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JD wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:09 AM:

" Silence me? Never! I represent the only rational person making comments here. I have many imitators. I don't care if they are original or extra crispy. I am the only person who has provided proof of my statements. I conceded that SHS was harmful. I admitted that business owners did NOT have the right to permit smoking. I apologizd for my mistakes and now I am being vilified. It is not fair. "

A Friend wrote on Mar 11, 2008 7:51 AM:

" The correct quote is “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery”. It is a quote from the book “Anne of Green Gables”. He is truly a parody of himself; another example of his ineptitude. His can call himself anything he wants, but the initials of the juvenile delinquent have been silenced forever. As it should be. "

DK61727 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 3:22 AM:

" Dear "The original JD", banks have extremely sophisticated equipment and procedures in place to eschew theft or embezzelment, but in the end, banks can still be robbed and embezzeled. If you have no conscience, and you want to violate rules, policies, procedures, laws, regulations, statutes, etc., you can probably accomplish anything you set your mind to do. If "MRS." had asked me how to break laws and avoid detection, my answer to her, if I were an unscrupulous person, would have been much different than the one I gave her. The MAC address is generated at the hardware level (the data link layer) and it cannot be changed except at the hardware level (data link layer). But, that is NOT standard protocol. I know the MAC address can be EMULATED at a higher level. If I were alloted a space of 200 pages, rather than 200 words, I might have been tempted to discuss some of the interesting phenomena of the network, session and, particularly, transportation layers of the OSI to which you allude. Now stop busting my chops. "

The original JD wrote on Mar 10, 2008 9:33 PM:

" Re:The Extra Crispy JD - They say that imitation is the purest form of flattery, so I am not upset at all that you felt the need to register my usual handle, and derivatives of that handle. Too bad you still lack the ability to argue coherently, and still attempt to bait me with childish antics. After saying that, I will go back to ignoring you like you are a misbehaved child. "

The original JD wrote on Mar 10, 2008 9:29 PM:

" RE:DK61727 - I am not going to get into the nuts and bolts of how such actions are performed. There are plenty of "how-to" guides available online so that one does not even need much more than basic computer knowledge to do it. One would be surprised just how untracable internet traffic can be. After all, if it was as you said, almost every internet criminal could be hunted down and prosecuted immediately. I was just pointing out that your 'matter of fact' attitude about internet security is unfounded. Almost every aspect of the internet, from the computer to the packets, can be changed to make the traffic virtually untracable. "

The Extra Crispy JD wrote on Mar 10, 2008 8:52 PM:

" Thank you DK61727. Once again someone has pointed out the mistakes of the interloper. It seems no mater what the topic, he is the ultimate "expert". His new moniker is amusing. What was wrong with the old one? I like mine. Ask anyone, extra crispy is better. "

c.a.t.s. wrote on Mar 10, 2008 4:31 PM:

" please read Bloomington considering new contract for patrol officer pay look to the bottom of the story "

DK61727 wrote on Mar 10, 2008 3:17 PM:

" To "The original JD", MAC addresses were specifically designed to be fixed, never to be changed. You can call me a pseudo-intellectual for making that statement and you can call all the readers "ignorant" for believing that statement, but the statement is actual and factual in spite of any childish public tantrum you throw. I realize MAC addresses can be emulated in software, but that is not changing the MAC address, which is required to be "burnt-in" by the manufacturer. If you want to teach cracking and phreaking, knock yourself out. I would predict that probably more than 95% of home users access the Internet through an ISP. Unless the ISP requires customers to sign-on with the ISP using a login and password EACH time they access the Internet, then the ISP has to have the customer's MAC address on file to assign an IP address. You don't need to remind us that every procedure established by mankind has an exception or can also be circumvented by mankind.
"

The Extra Crispy JD wrote on Mar 10, 2008 2:43 PM:

" Do not accept any substitutions. "

The original JD wrote on Mar 10, 2008 10:17 AM:

" Re: DK61727. What DK61727 fails to mention is that MAC addresses can be changed easily. DK61727 also fails to mention that with spoofing or using of proxies, internet traffic can appear to be coming for somewhere else, even places non-existent. This is one of the things I bothers me so much about this area. There are way to many people with just a little bit of education, but attempt to portray themselves as intellectuals, and the mostly uneducated populace tends to believe them. It is like the blind being led by people with 4000/20 vision...and no glasses on anyone. "

The Cat wrote on Mar 10, 2008 9:06 AM:

" To: “Rational Humanist” (that moniker is an oxymoron if there ever was one). If you think your cohort (The Cats) is operating in any real dimension just check out its posts on the 3/10/08 opinion letter on labeling presidential candidates. It can’t even get Obummer’s parentage straight. Like you, “The Cats” is confused on facts and way out “progressive” on opinions. It appears that others are also having trouble with the “rationality” of your 3/7/08 post. "

What now? wrote on Mar 10, 2008 6:35 AM:

" Nothing has changed, you are still going to see the vigilante "hit and runs". Yahoo and Hotmail accounts are still being used. So again, what's changed? I know 6 or 7 people on here that use multiple yahoo accounts. Read Yippie's first comment. He is right, you have to take the good and the bad or otherwise it is censorship. "

MRS. wrote on Mar 9, 2008 9:49 PM:

" RE:DK61727: Thank you for the information. I hope you are saying each computer has a separate "MAC. Either you are very knowlegeable or you blow smoke very well. I tend to believe you know what you are talking about, I don't think anyone could make that up. I know how to type, do a little little research, and get myself in trouble. Again, thank you for you reply. "

mizzlin wrote on Mar 9, 2008 5:39 PM:

" To DK61727,,,,in re: to rational humanist,,,,LOL,,,you hit the nail on the head,, what IS this person smoking???? LOLOLO,,when I finished reading his post, I felt like ,,,,,,well DUH? "

DK61727 wrote on Mar 9, 2008 3:20 PM:

" Dear "Rational Humanist: I just read your post from Mar 7, 2008 5:33 AM. It is difficult to ascertain if you are a sleepless, disturbed person, or, you just got home from the bars with a bag-on. What does the phrase "particular alternative dimension" mean? Are you trying to sound educated? Instead, try sounding like a communicator. What is a "relative novice". Either one is or is not a novice, like one is or is not pregnant. What is "repetitious sameness". That's clearly redundant and has no rational meaning. What is an "endless succession of threads"? Pantagraph threads have clearly defined beginnings and ends.....therefore, they can't be "endless". What is a "dominant personality in their multiple" mean? Does anyone, anywhere, have any idea what that means? "

DK61727 wrote on Mar 9, 2008 2:37 PM:

" "dman", yes comments are down. Especially, the nasty, obnoxious, ad hominem comments that used to be made anonymously by irresponsible crackpots. Every person still have the same right to anonymity and to free speech, but now there is a limit to incivility, profanity, obscenity and indecency. If a commenter wishes to to continue to do those unacceptable things, the onus of re-registering each time is upon that person. Good riddance to those muck-rackers. "

mizzlin wrote on Mar 9, 2008 2:18 PM:

" to miskaffon and 420,, As I sit here reading your comments, which sound like echos of each other, I almost have to laugh at your anti Americanism. Times have changed GREATLY since our beloved constitution was written. (which I personally feel is outdated, and needs to have changes made, to relate to the times we are now living in.) The events of 911, began the creation of all of the things YOU, miskoffon accuse our gov't of doing. I personally, that have nothing to hide, feel safer with all of these technological things in place. I don't consider a gov't that second guesses anyone's actions, and acts upon any suspicions about someone to be acting like big brother. If you both feel this actitivity is a form of Naziism, and are so negative toward your country and it's government, then maybe you should search out another place to reside that fit's your agendas. And for you, 420, I feel that my children and grandchildren have the privilage of being born in the greatest nation on earth, and have a gov't that values their safety by having any kind of technology available to protect them, no matter what it takes. "

DK61727 wrote on Mar 9, 2008 2:09 PM:

" "MRS.", Internet Protocol (IP) requires each modem or router to have a unique identifier (MAC address). So, if you have 5 home computers, each with a modem of some kind and each modem allowed Internet access, then you have 5 different MAC addresses, a unique identifier for each computer. The manufacturer of each modem creates the unique MAC address when the modem is manufactured and it never changes. The identifier is built into the hardware and is transmitted automatically each time your modem transmits a packet. When you access your Internet Service Provider (ISP), the equipment (e.g. a bridge) at your ISP office recognizes the unique identifier of each of your modems. While your ISP may dynamically assign you a different IP (logical) address each time you access the Internet, your modem's address, known as a MAC (a data link layer address) address, remains the same. In other words, generally, each packet of computer information must have two addresses to be routed over the Internet; the IP (logical) and the MAC (data link). "

miskaffon wrote on Mar 9, 2008 9:51 AM:

" To Mizzlin; the problem here isn't that our government IS Nazi, it is that the Big Brother actions: cameras, single nation-wide id, micro-chipping, warrantless monitoring of anyone they deem dangerous, more and more social behavior regulation....they are the TACTICS used by governments in the beginning of TOTALITARIANISM! They rely on people who do not QUESTION their actions to be sheeeple until it is too late to stop the barbed wire fences and abuse that people suffered under naziism. Eternal vigilance and sensitivity to the letter and law of the Constitution are the ONLY ways we can prevent this current trend toward oppressive laws and regulations. "

420 wrote on Mar 9, 2008 9:36 AM:

" To: mizzlin
You have so much to learn about what freedom is. I feel so sorry for you that you feel that we are free in this nation. An example of why we have allowed our nation to fall apart all around us....
If no one gets angry there will never be change in the right direction. Should I sit at home and just be passive and not try to change anything to make it a better life for me and my children?
Such a sad world to have people think they are free when you really are not free but a mere sheep working to enrich the government and their lobbiests... "

ja1978 wrote on Mar 9, 2008 4:41 AM:

" to poster:

If you have that many "tasks" you need done, why don't you hire one of the many illegal immigrants we have roaming freely in our country. Most of us have better things to do than help you pick up your empty beer cans or wash your plastic flatware. "

poster wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:18 PM:

" Some of you people have entirely to much time on your hands. Why would any useful human being go through their ISP to have a new IP address just to post comments? If you have that much time on your hands I have plenty of tasks that keep me busy everyday that I would be glad to share so I had some time free. I think everyone can see that the same person is posting all of these things, even the ones that so called agree with him are probably the same person. One of those losers without a job that sits home and plays video games all day long and who's only source of entertainment while smoking pot is to rile everyone else here. why not ignore him, maybe he will find somewhere else to fry his brain cells. "

Townie here... wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:59 AM:

" Gotta admit that I accidentally deleted my original confirmation email for my "Townie" name...that being said, I tweaked it and got in on this name...farewell Townie!

Also, I don't see the big deal in having to register...what's up everyone?? Someone explain how that's a bad thing...? You have to register with other websites (myspace, facebook etc) to be able to leave comments... Oh well... "

dman wrote on Mar 8, 2008 8:08 AM:

" since this change, comments are down..the site is now dull.
way to ruin a good thing pantagraph "

mizzlin wrote on Mar 8, 2008 6:55 AM:

" To Country Boy
I totally agree with your thinking. There are some ppl that continue to post in several blogs, that do nothing but badmouth our country. They call our gov't Nazi's, and other insulting names. Although there might be things that I don't agree with when it comes to decisions made by our gov't, I just couldn't continually live with all of that anger toward it. I'm a true blue born in America, citizen, and when I look around this world I think that as far as freedom is concerned, we far exceed what other places have to offer. We are, and always have been the greatest country in the world to live. If that were not true, why would so many ppl from other areas of the world immigrate here? Although were in a sad state now with our economy, we have been there before, and were able to revive, and we will do it again. "

MRS. wrote on Mar 7, 2008 9:54 PM:

" RE:DK61727. Buy what happens when there is more tha one computer in the home. There are 5 computers in our home with 4 users. "

The Extra Crispy JD wrote on Mar 7, 2008 11:21 AM:

" My handle has been hijacked. Most people prefer extra crispy to original anyway. I congratulate the Panatagraph on taking this new approach. "

Rational Humanist wrote on Mar 7, 2008 5:33 AM:

" I cannot see how the Cat thinks that anyone is "confused" when it comes to posts emanating from his particular alternative dimension. This new system could never have clarified the issue in any case. Only a relative novice might fail to to pick up on the bland and repetitious sameness of the drivel he, Yada and Wat post on here in an endless succession of threads. No regular reader has yet settled on which of them is the dominant personality in their multiple. This is not confusing, just something to keep us all busy theorizing about during slow news cycles. "

DK61727 wrote on Mar 7, 2008 3:13 AM:

" To "420" and others like you. The purpose of the Pantagaraph registration is to encourage civilized discourse. Before registration was required, there were far too many anonymous snipers out there making totally ludicrous statements to other posters without exercising any responsibility whatsoever. No one has been censored by this procedure. Now, "420", for the real tough news. It doesn't matter how many IP or email addys you have, you have absolutely no anonymity, whatsoever. Ever hear of MAC (Media Access Control) addresses? As I recall, when each packet is generated by your computer and when that packet travels through your data link layer, your MAC address is appended to it. Each hardware terminal device has a unique MAC address, just like each person has unique fingerprints. That's how your IP provider knows who you are when you come up for Internet access. IP addresses are appended at the logical level and MAC addresses are appended at the hardware (data link level) of the OSI. "

JD wrote on Mar 6, 2008 2:57 PM:

" Why can't people stay on the topic of the article? "

ja1978 wrote on Mar 6, 2008 10:13 AM:

" to: ES

I am assuming you are anything other than a Republican or a Democrat, because if you do vote Democrat then you are a huge hypocrite! Listen to that demon Hillary talk all the trash about Obama, saying he can't be trusted and shaming him on television. Now she has the nerves to say she would pick him as a running mate! Which is it, is she lying now just to trash him or does she just not care what negative affects an untrustworthy politician, her vice-president, would have on the U.S.? Either way she is already a liar or not looking out for the best interests of all of us. It's just too bad that both of them can't lose!!!! "

The Cat wrote on Mar 6, 2008 8:21 AM:

" To: "ES". If a poster cannot convince another based on the strengths of their arguments then trying to pose as another to confuse the issues by implying you are representing another's ideology shows either their position is weak or they have a mental problem. As to "my party clouding the issues", if you imply I am a Republican, I usually vote that way because the candidate is acceptable or the lesser of two evils but will never vote for McManic. As to “clouding issues” your party, the “Democrats” (who are not democratic based on their primary process rules), usually don’t bother to cloud; like both of your candidates on NAFTA and the Dem congressional leadership on Iraq, they usually just outright LIE. On “vulgar” and “mean spirited” your comment sure has that ring. As to the value of my arguments vs “The Cats”, see the post below yours on the effects of “The Cats” disruptive behavior. "

ES wrote on Mar 6, 2008 12:07 AM:

" To The Cat: I applaud The Cats and his/her right to confuse people. Let's face it, right winger, your party has clouded issues for years. Now quit whining, like you accuse the often-hated liberals of doing and move on. We all know the distiction without your pointing it out. Intelligent comments come from The Cats and idiotic comments from you. Got it. If you dislike the Pantagraph for shoring up the website to stop the vulgar displays and mean-spirited comments; tough. Go elsewhere to spew your hatred. "

ja1978 wrote on Mar 5, 2008 11:16 PM:

" to The Cats:

I was making a point saying they would not have to worry about going out of business. Quit impersonating others, you are creating an unpleasant atmosphere. I was mistaking you for the "The Cat" who I normally agree with. You have a long way to go before you earn some respect. "

The Cat wrote on Mar 5, 2008 2:57 PM:

" I was hoping this approach would limit some of the posters that try to negate others' arguments by using posting names to confuse other readers but it appears that is not to be. I have respect for (even if I don't agree with) posters with opposite views like Lizzie, Meh, ThosSpence, and Patriot but I resent someone using a minor variation of my tag like The Cats to post arguments (usually inane) that are totally opposite mine. This tactic confuses other readers. "

Country Boy wrote on Mar 5, 2008 10:50 AM:

" Well I personally am not going anywhere. I may not like a few of the things going on but it is what it is. Like I said, there are a heck of a lot worse counties to live in! "

The Cats wrote on Mar 5, 2008 10:29 AM:

" To Ja 1978...which local mini-marts are owned by the government? You tell other they have to earn respect and you think you get respect with posts like yours? "

Country Boy wrote on Mar 5, 2008 9:48 AM:

" I never once stated I do not like the country the way it is so I have no reason to leave. People rant and rave about all the BS but obviously you all have jobs, decent incomes and lots of time to post freely on here. My point was there is a heck of a lot worse places to live by far... "

ja1978 wrote on Mar 5, 2008 3:21 AM:

" JD, I couldn't agree more. "

Rational Humanist wrote on Mar 4, 2008 5:27 PM:

" The Pantagraph has been blocking all sorts of posts right along. The software they use to parse post language would suppress a great many passages from children's books. So, there may very well be some censoring of unpleasant (to the censor) postings but it will not be anything new on their end. If some of our more paranoid or hare-brained posters opt out - Well, self-censoring is a type of free speech too. "

Gov't Oppressed Mule wrote on Mar 4, 2008 4:20 PM:

" Leave it to the good ole boys to start screaming "love it or leave it." Your blind acceptance of a phrase just shows the intellengence level this country is at. Sorry "Country boy." but I like you (I'm assuming) were born here. I am, unlike modern libs, proud of what our country once was and what it could be. If , and only IF, we stop the restriction our God given rights as Americans, by the very gov't we created. The US gov't has become like Frankenstein's monster. Aroud the world we are looked upon as being worse than the Nazi's, here at home we are constantly violating our own laws to further fatten the politicians pockets. If you don'y like the country the way it was, why don't you leave? I personally believe in the constitution AS IT WAS WRITTEN. not the modified version the gov't asks you to whole heartedly accept by chanting such phrases as love it or leave it. "

JD wrote on Mar 4, 2008 4:15 PM:

" It is all about people taking responsibility for their own destiny. I am embarassed by the ignorance of the lunatic oppressed posters. No matter what handle he goes by now. "

COUNTRY BOY wrote on Mar 4, 2008 3:15 PM:

" If you guys do not like it here in the good old USA why not try Mexico or somewhere in South America, seems like you might like it there and its easily within driving distance... "

Gov't Oppressed Mule wrote on Mar 4, 2008 2:49 PM:

" to: JA1978 I can only hope your statements are made in jest. Really, what's the problem? How about the fact that our gov't has proven itself (like all gov'ts-even the one from which we gained our "freedom") corrupt? Free school systems? Last time I checked I pay taxes to pay for your schools out of every paycheck. And social security? Have you even been keeping up with the news, social security is BROKE. We are printing money that's worth NOTHING. This is the same way the USSR crumbled. In closing the only "well being" our gov't cares about is their own, if they really cared about OUR well being why do they continue to accept paychecks for work not done, thereby driving us further in debt? Would you pay a contractor to fix your house if all he did was continuously show up and tell you what's wrong without fixing anything? This is exactly what you are doing with your "elected" officials. Clinton and Bush has done NOTHING to better this country, yet even after they are out of office we still pay them over 600k a year for life. "

ja1978 wrote on Mar 4, 2008 2:14 PM:

" To: Gov't Oppressed Mule

That is exactly the kind of thinking that gets people in trouble. When are you going to "get on board." You should be happy that our government watches out for your well being. We already have free non-college level education and social security, soon we will have free health care and prescription drug plans for the masses, in addition to government run busninesses like your local mini mart. This way businesses can be free of worry about failing. What's the problem? "

Gov't Oppressed Mule wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:43 PM:

" TO: JA1978 and GOM. Your socialist ideas and "agree or be punished" motto is exactly the kind of thinking that has enpowered our gov't to slowly strip our rights. "

ja1978 wrote on Mar 4, 2008 12:21 PM:

" GOM couldn't have said it better. It is very important to insure that everyone who speaks here have the same opinions and agree on all points. Should anyone show signs of independent thinking they should be dealt with in an "appropriate" fashion by our newly formed secret society. It is only in this, one day insha' allah, we shall challenge the Clingons for intergalactic domination. "

GOM wrote on Mar 4, 2008 10:58 AM:

" If privacy is important, use a public computer or a wireless connection at a free place. Setup a free email account and your privacy is assured. I think the Pantgraph is trying to provide a forum, but it has to balance it with the oppressed nitwits and juvenile delinquents who are no friends of ours. "

GOM wrote on Mar 4, 2008 9:03 AM:

" Golly, I think I've earned it. "

ja1978 wrote on Mar 4, 2008 3:31 AM:

" To: Gov't Oppressed Mule
Thanks for your reply. I don't care what handle you use, full or abbreviated, you can't make others take you seriously. That is something you have to earn. "

Patriot wrote on Mar 3, 2008 3:47 PM:

" Does this mean that no one can put messages with anyone else's Name? "

Gov't Oppressed Mule wrote on Mar 3, 2008 12:08 PM:

" TO: ja1978 Thank you for such kind hearted comments, secondly that wasn't me that posted that message. I believe it was somebody trying to prove a point that the system has flaws. My "handle" is Gov't Oppressed Mule, not GOM Just like JD's is JD not J D. This person registered under multiple names to show the point that there are flaws. But thanks again for showing the reason the Pantagraph instilled these policies. "

Catfish wrote on Mar 3, 2008 7:18 AM:

" From the comments so far it doesn't sound like this policy will bring about much change. That's good as the comments sections serve a useful purpose - I'm sure many of us read the comments and then realize we may be both somewhat normal and somewhat intelligent (as well as able to spell and use correct grammar).
Anyone feeling this new policy amounts to censorship is free to start his own newspaper. "

Common Sense Guy wrote on Mar 2, 2008 7:27 PM:

" Hey, the comments after Feb. 29 have improved! No more of those "To: xxx " comments where people get after each other with such a name. Yea. Good work Pantagraph. "

ja1978 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:02 PM:

" to GOM: No we won't, no one will ever take you seriously! "

redneck/not wrote on Mar 2, 2008 11:41 AM:

" Alright i see you cant call a pot head a part to a car or truck .If you choose to smoke that stuff thats on you.As for registering to put comments here I think it's a wonderful idea.Saying that ......I for one plan to spend a lot of time talking from here.At least here I can speak my mind and not have to worry to much about censorship,and what not.And a Goodmorning to every one out there,too. "

redneck/not wrote on Mar 2, 2008 11:32 AM:

" Wow! There are people who can spell out there.As for the dipstick who smokes pot,thats your choice.What a good waste of what used to be called a brain. "

a friend wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:40 PM:

" Perhaps some of the Pantagraph should have modeled its comments process after the Chicago Tribune's. It has some very nifty features. The one I like best is the ability to respond specifically to a previous post. Check it out. "

Silence Dogood wrote on Mar 1, 2008 11:16 AM:

" Hope this leads to good writing.

As Benjamin Franklin, aka Silence Dogood, Harry Meanwell, Alice Addertongue, Richard Saunders, Timothy Turnstone, and Busybody, said,“No Piece can properly be called good, and well written, which is void of any Tendency to benefit the Reader, either by improving his Virtue or his Knowledge.”

"

GOM wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:22 AM:

" Now people will have to take me seriously. "

Country Boy wrote on Mar 1, 2008 8:33 AM:

" 420, just because you believe, it sure is far from making it the truth... "

poster wrote on Mar 1, 2008 8:10 AM:

" to 420....I was just wondering if you learned all of that information from your jail cell. you sounded valid until you threw in that you would change your IP address in order to post a comment. who really cares that much. i know I dont. And telling us you have spent plenty of time in jail really does nothing for your credibility. "

Publius wrote on Mar 1, 2008 7:01 AM:

" I just registered - it was quick, painless, I used my real email account (which I was assured the rest of you wouldn't see) , I wasn't required to give my name, address etc., & furthermore censorship is GOVERMENT control of political speech. So all you bellyachers, quit your whining & either sign up or bid adieu - you won't be missed. "

J D wrote on Mar 1, 2008 4:28 AM:

" This is nice. "

jipsi wrote on Mar 1, 2008 3:29 AM:

" I may not be comfortable having my "real" name posted with my comments (thanks for at least that small bit of security, Pantagraph), but I am fine having a 'name' that I can be identified-with here. I have NEVER understood why others did not choose a name for themselves to begin with, to use in and identify themselves with, in all of their posts. ... Some have, and to those I say: THANK YOU! I enjoy reading your comments immensely, even those I do not always agree with! ... And to those who prefer clever (or nothing at all) little tags or quips, in lieu of a "name" of some kind: Shouting into a "room" of people talking, and not raising your hand when someone asks 'who said that?' is the mark of a COWARD, not someone exercising their 'right' to free speech. ... And that's all I have to say about that. "

jipsi, One More Thing: on multiple Email accounts... wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:16 PM:

"

Just an FYI to the "know-it-alls" here who cackle (gleefully?) that one can just whip up a new email account via Yahoo, Hotmail, etc. anytime they want to post their "whatevers": I run several message boards/forums for clients, and use both a comment section such as this as well as a general "forum" community. With BOTH set ups, I was able to script in parameters that would DISALLOW users to register more than once using the same IP and email address, AND, to counter those who think they have a workaround, flat-out disallowed ANY users to register from anything but a verifiable email address (your ACCOUNT, for instance)... "web-hosted" email accounts are not allowed, BECAUSE of the very abuse they've been used for.
In short, if you have an ACCOUNT for your dial-up, broadband, work, etc,. then you have an email addy or two that goes with it: THAT is the only email addy our boards and subscribers can join with. Period. So sorry to break the news to a few of you... Again, good move, Pantagraph.

jip "

jipsi, it's ABOUT TIME! Bravo... wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:55 PM:

" As a longtime reader AND (comments) contributor here, I have LONG hoped for, and expected, The Pantagraph to revamp the comments procedure in such a way that would ensure commenters be responsible AND accountable (NOT the same as "censorship"; look 'em up.) while exercising their 'freedom of speech'. It CAN, and SHOULD, be done. The Constitution allows us this freedom, but with respect and responsibility; anyone who thinks they can yell 'fire' in a filled theater (when there isn't one), or post multiple times under different 'fake names/titles (to make it look as though they are different people), and say it's their 'right', should be ashamed.
This can now become a real FORUM, and not just a hit and run rumpus room.
"Anonymity is the shadowy refuge of criminals: truth can stand in the light, unflinching."

Here's to more insightful, enriched discussions...

jipsi
"

Mama wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:10 PM:

" to WAIT: I couldn't agree more! Some sort of literacy screening might eliminate the worst whining. Is it coincidence that many of the negative postings about current targets in this community (education, government, etc.) are examples of horrible grammar and spelling? "

Hurray wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:58 PM:

" Perhaps, registering will keep out the rascist comments! "

tt wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:07 PM:

" yippieeeee "

me wrote on Feb 29, 2008 6:45 PM:

" waaaaaa "

Love it wrote on Feb 29, 2008 6:23 PM:

" I love the fact that this may be the most commented article! Crazy how everyone is responding! "

..::mizer::.. wrote on Feb 29, 2008 6:07 PM:

" whatever "

The Dark Knight wrote on Feb 29, 2008 5:38 PM:

" Probably the last time I will be able to use this name. While I do not feel that having a comment section useful or necessary, I think that this is a good idea to require registration. I really do not understand why people are so upset. You are still feel to express your opinion. No rights have been violated. People are upset because they will now be held accountable for what they are saying. If you enjoy free speech, be willing to stand up for what you say. The registration will get back to intelligent exchanges and get rid of the hateful messages and garbage. "

TO: LIL Johny from Gov't Oppressed Mule wrote on Feb 29, 2008 5:30 PM:

" I voted but don't know what my precint number was (first time at my new house.) But it was at Miller Park (but there were 3 different precints there.) Don't know why you asked for this info, but I'll give it. Hell, if you want to know who I voted for I'll tell you. Like you stated in your previous posts, I also stand behind my choices as I have nothing to hide and will gladly tell the world who I think is best for a job and why. "

420 wrote on Feb 29, 2008 5:09 PM:

" If you need an even better example of what publicity can do, ask 10 adults at random, who is running for the White house. You will find every single one of them will know about Hillary, Obambi, and McCain, yet the least covered Logical candidate for the White house Dr. Ron Paul , will probably only get acknowledged by 20% or 2 of 10 people. That is the power of Media, and unless this nation wakes up to this fact you will continue to have every single right you have left stripped from you.

"

Dr. Orangutan Chief Cardiologist Miller Park Zoo wrote on Feb 29, 2008 5:06 PM:

" Dear Pantagraph...What is the frequency? "

Wait... wrote on Feb 29, 2008 5:02 PM:

" Is it to late too ad spel check two the new systim? "

Bloomington Resident wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:47 PM:

" I hope this encourages serious dialogue and real discussion, not the kind of posts we have become used to seeing. "

L'l Johnny wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:25 PM:

" Sorry to keep coming back like this, but I have a new question. If you voted in the primary elections, just post your user name along with your precinct number. Or if you did'nt vote say nay along with your precinct number. "

Li'l Johnny wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:14 PM:

" I know, I know, I'm repeating myself here, but DWARF brought up my favorite point which I neglected to mention: this will disallow people from using other people's usernames to make a comment. I have had this happen to me only a couple of times that I know of, but previously there was no defense. "

I Smoke Pot wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:13 PM:

" AKA 420, is that more clear for you. I registered this name too. Do you see this will stop nothing.
"

Dave wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:11 PM:

" I post on a couple other papers and they require registeration. Plus, they have more stringint guidelines than the Pantagraph.
Plus, hasn't the Pantagraph been requiring Email addresses for the past few weeks?
I don't trust anyone. I know the Pantagraph could turn on all of us at a future date in one way or another but I will take the chance because I believe what I have to say is important enough for me take that chance. "

420 wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:05 PM:

" I have to tell you all thank you for the kind hearted words, and I love each and everyone of you.
I find it so funny you think I made a threat to ISU, lol. I pointed out what is truly happening to our world, and why I believe this is happening more and more each day. I also have a feeling that the person who keeps saying this is a police officer who knows that I spoke the truth on the situation and is only speaking to ensure hi/her job security, by dis-swaying the public opinion to the reality of what publicity will can can do.
You need to take a real good look around and see what is happening and ask any child who they idol, as it is always someone famous, and the best way to be famous is to get you name in the news.
All I was saying is that making story's like that public is encouraging it to happen, and the future of what that will bring out. I have no reason to threaten ISU, none. I made my point of view nothing more... "

Observer wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:51 PM:

" for post IP's . Is your name Hitler or Stalin or Bush ??? "

420 wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:36 PM:

" lol, amazing they are still letting personal attacks go through. I speak the truth as to what I BELIEVE, now my name does not imply I smoke pot, my name is nothing more than a number. But I have a right to ingest any substance so long as I am willing to accept the consequences of my actions, that is something you will never be able to stop, no matter what you do. You don't have to read what I write just simply skip over my comments it is as simple as that. The real joke is the fact that I have to live in a world that everyone hates each other, and guess what you happen to be a big part of that.
Now on to bigger fish.... "

Li'l Johnny wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:19 PM:

" This may have already been posted here; I haven't waded thru all the comments yet. But here are a couple of definitions that ought to be posted on every comment page.
SLANDER: defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc...
LIBEL: defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
BOTH ACTIONS CAN RESULT IN A CIVIL SUIT BEING FILED AGAINST THE SPEAKER, OR AUTHOR. IN FACT; it can seriously ruin your day. Ask the National Enquirer.
I have identified myself several times on the comments page, and in Letters to the Editor.Here; how’s this: Li'l Johnny = Wes Newport Sr, write that down if you like. It is just more comfortable to use a user name so that I don't immediately and personally be held responsible for every little comment that comes out of my brain. Even though ultimately I am responsible and will stand behind that comment.
Finally, these pages are the private property of the Pantagraph, as such you have only those rights afforded you by the Pantagraph! "

Even Better! wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:10 PM:

" To go a step further, I wish they required our user names to be our actual first and last name. That way, no one could hide behind their screen name. This is a good step in the right direction however. "

Just registered wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:31 PM:

" Well I just registered & I said my real name is Sara Jessica Parker and they accepted. YAY!!!

Um yeah how is this going to help when it was so simple to use a fake name? "

to: 420 wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:28 PM:

" you are a joke... nobody sould listen to him. for one his name is for the pot day. he is the type of reason we are going to have to sign up for the comments. pantagraph why are you allowing him to put his comments up with 420... he just wants people to know he smokes pot "

Smapdi wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:24 PM:

" All the cries of oppression, complication and sticking it to the man are just comical. First off, they would be ill-advised to even bother with blocking IPs for all the flaws and side-effects it can cause (first and foremost being that most people are on dynamic - ever changing and shared - IPs). It's a non-issue, so don't worry about spoofing (or trying to get your provider to keep feeding you new statics... I'd love to see that!) Further, they could've been doing that w/o registration, so...??? The email address is also a non-issue. If you're worried about giving out your "real" addy get a "junk" one (yahoo, gmail, hotmail, etc...) The "real name" and such is entirely optional, but if you must fill it out, just lie! The end result is nobody should be deterred and nobody effectively CAN be deterred from posting as always. Now we'll just be able to be certain of the author behind the screen name and maybe be able to have a coherent conversation w/o all the "to soandso" stuff. "

Sloth wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:20 PM:

" I am an "external" at the farm. My wife and I CHERISH the times when the Pantagraph posts something about SF, because we KNOW the haters are going to come out in force, which is just fascinating reading.

In the 70's, B/N was socio-economically similar to the following surrounding communities: Lincoln, Decatur, Streator, Pontiac, Ottawa, Mattoon. But B/N has a Fortune 25 company headquartered there, and those other places do not. Would you trade any of those places for this place? Thought not.

If you are HONESTLY paranoid enough that Big Brother is going to use this registration process to track you down and do you harm...well...the comments section will be better off without you! It won't be as stupid (and as entertaining to myself and the Mrs.) but I applaud the Pantagraph on this move. "

THE Unique Username wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:20 PM:

" To To Censorship - How do you figure that this public forum is private property? LMAO. Anyway, it boils down to the freedom of speech, the freedom to read what you do and don't want, and the ability to keep a reasonable head. If there is bashing in the blog, do you really care? Why take it personally? If you have a worthless comment to post, do you really care if nobody reads it? I swear, people take themselves and others too seriously at times. Read, write, relax. "

j wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:15 PM:

" i applaud the pantagraph for setting this up. i'm sure they could care less if you use a real name or not. i think the point is to deter negative posters who aren't on here on a daily basis. many won't go through the trouble to register. meanwhile it saves the rest of us a lot of time. "

BigSkyy wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:07 PM:

" Goodbye Pantagraph comment section, it's been real. "

Dan to Elaine wrote on Feb 29, 2008 1:40 PM:

" Why???? What do you see that you think needs censorship? What is it you don't think someone should be allow to say????? "

Elaine wrote on Feb 29, 2008 1:24 PM:

" This entire thread is proof positive of why some accountability for comments is needed. "

C.A.T.S. wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:56 PM:

" this wont cahange things much. if your that spineless and sooo afraid of someone knowing who you are then you probably dont have to much to say anyway..
myself i will continue calling tom hamilton a liar and a jackass!! if he wants to know who iam so be it. if he cant take the heat he should get out of city hall..
OH thats right thats what im after removing him from his job.. hey tom wheres the money pit numbers?? last i knew you had two more months to make up 100K or more i dont see it happening.. more lies!!!! "

midget wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:37 PM:

" good idea pantagraph it's your website. plus i get tired of seeing to:to:to cynic "

Dan wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:31 PM:

" Wow, apparently a lot of people have a problem with accountability. I don't have a problem with honesty, but if you feel so inclined to state your opinions, you shouldn't be afraid to be associated with them. If that's such a big problem... grow up. "

midget wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:29 PM:

" gosh, i just pray to allah everytime i see some condescending lib use "24%er". i just wish i was that ejumacated that i could call folks names because i didn't agree wiff dem. "

possible wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:29 PM:

" Is it possible to only allow people to register with 'non-free' e-mail addresses? Not the hotmail, yahoo, etc. type that take any Joe Shmoe? That would cut down on people having multiple usernames or just using a one-time e-mail address. "

Also funny thing about the smoking ban... wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:00 PM:

" If you (like me) disagreed with the smoking ban because you believed that business owners should have the right to decide what to allow or not-allow in their privately-owned bars, restaurants, and stores...

...then how can you disagree with the Pantagraph (another business) for deciding what to allow or not allow in their privately-owned place of business (this web site)? "

dwarf wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:49 AM:

" This is not the government infringing your right of free speech. The Pantagraph is a private enterprise, *not* a governmental body.

You are - right now - able to post on this site *because the Pantagraph allows the public to post.* They have no duty to provide a place for readers to post, but they are a better paper for it. By the same token, posting on this site is not a constitutionally protected right.

You can exercise your first amendment rights just like you could before, but the Pantagraph has no obligation to give you a forum in which to do so. The fact that they are requiring registration is a responsible step towards keeping themselves safe from libel lawsuits and keeping the forums a valuable tool for expression of opinion. "

Li'l Johnny wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:44 AM:

" AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! ......AND I NOW PRESENT THE HALLELUJAH CHORUS AS MY LAST COMMENT! Well actually you sort of have to pretend on this, but you get my point. "

uhm wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:42 AM:

" Because they don't filter the comments enough? now they want to be able to prosecute you by taking away the commenting privilage if you are tidy and polite? nice... "

Davell wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Registration is OK with me. But, I don't have anything to say to anyone about anything that matters to anyone...except me. And, since no one cares what I say or think it serves as an opportunty to vent against those that have their hand in my wallet. And, there are plenty of blood suckers out there.

Plus, anything I say here, I'd be more that happy to say to those blood suckers directly. And, they don't like that to much either. "

TO: Ekim from Gov't Oppressed Mule wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:22 AM:

" Are you serious? I've gone so far as to compare Mayor Stockton to Hitler (due to his anti-smoking campaign) with my posts being posted. The only restrictions, by way of censorship, was when I 1. gave info that pointed to a person's guilt, prior to there trial. 2. I gave a link in my post (which does seem to get thru for the ban proponents, but not the opponents...hmmm?) But I've said PLENTY of anti views on the coliseum, our current gov't officials (local and national), the Pantagraph's choices to turn blind eyes to real news (Ron Paul), and the epitamy of evil and corporate greed State Farm. So I'm not sure where you got your source (that these posts would be censored) But I can assure you (as well as several people in here who've argued against my stances) that this isn't the case. "

whoami wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:17 AM:

" What continues to amaze me is the following: The number of people who WILLINGLY, forfiet their freedoms because they think someone else's rules will make it better for them. It happens in Education, Business (smoke-ban), Laws & ordinances, Private enterprise (pantagraph). Virtually everwhere. And so many, approve of these new rules, limiting or eliminating their previous freedoms, all the while, thinking things will be better. Well, remember the quote: "Be careful what U ask for, U just may get it". "

agree w/ 420 wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:14 AM:

" Who are all of you to tell me what is right for me. You all have so many opinions on how everyone sould behave, well guess what, no one cares. you do what you do and i'll do what i do, and if you don't like it, well you can kiss my... Big brother already has too many laws governing us, and we the people gave them that ability. when will we wake up and realize we're all screwed. take a stand and stick up for what you beleive in. just don't expect others to share your view. if they do great, if not, well that's great too. just everyone do whatever makes you happy, and leave the rest of us to live our owns lives. "

I have.. wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:13 AM:

" already registered. You make up a username, and that is the ONLY information that will be visible on the website. This practice is NO different than any other message board that I have posted on. I'm not sure why you people feel registering with a username will somehow infringe upon your ability to post your thoughts. I'm sure all of the jealous State Farm posts will go through as they have prior to registration. "

Dave wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:09 AM:

" I just registered my name Dave. Now no other Daves can use the name. :)
Anytime you sign on to a web site like this one they can put a cookie on your computer that will identify you from then on.
I don't see registering with a privite enterprise in order to use their serviced as an infringment on my rights.
Am I the only one who has had to include my email address with every post I've made over the past few weeks?
"

YAY! wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:02 AM:

" Thank goodness! Thank you, Pantagraph for (finally) doing something! "

whoami wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:59 AM:

" To: to whoami - Well U may have said it better than I. Your hypothesis is probably correct. However, a site where all agree and dissenting opinions are restricted in any way is a sad day for FREEDOM and LIBERTY. Compared to the speech on the the ISU Quad, the speakers would first need to "register" before their opinions could be heard. LIkewise, any comments (good or bad) would first require "registration" before any comments could be made. I would think in a FREE exchange of ideas, that absent of an audience, the speakers voice and ideas would be moot, registered or not. "

dwarf wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:41 AM:

" Yes, Gov't Oppressed Mule, it looks like the sky is falling and the devil's putting on some ice skates :) "

dwarf wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:38 AM:

" Unless I'm mistaken, the Pantagraph isn't going to publish your real name or email address on your posts - only the nickname you choose when you register.

The name & email are for them to make sure (well, as sure as possible) that you're a real person.

If they do make all of that user information public, I'll be very surprised; that's not standard practice at all on any message board I've ever been on. "

TO: Dwarf from Gov't Opp. Mule wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:33 AM:

" I can't believe this, but we agree on something. The registration isn't that bad. There are many websites (can't post names because of restrictions) that allow users to use it for free, but if they want to make comments must register. They are not infringing on anyone's rights of free speech, but instead covering there own butts (by being able to suspend abusive registerees to avoid lawsuits and a complete spin into chaos). I've even seen this being compared to the smoking ban. This is the same example of a business owner choosing to go non smoking. It's there choice. If you don't want to register a fake screen name to an e-mail acct (and you can get those anywhere without giving real name info) then you will need to find another forum. "

Feather the Clutch wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:27 AM:

" dwarf, I was thinking the same thing. I read the comments on stories all the time, and I'd say the viewpoints expressed are, as you say, "all over the place." I see plenty of pro and con opinions on just about every subject, from State Farm to the Coliseum to the Pantagraph itself! I have yet to see any dominant political agenda being shaped by the types of comments that are being allowed by the Pantagraph on this website. I fail to see how anybody is really being censored or how freedom of speech is being violated, when this is, after all, a privately owned website. The Pantagraph is well within their rights to "censor" anything they want, but I've seen little evidence that they actually DO! "

Life is Good wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:27 AM:

" This is a good thing I believe...my own opinion. Mad Ranter.....you mean you are finally done?....going away? Oh come on now....I don't believe you have the conviction to do that....we'll see. Still bringing up the "smoking nazi" diatrobe....wow. "

Opinion wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:26 AM:

" It seems we all have an opinion. I don't like to give out my e-mail address. I don't think I have ever said anything mean in a Blog, but it is amazing how hateful people can get if they don't agree and are anonymous. I was appalled when I started reading these, but one thing it did. I seldom write a letter to the Editor anymore. The Bloggers tar you and feather you. You don't hear people saying those things to their friends or co-workers. I was also surprised at the poor grammer and spelling contained in the Blogs. Either they are in a hurry or uneducated. "

longtimegone wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:25 AM:

" 451 f. was a good forcast of the future,Like Orwell,s 1984. Were they written about blooming abnormal? "

TO SMAPDI wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:17 AM:

" Love it! "for naught but snark"! Made me laugh out louod and now I am in trouble (at work)! "

Dan wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:05 AM:

" No doubt spear headed by the same busy body group who push through the smoking ban without listen to others. If you don't agree with me shut up...is the only message they agree with. "

Name wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:02 AM:

" If I wanted my name in the paper everytime I posted a commnet I would right a letter to editor. I don't need losers from here sending me email or showing up at my door. "

Shame wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:59 AM:

" it is a shame, there will be only agreement and patting each other on back here now. Watch for those accidental leaks. "

Just A Guy wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:57 AM:

" Next stop: complete shut down of the comment section. Not that it would be a bad thing. "

Smapdi wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:56 AM:

" 1.) Welcome to the 21st century Pantagraph! 2.) Kudos Pantagraph AND the folks commenting - that such a blatantly ill-conceived and dangerous system could survive so long without having to be summarily shut down is a testament to The Pantagraph's grit/tolerance/moderation and the commenters' restraint. Which is to say... 3.) If you think the stuff you've seen written here is bad, you have no clue... sincerely. 4.) If you think all the "trash talk" will summarily disappear with this change, think again. Everybody's still anonymous - but at least they won't be able to impersonate someone else. 5.) It'll be as easy as ever, however, to create alter-ego "characters" that can then be used for naught but snark. 6.) The Pantagraph will now have even more and more nuanced moderation tasks to deal with - let the cries of "Ban so-and-so!" begin, for instance. "

dwarf wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:51 AM:

" I'm still unclear - just when, exactly, has the Pantagraph ever censored views they don't agree with? I know they sometimes don't post inflammatory or rude comments, and for some reason any post with a link is blocked, but looking at ... oh, every controversial article or letter to the editor ... I see people with different views all over the place.

If you're too cowardly to attach even a fake name to your posts, or hate the thought of expressing your opinions without anonymity, then don't. I have a feeling the website will go on without you. "

Dan wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:48 AM:

" Oh yeah, oopps! we had a leak of your email address sorry! maybe you should not have said what you did? "

Grow Up wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:48 AM:

" A more grown up approach from everyone would be nice but this is the outcome of a community that's been devided. "

Ekim wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:47 AM:

" In other words; Censorship at it's finest. Don't say anything bad about the Paper, State Farm, the City, the Mayor, Unit 5 or anyone else who might be upset. don't dis agree with a stance of this paper, or what they tell you to think. This level of censorship is so sad. There is no free speech in Bloomington Normal. "

Goodbye wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:46 AM:

" Big Mistake - this is the last post I will submit. It was more interesting/entertaining when the posts were anonymous and free of accountability. "

I BET wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:45 AM:

" what you'll see is the same 9 or 10 people who all agree with each other commenting on all of the stories. It'll be like church chat... all prim and proper and goody goody... condemning "bad" people and praising the Lord for all the things the "good" people have done and calling for prayers from the other 8 people for people who have had a hard time (house burning down, etc.). It'll be VERY dull. "

Meg wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:32 AM:

" Kudos to the Pantagraph. If people can't convey their thoughts in a polite manner, you have no duty to let them do it on your site. "

The comments make me cry wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:30 AM:

" How come no one agrees with me? I'm right, you're all wrong. I'll make them fix it so everyone agrees. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. "

Waffle of Justice wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:28 AM:

" To Waffle of Justice wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:58 AM: No, they do have better things to do, but when you start up a flame war and you have an email address that might belong to a large insurance company that the Pantagraph has special interests in the information can be used against you, it is and it has this is just a more convenient way of doing so. In a world of presumed annonimity your information is readily available to those who know to access it. "

dwarf wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:18 AM:

" Wow, I can't believe all the griping & moaning!

Almost every website in existence that allows posting comments also requires registration. It doesn't inhibit the free flow of ideas, nor does it somehow make posters "vulnerable." It cuts down on drive-by trolling and adds a sense of accountability. You're still anonymous - nobody knows you by your actual name unless you post it - but you're all of a sudden responsible for the things you post.

It doesn't inhibit free speech - but it means you should probably think before posting libel or threats. It also prevents one person from posing as several people, either to make a fake debate or to try and crush people who disagree with them.

If you're not proud enough of your thoughts and ideas to express them, don't. There may be fewer posts, but I'm confident there will be *better* posts. "

T wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:17 AM:

" Pantagraph really does not unterstand the way you can get around this do they "

Indian Joe wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:16 AM:

" This is my joke book. I live in Georgia, but log on to the Pantagraph to read
Bill Flick and these posts. You never know if the people posting is as dumb as their post or if they are bein funny. Oh well, all good things have to end. "

Oppression wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Pantagraph is now engaging in oppression of freedom of speech, much like the IHSA. "

To: whoami wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:13 AM:

" You forget where you are. This area is not about privately ran enterprises having any freedom (IE smoking ban). In this area, the 'public' feels entitled to the point that everyone else should be forced to be status quo. Just like here, where people could turn off comments, they instead want it regulated to a point they can interject their opinions while having differing opinions screened out. This area wants to create an illusionary world where everyone thinks like them, acts like them, and they can recreate reality in any way they see fit without others interjecting the truth into it. "

to "420" wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:08 AM:

" This change is your fault. Your ignorant comments and threats to ISU and our community regarding the recent ISU threat. You're just plain ignorant. "

Thank you! wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:01 AM:

" Maybe this will help cut down on some of the idiotic and sometimes heartless comments that show up here.
For those of you who think this is infringement of privacy or some kind of "big brother"...you are probably the ones who made this happen in the first place. "

DT to whoami wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:59 AM:

" I don't see this as a restriction on your right to say whatever you want. The Pantagraph, however, is a commercial enterprise that is not required to provide you a forum to make your statements. That is your responsibility in utilizing your right. "

To Waffle of Justice wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:58 AM:

" So the Pantagraph has nothing better to do then call employers? I think not. "

Again, The Mad Ranter wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:58 AM:

" It's been real, it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun! To the people that are saying that they should have just turned off the comments... Did you know that there is an option to "HIDE COMMENTS ON ALL STORIES" so you would not have to read them? Again, here is another perfect example of people that feel everyone should be exactly like them. When they read something they don't like, they go crying to the pantagraph to change their business model. Its a shame really. Also, I am not sure if the people talking about your IP are getting their "facts" from the same place as the Smoking Nazi's about SHS.... But you might want to read up that! and just like the non-smoking bars, I am outa here and I am not coming back. CYA!!! "

well wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:57 AM:

" This will end my comments. I don't trash things but I speak my mind. As much as the Pantagraph seems to back Tom Hamilton I am not going to give them a way to track me and give him information. I also work for a large corporation here that I generally support but will express when I don't. The Pantagraph seems to be in their back pocket also. "

whoami wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:45 AM:

" Privately owned enterprises can do what they want with their site and space. However, FREEDOM gives the speakers the ability to say what they want, good or bad. And FREEDOM allows the listeners to tune in or tune out. Don't know if this "registration" is any sort of restriction on FREEDOM, but I will probably be commenting less. don't think I've ever called anyone names, I've always spoken abt FREEDOM & Liberty. "

To: DT wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:34 AM:

" Nope. Won't stop me. "

W wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:31 AM:

" I'm paranoid, and I look at Pantagraph at work - guess I won't be posting comments any more. "

Chuck D wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:29 AM:

" Registration is really going to stop people from making bad comments, because it's too hard to create a new email account each time one is banned (even though the likes of Yahoo, Hotmail, and Google all hand out free email addresses daily). And it's also pretty hard to think of a valid date of birth. I don't see how this will help much. You will still be able to be as anonymous as you are now. "

longtimegone wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:26 AM:

" just like the springfield rag block anything you don,t like. "

Good wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:15 AM:

" It's about time. They should still just totally get rid of these darn comments! "

Rose wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:14 AM:

" Thank you, I think it is wonderful and hopefully will limit rude and mean comments "

To: 420 wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:13 AM:

" Obviously you have no life if you would go to that lengths just to continue to post your thoughts on a newspaper's online website. You really need to get a hobby, and not doing the same things on another paper's website. FYI. You can still post your comments and thoughts on the stories. Read the article. You just can't post insensitive, racial, abusive, etc. things any longer. Not saying you did before but plenty of others did. "

justifiably_opinionated wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:06 AM:

" As a follower of Christ, I do not fear stating the truth at any time. I only envision problems a few years from now when it will be considered a hate crime to possess anything but a liberal world view (it's almost that way already). Any who doubt need only watch our freedoms slowly being stripped away. It will affect everyone, of all views. Beware, and take the nation back from the hands of the government while you still can. "

Thanks P-graph!! wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:54 AM:

" Hopefully won't be so many posts starting with "To:..."
"

It'll just become an even bigger one-sided love-fest wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:51 AM:

" for secular progressives than it already is. "

Esteban Colberto wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:43 AM:

" why would someone pretend they are someone else? "

To:420 wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:41 AM:

" Yeah, you talk big, but that's all it is. TALK. I don't believe a word of it. "

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