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Madmimm wrote on Nov 6, 2007 2:13 PM:

" To: her own words: So what? Mother Theresa chose to be part of a male dominated religion that had little respect for women or thier freedoms. The church believes women are inferior to men read thier encyclopedia it states it. So why would ANY woman with an IQ above 50 follow this male worshipping cult? Another thing to ponder, women have never reaped ANY rewards or flat out respect for child bearing in America, actually they have been ill treated for that very thing. Think about it. "

her own words wrote on Nov 6, 2007 1:30 PM:

" Here is a direct quote from Mother Teresa:"Many people are concerned with children of India, with the children of Africa where quite a few die of hunger, and so on. Many people are also concerned about the violence in this great country of the United States. These concerns are very good. But often these same people are not concerned with the millions being killed by the deliberate decision of their own mothers. And this is the greatest destroyer of peace today- abortion which brings people to such blindness." And The final Quote" "Any country that accepts abortion is the poorest of the poor" "

Risk Prof wrote on Nov 6, 2007 12:32 PM:

" I've never understood why the Democrat party, who claims to fight for those who can't fight for themselves, is pro-abortion; the Republican party, who is generally for smaller, less intrusive government, is pro-life. By the way, when are pro-life Democrats going to be given a voice in the debate by their own party? "

Madmimm wrote on Nov 6, 2007 11:35 AM:

" Fact: That is your best shot at rebuttal?? (chuckle) OK I will play, how does that explain two persons having equal say over one body, who's rights are you willing to take away and why? "

T wrote on Nov 6, 2007 11:17 AM:

" you people bitch all day long about poor people having babies and YOU say "if you cant afford a baby then dont have a baby" well these people arent having babies and you are still complaining make up your mind people, which do you want poor babies or dead fetus you make the choice but no matter your choice please stop bitching "

T wrote on Nov 6, 2007 10:48 AM:

" what is the big debate over if they are legal and you have no problem getting one then more power to you. If you DO have a problem with it then dont have unprotected sex and only worry about yourself. just because you think it is wrong doesnt mean every other person in the world agrees with you so keep your views, just that YOUR VIEWS "

Fact wrote on Nov 6, 2007 9:03 AM:

" In the case of murder, the government can have say over one body. "

Madmimm wrote on Nov 5, 2007 12:44 PM:

" Fact: Two persons cannot have equal say over one body. Anybody wish to counter this? I have been waiting a very long time for just ONE pro-lifer to challenge this plain and simple fact. "

hurt wrote on Nov 5, 2007 10:33 AM:

" this is why the subject of abortion is so touchy! Many woman regret and the others say no I have no regrets. But the common thing we all have in common is I am sure you can remember the time and date the abortion occured. I remember mine feb 11th 2006. I can still remember the tears that I tasted and the regret I faced seconds after the abortion. So to all the woman who regret time will heal and remember to keep that child tucked away in your heart. "

Big Money wrote on Nov 5, 2007 8:59 AM:

" Three hundren million in government subsidies, wow! Now, why don't we just tap into that fund to get the greater coverage that were are seeking for child healthcare? "

silly girl wrote on Nov 5, 2007 8:22 AM:

" simple facts aren't simple nor are they facts. Abortion is not just as common where it is illegal. Those who claim it is use estimates not documented occurencues. The WHO and Guttmacher institute recently published a report that said abortion is just as common where it is illegal. However, when you read the report itself, not just an article about the report, you find the documented numbers just are not there. They make up the difference in estimates. The Guttmacher group is part of Planned Parenthood, so there is an obvious bias in the data collection and estimation. Groups like Planned Parenthood are actively going into foreign countries and pushing the legalisation of abortion. PP gets $300million in US gov't subsidies and of course wants more. "

Sleepless in Normal wrote on Nov 4, 2007 8:15 AM:

" I had an abortion when I was 35 years old and married. When I went to the clinic for the abortion the majority of the women there were mid 20s-late 30s. Having the abortion was the hardest thing I have ever done in my life and every day I am reminded of how that abortion has affected me. I had the abortion for many reasons including health, but the main reason was that my husband and I did not want children. I had been sexually active for many years and the one time I didn't use birth control I got pregnant. Even though the abortion was my decision I held deep resentment towards my husband and the marriage eventually failed. I encourage any woman who is considering an abortion to understand how difficult it can be. I encourage women who have had abortions to learn to forgive themselves and try to ignore all the arrogant, sanctimonious, dogma vomiting idiots they are definitely going to encounter in their daily lives. "

Babe wrote on Nov 3, 2007 10:25 PM:

" What we need here is less blame and more responsibility. "

Atheist Nay wrote on Nov 2, 2007 11:55 PM:

" All forms of birth control have failure rates. I think all the men who have wrote in saying that "Women should just keep their legs together!" should give their names. Then the women who are sleeping with them can cease having sex with them until the time comes when they are both 100% committed to raising a child. After all, if the man's condom fails and the woman ends up pregnant, then he's equally to blame. "

Children wrote on Nov 2, 2007 1:54 PM:

" Children = Happiness "

To Broken Heart wrote on Nov 2, 2007 1:53 PM:

" If only you had known the truth? What do you mean by that? Do you mean if you would have seen the pics of 6 week old fetus's you wouldn't have had an abortion? That's the stupidest thing I've ever herad. I had an abortion and I do not regret it at all. I didn't kill a living thing; I paid to have a DOCTOR (not a gorilla with a gun (genocide)) remove a non-breathing blood sack from MY uterus 2 months after I found out I was pregnant. Who's business is that besides mine? I was 19 years old, had been on birth control for 3 years and never once missed a pill BUT I still got pregnant. I didn't wan't a baby at 19, that's why I used birth control. I wish it would have worked but it did not. No fault of mine. So why should I have given up my college dreams and social life to have a baby? There are too many unwanted babies/children in this world and yet we are more focused on "non breathing blood sacks". "

Madmimm wrote on Nov 2, 2007 9:56 AM:

" Women should not have the right to the pursuit of happiness unless it involves subserviance to another that is what is expected of 2nd class citizens. Two cannot have equal say over one body, nobody in here has even tried to debate that simple fact. "

to tom tock wrote on Nov 1, 2007 2:12 PM:

" alright, tom, what if we don't look away, and still don't agree with you? what then? what finger-wagging prescription do you have for that? please tell us how to be as holy as yourself, father tom, for only you can lead all the lost. of course, you're just as lost as anyone else, but truth is not the name of your game, just a fabricated righteousness and a moral high-horse. as long as you have a finger to point, and people to point to, you'll never have to worry about the plank in your own eye that jesus told you about. so, you found a speck in your brother's, so what? worry about your own soul, i bet my paycheck it could use some work. "

Jeno wrote on Nov 1, 2007 12:26 PM:

" What ever happened to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Oh, I guess the mother's right to pursue happiness overrides the right to life. This seems like a slippery slope, because I know lots of cases where happiness could increase at the expense of life. "

To: so let's assume wrote on Oct 31, 2007 1:06 PM:

" Not only do I eat scrambled eggs, but I eat chicken, too. Oddly, they don't taste anything alike. I knew a person that didn't like either one. I think he was down on chickens. At any rate, I hope to avoid cannibalism. The day chickens start hatching humans will be a newsworthy one! Oh,Wait! It's Morc from Orc! "

broken heart wrote on Oct 31, 2007 12:28 PM:

" yes woman do regret their abortion! I regret it everyday, i wonder what my child would look like the sound of his or her laugh. One in four children are aborted everyday so lets look at the big picture. If anyone wants to know what an aborted child looks like at six weeks or even eight weeks go to priestforlife.org you can check those horrible picutres out. If I only knew the truth things could have been so much diffrent. So yes I do regret my abortion! "

so let's assume wrote on Oct 31, 2007 10:34 AM:

" humas are differnt that all other species. It is called an embryo until the 8th week at which time its called a fetus. So let's assume then that a fetus is a small human but there is very little difference bewteen the embryo of a human and that of another species. So my question then, is it wrong to kill an embryo? Anyone have scrambles eggs for breakfast? "

Makes me sick wrote on Oct 31, 2007 9:36 AM:

" Humans, including myself, make me sick! The thoughts we have. The comments we say. Oh, you're judgemental. You're going to hell. Oh, you MUST be thinking hateful things about me because of what I did. I honestly try to "capture" my thoughts before thinking them. But I fail at times and I make myself sick. Fact is, Abortions ARE WRONG, they do hurt WOMEN (even IF some of them don't let on), they ARE babies, They ARE helpless and they DO KNOW what is going on. I encourage you to read Randy Alcorns website on abortions. There is a part where women/men who used to perform or help in abortions writes in detail about what they did and see and how disgusted they are with themselves. They constantly write about how on the sonogram (they use sonogram to find the babies legs or head) they would see the baby pull its foot back to avoid being "taken" (murdered) early. It all, MAKES ME SICK. I dare you to read the information above on his website and not shed a single tear. IF you don't shed a single tear, shame on you you cold hearted fool of a human! "

To: simple facts wrote on Oct 31, 2007 8:32 AM:

" Earlier someone wrote that abortion has ALWAYS been legal in the USA. When was it illegal that you came up with any statistics comparing that we have as many abortions now as when it was illegal? Don't give me statistics from other countries because they probably don't have the nutrition and healthcare that we do, not to mention more people. "

Agnostic wrote on Oct 31, 2007 7:14 AM:

" We can't deny knowing that people of faith are destroying the world. It's not women having abortions. It's not homosexuals. It's not petty thieves. It's not users of drugs. It's people who base everything on ancient superstitions that should have been rejected years ago. Face it all religion was invented by mankind. Because mankind thinks too much and needs convenient explanations for that that can not be easily explained. No one has any proof that what they believe, religion wise is true. Yet your religion demands that you obey completely and damns everyone who doesn't believe or who believes something different. It's a vicious circle and it will lead to destruction, all for nothing except your pathetic egos. "

the people wrote on Oct 31, 2007 5:14 AM:

" who sit there and critize women for getting abortions and put those pro-life bumper stickers on their cars are the same people who give young girls dirty looks at walmart & think less of them for having a baby young & out of wedlock. Either way they are judgemental!!! "

thank you simple facts :) wrote on Oct 31, 2007 4:42 AM:

" beautiful, finally someone who makes sense & has the #'s to back it up! "

simple facts wrote on Oct 30, 2007 10:43 PM:

" whether or not you agree with abortion on moral grounds, there are certain facts that cannot be disputed regarding the legality of abortion. mainly, the fact that the abortion rate is the SAME whether it is legal or not. In 2003, 21.9 abortions were performed in countries where abortion is safe and legal, in countries where this was not the case 19.2 million were performed. Not surprisingly, the abortion rate in the U.S has also been pretty constant, whether it was legal or not (perportionate to overall population). if you are indeed anti-choice, please, provide me with some facts that will somehow override that. do not feed me lines from the bible, faulty comparisons to the holocaust, or any other unrelated analogies designed to distort the facts and the issue at hand. if you outlaw abortion, fetuses will still die... and so will women. end of story. "

just no wrote on Oct 30, 2007 8:19 PM:

" Jews, Roma, homosexuals, and others were killed under Hitler's rule because they became outlets for suspicion, fear, and hate. Ten million of the Soviet Union's own citizens were killed under Stalin's rule because they, too, became outlets for suspicion, fear, and hate. Fetuses are aborted for many reasons, but none of them as part of a mass political movement directed at specific social groups for the sole purpose of strengthening a dictatorial government through the implementation of a campaign of brute force and terror. There is *no* comparison. "

Thinking wrote on Oct 30, 2007 1:17 PM:

" This really is big business! We know these 5,000 weekly abortions are not done free. I wonder how much one is worth. Well, it must be profitable, or it would just fade away. After all, I wouldn't want some underpaid rookie out there providing this kind of duty. "

Merry wrote on Oct 30, 2007 11:59 AM:

" Save the children. If you don't want children, use birth control. Otherwise, the child is due birth. For healthy children, adoption agencies do not seem to have difficulty finding parents. I just can't believe that we encourage others to get an abortion. No wonder we encourage immigrants, we don't have enough young people to keep the country running! "

To: Robin wrote on Oct 30, 2007 9:53 AM:

" Perhaps abortion has always been around, but LEGALIZED abortion is different because clinics accomodating abortions have not always been around. Also, China is just the place NOT to care about the value of a human being. "

;-0 wrote on Oct 30, 2007 8:58 AM:

" What a horrible analogy; WW2 to planned parenthood. Let me see; one allows woman who "want" to abort a child the earth does not need. Or, the other, mass killings of jews. Oh, yea, some christian wacko certainly wrote this piece. Jesus must have came to this nut job in his dream and told him he was to save all aborted fetuses. Plain and simple; even all the Catholic losers who do not want abortion, could not in turn adopt and care for all these "god" given gifts. Get a life, and stop worrying about saving other peoples lives. This has little to do with your "fake" belief system, and more to do with the realities that we come about. "

Robin wrote on Oct 30, 2007 3:00 AM:

" i don't know why everyone keeps argueing about this topic. I think it is sad yes, but Abortion has always been around & it Always will be-even if we outlaw it! The government tried that once-hello! Then young girls just got botch jobs in people's homes-is that what you would prefer to happen??!!?? Once, they outlaw abortion then they will say we can't have birth control pills either! It's amazing that some people would rather live in a country that controls their every move- Then move to CHINA! -so the rest of us can move on to policital topics that we can actually change like social security , health care, and education and stop wasting time & $$$ on this crap that will NEVER change. "

Well wrote on Oct 29, 2007 9:10 PM:

" Don't many women regret this "procedure" later? Isn' that sad? It must be a horrific decision to make. I hate that it is necessary to have available. It is so sad on so many levels. But when I look at those little unwanted people that were actually born; and are now in foster care or poor environments, I could never say "hey you-you're needs are being paid for by my tax dollars! Why didn't your mom just abort you. You are worthless." I really hate that argument. "

give us your names and addresses wrote on Oct 29, 2007 1:42 PM:

" i'm going to bring a few kids to your door - you can take care of them coz their parents don't treat them well. "

To: Excellent Letter wrote on Oct 29, 2007 10:14 AM:

" Yeah, there's a good reason to force women to bear unwanted children, so we can increase the drain on society to become cannon fodder for a gun slingin republican renegade president that gets the country into a war without any clear plan to get us out of war. Ever read how Hitler started growing his army, sounds way too familiar. "

Excellent Letter wrote on Oct 29, 2007 8:40 AM:

" Thank you for your excellent letter, Tom. Can you imagine the outrage had we lost 250,000 troops, last year? Admittedly, I'm relieved that we did not, but at least these young men volunteer and have a purpose for risking their lives. How sad to lose one's life because someone has determined that the young one would be too much of a problem to care for. What a sad reflection on our society! "

Madmimm wrote on Oct 28, 2007 2:40 PM:

" To My Second: Any discussion from your parish priest on vasectomy (assumimg you are married?). Now and then I like to read religious material, recently I ran across the Catholic Encyclopedia and typed in "woman", I found much that amused me including this line which I copied and pasted for your reading pleasure "The female sex is in some respects inferior to the male sex, both as regards body and soul." Of course after that statement they applied sugar coating, which is always the case even when attending bible study. "

My second wrote on Oct 28, 2007 10:16 AM:

" pregnancy was a very dangerous one for both myself and my baby girl. After she was born my O.B. informed me that I should not have more children due to the fact that it would be too dangerous for me and the baby. I am Catholic therefore I spoke to my parish priest about this situation and he agreed that, for health reasons I should undergo a tubal ligation to prevent any more pregnancies. Yes, the church is against abortion as a convenient way to get rid of an unwanted baby. But if you have health concerns take measures to prevent getting pregnant, don't just use abortion as a quick way out. And to "whatever," poor people on welfare get paid more for each baby they have. Heck, most welfare families have more kids than rich folks these days and there are free, except for the taxpayers who fund them, clinics for these people to go to. "

To: 'whatever happened to responsibility" wrote on Oct 27, 2007 8:03 PM:

" Your President should have taken responsibility to make sure that poor children could access medical insurance. He sure is very vocal about his views on abortion though - once they are born he doesn't really care... they are poor so why bother! "

i am confused too, that you - wrote on Oct 27, 2007 8:01 PM:

" can be so militant about your views about 'pro life' but won't think twice about the death penalty! i am of the mind set that both these extremes should be rare but should be available in certain situations - what do YOU think of that??? "

Madmimm wrote on Oct 27, 2007 6:25 PM:

" TO I am Confused: Ponder this, the antichoice/antiwoman movement is anticontraceptives they like to keep this small fact hidden as they know it is unpopular. But once they can establish personhood for an embryo at the moment of conception they will then try to make the arguement that birth control pills stops implantation thus cases an abortion of a fertilized egg. Then you have the Catholic church who also is anti birth control right down to condoms. Think about this, does this make since to you? It brings us full circle back to the "control" of women issue it has nothing to do with love of the unborn. "

I'm confused wrote on Oct 27, 2007 1:41 PM:

" by the attitudes of people these days. You know, those who are against our military involvement in the mid east because of the possibility that innocent people may be injured or die. However, these same people are all for the killing of innocent unborn babies, even though there are so many ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies, to preserve a woman's right to choose. Sounds like a double standard to me. What ever happened to responsibility? "

Another Angle wrote on Oct 27, 2007 7:57 AM:

" Considering abortion as genocide is no more of a stretch than considering a moment of silence as establishing a religion. "

To: to vocab wrote on Oct 26, 2007 2:55 PM:

" Are you seriously considering this a group under the definition... Is it April 1st? Once again, we see just how twisted some people's perceptions on reality can really be. Don't forget we all need handguns to protect against WMD's entering our country too. I can actually see a thousand points of light...they are from all the hand guns going off as we shoot ourselves in the head. "

to to vocab wrote on Oct 26, 2007 1:32 PM: wrote on Oct 26, 2007 2:18 PM:

" that's an incredible stretch. What differentiates the two catagories fo people involved? "

to vocab wrote on Oct 26, 2007 1:32 PM:

" I do believe that one demo group would be the American unwanted. "

to To vocab wrote on Oct 26, 2007 11:48 AM: wrote on Oct 26, 2007 12:37 PM:

" if they were of only one demographical group yes, but that isn't the case "

To vocab wrote on Oct 26, 2007 11:48 AM:

" Thank you for your definition. Does that not include the unwanted unborn child destroyed at an abortion clinic? "

vocab wrote on Oct 26, 2007 8:52 AM:

" the legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2 of the CPPCG defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. If we are going to use a term, then let's understand it people. "

To you Anti-Choice nuts wrote on Oct 26, 2007 8:22 AM:

" The day you want to step up and personally financially support these unwanted babies through their entire life and pay all medical fees for the mothers having these babies you so desperately want born into this already overpopulated world is the day I will support your fascist agenda. Until then, just keep standing on your "moral" highground telling people what they can and cannot do, without helping anyone. You want to limit the choices of women who do not have the resources to raise a child (financial, emotional, etc), but after the baby is born where will you be? Helping her raise it? No. You will be sitting in your comfortable home with your 3 car, 2.5 child household with a 6 digit dual income feeling like you have done some good while the single mother you bullied into having a child is trying to figure out how to pay for food and daycare while she works for minimum wage at McDonalds. And the best part is that she and her newborn will become more of a drain on society. "

To you Anti-Choice nuts wrote on Oct 26, 2007 8:17 AM:

Cheep wrote on Oct 26, 2007 8:14 AM:

" In some parts of Africa, they have this whole thing figured out. The mother simply leaves the unwanted baby on the doorstep to die. Occasionally, Christian missionaries go to these areas to rescue the unwanted infants. Of course, AIDS is very prevalent there, so adults are becoming fewer & fewer. "

I love kids, wrote on Oct 26, 2007 5:59 AM:

" but if I was raped or just knew I would be a bad parent, I might have to consider abortion - anti abortion people need to stay away from me and worry about the problems in your own families. Abortion is the hardest and last choice a woman could make so keep your judgemental ways to yourselves. Its funny how everyone is up in arms about abortion but dont have any suggestions for children who are dependent on the system from a very a young age because their parents did not want them. How about situations where children are abused, neglected and even killed? If i was a child having to deal with such trauma every day by being born to the the worst parent ever, I would rather choose to be aborted. The unborn fetus seems to have more rights than a child. Dubya gets on the band wagon about abortion but then he doesn't want poor children to be able to access health care! If you need a platform, consider volunteering in an adoption agency. "

Madmimm wrote on Oct 25, 2007 8:29 PM:

" To Myself: Men can say all they want on this subject and be as involved as they want, what they cannot do is make the final choice, that is up to the woman. To level the playing field I think that a man should be able to opt out legally if he wants no part, but with that he would have to honor the contract till the child is eighteen. If he tries to make contact with the child after opting out he would be under penalty of law and owe back child support, does that sound fair? I think that would be reasonable to all involved. "

to all wrote on Oct 25, 2007 6:43 PM:

" dont speek to harsh about these women who have CHOOSEN to have an abortion . with 5,095 babies aweek being aborted - i'm sure you know someone. ask your girlfriend, mom, sister, wife, etc.. oh- but that would NEVER happen to your family, wright?? CHRISTIANS do not judge - check whats hidden in your closet before you look in others. AMEN .... "

Myself wrote on Oct 25, 2007 6:40 PM:

" Have to love the double standard. Men can't say anything about this subject cause its all the suffering womans concern. Men can't get angry about the girlfriend that gets pregnant wants to keep the child when neither are mentally or financially capable of raising a child. But then women get man at the man for being the 'dead beat' father and not paying. Lets think of all the suffering and pain and misery the woman goes through holding the child . yes women do have it rough, I'll not downplay I've seen many a co-worker pregnant and I admit it looks bad. But then to turn around and demand constant attention be paid to it is a little much. Yes its the woman's body, I say let her do with it what she wants. But its not just her life that will be changed by the birth the father, if he has any consideration at all, will be affected too. Who are we to say the fetus is alive, if it is removed from the mother at the age abortion usually takes place its not going to survive, to me that doesn't denote self sustaining life. "

Madmimm wrote on Oct 25, 2007 6:07 PM:

" Josh: I am not an atheist I have my own personal beliefs, call me a Pagan if you need a label. As was stated before the anitchoice/antiwoman crowd pushed through the double murder legeslation (do your homework) in an attempt to grant fetus's personhood, this is their goal in order to deny women their personhood so of course I am against it again two persons cannot have equal say over one body. The "abstinence only" crowd is living in la la land sex is natural and sex will happen always has! PP is in the birth control business abstinence is merely a word. It's called progression Josh we are no longer in the dark ages, at least some of us are not religious zealots wish to return to those days. I do not think you are dumb but naive, women as with men have sex for sex sake nothing more. I have argued religion with many women & men, it is difficult to argue with the brainwashed but I try. "

Another Angle (con't) wrote on Oct 25, 2007 3:17 PM:

" Truly, only LEGALIZED abortions are genocide. Otherwise, we would no longer have a systematic procedure. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. "

yeah wrote on Oct 25, 2007 2:50 PM:

" it's a horrible cycle we're falling into. Fight for the fetus. Abstinence training in the schools instead of sex ed and birthcontrol techniques. More and more people. Cut social programs. Keep the public dumb, poor, and overpopulated so that no one stands in the way of "democracy". It's in the history books and still we are doomed to repeat it. Sigh. "

Another Angle wrote on Oct 25, 2007 2:08 PM:

" The national group that the unwanted unborn belong to is just that - the unwanted and unborn child. The systematic destruction is the abortion. Or, this genocide is the abortion of unwanted unborn children. Just because it's a fetus doesn't make it non-human. Let's take a stand against this genocide! "

Choice? wrote on Oct 25, 2007 1:50 PM:

" And I can choose for myself if I believe in the same lies as you do, without legislation. If you are pushing to mandate your religious beliefs as laws, where does this stop? "

To: Josh wrote on Oct 25, 2007 1:47 PM:

" The federal governments of many civilized countries agree that "the life inside not being a life", where did they come up with that? It's because it's a large grey area and it is the whole basis of the save the fetus arguement. Without the claim, the whole anti choice movement falls apart.... and you have to find some other way to force your beliefs on others. Same with the whole anti gay marriage discussion. It would appear to me that those claiming to be religious are the ones that hide the most hatred....the rest of us are just trying to survive. I sure hope you go to heaven soon in the second calling....so we can leave in peace. "

Josh wrote on Oct 25, 2007 1:22 PM:

" Madminn, it sounds to me like you are an atheiest, by your general statement; religion does not lead me by the nose-I have morals and a conscience. Also, PP says nothing about abstinence-the only 100% effective way to not become pregnant. They will never use this term. You must really think I'm dumb, with regards to your statement about ASK ANY MAN. That makes it hard to have an intelligent discussion. It's funny, a lot of women that I know would completely disagree with everything you've had to say, including your statement about control in regards to religion. You've given no scientific proof about the life inside not being a life, in fact you've ignored that whole point. Are you in favor of the double murder charges that are filed when a pregnant woman is murdered? If you are, isn't that a contradiction to your whole argument? "

To: Another Angle wrote on Oct 25, 2007 1:06 PM:

" Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of an ethnic, religious or national group. Since a fetus is not a baby (except for those that choose an arbitrary definition...not supported by the US goverment) and abortions occur across all ethnic, religios and national groups...then you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. Once again, we have the religios zealots out selling their special brand of FUD..... "

Madmimm wrote on Oct 25, 2007 12:56 PM:

" And the man has vasectomies why is there not a long line for them? And why is the woman always responsible for BC but the man should have 50% of the say? "

To: Madmimm wrote on Oct 25, 2007 12:45 PM:

" The woman has other options including the pill or tying tubes. "

Yes, God did give us a right to choose wrote on Oct 25, 2007 12:43 PM:

" And He also let us know what would happen to us if we made bad choices. "

Madmimm wrote on Oct 25, 2007 9:09 AM:

" Josh: I will gladly answer your questions first religion. Not trustworthy history speaks loudly to that. I have self studied cross referenced between the various interpretations and have identified it as male deity worship written by males and subjective to females, and most concerned with her sexuality. I feel sorry for you if religion leads you by the nose. However I believe in religious freedom and with that I have the freedom not to practice yours or have it forced upon me. PP does focus on the first choice that is why they promote birth control they know that sex happens. What you have to come to terms with is sex is natural sex is not performed always for procreation ask ANY man! What you struggle with is women enjoying sex for other than procreation. Prochoice? seems to believe that the child has a separate body and DNA but eliminates the woman’s separate body back again to two cannot have equal say over one body. But you as men cannot grasp that. "

Mr Scientist wrote on Oct 25, 2007 8:11 AM:

" I am very happy that there are many abortions taking place. I am personally spearheading a campaign to raise the awareness of this safe and sensible procedure. There are many sensible reasons why we should abort more babies. "

Another Angle wrote on Oct 25, 2007 7:53 AM:

" What about the woman who desires to be a mommy, but the husband is pro-choice. Oh! I'll miss the pill, and we'll have the baby. Well, the husband doesn't want the fetus to become a baby, so..........Lucky for HIM, abortion is legal! And, it is genocide. "

Abortion is just the start wrote on Oct 25, 2007 7:48 AM:

" I think we should not stop at protecting just unborn babies, but we need to start making sure everyone is a Christian that believes just like us too. All these sinners out there, you know who you are, that don’t follow Christian ideals, should be allowed to believe anything other than true Christian morals. If they can’t convert to the right form of religion that this country was founded on, then we either need to export them or send them to their false God’s. We Christians are the ones trying to make sure that the rest of the world stays aligned with God’s wishes, we need to start converting these vile, false believers just like we’ve been talking about for protecting these babies. How else can the world come to know Jesus, unless we force them to find the true light? "

Pro life is a joke wrote on Oct 25, 2007 7:40 AM:

" If you all are so pro life, then there are many other ways you can affect life other than forcing some girl/women to bear the birth of an unwanted child. I find it comical that the religious fanatics out in the world want to supersede god’s gift of free choice. If you believe the bible, didn’t god give Adam and Eve the choice to follow his instructions? Too bad you all weren’t around there to save them from themselves….LOL. This is just the tip of the iceberg too, this forced compliance to your religious ideals isn’t too far from killing people that don’t follow your savior/beliefs. Don’t we have a choice to follow Jesus? I know I know what you are going to say, your all trying to save some helpless babies……The reality is, no matter how you slice it, you are trying to play god, and supersede the fact that he gave us the right to choose. "

Control wrote on Oct 25, 2007 7:39 AM:

" Yes, all us pro-lifers just want to keep women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. We want them out of the workplace and kept at home wearing burkas. That's our motivation! Please. Women love playing the part of the martyr, and what better way to play it than to cry that they have no choices, and that their freedom will be taken away if they don't have the right to an abortion. Nevermind the fact that there are several OTHER choices available that they don't consider. (I.e. abstinence, adoption) "

Josh wrote on Oct 24, 2007 7:56 PM:

" Thank You Pro Choice?. Well Said. Maybe you can talk some sense into a few of the bloggers, Madminn included. Madminn, you must have had a bad experience with religion, if you view it that way. I feel sorry for you. I respectfully disagree with your opinon. This is 2007, almost 2008, men do not want to control women. We're getting off of the topic, anyway. Can you explain to me why it seems like groups like PP don't want to focus on the first choice a man and a woman make, with the exceptions of rape and incest? The first choice is to have sex or not. Every comment I've heard about this topic continually ignores this question and I've brought it up to others, as well. Everyone I've talked to dodges the question and will not give a straight answer. Will you? "

On the issue of child support wrote on Oct 24, 2007 7:44 PM:

" Madmimm I know that there are a lot of men out there who shirk their responisbilities when it comes to child support. My mom runs a homeless shelter where men choose to be homeless to avoid paying child support - BUT women have a lot more control then you think. My brother has a 1-year old and is on the hook for a significant portion of his income because he VOLUNTARILY said he was the father. He is required to pay that, but the mother of his son has complete control over visitation. NO ONE will lift a finger to help him get visitation now that he and the mother are separated unless HE pays for a DNA test. She didn't need a DNA test to get his money, but he's on the hook for it to see the son he's required to pay for. "

Sox 05 wrote on Oct 24, 2007 6:33 PM:

" To Comparison: I agree with you 100%. Lets take a step further and legalize murder and we can solve the problems associated with illegal murders. "

Pro Choice? wrote on Oct 24, 2007 5:03 PM:

" Unless the girl was raped, a choice was already made. Why even call it pro-choice? Pro-abortion too hard to say? And what's all this crap about 'it's my body.' It is NOT the woman's body. The baby inside of her has a completely new set of DNA comprised of both mother AND father genes. The father should have a choice too. Learn to use birth control people. I hear all these liberal wackos out there bashing Christians claiming they are against controceptives. So you want pro choice? Choose to not have sex, or choose to use protection. Don't stutter out useless excuses under the guise of civil rights. "

Madmimm wrote on Oct 24, 2007 3:00 PM:

" Josh: Don't be childish everyone is quite clear what an abortion is, really Josh us women are not as dumb as you like to think. Yes I do believe in the minds of religious zealots it has everything to do with punishment and control I have read the book. Your view certainly has nothing to do with respect for a woman respect for a potential human yes, but none for a woman who actually performs this so called miracle. To demand by law that she bring forth is all about control. "

Josh wrote on Oct 24, 2007 2:22 PM:

" That's funny, Madminn, that the health of the mother is the reason you bring up. It's also, citing statistics, the least likely reason for an abortion to happen. More smoke and mirrors, to keep people from realizing what an abortion actually is. The male should have a voice; he is 50% responsible for the pregnancy happening. Even you can agree with me on that. Really, so you believe it's all about punishment, eh? That pro-life people want to punish women? You really are deluded. I see that you chose to ignore the rest of my comment. Could it be that I struck a nerve?? "

Madmimm wrote on Oct 24, 2007 1:15 PM:

" Josh: Thank you for once again making my point "Why should the baby bear the bront of the consequences of the woman's actions" tsk tsk Josh you left the male out of it (and you were arguing that a male has a voice in this, how amusing) this has more to do with "punishment" of women for engaging in sex. You really need to page through your bible, women were punished for having sex through out the "good book," they were also punished for childbirth most especially if bearing a daughter, virgin births however were highly respected. Josh you cannot have two entities rule over one body simple as that, to give one control over the other is slave status existing/born human has all the rights. You do not respect women or pregnancy if you demand that they produce over their own best interests health and otherwise by law. "

Cindy wrote on Oct 24, 2007 10:32 AM:

" We should be ashamed of ourselves for allowing the annihilation of unwanted babies that are awaiting birth! "

To Cindy wrote on Oct 24, 2007 9:54 AM:

" Abortion is not genocide! What are we just saying whatever pops into our heads now? "

Ovlivious wrote on Oct 24, 2007 9:48 AM:

" My Goodness! They are aborting BABIES now? I didn't know! "

Cindy wrote on Oct 24, 2007 7:33 AM:

" Well, I looked up Godwin's Law and discovered that it does not apply to genocide. Tom knows exactly what he's writing about. "

nuts wrote on Oct 24, 2007 6:05 AM:

" strident anti abortionists are nuts. they're the same ones who claim to be "Christians" and then turn around and assasinate anyone associated with performing abortions including anyone standing around them eg) nurses who work at clinics, other patients. Yea, just like Eric rudolph who was able to avoid capture for years after bombing the Atlanta Olympics. you "anti abortionists" are just narrow minded dictators with Ann Coulter tendencies. "

To:Tom makes a weird point wrote on Oct 23, 2007 9:14 PM:

" I think Tom doesn't know about Godwin's Law. "

My comment wrote on Oct 23, 2007 6:10 PM:

" doesn't it occur to you that some women want to get pregnant without a husband as a status symbol? They love the attention they get and they don't have to pay for anything. It has the same symbolism as gang members sporting scars where they have been shot. Many of these low income women are proud to have their babies and don't want birth control. Remember the article earlier this summer about the black women who refuse to date other races because they don't like their men dating outside their race? They would rather be single mothers and keep their race going. "

Josh wrote on Oct 23, 2007 6:01 PM:

" Madminn, that's what I mean about smoke. Abortion is not about choice and a woman's body; it's about the killing of an unborn child-if anything, where's the choice for that child? In your eyes, they don't have one. You do realize that the life inside feels pain when the procedure is happening. Science also have never proven when life begins, so don't even try that argument. Why should the baby bear the bront of the consequences of the woman's actions, with the exception of rape and incest? Answer me that. And yes, I would be in favor of law to be a bone marrow and organ donor. I'm already on the list to be an organ donor. To a female, I feel no need to go down to your level-suffice it to say that it's not just a woman's choice, no matter how you would like to delude yourself. "

Again to Josh from a female wrote on Oct 23, 2007 2:47 PM:

" How do you know how it would feel to make a decision of this magnitude? You will not ever have to because you cannot get pregnant. You have no right to decide how a woman should handle it because you have no idea what it would be like!!!!! "

Madmimm wrote on Oct 23, 2007 2:45 PM:

" Josh: My point? Simple, the goal of the antichoice/antiwoman crowd has much more to do with control and/or consequences to the woman than love for the "babies." I also feel (especially when religion becomes involved) pregnancy is the equivilant to punishment in the eyes of the devout. How else can you explain not allowing a choice under any circumstance, health, life, rape, incest? This speaks volumes on respect for women. Why is antichoice/antiwoman groups such as Prolife America anticontraceptives, or the church for that matter? Why are people who claim to be so in love with the babies unwilling to put their money where their mouth is? Why is it so wrong for a woman to have control over her body? Why would some require her by law to go through unwanted physical risk for the sake of another if she were unwilling? Again I ask you, would you be in favor of a law that would you require you to be an organ or bone marrow donor for a child if their life hung in the balance? Answer carefully. "

Josh wrote on Oct 23, 2007 1:40 PM:

" Actually, Roe never wanted to go through with the case. She had withdrawn from the case, but her lawyers put it through. If you listen to what she says, she never had an abortion, nor did she want one. The Supreme Court should have dismissed the suit, as a moot point. Experts in constitutional law agree that the case never should have been heard. To Madmimm, once again-what's your point? Pro-life has a very good argument, while Pro-choice clouds the facts with a lot of smoke. "

To: Townie wrote on Oct 23, 2007 1:18 PM:

" Here's your education. If you're female, don't let a guy's body parts go wandering over your body parts, but should that happen find an adult that you can confide in. This will help protect you from many diseases besides an unwanted child. "

to Roe wrote on Oct 23, 2007 12:04 PM:

" No it doesn't. It just means that one person changed their mind. To use Rovespeak, she "flipflopped." "

Welfare State wrote on Oct 23, 2007 11:49 AM:

" The government rewards mothers who have more children. The welfare state in America has been created because mothers get more money every time they have a new baby. I don't buy the "can't afford it so I'll abort it" line...many women are happy to keep popping out babies because it increases their welfare checks! "

Townie wrote on Oct 23, 2007 11:49 AM:

" Still (and I'm at fault for this too) why are we claiming that girls/women have gone out and gotten pregnant and then had to abort when we ALL know that women can't get pregnant without the aid of a man....so....??? "

Mrs. Adoption wrote on Oct 23, 2007 11:48 AM:

" Pro-abortionists always say that anti-abortionists don't want abortion but also don't want to pay for social programs (welfare, etc) to pay for the baby. Well what about adoption?? If I was pregnant and couldn't afford to raise the child, I'd much rather give it to one of the thousands of couples seeking to adopt children than murder it. "

Tom makes a weird point wrote on Oct 23, 2007 11:44 AM:

" Why are we making this an abortion topic? I think we need to acknowledge the parallel Tom is trying to make. WWII Nazi camps; people being starved and burned to death? HUH?? How does that go with his topic of choice? Plus his headline reads "We can't deny knowing abortions are happening"...obviously, by the blogs, he's right. We all know that abortions are happening; so Tom, what's your point? Tom provides no solution; he just makes a random observation. It's as non-sensical as saying spilling ketchup down your shirt gives the same look as if you were actually stabbed in the chest. It just doesn't make sense. "

Townie wrote on Oct 23, 2007 11:33 AM:

" Re: To Townie. You call nearly 1/4 million annual deaths healthcare? Nope, I didn't. Way to assume. And you know what they say when people assume! You're missing the point. I said planned parenthood provided inexpensive healthcare. What's unfortunate is that girls need the clinic AFTER the fact. Girls aren't being educated early enough so planned parenthood is a last resort. Shame on YOU for thinking girls are just going around, getting knocked up and aborting. It's more like young girls aren't being educated, then they get pregnant and have no where else to turn. I'm actually not saying it's right or wrong...it's not my place to decide that. Neither is it yours. It's up to the girl and her own beliefs. "

Esteban Colberto wrote on Oct 23, 2007 10:34 AM:

" Hey tick tock. You look your wife in the face and tell her you do not care if she dies during childbirth, she is having the baby. Or your 13 year old daughter that was just raped to suck it up, she is going to have the rapist's kid. That is problem with unbending pro-life jackasses, you make no concessions for the above mentioned scenarios. Maybe you feel that way because you are male and will never have to pay the ultimate price... "

We all want the same thing. wrote on Oct 23, 2007 8:41 AM:

" I don't think either side likes the number of abortions that happen, so let's not assume that because one is pro-choice, that they like abortion. Studies have shown that education and contraception availability has more of an effect than banning the procedure. And places that ban it have a much higher incidence of death to the woman because of the 'backalley' nature of it. We need to get rid of the 'Victorian' attitude this country has about sex. Why do we think that if it's never talked about, it doesn't happen? Why do we make it emabarassing to go out and buy condoms or have our children afraid to ask to be on birth control pills? "

To: Townie wrote on Oct 23, 2007 8:16 AM:

" You call nearly 1/4 million annual deaths healthcare? Perhaps there's a flaw with the contraceptives being used. Maybe an abortion is a badge of honor rather than a stigma. I imagine it just depends on each individual being served. Still, the result of the fetus is always the same. Stillborn. "

Madmimm wrote on Oct 23, 2007 8:01 AM:

" And thus the basis of the so called prolife argument, bottom line "women" having sex with no consequences"..perfect! "

VET wrote on Oct 23, 2007 7:48 AM:

" Six billion and counting forward. "

Roe wrote on Oct 23, 2007 7:42 AM:

" The Roe that fought so hard for the abortion, that changed our laws, is now a pro-life advocate. That speaks volumes. "

Is it okay... wrote on Oct 22, 2007 10:14 PM:

" ...if I have an opinion different from your own? "

Kudos Tom wrote on Oct 22, 2007 4:18 PM:

" You spoke what everyone doesn't want to hear, THE TRUTH! It makes me sick to my stomach to hear all these women having sex with no consequences just to throw babies away. Planned parenthood should be ashamed of theirselves! "

Well wrote on Oct 22, 2007 4:00 PM:

" Can all of the men on this blog tell me that they've used "protection" one hundred per cent of the time until they and their wife/girlfriend decided they wanted a baby? I don't think so. Hey guys, it's your fault too...we can't get pregnant without you so can you also practice a little more prevention?? Thanks! "

RE: Tom.... wrote on Oct 22, 2007 2:51 PM:

" " You can take care of the 1/4 million babies that are aborted each year. And then in 15 years when those babies start having their own, you can find homes for them. This vicious cycle continues unless it is stopped at the fetus level. " This is the smartest thing written in this entire blog. Tom certainly didn't think about this before he wrote in. Thank you! "

Townie wrote on Oct 22, 2007 2:45 PM:

" Seriously Tom?!!!! I'm not sure if you knew, but there's kind of a stigma against women who've gotten abortions and that's probably why Planned Parenthood and the women that have abortions DON'T go and put an ad in the paper notifying the town of what they'd just endured. If your daughter was in the bracket of women who'd had an abortion, you're telling me that you would treat her the same? It's obvious from your letter to the editor that you wouldn't. Also Tom, do you know that Planned Parenthood isn't just a place to get an abortion? It does a lot of community good. Girls who are active are able to get on birth control and prevent pregnancies too. It is inexpensive health care that is run by volunteer doctors and nurses here in town and take donations when you can't pay. Shame on you and your lack of knowledge of services provided for such a great, virtually free clinic. Seriously Tom, how do you even compare the two? "

Clearly wrote on Oct 22, 2007 2:27 PM:

" Clearly there is a debate over when 'life' actually starts in the womb. I ask you, if there is a shadow of a doubt, isn't it better to err on the side of life than to assume abortion is not killing a child? Wouldn't you want that consideration? If you were lost in the forrest would you want people to try to save you even if searchers were not sure if you were alive or dead? Or would you rather the searchers say, "we are not sure if they are alive or dead so we are just going to stop looking." "

To: it's simple wrote on Oct 22, 2007 8:58 AM:

" If we see someone about to get beat to death, hopefully we step in, even if we don't know either party. In the case of the unborn, it's obvious that the fetus did nothing to deserve such cruel treatment. The choice comes when the woman CHOOSES to spread her legs. I doubt very few women who have had abortions didn't realize the consequences when having intimate contact. "

al wrote on Oct 21, 2007 11:25 PM:

" if you have a car accident and kill the fetus of a woman on her way to an abortion clinic. Guess what. it is suddenly a baby and you are on the hook for vehicular manslaughter and your insurance company has to pay big bucks. now explain that one "

al wrote on Oct 21, 2007 11:20 PM:

" my only complaint with abortions is where we draw the line. I truly believe a woman should have up to a full year after birth to decide whether or not the child lives. how can you truly know if you can handle raising a child till you have one. if within the first year you cant, simply terminate. "

its simple... wrote on Oct 21, 2007 10:53 PM:

" If you don't agree with abortions, don't get one. If you believe there is a choice, exercise choice. Why do we always seem to feel the need to control each other? "

In Japan wrote on Oct 21, 2007 9:31 PM:

" I wonder how many of those 5000 are done by pro-lifers. Lots of women against abortion get one because they are good girls in a tough spot and the rest are bad girls with no souls. The truth is not that we deny abortions happen, it's that we like to believe we are better than others who have to make such a decision. But who's to say what you'd do or feel if you were in a tough spot. Almost no woman makes this choice at the drop of a hat. Women of all backgrounds from sterotypical poor teen to rich middle aged pro-lifer do it. It's nice that there's a choice. You may appreciate it someday. "

I am not for abortion wrote on Oct 21, 2007 11:45 AM:

" but people will get abortions. If your daughter got pregnant, and didn't want you to know, would you rather she get one in a safe environment, or in those back door offices where they got them in the 70's and died later from complications. "

re: to have you ever seen a dead baby wrote on Oct 21, 2007 3:37 AM:

" Do you eat meat???? If so maybe if we showed you a video of what a cow goes through then you wouldnt eat meat??? I dont think you judge people for that but hey its just a living animal right? "

Dear Tom wrote on Oct 21, 2007 3:34 AM:

" I take it your not a female due to your name being Tom, So you will never have to deal with the pressure of ALL the factors of being pregnant. In this case i dont really think it gives you a right to have an oppinion or express it at all. You cant judge a person till you have walked a mile in their shoes right? "

To Josh from a female wrote on Oct 20, 2007 11:55 AM:

" Let me give you a scenario. You are intimate with a woman. The condom you are using breaks and she gets pregnant. Are you emotionally and financially ready to raise a child? And if you were a single female with limited income what would you do if you got pregnant and the father was not around to help? You probably don't know the correct answer to either. Hopefully you have never gotten a woman pregnant and you certainly have never been pregnant! "

George wrote on Oct 20, 2007 8:44 AM:

" The fact is we all know the possibile outcome of bringing a child into this world when bedding down with someone. I am sure most people are upset with all the one night stand single mothers running around then a divorced mother raising her kids. You know those kind of women, 4 kids... 4 daddies. "

Josh wrote on Oct 19, 2007 8:52 PM:

" Keep Dreaming, MadMinnn. You couldn't insult me if you tried. All I did was refute your claim that men don't have to pay child support. They do, if not they're dead beat dads who are hunted down and put in prison. You seem to be overly concerned with the physical-something you'd care to share? Men should be just as emotionally involved as women. You have your opinion, I have mine. I believe abortion is wrong; the murder of an innocent child who can't speak up. You obviously don't believe that-hence the difference in opinion. "

Madmimm wrote on Oct 19, 2007 3:57 PM:

" To Josh: Sorry but men and women are NOT equal when it comes to pregnancy, a womans body becomes the provider men do zero, I really should not have to explain this. If you became insulted over the "real men" comment I must have touched a nerve. But the truth is the truth men have nothing to lose beyond a orgasm all the physical risks are on the female and thus there is no equality for men in this argument. And please Josh married men dodge child support all the time, I have known countless women who never got even half of what they were owed and some got none at all so again you are either naive or very young. But if it pleases you go on and believe that all men pay their child support and men have as much physical stake in a pregnancy as a women, enjoy! "

Josh wrote on Oct 19, 2007 3:25 PM:

" To To Josh wrote on Oct 18, 2007 4:05 PM, I respectfully disagree completely with your opinion. The man and woman are equal in the decision, after all a woman can't get pregnant without the man. It's pretty obvious you have very little respect for men. To MadMimm, well I'm a REAL MAN and I happen to disagree with you. Any other insults you would like to offer? What you offered was pretty weak. Married men can't opt out of child support; mandated by law-nice try, but you failed. "

PRO-LIFER (by choice) wrote on Oct 19, 2007 3:25 PM:

" I am not going to get on here and tell people how wrong their choices are or even that abortion needs to be illegal (as I personally feel.) I believe it is a choice to be made by the person getting it. While I feel it's wrong, if someone else feels it's right, who am I to tell them they are wrong? My question I would like to pose is for the Pro-lifers: With the current overpopulation and economic disaster we are in, how do you propose supporting all the millions of lives that would be saved? All I can see is even more economic disaster as we would have to pay more into welfare or more taxes to support "kids homes"? How would you change this? "

TO: Tom... wrote on Oct 19, 2007 2:59 PM:

" you took the words right out of my mouth.... "

Tom... wrote on Oct 19, 2007 2:26 PM:

" You can take care of the 1/4 million babies that are aborted each year. And then in 15 years when those babies start having their own, you can find homes for them. This vicious cycle continues unless it is stopped at the fetus level. "

men wrote on Oct 19, 2007 2:08 PM:

" to whomever said this:"Can a woman who gets knocked-up one minute and then a couple days later does an about-face and decides to abort- or who never thunk it through at all in the first place, really be trusted with such important choices? " choose to abort you mean? Is it better to trust the same woman with motherhood and the nuturing and care for an infant? Maybe all men should be sterilized and we should reproduce with cloning. remove men from the picture completely.I don't want people making choices for my body. men are the problem. i don't know many i would want to father children, or even have a relationship with. until then, the only choice is pro-choice. "

Give it up! wrote on Oct 19, 2007 1:25 PM:

" I can't think of any other issue that provokes more letters than abortion. No one on one side of the issue is going to change anyone else's mind who is on the other side. So just give it up and go do something productive. "

I would like to say wrote on Oct 19, 2007 1:23 PM:

" On another note, If your going to take away legal abortion, then lets go one step further and put an iud in every girl at the age of 12 until her and her husband (what ever age that is) can show proof of being able to raise and take care of mentality/and the cash. then they can reproduce. We have to stop the over growth of unwanted babies some how, right?? and if you can take the right to choose away then lets take away their right to reproduce!! "

I would like to say wrote on Oct 19, 2007 1:22 PM:

" It makes me a lil sick (being a mother of two) knowing there are girls that use this as a form of b/c! That being said, there are ppl who should NOT reproduce. Either because they are not capable of taking care of the baby OR because they can't stop using drugs long enough to carry the baby to term and give it up for adoption. There are WAY too many children in this country that are unwanted! As for PP I think they are god sent. They do a wonderful service. I think the woman should be able to choose, the man has no say, unless its his wife and its not a life or death situation. "

Re:Madmimm wrote on Oct 19, 2007 12:59 PM:

" Actually, men can't legally opt out of child support. Some men do not pay their child support bills, but there are laws (wage garnishment, etc) designed to attempt to collect on those debts. On the other hand, a married man has no legal recourse if his wife decides to abort. "

to The problem is wrote on Oct 19, 2007 12:34 PM:

" Man has already been working on that one. Why do you think certain cultures circumcise women and why they started circumcising men in America? "

to: Hypocrisy (again) wrote on Oct 19, 2007 12:31 PM:

" In many states, these double-murd

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