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Seems to me... wrote on Aug 24, 2007 5:04 PM:

" Maybe those who ridicule Kelly and talk down to her should start acting like an adults and agree to disagree. Seems to me Kelly is acting like an adult and sharing her feelings with the school board, along side of other concerned parents. Do you honestly believe she is the only parent upset by this? "

To Kelly wrote on Aug 24, 2007 4:22 PM:

" does it really matter to us where your spouse works?? It's about the kids not about just you... Let's all think together and get this resolved in an adult like manner.... "

To Kelly wrote on Aug 24, 2007 4:21 PM:

" It's not all about you and your kids, there were others involved.. You just seem to be the only one called... Wonder why--cause you talked alot... Give it a break. "

To Kelly wrote on Aug 24, 2007 2:07 PM:

" “Criticism is something we can avoid easily by saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing” Stand up for what you believe and don't let the criticism of others get you down!! This plan affects you and your family. You don't have to just "GET OVER IT" You have a right to your opinion and you have the right to share it with the school board and advocate change for the future. YOU GO GIRL!!!! "

Let's act like adults... wrote on Aug 24, 2007 1:19 PM:

" If you don't have an opinion about this or think that this system of selecting kids is a good one - that's fine. But don't name call and slam those parents who have concerns and want other options explored. Don't say "Get Over It!" when parents and citizens are asking questions or asking for other options. It's very suprising to see in the El Paso Journal how many parents at the last board meeting didn't have a child affected this year, but still took the time to go and speak at the meeting. It seemed like there were several!! KUDOS to all the parents that attended!!! "

You just don't get it... wrote on Aug 24, 2007 1:07 PM:

" It's NOT a BUS, it's NOT GRIDLEY! It's the LOTTERY SYSTEM THAT PARENTS OPPOSE!!!! Who wants the unknown every year - finding out what school you'll attend only a few weeks before school begins. Carol Stiles didn't speak volumes in addressing this issue. I'm sure that Gridley will welcome students with open arms - that's not the point!! People are making this into an El Paso hates Gridley - that's not it either!! Stop assuming and start listening!!! GREAT POST BY LOSING FOCUS!! "

My sentiments exactly... wrote on Aug 24, 2007 12:54 PM:

" Losing Focus ... wrote on Aug 22, 2007 11:45 PM: " WE SAY “They cut 2 class sections from JP and are hand picking kids to go to Gridley” and YOU HEAR “We hate Gridley” WE SAY “Please send an entire grade and not pick and choose students” and YOU HEAR “They think Gridley teachers are awful”. Please STOP arguing and stay FOCUSED here people. As it’s been said REPEATEDLY, WE have nothing against Gridley OR their Teachers. ALL we’re looking for is a better solution for next year. Our goal is to keep K-4 in both communities. Why would you want to argue that point?? If that means moving classes around at JP and Centennial then let’s do it. Trust me, there are better ways to handle this than pulling names out of a hat, and I, for one, hope to help find a solution. "

To EPG wrote on Aug 24, 2007 10:46 AM:

" Carol Stiles article in the Journal does say it all. She is a very caring teacher and will be there for any student that needs her. I grew up in town and loved it when I got to ride the bus home with a friend that lived in the country. Kids adjust better than we all give them credit for. I would love to hear what some of the students have to think about their move, without their parents over their shoulders telling them what to say! To Kelly that posted at 8:30, you said it buddy, get over it! "

EPG wrote on Aug 24, 2007 8:38 AM:

" Read the article from Carol Stiles in the El Paso Journal - it speaks volumes! We need to clone Carol as we need more mature positive people like her. Her grandchild is one of the kids going to Gridley and she has several other grandchildren going to El Paso. Good will come from all of this! "

to Kelly wrote on Aug 24, 2007 8:30 AM:

" It is time to move on - bitterness will get you nowhere. Do you think you are really helping ayone by dragging this on and on ...... "

To Kelly wrote on Aug 24, 2007 8:21 AM:

" This is still a small school district and you still can know all the teachers. We had to move kids around when my oldest was in Kindergarden back in 1991 so moving classes isn't a new problem. Yes before all you jump my bones it wasn't to another school in another town. Be glad our kids are still getting a good education and not just a name and number like they would have been in Decatur or bloomington normal or any other large town. "

Kelly wrote on Aug 23, 2007 9:29 PM:

" My husband drives over 1 hour each way to work. I threw a fit when CAT offered to move us to Decatur because I do not want my kids in that big of a school. I want to know the teachers and all the staff. We spent 17 years to get where we are and have what we have. 10 years ago when we bought a 2 story 5 bedroom house across from the park and 3 doors south of the school we were planning. Our oldest is 8. The school undid all of that in a lottery with out a thought of us and our goals for our family. I have been interviewed 2 times. Both the Pantagraf and the PJS called me. I did not call them. "

To LOSING FOCUS wrote on Aug 23, 2007 1:02 PM:

" Couldn't have said it better myself!! Thank you! "

Losing Focus ... wrote on Aug 22, 2007 11:45 PM:

" WE SAY “They cut 2 class sections from JP and are hand picking kids to go to Gridley” and YOU HEAR “We hate Gridley” WE SAY “Please send an entire grade and not pick and choose students” and YOU HEAR “They think Gridley teachers are awful”. Please STOP arguing and stay FOCUSED here people. As it’s been said REPEATEDLY, WE have nothing against Gridley OR their Teachers. ALL we’re looking for is a better solution for next year. Our goal is to keep K-4 in both communities. Why would you want to argue that point?? If that means moving classes around at JP and Centennial then let’s do it. Trust me, there are better ways to handle this than pulling names out of a hat, and I, for one, hope to help find a solution. I heard a rumor today there were 26 students in a 3rd grade Gridley class today, Someone please tell me that's not true... "

to you know what wrote on Aug 22, 2007 8:27 PM:

" I understand-but let's act like adults here.... It's for our kids sake lead by example "

Board wrote on Aug 22, 2007 7:42 PM:

" It would be nice if the board and superintendant repsected the parents; Mostly though I would appreciate it if they acknowleged parents. For two entire LONG meetings most of the board and staff studied the grain on top of their table. They either did not care, or were ashamed!?! "

You know what wrote on Aug 22, 2007 5:36 PM:

" when it comes to my kids, I'm not gonna calm down. "

Yeah respect... wrote on Aug 22, 2007 5:35 PM:

" it would be nice if the board members showed some for the parents as well. "

To To Kelly wrote on Aug 22, 2007 4:30 PM:

" Please lighten up... It's just amazing how the same people are in the paper.... This can be worked out, if all the parents would calm down and have some respect for the board members "

NOT ANTI-Gridley wrote on Aug 22, 2007 3:40 PM:

" Stop being so paranoid that it's ANTI-Gridley! It's ANTI-lottery!! KEEP GRADES TOGETHER AND STOP RANDOM SELECTION!! "

You're missing the point!!! wrote on Aug 22, 2007 3:35 PM:

" It's not the bussing!!!! It's the random/lottery drawing of students outside of the school they should attend. If they sent the entire grade, this wouldn't be such an issue. There are options that should be explored to prevent this in the future. There is a problem because Special Education needs have changed and taken 2 additional classrooms away from JP. This will continue to be a problem every year. Let's look for a better solution!! Who wants to live with the unknown every year, not knowing where you'll attend school. We need a permanent solution, not a band-aid! "

Had it wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:55 PM:

" I'm an El Paso graduate, 2 children Gridley graduates, 1 El Paso Gridley Graduate. Been there, done that. Be glad your not in IN where they have county schools, and we would all have our kids go to Bloomington. Even in Bloomington Nornal you would have to have your K - 4 bused to some extent. No place is perfect, and if you don't like it, run for the school board yourself. Then you'll see it's not as easy as it looks. Your families are NOT the only families in this district, believe it or not! Your sole priority here should be the best education for your chillren, not where they will attend. Get rid of the "anit"Gridley attitude. "

EPG Graduate wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:55 PM:

" Also, if any of you have the time, check out the state testing standards and compare Gridley Grade School to Jefferson Park's scores. I did this after my brother took the ISAT and it was shocking to see the differences in what percentage of students met or exceeded the state standards. Needless to say Gridley's percentage was significantly higher so these parents should be happy that their children are going to a school with better state rankings. This is public information that can be found on the state school board website so instead of insulting other people's opinions, take the time to find out how good of a school has. "

EPG Graduate wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:47 PM:

" I have a right to an opinion just like everyone else on here so please respect that and don't talk to me like I am a child "

TO: EPG Graduate wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:16 PM:

" Let the parents, community and school district deal with this issue -don't over burden yourself. It sounds like you have enough wounds to heal considering your poor education from EPG. "

EPG Graduate wrote on Aug 22, 2007 10:51 AM:

" I graduated from EPG in '06 and I am sick and tired of hearing ElPaso parents complain about their child being bussed to Gridley for school. Do you people not realize that the only ECE is in ElPaso so there are 3 and 4 year olds riding the bus over every day! They can handle it so why can't older children. Also, if you think about it, Gridley students spend 6 years in ElPaso but EP kids only spend 2 in Gridley. People should stop complaining and learn that they need to make sacrifices too. You earned some amazing teachers from Gridley and you all should appriciate it. I was not impressed with some of the EP High School staff and am making sure my little brother does not have to go to that High School because of the terrible education I got from some of the staff my last two years of high school. "

To: TO KELLY wrote on Aug 22, 2007 9:02 AM:

" NO, she is not the only one talking at the school board meetings and definately not the only parent upset. Many who attended the school board meetings didn't have children affected, but could in the future. The pantagraph and PJS only interview a few parents and make a few phone calls. If you want the real scoop - get a copy of last weeks El Paso Journal. They attend every school board meeting. "

To Kelly wrote on Aug 21, 2007 5:28 PM:

" you seem to be the only one to talk at these meetings your name is in all the papers in regards to this issue... If it's not a big deal then quit talking...... Let's work on making things for the better "

We tried to warn you! wrote on Aug 21, 2007 5:04 PM:

" Many of my friends and I voted "NO" for the consolidation of the El Paso - Gridley schools. We attended the meetings, and listened to their "plans"........................and it was stated "that for the FIRST year of consolidation the only transfers would include the 7th and 8th graders going to Gridley and the Gridley High Schoolers coming here to El Paso. There were no promises made about any student transfers after the first consolidation year was over, and yes, that included your K-4. And Yes, one of my own children had to attend school in Gridley for a year, and No.......I did NOT like it, and neither did my child! I just want to know where all the people of this community (El Paso) were at then? Why didn't you listen? And like my friends and I did, you could have voted NO! It's too late now........................................................................... "

To Kelly wrote on Aug 21, 2007 4:03 PM:

" When we consolidated Jim Miller said that down the road there could be a possibility that kids had to move to keep class sizes down. I think people would complain no matter what was up with this consolidation thing. I am sorry your kids were affected by this and yes the board should have communicated better. WOuld you have been happy if your kid was in a room with 28 + kids and wasn't getting the help they needed in school? I think bussing is a small issue compaired to the kids being in a smaller class setting, be it in Gridley or El Paso, and getting the help they need to get a good education. "

Kelly wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:40 PM:

" My "little darling" did just fine on the 1st day. I believe if you read the PJS, they quoted me in saying that. This is about the boards lack of communication with the parents and the fact we were lied to when we consolidated. No more, no less!! I am glad your "little darling" wasn't affected by this, and sorry that mine was. "

I think~ wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:31 AM:

" It was the unknowing of what was happening with the kids. I heard just a few weeks before school was when parents found out their kids would be bussed. It will work out (if it has'nt already) and hopefully the parents will be better informed of such major changes in the future. GO TITANS!!!! "

to just curious wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:53 AM:

" They probably did better than the parents want us to know, so we probably won't hear anything. Kids adjust better than adults give them credit for. I do hope things went well for the kids. "

just curious wrote on Aug 20, 2007 6:44 PM:

" how did the Lil darlings handle the first day of school? "

To Good Greif wrote on Aug 19, 2007 9:46 PM:

" you are welcome to delete this blog from your favorites if it bothers you that much. Just an idea. "

To No sense wrote on Aug 19, 2007 8:27 PM:

" For confidentiality and leverage purposes I will not share more. however, be assured that if the school stays on this path of removing parents from child welfare decisions, you will find out before next year how this state interprets. And I've grown tired of answering your banter. good luck. "

Good Grief wrote on Aug 19, 2007 2:57 PM:

" You people are still at it? Does your employer know how you are using your time at work? Don't your kids start school this week?! Time to MOVE ON and accept the situation for what it is. "

you people wrote on Aug 18, 2007 6:55 PM:

" make our communities look like a bunch or whinning crying pouting babies. yes you all have a right to voice your openion, and not everyone is going to agree. say what you feel like saying and let someone else say what they want. this however has turned into a big im right your wronge contaversy. get over it grow up and let it drop. your making the rest of the community look bad with all this bickering among each other. we need to stand up together not on seperate battle line. "

No Sense at all... wrote on Aug 18, 2007 12:35 AM:

" To 8/17 @ 4:40pm - Since you imply that you know the civil rights that have been violated, cite them. I doubt you will. I can find case law on just about any subject, and supreme court testimony, oh yes, that makes your arguement. Remember - the courts cannot make law, just interpret it. Like I said, I can find thousands of attorneys that will tell me I've got a winable case, just be sure to pay the 6 figure retainer first! "

to: el paso vs gridley wrote on Aug 17, 2007 8:18 PM:

" we do not elect thornburge, james, or kurz (and you forgot one, krug). they are hired and approved by the school board which we do elect. personal i did not vote for the first time ever this last election. why? becouse i was not pleased by the former board, those rerunning i had no desire for and the new ones, well i did not know personaly to make a call weather i wanted to vote for them or not. they can earn my vote next time the run. however the election before i voted all knew to the board. personaly the only good thing i feel they have done is hire krug, thornburge, and kurts. i think they are all great asset to our school and has done a great job. just like everyone else they may make some bad calls. i feel this call was bad of thornburge and kurtz, but lets wait and see if they can correct it before they are deemed terrible. "

To NO SENSE wrote on Aug 17, 2007 4:40 PM:

" If you really want to know how childs rights are being violated please call an education attorney, civil rights atty, or IL Dept of Ed. They will fill you in. Yes there is case law, yes their is supreme court testimony on involuntary transfer. You can also call your local legislator; you might find their opinion enlightening. You can google their contact #'s, but I doubt you will. "

Sad wrote on Aug 17, 2007 3:35 PM:

" Our board will not address the parents or look them in the eye in a public setting. They will not answer questions, or defend their policy. EPG has never FORCED any GRIDLEY (non-special) child to go to ELP and probably never will. Why do parents not go to board meetings? BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MATTER TO THEM WHAT PARENTS THINK. They are the supreme rulers and need no advice. "

Gridley vs EP wrote on Aug 17, 2007 3:29 PM:

" It is Gridley verus EP; however not the parents but the BOARD (majority from GRIDLEY). The GRIDLEY-elpaso Board is pouing serveral 100k into Gridley, not including the $50,000+ ELP track money for cinders in GRIDLEY. They are also pouring our ELP kids into the school to justify not TEARING IT DOWN. James, Kurz, and Throneburg are your board. If you want to fix our school system DUMP the entire board and elect officials not afraid of administrators. "

Christine-Part of the Solution wrote on Aug 17, 2007 1:22 PM:

" I can not believe the way people who live in my community and beyond are arguing in such a childish, inconsiderate manner. We are adults, act like one. If you want to be a part of the solution, get involved, keep in touch with others and end this blog, it's going nowhere. If someone would like to start a private one to be a part of the solution and keep the parents of the K-4 students informed and involved, please let me know. I'm done with reading this. "

Here's a thought wrote on Aug 17, 2007 8:45 AM:

" Why don't you all just get over yourselves. Do I think it's right for students in the same family to be split up? No. Do I think it's right that the parents should hire an attorney to protect their children's rights? No. However, I think the school boards of ALL consolidated schools are struggling and it's not their fault. They are trying to do the best with what they have been given. If you are truely looking for someone to blame, blame our esteemed leader in Springfield, oops, I mean Chicago. And as far as the parents and the hiring of an attorney...come on, get real. If you're so worried about your kids, what message do you think this is sending to them? Ours has become a litigation-happy society where everybody thinks they are "owed". Well, sometimes things happen and instead of wasting time, money and resources in assigning "blame", just shut up and deal wtih it. You'll waste less time and money in the long run. "

the answers wrote on Aug 17, 2007 8:38 AM:

" 1. We are all held hostage with our child's education. 2. School choice really is the answer. 3. Your administration and teachers are not underpaid. Look at the results which we are complaining about now. 4. Probably the best solution is disciplined teaching environment would easily allow 22-30 kids in classroom. Line up the desks, put a uniform on them, and make the teachers do their jobs - which is teach by the way. "

No Sense at all... wrote on Aug 17, 2007 2:54 AM:

" Many here are wonderful at making my points for me. What difference does it make what time I post, that has no bearing on my arguements. Nor would it matter if I was John Hartness himself (I'm not). I said this wasn't a good situation (bussing the JP kids) yet many of you think I'm for this solution. To 8/16 @ 9:31am - I did say that I was assuming this is what the attorney told them but I don't see anything else I assumed. Everything else I said in my last post was based on facts (the law), simplified somewhat, but facts nonetheless. What difference does it make how many people hired lawyers? I'm sure I could find several thousand attorneys willing to take my money to sue anyone about anything. And again, the board can ignore the parents input, not that they'll likely be reelected, but they are still within the law. I'm still waiting for someone to state how these kids rights were violated....... "

What do other schools do? wrote on Aug 16, 2007 11:43 AM:

" What do other schools like Lexington or Eureka do with the new laws of Special Education and they don't have additional schools to send kids off to? "

Replican wrote on Aug 16, 2007 11:27 AM:

" When are people going to realize that no one cares about children anymore, get with the times and get over it! "

Spec Ed wrote on Aug 16, 2007 11:02 AM:

" those who wrote teacher spots not cut are technically correct - teachers were re-assigned from teaching classes of K and 3 to teaching spec ed ... so class sizes increased and busing occurs because of accomodating spec ed. i am trying to be compassionate but at the same time realistic: it is not right to hamper the education of most just in an effort to improve the education of a small minority. in any other case (race, gender, etc.) this would not be acceptable. thats not just EPG, thats everywhere. but it's not PC to say the truth about this subject. "

Hate to say it ... wrote on Aug 16, 2007 10:59 AM:

" but the underlying cause is special rights for special ed students. The special ed advocates have gotten laws passed that now guarantee unequal education - special ed kids are guaranteed so much more than the rest of the kids. I have sympathy that they need more, but must it come at the expense of my children? It was bad enough when we were just pouring vast amounts of money into that hole, now we're busing kids to accomodate - not the spec ed kids, the other uninvolved kids! "

to No Sense (at all) wrote on Aug 16, 2007 9:31 AM:

" Your last blog was directed towards my comments. You assume too much. I do not know the Tenbroeks or their atty. Do not be fooled into thinking they are the only family who hired a lawyer. Lawyers (plural) were hired to discover families options (not to sue) as the bd/admin have ignored parents. If the school does not listen to reason, you may suprised. I hope it does not have to get to that point and common sense prevails. "

to no sense wrote on Aug 16, 2007 8:47 AM:

" I've read a few of your blogs. Your passion for our Bd and Admin and unwaivering support for this insane policy in the face of public outcry is surprising. It occurs to me now, that you may be the one who actually came up with this policy or are on the Board. If so, shame on you. Stop being stubborn and do the right thing. "

To No Sense wrote on Aug 16, 2007 8:38 AM:

" Unless you are a Judge or Civil Lawyer, your opinion on rights violation has little value. I've heard a lawyers opinion on the action of EPG already, and you are incorrect. Their is cause and a court would likely intervene, but we really should not have to go down that path. I hope the board/Admin changes their course before this has to happen. "

Question for Fieldcrest wrote on Aug 16, 2007 8:13 AM:

" Does Fieldcrest draw names-numbers out of a hat or randomly select kids to be bussed to a school to go to another town - 2 weeks before school starts? I didn't think so. "

To NO SENSE AT ALL wrote on Aug 16, 2007 8:07 AM:

" Does this issue bother you so much that you are up at 1:30 in the morning thinking about it? Don't allow your emotions against parents (who love their children and have a right to an opinion) keep you up at night. Get some sleep. "

Fieldcrest told you so! wrote on Aug 16, 2007 4:36 AM:

" obviously, NO ONE in Elpaso Gridley watched what happened just a few miles north of them......we told you so! MDR consolidated w/ Toluca and Wenona in 1992, and we are still arguing and reeling about changes. MANY of us have kids in three different towns. That's just the way it is....get over it! (or move) Too bad you all didn't pay a little closer attention to our woes as we tried to tell you when you all got excited about a consolidation. If you had, you wouldn't be in the boat you're in now. Now you just gotta suck it up and deal with it, because constant whining and bickering is only affecting your children negatively. Everyone has said enough already. Now pack your bags and go to school! "

No Sense at all... wrote on Aug 16, 2007 1:58 AM:

" In response to the posts on 8/15 8:24am @ 8:42am - Unless the open meetings act was violated by the board, there has been no violation of the parents right to to be involved in this decision. Notice I said INVOLVED, meaning they can input their opinions at an open meeting. The board is elected to make decisions based on what they see fit, not the parents. They can completely disregard any input from the public at meetings. This is how our government works, a democratic republic anyway. Now if the board doesn't listen to the majorities input, they likely won't be reelected. If they engage in criminal acts, they can be throw out through other means as well. I also disagree that any civil rights have been violated. The children chosen weren't selected based on race, religion or sexual preference. They are not being denied equal education nor are they having to endure anything hundreds of other students in the district have to, i.e. the bus ride. I'm assuming this is what the attorney told the Tenbroeks... "

No Sense at all... wrote on Aug 16, 2007 1:49 AM:

" In response to the post on 8/15 8:24 @ 8:42 - Unless the open meetings act was violated by the board, there has been no violation of the parents right to to be involved in this decision. Notice I said INVOLVED, meaning they can input their opinions at an open meeting. The board is elected to make decisions based on what they see fit, not the parents. This is how government works, a republic anyway. Now if the board doesn't listen to the majorities input, they likely won't be reelected. I also disagree that any civil rights have been violated. The selected children weren't selected based on race, religion, sexual preference "

To Just want to know ... wrote on Aug 15, 2007 9:14 PM:

" That's exactly what it means. The Administration is obviously not considering siblings when pulling kids from a hat, why would twins be any different, or get any special treatment ? There are kids at JP with brothers and sisters also at JP. They will ask you if you want to send BOTH your twins, but would NOT let both stay. That's some choice isn't it? I will never understand this decision. "

To Just want to know wrote on Aug 15, 2007 9:03 PM:

" You would have the option of sending them both - but at least one would have to go. One thing I would like to know is how it works with numbers when they've drawn out of a hat and get more voluteers with siblings during the phone calls. Do they call back someone they've already called and tell them they don't have to go? "

just want to know wrote on Aug 15, 2007 7:13 PM:

" If I had twins in 4th and one was pulled out of the hat I would have one going to each school ? "

You "assume" you know -- wrote on Aug 15, 2007 6:55 PM:

" You have no idea how parents handle this issue with their children. You are making an assumption that because we as parents voice our concerns, we are voicing them to our children. In dealing with our children -- it's not an issue or if it is it remains positive. Doesn't mean the parent should just "go with the flow" if other -- better -- options are possible. We are going through the proper channels - talking to administrators -- board members -- just because you don't like what is said on a blog doesn't give you the right to assume that we as parents are inflicting hate and intolerance towards another community or that we are showing our children how to be whiners. We love and want what is best for our kids and that includes dealing with life's punches and being tolerant. You know the old phrase -- never "assume" anything. "

School Board wrote on Aug 15, 2007 5:00 PM:

" What is the point of having a school board if the administration just does whatever they want? "

Looking at the Future wrote on Aug 15, 2007 4:54 PM:

" Why should I get over it, when there is a possibility of exploring other options? If I as a taxpayer want to speak up for what I think is best for the community, I have that right. "

Watch your mouth! wrote on Aug 15, 2007 4:49 PM:

" I am shocked at the manners you have shown and am ashamed as a local that you would expose yourself in this way. These are adult only conversations - which is a good thing since your language needs a little soap and water. "

To Shut UP wrote on Aug 15, 2007 4:34 PM:

" Do I look like I live on the far East side of Normal? No, I don’t. If you CHOSE to live there, then obviously it’s not a high priority for you where your child gets bussed, HOWEVER, it is to me. I CHOSE to live in El Paso. For 12 years my husband drove 35 miles to work BECAUSE we wanted a small town/small school environment for our kids. It would have cut 20 minutes off his drive to move to Bloomington, but we didn’t want the worry of not knowing where our children would be bussed EVERY YEAR. I understand you standing up for your school (Gridley), but how do you think most Gridley parents feel about bussing their K-4 students to EP against the parents consent? I was unaware until 2 weeks ago that was even being done. As a Parent, I, for one, am tired of being in the dark on issues that directly affect my children, and will stand up with any other parent that feels the same, from Gridley OR EP. Your comment “(are you smart enough to know where that's at?)” is uncalled for and unappreciated. "

Way to go - SHUT UP wrote on Aug 15, 2007 3:57 PM:

" I am shocked to see that these people are STILL complaining about this! Yes, you have a right to your opinion. Yes, you have a right to complain, but as ADULTS and PARENTS of these children affected, you have a responsibility to GET OVER IT and move on. Children learn from their parents (unfortunately, in some cases.) Look at what you are teaching your kids - inability to deal with change, intolerance, and a “my way or the highway” attitude. Good Job, you really ought to be proud of yourselves! Quit complaining and get your kids some nice school supplies! "

TO: Shut Up wrote on Aug 15, 2007 3:08 PM:

" Or should I say grow up. Parents and communities have a right to voice their opinion, just as you have so obnoxiously voiced yours. It is not one town against the other. Most parents involved aren't alumni of either town. I am glad to hear you had a good experience growing up in Gridley. It is a nice community and if I lived there I would want my young children in k-4 to go to school there, just as I live in El Paso and want my k-4 child in my home community. "

Shut-up wrote on Aug 15, 2007 12:56 PM:

" Gridley should've consolidated with Lex/Chenoa when they had the chance. Bill James would've been either out of a job or had to take a pay cut. You all voted, get over it. There are people living on the far east side of Normal (are you smart enough to know where that's at?) that have to bus their junior high children to Chiddix. With all the traffic, that's further and more dangerous than a 7 mile straight stretch. You voted. I graduated from Gridley with some of the nicest teachers and the facility was fine. Water? Bloomington's isn't the greatest either. Do you read the National news or just the Pantagraph? Did you hear they don't think bottled water is the safest now either. All you former Gridley/EP alumni complaining and now sending your kids - you had your chance to leave but you didn't. So, shut-up. School is starting, and teachers are under paid as it is. They're the ones going to suffer from all this, along with the students. "

to INFORMED PARENTS wrote on Aug 15, 2007 9:55 AM:

" There were 4 SECTIONS of BOTH Kindergarten and Third Grade last year. Now there are only 3! How were third grade parents notified? "

Informed Parents wrote on Aug 15, 2007 9:46 AM:

" All EP kindergarten parents that went to orientation in the spring were told by Kelly that shifting students would be a possibility. EP has the same number of teachers and classrooms that they had last year. There were NO teachers or classrooms cut at JP or within the district. In fact, 1 classroom/teacher has been added. As a citizen, we have access to all of the board minutes. I have reviewed the minutes from the meetings and this "shifting" plan was never approved or voted on by the board. It wasn't the board's decision. It was our administration and Kelly wasn't at any of the summer board meetings because of family issues. The administration is running our district. "

To to question to parents wrote on Aug 15, 2007 9:28 AM:

" I agree they (board members & administration) should have been out talking to the parents and the parents should have known before school registration, but my question still stands, HOW MANY PARENTS WOULD HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO MOVE THEIR KIDS EVEN IF THE BOARD AND ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE BEEN UP FRONT WITH ALL THE INFO? Parents should be involved with their kids education (sorry if I was unclear about that earlier). There should be a lot more communication between the board and parents. They should check the local paper (and yes it should be put in the Pantagraph or PJS) to keep up on the goings on at the school. IF they have any doubts call the school and go through the chain of command until they get answers. "

To QUESTION TO PARENTS wrote on Aug 15, 2007 9:14 AM:

" I think you misunderstand the reason for the frustration. Student numbers have not grown and they've known the numbers all along. This is due to a decision to cut the number of teachers at JP. Parents and students were never told about this. Some parents didn't know until registration, unless they read the local paper and that it had been passed by the school board mid summer. If they knew this was a possiblity - they should've involved or at least informed the parents. This was handled inappropriately and unprofessionally. No one saw this coming - and remember - numbers are the same, if not a few smaller! Parent involvement is important - like CHRISTINE said - let them be part of the solution! Just don't expect them to "sit" "lay down" "roll over" - just because they think it's best. "

to no sense wrote on Aug 15, 2007 9:02 AM:

" you made a great point. Just because the school CAN treat kids as only a number doesn't mean they should. They have the power (today) to move a child to a different building every week if they want. And with the boards new policy, they do not have ask permission of the parent. "

To Question wrote on Aug 15, 2007 8:55 AM:

" Asking is better; they may have had more volunteers. However a bigger issue may be how the school made this decision last winter/spring and withheld the plan from parents until a few weeks before school. Board members have indvidually stated the reasoning behing this was not fully disclosed (or they did not ask). Other (better) options may not have been given needed attention. "

Question to parents wrote on Aug 15, 2007 8:46 AM:

" How many people IF ASKED would have moved their K or 3rd graders? I ran into this problem when my older son was in K (yes this was many years ago) and they decided to move kids in November after the they had adjusted to their classes. If I would have been asked before the start of school I would have agreed or even agreed to it a couple of weeks into the year but not months into the school year. Maybe this is the best solution because no one gets a choice. Sounds like most of you WOULDN"T have moved your kids anyway. "

To NO Sense cont.... wrote on Aug 15, 2007 8:42 AM:

" But the school needs to consider the welfare of ALL children, not just IEP's. All of the arguments the school has made for protecting these children are the same arguments parents of the rest of the children are presenting. If the Admin/Board will not listen (in good faith), then parents are left with little choice, but to seek council. This is the benefit of a democratic society "

To NO Sense wrote on Aug 15, 2007 8:24 AM:

" Right of parents particpiating in the decision process of how and where their child is educated. The Admin has told parents "we are moving your child; and there is nothing that can be done about it". If the school will not accept a parents opinion; it may a be a civil rights violation. Parents may argue: social, emotional, phsycological harm, etc. Courts will make that decision (if needed), however, dialog with the school is the best course of action. "

No Sense at all... wrote on Aug 15, 2007 7:39 AM:

" To all who criticize my opinion, good for you for having an opinion BUT please point out where I ever said that you don't have a right to complain. I said I disagree with the way the Tenbroeks are going about this: hiring an attorney and running to the Pantagraph. I said earlier that they have the right to do so, but just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should. It seems that many are reading what they want to into my words. This is the problem with many people today, you can't have a differing opinion or you get compared with being for Russia (?) or that I'm trying to suppress your opinions. Too many are afraid to go against the flow or listen to logic instead of emotion. Also, I never said this was a good situation, just that it is a necessary one according to the board. AGAIN - WHAT RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED???!!! Answer this simple question....cite a law...please draw me a picture... "

To Christine wrote on Aug 14, 2007 10:03 AM:

" I completely agree with with you. The administration should have notified the parents ealier through letters or through the local newspaper that this was a possibility. I don't think the board is to blame for this, but mainly Kelly. She has seemed to get an idea in her head and won't change regardless of the benefits. Why did they transfer students to make Gridley's class sizes larger and why didn't they transfer 2nd graders to even out class sizes. From 1 board member that I talked to yesterday, Kelly has not communicated with the board since June about this issue and is currently not answering their questions. "

Christine-Part of the Solution wrote on Aug 13, 2007 11:36 PM:

" I have a 3rd grader and I was not notified to be a part of the solution and this is why the parents are so upset, no other reason is acceptable. Why was I not notified before registration personally about this situation? A form at registration was not sufficent for me to make a decision. Why was a meeting not held for the parents of the 3rd grade class? I still do not know all of the reasons behind the decision. Is it class size? Is it not wanting to hire another teacher? Is it is lack of space available? Why were volunteers not asked at the end of 2nd grade to prepare for 3rd if we knew it was going to be a problem? Why is this being handled through the media instead of with me personally as a parent of a 3rd grader? Let me be a part of the solution, that is all every parent wants. "

more info wrote on Aug 13, 2007 12:58 PM:

" When looking at class sizes you also have to consider special needs students. Just because a JP class may have 20, 5 of those kids may have IEP's Where the Gridley class of 22 may not have any or vice versa. Some kids special needs could be time equivalent to 5 more extra students being in the class. "

i can't wait wrote on Aug 13, 2007 10:57 AM:

" until next year when this happens again for 1st and 6th grade classes....got my front row seats reserved! "

...... wrote on Aug 13, 2007 9:41 AM:

" i walked away feeling as if the board was clueless, we said what we needed to say and i felt 100% sure of the fact that they had no clue to anything prior to us speaking up. i also feel as though they could have really cared less what we had to say, we were just putting a damper on there time. i walked away feeling as if the board was clueless, we said what we needed to say and i felt 100% sure of the fact that they had no clue to anything prior to us speaking up. i also feel as though they could have really cared less what we had to say, we were just putting a damper on there time. "

board meetings wrote on Aug 13, 2007 9:40 AM:

" i have been to several board meeting for other topics. i was not and do not know what took place at the board meetings on this topic or how and what was discussed. i am not speaking on this topic alone, but on what i have seen and learned first hand on other topics and other things that did not pertain to me but was also being discussed while i was present. the board was presented with information, at which they accepted or denied, or chose to discuss at a latter time. from what i experienced was the board is not the ones who come up with ideas, or plans or have really a whole lot of say, they just say yes or no, ands really i don't think they spend a lot of time in debate on it. i was present at these past board meetings as a employee to discuss and fight for my job (back when all the cuts were being made). "

Out of Room wrote on Aug 13, 2007 9:28 AM:

" There are 46 LESS students at JP this year (down 12%); why are we out of room?? That is 2 large classrooms. "

right to be angree wrote on Aug 13, 2007 9:11 AM:

" i look at it as if you arleady have 20 kids in a class, what does 1 or 2 more hurt. i dont look at it as my childs ecucation will be hendered becouse of a few kids. however i think gridley parents should be equaly upset if not more. they are going from a class size of 14 to 22. that is 8 more kids not just 1 or 2. i guess what im wondering is why they felt it was necessary to transfer the amount of kids being transfered, when now that the switch has been made they will be in a larger class than what they left. i can understand a few, and maybe if more time was spent asking enough would have volenteeres, that it would have never been necessary to force anyone. i agree with the prior post that it looks as if only 3 kids justifiable needed switched "

To Who made wrote on Aug 13, 2007 8:56 AM:

" Great questions: At the last Bd meeting and when bd members and Admins were asked directly, we got a lot of double-talk with few real answers. However at the Bd Meeting the bd said no board policy was made, but the press stated indeed they did approve the policy in June (to transfrer students w/o parent consent). None of the Bd members we spoke to realized that Admin had cut sections (K/3). In fact they said we were wrong until we showed them the class lists. "

explain this class size wrote on Aug 13, 2007 8:50 AM:

" kindergarden. ep 20/20/18. 11 kids trasfered to gridley. gridley 22/22. why cound el paso not have 22 in each class but gridley can. it would mean 8 out of the 11 kids would not need transfered. that means they only needed 3 to volenteer to switch. now third grade. ep 19/21/21 gridley 22/22. 14 were transfered. looks to me if el paso kept a equal class size of 22 than 5 less needed to be transfered. and as far as keeping classes equal why does el paso have odd numbers per class. right wrong or indifferent these numbers speak alot louder than the resoning behind the transfer. el paso better fight to keep there kids, and gridley better fight to keep there smaller class sizes. it is unfair to both. if i want my child in a smaller class size i will ask to transfer them or i will move to gridley and take care of the problem myself as a parent, as my choice. get it people it is a choice "

Who made the decision? wrote on Aug 13, 2007 8:35 AM:

" Does the school board really control this issue or do the administrators? I don't contact the board about what teacher I do or don't want for my child. The principal makes the class lists not the board. I've called to voice my concerns to the board. I need to make sure that I call the principals who recommended this change and followed through with it. I don't think that the board ever formally voted on or adopted this policy from my understanding. They were informed about shifting just as they are informed about what textbooks the district is using. When I'm upset about my child's placement with a certain teacher rather that teacher be down the 1st hall or down the 2nd hall OR in El Paso or Gridley...I discuss the issue with the principal. I'm sure I'll be attacked for this reasoning, but don't administrators have the control over class lists? "

numbers wrote on Aug 13, 2007 8:35 AM:

" check out elpasogridley.blgspot.com. for the exact class sizing. i found it very interesting, and a big thank you to who put in the time and effort on those details. very interesting that gridley classes are now larger than jp classes. odd it may only be a few but couldnt the larger class remain in jp and save a few from the transfer. another odd thing is why are class sizes as a district going down? i felt your frustrations but didnt know the details exacttly, this just summs it all up that although not all the kids transfered may not have been in the best judgment but deffinatly not all of them should have been transfered. you have a fight here, keep it up. "

Longago wrote on Aug 13, 2007 6:31 AM:

" hush the noise. Its pittance to discuss this issue as being large. Go elsewhere to get a real view of educational problems. When the little country schools closed their doors so did some of the values of education, family values and tarnished logistic costs. We would do well to focus on education, not school buildings. Not where but the quality of teaching. We need to be concerned with the quality. That is where the decay of education lies today. As a parent, one should be concerned their child is receiving a good education and not whether they have good sports or buildings. Both towns should hold their head high and be proud out loud. Their are a lot worse school districts. Been there and done that! "

FRIEND wrote on Aug 12, 2007 8:04 PM:

" EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET ALONG FOR THE CHILDREN. THINGS CHANGE DAILY IN OUR LIVES. CONSOILDATION IS NOT EASY FOR ANYONE. THE CHILDREN ARE GETTING READY TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL TO LEARN AND MAKE NEW FRIENDS. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEIR PARENTS ARGUING ABOUT WHERE THEY GO TO SCHOOL. SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE MOVE TO ANOTHER TOWN OR OUT OF STATE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. IT MAY BE THE CHILD'S FRIEND THAT LEAVES. PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THIS AND NOT BE UPSET THAT THE PERSON HAS LEFT, BUT TRY AND STILL HAVE A FRIENDSHIP WITH THE THAT PERSON. THE ONLY ONE THAT GETS HURT BY THIS NAME CALLING IS THE CHILDREN. "

Numbers wrote on Aug 12, 2007 7:55 PM:

" To a couple of you who are thowing around numbers in response to ealier posts by Julie and To Julie: Please do your homework before making up numbers to support your argument. Gridley in K and 3 (the "leveled" classes are now ALL bigger than ELP); They only have one classroom each in 1st and 2nd at 17 kids and 14 kids. (off the class lists); More disturbing total enrollment is down alot. I wonder why? "

Kelly wrote on Aug 12, 2007 4:39 PM:

" I am not sure that those of you who come from very large towns like B-N understand that the school systems in large towns are not what we want for our kids. I am not saying that they are bad systems, just not what I am looking for my kids. That is why I don't live in a large community. My husband drives back and forth to Decatur every day for work that is almost 2.5 hours a day just driving. He does it because we don't want the kids in a large school district. That is our choice. I am 3 doors from the school. My kid is going. I don't like it. "

To Another Problem wrote on Aug 12, 2007 11:32 AM:

" Building another school requires money which requires more taxes. Is that what you want? The parents in Unit 5 are laughing over this issue because while their students don't get bused out of their community, they get bused further than 7-10 miles to school. Often, they get bused to another school when a school is within walking distance of their house. This is how you even out class sizes. Children are being bused within the district in both cases. "

To Julie wrote on Aug 12, 2007 11:28 AM:

" Let's just say that you send 6th grade to Gridley next year. What do you do for the fourth graders? There will be 2 sections in Gridley because they have at least 32 students making each section have 16. There are 3 4th grade classrooms in ElPaso. There are 80 ElPaso students which makes 27-28 students per classroom. Are you willing to have your daughter be in a classroom of 28 students just to ensure that she stays in her home community? Your respose might be to add another section. Where will that section be housed? For financial reasons, why add a section when you already have 5 teachers that can divide those students into classrooms of 22-23? Moving 6th grade to Gridley doesn't answer the problem of differences in class sizes. The only way to solve this problem is attendance centers. "

To no sense at all wrote on Aug 12, 2007 11:25 AM:

" For 3 years parents were ASKED: "would you like to send you kid ELP"; This year parents were TOLD: " you child is going to Gridley and THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT....WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEND YOUR OTHER CHILDREN TOO?" Do we need to draw a picture? "

To Thank You Julie wrote on Aug 12, 2007 11:22 AM:

" Which classes in Gridley have less than 15 students? There is one section of first grade and one section of second grade. Each have over 20 students. 4 4th grade students are being bused from Gridley to ElPaso leaving the 4th grade with 24 students. Also, no teachers were cut. Also, no teachers were cut. "

To Julie wrote on Aug 12, 2007 11:17 AM:

" For next year, the 2 3rd grade classes at Gridley have 22 and 23. The 3 3rd grade classes at JP each have 22. I'm not sure why one of Gridley's classes has one more. For Kindergarten, each section currently has 21. "

Growth? Not sure about that one? wrote on Aug 12, 2007 10:08 AM:

" Actually, I'm not sure about growth. From what I understand the EP-JP class numbers stay fairly consistent. The third grade has approximately the same numbers of other grades at JP that are 4 sections - but they've been sectioned down to 3. Kindergarten over the past few years - thinking they can sqeak by with 3 sections, has had to hire a teacher a week before or a week after school starts to accomodate the numbers. When class sizes have gotten up to 26-28 kids (as has happened in 4th grade classes in the past), it's because the lack of a 4th section. I could be wrong about growth, it just seems through the years this has been the norm. If JP has the need of 4 sections in all grade levels they should keep 4. Maybe JP just needs a couple of classrooms added on to accomodate the new Spec Ed classrooms they've added. If you want numbers - call a school board member or administrator. Their names are listed at www.Unit11.org "

To No Sense wrote on Aug 12, 2007 8:50 AM:

" I now get it. If we agree with you then we are standing up for what we beleive in; If we don't agree with you, we should not voice our opinion. I think they tried that in Russia. Thanks! "

To No Sense At All wrote on Aug 12, 2007 8:03 AM:

" How can you say " I am standing up for what I believe in." But then when other parents stand up for what they believe in characterize their actions as 'running' or 'complaining' or 'setting a bad example'? You may disagree with their position, but they are fighting for their children and rights and views just as you are. Let's be a little more consistent shall we? If you disagree with their position, fine. Say that. Don't attack them so personally and make them out to be bad people. "

Another Problem wrote on Aug 12, 2007 5:41 AM:

" Anyone notice that EP is growing fast? If class sizes were really the issue here, then the issue is only going to get worse. Regardless of how stupidly this was handled, we should be coming together to solve the much bigger problem that is looming ahead. Frankly I don't see how we can fix this problem without building a new school. We need to stop fighting and start planning. Otherwise we will be right back here at the start of every school year. "

To NO SENSE AT ALL wrote on Aug 12, 2007 5:01 AM:

" Is your child that is being bussed to Gridley a current pick this year or are they going over with the rest of their class? If you lived in EP, within walking distance of the school, would you really want your child to attend school in another town for k-4th when your town offers those grades and you pay taxes there. It's not a EP vs. G war. Why don't you stop complaining and slamming other parents, everyone is entitled to their opinion and right to speak up for what they believe in. This could be an issue every year and while I don't have a child affected this year, I might in the future. What is the point of living in town when your kids might be bussed to another with a handful of others? What's wrong about voicing this concern? "

Thank you Julie ... wrote on Aug 12, 2007 4:10 AM:

" For pointing out once again the fact that this problem exists because the Administration cut a Kindergarden and a third grade teacher. We are not against small class sizes, actually we've always had them BECAUSE we've had 4 sections. The 3rd grade class has always been an extra large class. I cant help the fact it was a baby boom that year. I'd like to think we're justified in continuing to want four sections in El Paso considering 14 were moved over. Gridley still has classes this year of 14 and 15 in other grades. I dont understand why k and 3rd grader's get "leveled" while other classes still stay the same. Dont misunderstand thou, Im glad they do because I believe it's important for our k-4 kids to stay in their home community. I truly believe there has got to be a better solution. "

Julie - an EPG Parent responds wrote on Aug 11, 2007 10:13 PM:

" Our child is in the 3rd grade class affected. The classes at JP in the past have had 4 sec. with the exception of one having 3, and all have 19-22 students. Since K, classes have been 19-20 students per section and in G numbers were 19 and 14. NEVER has there been 30 in a class for either of my children. The reason behind the problem is the reduction of teachers for grades K and 3rd. A K sec. was moved to Gridley and one elimated for 3rd. As parents we want to know why and try to come up with a better solution. When I say keep grade levels together, I mean move an entire grade - (6th grade to Gridley.) We’ve made calls to the board and admin., attended the latest board meeting, voiced concerns and offered suggestions. I would also like to know why GGS 3rd graders have 22 per class when EP classes are only 18-21? Doesn’t make sense. EP has the need for 4 sections most years. If they can't come up with a solution, I'm afraid attendance ctrs. are next and I'm sure neither town wants to lose k-4. "

To Julie wrote on Aug 11, 2007 8:05 PM:

" How do you propose keeping all of the grade levels together? There is not enough room at JP unless you allow class sizes to reach almost 30. Is that necessarily considered what is best for the students? I understand people's uneasiness with this situation. I'm trying to push people to get past the arguing and come up with feasible solutions for the future. "

No Sense at all... wrote on Aug 11, 2007 7:01 PM:

" I am standing up for what I believe in. What rights are being violated? Please site where it states in the constitution that you have the right to attend the closest school to your house? These children are not being singled out because of their race, religion or other "sinister" reason. Yet many here say they are fighting for their rights? I doubt many of you saying this are aware of what your rights really are. I never said the Tenbroeks don't have a right to grieve the board or even seek council, just that in my opinion it's not a good lesson to teach children. Remember, it takes a village to raise a child, what you do does affect my child. My whole point has been to teach children the right way to deal with these problems instead of looking at possible litigation or immediately saying my "rights" are being violated because I'm being made to go to Gridley for school. By all means, attend the board meetings or run for the board yourself, but to run to the pantagraph or seek council is only going to cause bad feelings, which it seems to have done... "

Recommendations wrote on Aug 11, 2007 11:56 AM:

" To blogger; what were the recommendations? So far, nothing seems to have changed from the orignal policy. Are there alternatives being made available? "

naysayers wrote on Aug 11, 2007 11:35 AM:

" Before you go judging these people's actions, you should probably read what Mr. tenBroek wrote on the elpasogridley blog. He explained their reasons for doing what they did and it is nowhere near as sinister as you are making it out to be. You can also read responses from a few other parents - not many mind you, but a few. It also seems a much calmer discussion than this one. "

Water Quality Report... wrote on Aug 11, 2007 9:18 AM:

" www.ewg.org/tapwater/yourwater/system.php?pwsid=IL1130600 "

Julie - an EPG Parent wrote on Aug 11, 2007 9:16 AM:

" TO NO SENSE AT ALL - Yes, we should deal "minor and major set backs" in life, but as parents, God has bestowed upon us not only the priviledge, but the responsibility to look out for our children. He has entrusted us to look out for their best interest, as well as the world in which we live. While this may be a great experience for some kids, it may not be the best for all or our community. Maybe there are other options that need to be explored. Who really wants to live in a community when your children may not even be able to attend the school? If parents, families, feel called to stand up for what they believe in, why is this wrong? Communication should be calm and respectful. Yelling and insults are not appropriate or effective and impact our children negatively. Our Administrators and Board are not "malicious" In fact, I believe Throneburg and Kurz care alot about our kids - I just don't agree with this plan of student transfer and believe grade levels should be kept together. Standing up for what you believe in should never be wrong. "

To No sense wrote on Aug 11, 2007 8:28 AM:

" I think you are doing a good job with your children and using this as a lesson of you won't always get what you want. Now (listen closely) either stand up and fight for your rights or get out of the way. Either way your right to choose will be defended. "

To Too Bad wrote on Aug 11, 2007 8:06 AM:

" The school board meeting wasn't a waste of time. The board wants your comments and suggestions for improvements. Recommendations were made to the administration by the board after hearing the comments from the parents. "

To Kelly wrote on Aug 11, 2007 7:58 AM:

" It sounds like you have done an excellent job raising your daughter. I would not like to be in your situation where my children are at different grade schools. Your daughter could probably teach many of us grown-ups how to be more mature and handle the bumps in the road with grace. As for the problems with Gridley's schools, I think that they are exaggerated. Most schools have asbestos, even JP. As for the sinks in the bathrooms not working, all of them work whenever I've been in the building. Gridley has 2 of the best janitors around and they work hard to keep things in working order. The water might not taste the best, but it is safe for drinking. Actually, it's better than Minonk's water. "

Eye on the ball wrote on Aug 11, 2007 7:55 AM:

" Hey people, let's not get sidetracked here. The real issue is not whether or not kids can handle being bussed. Of course they can. Children are wonderfully adaptable. The REAL issue at state is parental rights. The government should not be able to make decisions about how your children are raised. I suppose those of you who think this is overblown would also not mind if the EP city council decided to make sure all the churches in town had equal attendance and "randomly" selected you for attendance at a specific church? "

No Sense at all...continued wrote on Aug 11, 2007 7:55 AM:

" The school board had to make a difficult decision. Doesn't anyone know HOW government works? You elect the school board to represent you and operate the district in the best way THEY see fit. That's why who you vote for is important. Yet most people are elected because of their name or status in the city, not what their priorities are or how they deal with difficult situations. It's not a true democracy where everyone has a vote in every matter that comes before the board. The board can listen to input but has every right to ignore the publics input at meetings. Don't like the boards decision, run for a position next election. Then you'll see for yourself how difficult it is. You can't please everyone. "

No Sense at all... wrote on Aug 11, 2007 7:52 AM:

" You're comparing a simple 7 mile bus ride with segregated bathrooms and racial discrimination? Are you for real? These children's civil rights are not being violated. The parents simply do not want their kids going to Gridley school. Instead of turning this into a positive experience for the children, they're teaching that if life throws you a MINOR problem, that you call the local paper and seek an attorneys advice. And don't fool yourself that they wouldn't be litigating this if the attorney thought they had a chance to win. I'm not saying "lay down and take it"; bring your grievances to the board and try to convince them to reconsider but remember the example you set for your children. "

Water? wrote on Aug 11, 2007 7:43 AM:

" My child goes to Gridley for Jr. High already and the water comment concerned me. I've just read the water report from the EPA for 2006 and there were no levels of anything that wasn't in normal range. What exactly is wrong with Gridley's water? "

Parents Rights? wrote on Aug 11, 2007 7:31 AM:

" Parents don't have the right to choose their child's teacher. The administration, not the board or the teachers, makes that decision. The administration choose the teachers for these students. I'm not happy with my student's teacher that the administration chose. I have the right to voice my concern over this teacher, but ultimately I don't have the right to pick my student's teacher. I have the responsibility to help my child and work with the teacher to best educate my child. Talking trash about my child's teacher or their school will not help the situation. Rather than talk trash, help to come up with solutions that may actually work. "

To No Sense At All wrote on Aug 11, 2007 6:39 AM:

" Of course life is not fair. No one said that it is. But there is a difference in learning to deal with life's inequities and not fighting injustice. With a 'lay down and take it' attitude the Civil Rights Movement never would have happened. "

Lawyer wrote on Aug 11, 2007 6:32 AM:

" Why are a few of you worried about hiring a lawyer? Are you afraid of what he will find? "

To No Sense At All wrote on Aug 11, 2007 6:22 AM:

" You are entirely incorrect. The tenBroeks are teaching their children to stand up for themselves and their rights. I wish more Americans would learn to do that. This country has turned into a pool of wimps who would rather whine when they are wronged than do the hard thing and fight for the betterment of society. Some of you have whined about them "suing". Do your research, they have not filed a lawsuit (I checked). If you guys had paid more attention in HS you would know that lawyers can do much more than just sue people. "

No Sense at all... wrote on Aug 11, 2007 2:45 AM:

" In response to Edie Tenbroek: My child IS being bussed to Gridley and no I didn't have a choice either, BUT (and listen closely, this is important) I choose to teach my child to deal with minor setbacks in life rather than complain about them and "hire an attorney" to try to make the situation fit their life. Kids are able to deal with these changes much better than you think. It is a good lesson to learn: LIFE ISN'T FAIR. But the trouble with this country is that everyone thinks their situation should be perfect like they think everyone else's is. Deal with what life gives you instead of complaining about what you don't have and you'll live a much happier existence. We're lucky to have a decent school system in El Paso. You're making a mountain out of a molehill and are teaching your child to do the same. "

Kelly wrote on Aug 10, 2007 11:23 PM:

" My 3rd grader goes, my Ker stays. I live in the 3rd house south of JP. I dont like this one bit! It is not the bus ride, the town of Gridley or the people at the school I don't like, it is the poor condition of the building. Sinks with no running water in bathrooms, what is that?Asbestos under tiles and the boiler is actively dying. I don't even want to see the water report. If I were a GGS parent (I guess I am now) I would be livid!! Fix the school!!! My kid wants to go!! She wants to meet new people and thinks it is funny that she lives 3 doors from school and is going to be a "bus kid". She has expressed concern that she will be treated differently being from EP. In her words, "When we all come together in 5th grade I will already know everyone. I will help the EP and G kids meet each other. I will be able to show the GGS kids around the school. Mom, I think it will be ok, dont worry." "

TOO BAD..... wrote on Aug 10, 2007 8:40 PM:

" The meeting was an apparent waste of time for those of us who attended. Everyone there was in opposition of it whether we had a kid affected or not. Unfortunately, our concerns fell on deaf ears. But, the school board and administration should be concerned about earning back the trust of the people that pay the salaries. "

To Just some facts wrote on Aug 10, 2007 7:12 PM:

" Were you at the meeting?? Not one person (besides the principal) spoke up in favor of the policy. Half of those that did speak up did not have kids in K or 3rd grade, and still wanted to voice their concern. None of the board members gave their opinion. If you feel that parents having a say is not important to you, why did you bother to blog a comment? "

To Facts wrote on Aug 10, 2007 6:50 PM:

" You must have missed the 20 people sitting behind you and the 10 standing in the hall. 9 people spoke in the first 30 minutes alone of the 3 hour meeting. 200 petitions were given to the board; the 2 teachers were pulled from 20+ classrooms each and will work with 3 other teachers (not including aides) educating a total of 15 !?! This is a GREAT use of funds? "

To Embarrassed EGP parents wrote on Aug 10, 2007 6:43 PM:

" You make a great point and I doubt most of bloggers would disagree with working together. The points being discussed are the board and administration taking away parental rights, and the elimination of teachers which has now created LARGER class rooms for the Third Graders and Kinders. They made a mistake and need to be challenged. Please don't ask parents to not question and just move forward when it probably does not effect you (today). If it does affect you and does not bother you....great. However several hundred petitioners don't want to lose parent rights. "

Here's A Solution wrote on Aug 10, 2007 6:43 PM:

" Don't bus any kids, but rather let the classrooms at JP become overcrowded with large class sizes. There are not enough classrooms currently to house the students. In the past, JP had lower test scores and Sure, we could build another school. Let's raise taxes when so many are already complaining about taxes. The people suggesting that we raise taxes tend to be the ones who rent, so therefore don't pay property taxes. How convenient is that? "

Just some facts... wrote on Aug 10, 2007

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