohol in public places. WHO WANTS TO WATCH A DRUNK URINATE ON THE STREET, STAGGER DOWN THE STREET, GET BEHIND THE WHEEL OF A CAR AND KILL SOMEONE, ETC.? "

Real Issue..... wrote on May 1, 2007 10:41 PM:

" No one seems to be getting what the real issue is, because it is not about where a smoker gets to smoke and where he/she can't smoke(even though that is what everyone is debating) It is about the business owner being able to decide how he/she wants to run their business. Everyone can debate about how rude smokers are and how non-smokers can go to a different place , but that is really not the issue the issue is it is the BUSINESS OWNERS Rights and Freedoms that are being invaded upon, not smokers or non-smokers. I know about SHS and how it is harmful, I know that non-smokers can choose to go somewhere else, What I don;t get is why the goverment gets to tell Joe Business owner who pays his taxes,How to run his/her business. Can anyone give me a Valid answer? "

Hooper to We Know wrote on May 1, 2007 9:52 PM:

" Right on! "

To: To Sad Day . . . wrote on May 1, 2007 9:42 PM:

" You are definitely mistaken. I can tell you are a nonsmoker and already you assume you can read the minds of smokers. Smokers for the most part will not stand outside their LOCAL bars to get a couple of puffs in. Why you asked . . . because with liquor comes smoking. They taste great together. So I highly suggest you get a grip for what is about to happen. I am a smoker and already dedicated myself to NOT to hang out where I am treated as an outcast. And trust me, a few of my smoking friends are doing the same. For anyone here that says this will not hurt business is just BLOWING SMOKE. "

An Idea wrote on May 1, 2007 9:38 PM:

" Now the state of Illinois should repeal all taxes on cigarettes. It's only fair. "

We Know wrote on May 1, 2007 9:17 PM:

" Anytime you interfere with an addict using his drug of choice the way he wants to you can expect resistance and denial. "

to "Men's clubs" wrote on May 1, 2007 9:14 PM:

" Sorry but "Men's Clubs" are not emempt - in fact NOTHING is exempt! Thanks to our glorious state government! At least MY local REP. voted with sensibility in realizing that our area would be hurt by a smoking ban. "

to "Just one change..." wrote on May 1, 2007 9:11 PM:

" Gee, that would mean a CHOICE! Obviously not something the state of Illinois wants ANYONE to have!! "

to "Sad day" wrote on May 1, 2007 9:10 PM:

" THANK YOU! For being one of the few who sees what could happen to this state. I am writing every REP. that voted NO to let them know what a blunder they have enacted! "

ATTENTION Smokers . . . wrote on May 1, 2007 9:04 PM:

" Buy your tobacco out of state. Go on line, do some pricing. Let these nonsmokers find another way to get their tax money! It is the only way to prove to these people that they made a mistake. I did a search for cigarettes out of state and there are tons out their with better prices. NOT one cent of your purchase will go towards Illinois' tax. Do it today!!! "

Thank God wrote on May 1, 2007 8:59 PM:

" I sure hope this passes, then all the complainers, BOTH SIDES, can find something else to talk about other than smoking rights. This is truely a good thing, can you imagine how many lives will be saved? Many people will stop smoking and people will not have to inhale it in public. I hope the rest of the country catches on too. "

Good Start Judy Stearns wrote on May 1, 2007 8:43 PM:

" The City of Bloomington needs quality leadership so hope your term on the Council Judy brings more to Bloomington them your interest to the bars and a poor health choice that affects many of us who do not have the habit!! Maybe you should think twice about going on the Council. "

Stinky wrote on May 1, 2007 8:38 PM:

" I like to smoke in bars and restaurants. What's wrong with that? "

Melvin to Sad Day wrote on May 1, 2007 8:33 PM:

" Since the state's annual budget runs about $52 billion, even if your projected loss of revenue of $100 million is correct, the state would lose 0.2% of its revenues. They'll make that up on the taxes from the increased cost of gas. Therefore, who cares? "

to: Men's Clubs wrote on May 1, 2007 8:18 PM:

" "hang out and be men."??? So, a man is only a man when he has a cigarette hanging out of his mouth? I won't be kissing THAT man! Nor will I be with any man that thinks he can only be a MAN when hanging out with other manly men! What a riot! Hopefully the days of exclusionary clubs has gone by the wayside. But, from reading these posts, probably not. They'll just continue to be filled with a bunch of small minded, small town dolts. "

to "Just one change... " wrote on May 1, 2007 8:14 PM:

" Gee. what a "novel"idea! Wouldn't that be something that the local businesses should have been given the right too also. DUH! A right of CHOICE!!! "

I Just Saw the Ad . . . wrote on May 1, 2007 7:53 PM:

" I just saw the commercial about the bartender who was diagnosed with cancer from second hand smoke. I thought to myself, why did she not get another job? Being a correctional officer, I find my life in danger everyday with murderers, rapists, and so forth. Maybe I should look into filing a lawsuit against the people of Illinois for putting my life at risk. Oh wait, you are probably saying I should get another job. Hmmm, sound familiar? "

To: Sad day wrote on May 1, 2007 7:51 PM:

" I'm so confused by your post. "not smoking revenue"? What is that? Do you think people will smoke less? That's just silly. You should read up on addiction. No one will smoke less. And if you live just outside St. Louis, I don't think your boycott of B/N bars will matter too much, do you? And why will your wife need a new job? Do you think people will drive over the boarder to smoke at bars, therefore closing your wife's bar? Very doubtful. Other states have done this and the bars have survived. Plus, most bar-going smokers are probably not that motivated - they'd rather just walk outside of their home bar to smoke than to drive to another town to smoke. "

To: In Chicago wrote on May 1, 2007 7:48 PM:

" How long before bars become private clubs? The answer would be never. I do believe that private clubs can't make a profit off of alcohol sales. Without that, bars wouldn't exist. "

Sad day wrote on May 1, 2007 7:25 PM:

" Well, the state has just thrown away $100M plus in tax revenues. That is from casino revenue, not smoking revenue. Now my wife will have to find a new job as we live right out side St Louis and she works at a bar. At least my rep. voted the way he said he would when I spoke to him. I will continue to boycott B/N bars, and now will think twice before drinking anywhere in the state. "

In Chicago wrote on May 1, 2007 7:17 PM:

" Blago was in Chicago, what a shocker. And they wanted exemption for private clubs. Ok.... how long before bar owners make them private clubs... "

Just one change... wrote on May 1, 2007 7:13 PM:

" I say we let the prison staff vote on whether or not to ban smoking there. If the guards want to make the prison nonsmoking, so be it. If they don't, that's up to them. They're the ones who will have to deal with the rioting inmates who are denied their precious smokes. "

Pleeeeaasee wrote on May 1, 2007 7:12 PM:

" I think everyone that is mad about the new law is forgetting something. No one is against people who smoke, we just want you all to be courteous to others when you do it. I can guarantee that you smokers have had that talk with your doctors about trying to quit or them telling you about the hazards of smoking. When someone drinks a beer or a glass of wine they are only hurting themselves UNLESS they choose to drive drunk (which is as stupid as some of the arguments I have read). Right or wrong, we all know that smoking does affect ones health, if you don't than you need to research the affects of it. I don't care if you light up at home (except I feel sorry for your children who are helpless and can't choose to move out of the house to avoid it) just remember that some people choose to be smoke free. We live in a great country and our freedom is not being taking away except for your right to affect others health in public places. "

Men's clubs wrote on May 1, 2007 7:04 PM:

" I predict a resurgence in memberships at mens clubs like the Elk's, Moose Lodge, etc. A whole new generation of young men finding the benefits of these clubs so they can have a place to hang out and be men. "

To: OKAY! Let's work...... wrote on May 1, 2007 7:02 PM:

" GET REAL. No one has banned the sale of cigarettes. They've merely limited WHERE they can be used. Just like they ALREADY have done with alcohol LONG AGO. "

to: How long wrote on May 1, 2007 6:46 PM:

" Put me down for "never." "

Hey smokers wrote on May 1, 2007 6:34 PM:

" There's no crying in restaurants. Deal with it. "

.. wrote on May 1, 2007 6:17 PM:

" It's unbelievable the role that people want government to play in their lives. "

lets get real wrote on May 1, 2007 6:16 PM:

" whats next, what about drinking in restaurant and other public places, seems to me thats more dangerous getting behind the wheel of a car after sitting for hours drinking than smoking, 1-2 cigarrettes in a restaurant vs 5-8 drinks or more. "

How long... wrote on May 1, 2007 6:01 PM:

" Before this subject reaches the Supreme Court ? Any bets ? "

Reality_Can_Be_Hell wrote on May 1, 2007 5:58 PM:

" Yes I knew it would pass unfornatly. It is just one more step towards a totalitarian goverment. Now you pro-banners can rejoice but be warned it won't be long before the goverment takes something you like away. Then they will take even more and more. By the way in case you are so niave to think this is a good thing then you are to niave to understand that big brother is watching you. "

OKAY! Let's work...... wrote on May 1, 2007 5:52 PM:

" on alcohol now. The state got rid of the LESSER of the two evils. WHEN are we going to ban the sale of alcohol - the BIGGEST killer of innocent people? "

Normal resident wrote on May 1, 2007 5:49 PM:

" Now that Bloomington has Judy Stearns in office.. hope she has another agenda other than the bars and smoking. If not... all of those people in her ward wasted their vote. "

Woohoo!! wrote on May 1, 2007 5:47 PM:

" The only good thing Chicago Blago has done! "

Hey Hey Judy Stearns wrote on May 1, 2007 5:34 PM:

" Whatcha gonna do about it??? Looks like a whole bunch of Bloomington bar owners just threw a whole lot of money away in the last election. Sorry guys! The governor ENTHUSIASTICALLY supports the bill.....it's as good as LAW! "

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