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The Cat wrote on Apr 25, 2008 9:58 AM:

" Cats: You need to get a new brand of catnip since your one brain cell is still stuck on “9xx Bush Lies” fiction. I know the concept of terms limits if beyond your grasp, but Bush will be gone in January. That concept is also foreign to your “heroes”, Bubba and the Peanuthead. If they continue to dabble in foreign policy and domestic affairs they are fair game for comment and criticism. Although you like to change subjects to avoid defending your “points” by referencing extraneous issues like departed congressional and administration people you feel “tainted”, you are selective in your “outrages”. You failed to mention in your list “Icebox” Jefferson, Ted “Vehicular Homicide” Kennedy, “Sandypants” Burglar, “Leakysecrets” Leahy, and other assorted “progressives” many of which are still active in congress or campaigns like Shrillarie’s. You may want to “debate” Bush failures (most leftwing fantasies), but the real issue is the qualifications and character of his potential replacements and the continued meddling of incompetent ex-presidents. "

i said that wrote on Apr 24, 2008 3:06 PM:

" Hey there, Mister DK61727, I agree with your philosophy of extricating the Federal Government from Social Programs such as Education, Medicare and let us not forget the greatest, money sucking social program of them all, the Military. Let's axe that program, talk about a money pit. And your esteemed Mr. Reagan will be remembered for his illegal sale of arms to Iran, an avowed enemy of the U.S. to fight an illegal war in Central America. Just ask GWBush's U.S. Deputy Secretary of State, John Dimitri Negroponte, how illegal that war was. Dimitri, hmmm (scratching my head)! Nope, in the anals of America, Bush II and Reagan will look every bit like the evil they were. "

i said that wrote on Apr 24, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Hey Buckeye, Lincoln was great president. Reagan, on the other hand, was TRAITOROUS! He sold arms to Iran, even then, an avowed enemy of the U.S. Not only that, he used the ILLEGAL SALE of arms to IRAN to fund an even more ILLEGAL war in Central America. Reagan was not only a bad president, he was a bad man. And, if you call what is happening inthe middle east "peace" I have a house you can buy with a sub-prime mortgage. Bush took advantage of an American catastrophe, invaded a soveign nation in the thick of "Oil Country" which has contibuted to a barrel of crude oil raising almost $ 100.00 a barrell in less than seven years. WOW! I wish I had owned stock in Exxon. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 24, 2008 12:26 PM:

" To The Cat...Clinton again? Why can't you just debate the failings of our Liar In Chief (935 on just the subject of the war...a study that has not been statistically refuted) instead of returning to your Clinton obsession? BTW you support the party of Craig, Livingston, Hyde, Gingrich, Delay, Abramhoff, Libby, Rove, the congressional page scandal, the representatives from California (bribery) and Colorado, and so many others that I have forgotten, and you dare cite the Democrats for moral failures. Hypocrite. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 24, 2008 12:20 PM:

" To DK...Bush is a liberal? You have hit a new high in lunacy. Bush's tax cuts have helped? The country careens off a cliff economically with a HUGH deficit and no end in sight yet you say the tax cuts were good things! LOL. No one, on either side of the aisle or the public wants Social Security privatized...can't you read? Top 10 of all time...dream on. He will go down with Herbert Hoover as one of the 5 worst ever. You and the 29% of the people who agree with you must be frustrated by the notion that you know our Liar In Chief is a great president but 72% of the people disagree with you. Why are you so much smarter than the majority (of both parties)? "

The Cat wrote on Apr 24, 2008 12:13 PM:

" LOL: You missed the point again. Bush1 has kept a low profile since leaving office and Bush2 (the left’s dark angel) is leaving office in January, but Carter is still sticking his incompetent nose in foreign affairs to the determent of US interests (28 years after being kicked out of office) and Bubba is making big bucks off his “contacts” while allowing his wife to take political stands sometimes contrary to his “clients” interests. He has never been loath to sell out US interests if he can make money or political points for doing so. Add to Bubba’s post presidential activities, the run (looking better since Pa) of the Bosnia Vet for the Donkey party’ presidential nomination so the Clinton Crime Family can return to the White House for more funny money deals (personal and campaign funds), dirty tricks against political opponents, lax national security procedures, political payoffs to cronies, and strange pardon decisions. Couple those with her tendency to impose big government “solutions” to non-problems and micro mismanagement of the country for another disaster of an administration. "

DK61727 wrote on Apr 24, 2008 11:07 AM:

" LOL Liberal, GWB's only drawback is he is too Liberal.........I said that long before he was elected to the job in 2000.......for example, what was that increased Medicare, Part D all about? Sounds like something Johnson yearned for, but even the Liberal Congress of 1965 thought it was too......patooey, Progressive. Also, GWB should have taken the opportunity that presented itself and removed the federal government entirely from the education system of America. Also, he should have at least seriously attempted to reorganize Social Security into an actuarially sound model, including partitioning part of it into a private savings/investment plan, just like the president, Congress and federal employees enjoy. The good news: The Bush tax cut effected dramatically increased government revenues. Interest rates were and are lower than the '70s, '80s and '90s averaged. Unemployment is/was as low as ever on average. The GDP got back on track with strong productivity numbers. Internal and external security increased geometrically. In spite of all your mumbling, flinching and drooling all over yourself, history will remember GWB as one of the top 10 presidents of all time. "

LOL Liberal (:-D) wrote on Apr 23, 2008 11:22 PM:

" Okay Cat, for the sake of argument, I will grant you that Carter and Clinton were not perfect - well okay, again, for the sake of argument - far from perfect. same goes for Reagan and Bush I. But you know what, their presidencies are over with and there is one thing we can say with absolute certainty to their benefit that is very far from certain - no, make that extremely far from certain - with regards to our current mental midget of a juvenile delinquent moron president - and that is that we survived them! "

The Cat wrote on Apr 23, 2008 9:38 PM:

" LOL: You need to refill your Clinton/Obummer/Carter/et al kool aide glass and drink a deep swig of “progressive” delusions. Since you seemed to have missed the failures of Carter, mismanagement of terror attacks by Clinton, and the general sleaze and incompetence of the Clintons and the Donkey’s in congress, perhaps you may be paying attention to the total mess both the Donkey party and its candidates are making of the current primary process. From the mudslinging through the candidates “misstatements” to the delegate mess with proportional representation and the Michigan and Florida primary messes, these clowns can’t run a political party (their responsibility) let alone a country. And you have the gall to call Bush incompetent? "

LOL Liberal (:-D) wrote on Apr 23, 2008 4:45 PM:

" Cat, if you remain in complete denial, we cannot help you. I urge you to go to a battered wives shelter - or any refuge - and seek the help you so desperately need. "

Bhtatm wrote on Apr 23, 2008 2:51 PM:

" ThosSpence...did I say only 2 choices for an economy, NO. I stated my preference, not there are ONLY 2 choices. Read again! I support capitalism and free market. I'm conservative...in my finances and in my beliefs. I've been able to capitalize on the ups/downs of the market. These ups/downs happen thru-out history...any literate person can research that. I was a "C" student in school, I am of average intelligence. What I have accomplished...anyone can...I have no major advantages over anyone else...I choose to drive an old car, have the cheapest cable package, buy on sale, etc. So...I live for today, plan for tomorrow. I do not blame the mortgage crisis on the gov't nor do I credit my financial stregnth on the gov't. I tend to lean republican, b/c I agree with small central federal and strong local gov'ts...I value personal responsbility over gov't intervention. You doubt my reason or ability to think...I don't care, I will be more successful tomorrow than today despite your opion...I'm an "average joe" with no complaints or regrets. If I can find and live the American Dream...anyone can! "

soothsayer wrote on Apr 23, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Which isn't to say that the current administration didn't royally screw things up with poor Iraq war planning and post-war peace plans. They have. Really bad. But mitgating against that is the fact that the U.S. has received very little help from our so-called "allies" who said they agreed with us regarding the need to invade Iraq(34 nations said this, if I'm not mistaken). But then when the time came to actually support us in real time with real people, they pretty much backed out. Nice friends. "

The Cat wrote on Apr 23, 2008 12:16 PM:

" LOL: Although Clinton is obsessed with sex; I am not obsessed with his truly “private afairs”. However, when he is having “fun” (one sided at that) in the Oval Office while he is supposed to be doing the people’s business (mine and yours) or trying to pick up Arkansas state employees when he is the governor of the state (and lying about both activities), then the “affairs” are not “private”. In addition, as a supposed big “feminist” supporter “role model” he is expected to provide an example not engage in sexual harassment. Being the phony that he is in all matters these actions are just another indication of his total lack of any principles or self-control. This is evident in his consistent lying and questionable activities (pardons, foreign money sources, etc). Since his wife (and frequent enabler and partner in crime) is running for President, his history and current conduct are pertinent. While she is denouncing the Dubai port deal or the Colombia trade agreement, he is taking millions to push the interests of both countries; sleaze plain and simple. "

soothsayer wrote on Apr 23, 2008 11:50 AM:

soothsayer wrote on Apr 23, 2008 11:40 AM:

soothsayer wrote on Apr 23, 2008 11:37 AM:

" I find it interesting that Bush-haters always blame all of the negatives of war on Bush as an individual as though he and only he is responsible for the war. Remember that Congresss voted for it, too, including Hillary, Kerry, and many other Dems. Remember, too, that nearly all intelligence services around the world indicated that Saddam had WMDs, so it wasn't just Bush "manipulating" U.S. intelligence. Also, the UN Security Council voted 15-0 on UN Resolution 1441, which said that Saddam had violated Gulf War accords. Resolution 1441 was the 18th such UN resolution on this same issue. It was drafted under Chapter 7 of the UN charter, which automatically authorizes the use of force. So the "Bush's illegal war" accusation is out the window, too. "

Independent? wrote on Apr 22, 2008 11:01 AM:

" Fortunate 1... You do realize that if Bush had decided to continue fighting the terrorists where they were (in Afghanistan) instead of reallocating most of the troops to Iraq (where there were no terrorists until we invaded) his approval rating would have been much higher... So his reasoning for taking us into a war was flawed (no terrorists, no link to 9/11 or Osama which I think gives people justification for criticism)... Then after he made the flawed decision to go to war, his planning was terrible (ask your boy McCain about that). So we went into a war we never should have with a terrible plan, and now are not taking care of the troops we did send over there properly... I guess that's why people criticize him... "

LOL Liberal (:-D) wrote on Apr 22, 2008 8:08 AM:

" So, let’s analyze The Cat’s obsession with Bill Clinton’s sex life. It clearly is an obsession, or references to it would not creep into just about every lengthy post she writes. And its not as if she is focusing on the legal aspects of his statements. No, The Cat likes to zero in on the tawdry details, like stains on dresses and cigars in nasty places they don’t belong, and other tantalizing tidbits. It’s almost as if something is missing in her life that she is denying herself, and she doesn’t even realize the destructive void it is creating. Heck, she is more concerned with Bill’s escapades than Hillary is, and that infidelity is the only moral qualm possibly involved here. You don’t suppose she is concerned for Hillary’s sake, do you? Nah! My dear Cat, if Hillary can deal with it, I’m confident you can dig deep down into the recesses of your complicated emotions and move beyond it as well. We will all be here to help you in your journey to better mental health. "

ThosSpence wrote on Apr 21, 2008 11:26 PM:

" Concerning "Bhtatm": One can only hold one's head in unsimulated pain. According to this character we can either have the bizarre casino economy of the present day, with trillions gambled on "bets" in international financial markets (often through financial devices that no one understands, even those who invented them!) or the command economy of the Soviet Union. Those, according to this risible "analysis," are our choices, there is nothing in between. The breathtaking ignorance of such a view, indeed, by one who works in "banking," raises deeply depressing issues of the ability of the demos to even think, let alone reason. "

LOL Liberal (:-D) wrote on Apr 21, 2008 7:51 PM:

" fortunate1 asks; "George Bush is getting all this flack... Why?" Actually, Lil George is the fortunate one that all he is getting is "all this flack". He should be getting jail time! "

Bhtatm wrote on Apr 21, 2008 6:30 PM:

" FYI.. ...FOX News has 3 liberals, 3 conservative, 1 independent, and 1 libiterian on from 6pm-10pm. That is balanced...FOX News is not a right wing channel. It is the ONLY channel that offers a one to one equal debate. Please name 3 conservatives on any other channel during prime-time hours! Leave Fox out of it...be informed before making these comments. It makes you look ignorant and immature.

To someone else earlier...I am WAY better off now than 8 years ago! I got a lower interest rate now than when Clinton was in office. I also loaded up on Mutual Fund and stocks...my finances look great! It was not Bush that made it happen, it was me...I CALL THAT PERSONAL REPSONSIBILITY!

No President has that much power to make or break my life. No president is perfect...they are human. They make decisions for the US that they think it best...there is no perfect formula for running a country, raising a child, etc...not everything works the same way for every person, every year, with same results. We can highlight every economic failure and success for every president...

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Bhtatm wrote on Apr 21, 2008 6:02 PM:

" FYI, Bush does not run the banking industry. As consumers, you have to know how to manage your credit and not buy a house to much for what you can afford. I personally do NOT want our gov't being that hands on with any business. That defeats capitalism. Long live the free market and competition. There is a huge lack of common sense if anyone tries to blame the banking industry on Bush. I work in the banking industry...we are already governed enough. The lenders made bad decisions on bad customers, that is NOT Bush's fault...figure it out already. Anyone wanting that much gov't intervention should research socialism...former Soviet Union cracked because socialism does not work. I hope there is a major recession and foreclosure market. I am smart with my money, I'll buy these cheap houses and rent them to people who can't manage their credit. The credit woes are affecting more people making $50k and up then those making below poverty...mortgage issues are affecting bad consumers, it's not biased on income! TODAY'S LESSON...the president does NOT determine who is a fit customer for lenders! "

fortunate1 wrote on Apr 21, 2008 10:11 AM:

" George Bush is getting all this flack for sticking up for our country. Why?? I think it should be Bill Clinton. He could have stopped these terrorist long before 9/11. Now Bush is defending our country and so many people bash him for it. Any President would have been crazy if they wouldn't have done what Bush is doing. I stand behind him all the way. Don't forget to vote for McCain!!!!! "

94mustang5 wrote on Apr 21, 2008 9:51 AM:

" Every President was greedy? Harry Truman retired almost broke. Jimmy Carter did not have large amounts of cash to fall back on.
Interestingly, it could be said that these were two of our most ineffective presidents. Like it or not Money runs the world. If you do not understand wealth, it will roll over you.
Lets hope George Bush pardons soldiers convicted of Abu Grave "war crimes" instead of felony financial supporters aka Clinton. "

LOL Liberal (:-D) wrote on Apr 21, 2008 6:31 AM:

" A lot of conjecture by The Cat but she offers no hard facts. Fact is, we don't know that 911 would have even occurred under a competent president. Fact is, we don't know that the surplus-destined course that Clinton had us pointed in would not have materialized under an intelligent president. Fact is, The Cat is in an insignificant minority that have such a dysfunctional hang-up over sex they prefer death, destruction and chaos to a successful, functional chief executive that occasionally gets his rocks off. Fact is, we simply cannot do any worse than the current mental midget of a juvenile delinquent moron combined with the six years of a sleaze congress that looked at the American people as suckers to be had. Fact is, 75% of America prefers excellence while 25% love a train wreck. Fact is, I am happy to be a well adjusted enough person to be in that 75% majority. Fact is, The Cat can't get past her obsession with sex and will always be doomed to embrace malfunction. "

The Cat wrote on Apr 20, 2008 10:19 PM:

" LOL: As to your dear Bubba, he never had a balanced budget and was not likely to have one, despite rosy projections from his canned Budget Office. If he could have stayed in office, the tech bubble bust recession not to mention 9/11 would have blown those projections to pieces without high oil costs and more spending. If balanced budgets are your “thing” rest assured that the two lightweight Donkey presidential candidates and an ultra leftwing “progressive” congress will not give it to you. All the new government promised Christmas presents, new regulations and mandates, coupled with all the promised tax increases will make past deficits look like austere financial management and the resulting economic collapse make the current economic climate look like the roaring 20s. Clinton left a legacy of sleaze, self-induced national security crisis, and pending economic problems on his much welcomed departure from office. With luck his incompetent wife (the Bosnian Vet) will be gone from the presidential race shortly thus ending the threat of the Clinton Gang again infesting the White House. "

The Cat wrote on Apr 20, 2008 9:53 PM:

" To the (factually challenged as usual) Cats: On MRS comments: Clinton WAS CIC (sort of), Gored and Kerry auditioned for the role but were scrubbed, and the Bosnian War Vet is now trying out with mixed reviews. On your fallback “932 lies (or is it now 923)" "argument”, although you reject the obvious that it is Donkey party talking points from discredited leftwing sources, notice how it died in the main-scream press when the “study” was vetted. The fact that the CIA Director (appointed by Bubba) said, “it was a slam dunk” based on his “experts” (Plame’s bunch), the Donkey party bigwigs agreeing (as pointed out to you repeatedly), and Saddam’s admission that he lied but was ready to restart the programs once the heat was off puts a lie to your rants. Recently translated Iraqi documents from Saddam’s regime indicate that his administration had more than passing contacts with AQ and other terror groups. Clinton IS an issue because his incompetence led to 9/11 and the Clinton Gang is trying to get back the White House. "

jj2 wrote on Apr 20, 2008 1:59 PM:

" Tell me something I didn't all ready know. Every think about that Bush is an oil man and that has something to do with the price you are paying at the pump?
TG that his rein is almost over.
And Bush's attitude about business is equal to most politicians and why the heath industy is bribing it's way into having the say over your health care and health bans.
Americans have a long way to go to get back to being the land of opportunity and freedom. "

MRS. wrote on Apr 20, 2008 1:06 AM:

" RE:The Cats : Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Bush is right I am saying I am getting tired of those that demonize the man simply because he claims to be republican. Same for those that demonize Clinton because he is a democrat. On another story there was a poster going on about how terrible Bush is and how he doesn't deserve to breath. They go on to say Bush and his kind only want war and why can't he be like democrat Presidents. Well, either this person is very young, very ignorant or very forgetful. They must have forgot about V.N. and Kennedy. BTW, I was very relieved when Nixon lost. I will say I am very proud of my President after 9/11. I agree we should have kept our priority in Afghanistan. I come from a military family that still believes it is a duty and honor to serve our country. My 18 yr. Old niece leaves for S.C. in June for basic. She committed 6 yrs to the Army. Another 18 yr old niece is in the army N.G. "

LOL Liberal (:-D) wrote on Apr 19, 2008 3:07 PM:

" I suppose The Cat is right, Clinton will be remembered as a DNA stain on a blue dress. But he will also be remembered for other good times as well, like a robust peace-time economy and the huge Reagan/Bush defiits that he turned into budget surpluses. It seems the 75% of Americans that do not suffer obsessions with sex appreciate a good president and great results. Then there is The Cat and the other 25%ers, who think our current mental midget of a juvenile delinquent moron is the best ever. She and they deserve him, and the mess he has made of, well, everything!

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The Cats wrote on Apr 19, 2008 11:36 AM:

" To MRS...the difference is that none of them was Commander in Chief. He (or she eventually) alone have the decision to send troops to war. He has the authority to get confidential intelligence and spin it out to the public as he decides in his attempt (sadly successful) to persuade the Senate to vote for authorization. Our Liar In Chief was successful in fooling everyone until the results of his adventure proved him (and his advisors) to be wrong. When someone stands up (or sends others to stand up) and states as fact something that is only speculative then he or she is lying/spinning to sway opinion. Bush is a liar and 72% (approval rating) of our people agree. You don't...democracy is a wonderful thing. As of today 59% of the people think that the war is going the wrong way (in spite of the recent dog and pony show in Washington). 63% think we should get out. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 19, 2008 11:29 AM:

" To The Cat 8:23 post...you repeat what I say without adding anything new. What exactly was the point of that waste of space? 923 lies...it doesn't matter who did the study it is true that he (and his lackeys) said them. There were no WMD's, AQ was not in Iraq before the war, and those were his main reasons for the war. "The lies included truth...who knows what you mean by that. I have stated repeatedly that 932 is boy George and his henchmen and that was made clear in the study. Your post seems to suggest that because you smear the authors somehow the study is also flawed. Nice try (as it is all the regressives have) but clearly, there has been no study conducted by anyone stating that he did not lie so your words, as always are factually incorrect. BTW you call me partisan...LOL. Look in a mirror 28%er. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 19, 2008 11:20 AM:

" to catsmehouch...you name says it all...nothing original just a copy from other posters with a slightly deranged twist. Your 1:23pm post sums up your mind perfectly...completely confused and unable to convey a rational thought yet somehow you think your words will sway opinion. LOL. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 19, 2008 11:17 AM:

" To The Cat...according to all the polls and historians Clinton is already being remembered as a President who brought a us balanced budget (after staring down Newt and the radicals), economic prosperity, and peace. Again I ask you what is it you know that the 78% of Americans who have a favorable opinion of him (versus 28% for your hero, boy George) do not? BTW when will you stop making every discussion about our Liar In Chief a discussion of Clinton? Your "spin" is getting very tired. "

CatsMehOuch wrote on Apr 18, 2008 1:55 PM:

" Curious, are these statements included in the 935 lies?

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

“Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

“...It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002. "

catsmehouch wrote on Apr 18, 2008 1:23 PM:

" My favorite saying is boy George. Or is it Liar in Chief. Ahh. Or is it 935 lies. 19% club, ahh! If I add 935 + 19 that equals 954. Ahh! 954 - 288 equals 666. I did it, i proved W is the devil. Ahh! Time for a Howard Dean yell. Long-live Marxism. How dare anyone make more money than me. Ahh! How dare companies make a profit. Taxe$ should be 95% of income so the government can then take care of me. Me, me, me. Ahh! Time for a Howard Dean yell. "

The Cat wrote on Apr 18, 2008 12:39 PM:

" Shadow and lizzie: Clinton will be remembered as a DNA stain on a blue dress. "

wewest wrote on Apr 18, 2008 10:02 AM:

" Do some of you people really think Bush has something to do with everything that go's wrong?Get a grip.It is not his fault that you sign papers for a credit card or a new house when you can not afford it.He is the President not a wizard. "

DK61727 wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:57 AM:

" Yes, "Truth Needed", I've heard of and appreciate sarcasm. You were just too good at what you do. Sometimes, someone with a real dry wit can fool even me. Especially when that someone, as in your case, has no prior posts in a thread to disclose his true political proclivities. "

DK61727 wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:46 AM:

" "aha", I give up; you've convinced me. Your evidence is simply and awesomely overwhelming. Bush will not be my candidate for president this election. "

TRUTH NEEDED wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Hey DK ever heard of sarcasm "

aha wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Where to begin... President Bush was a Vietnam draft dodger (how soon people forget or ignore this), who sent others to war, set up secret torture, put industry sycophants (look it up) into key government positions. These folks, in turn, looked the other way while airlines didn't inspect their planes, trailers with formaldehyde sickened folks pushed out of their homes by a natural disaster (Katrina), companies dumped pollutants into the air and waterways, drugs that killed people were rushed to market, imported toys weren't inspected and poisoned children, etc. The Iraq war was supposed to bring cheap gas. Anyone purchased gas recently? President Bush's incompetencies will affect us all for years to come, no matter who becomes the next President. "

DK61727 wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:00 AM:

" "truth needed", France was the fourth country to test an independently developed nuclear weapon in 1960, is one of the five "Nuclear Weapons States" under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Yes, truth is needed and a little knowledge and intelligence would help if you "progressives" want to establish any credibility. "

lizzie wrote on Apr 18, 2008 8:30 AM:

" Shadow - That is not only hilarious but very accurate!!! "

Shadow wrote on Apr 18, 2008 8:01 AM:

" Bush is a skid mark on the underpants of American history. "

truth needed wrote on Apr 18, 2008 7:30 AM:

" Bush what a joke of a president .. Hey I heard the French might have the parts to make a nuclear bomb .. Do ya think good old George is gonna bomb them also hahahaha By the way Mikey for president "

thumbilina wrote on Apr 18, 2008 7:28 AM:

" I just want to say...everyone is complaing about the presidant...who made him presidant????? He did just get the job, we picked him. So blame urselves for all the bs that is going on. Noone ever wants to take the fault of anything. "

illini-dog wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:37 PM:

" CAT it's obvious that if you don't believe everything bush says then your either a liberal or ''progressive'' or whatever term is the flavor of the week . Hopefully someday you will see both parties are corrupt and they are getting worse and the state of illinois is going socialist already. "

The Cat wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:23 PM:

" To “The Cats”: The economy was going downhill when Bubba left office as the tech bubble burst (I know because I was working for IBM on the Lucent Technologies account at the time). Where did I say “illegal war”? Of course if you’re interested in illegal wars try Bubba’s Balkan Excellent Adventure. I was correcting illini-dog pointing out that it was a COMMUTATION of the prison part of the sentence not PARDON not an admission of anything in regards to Libby. The “outing” was bogus as was Wilson’s mission and Valarie’s “value” to the CIA. Your constant repetition of the Dummycrat talking points of “Bush lies”, “Plame Outing”, etc, indicate your partisan position. Your “932 lies study” has no factual basis as has been pointed out and your sources are discredited leftwing groups worse than your dreaded Fox News, etc. Apparently “lies” are only lies if a Republican makes the statement; if a Dem makes the same statement it is what, the truth, to be ignored, just funning us? PS: What is it, 19% or 28% or % of the moment? "

The Cat wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:08 PM:

" "illni-dog": Well if your a "libertarian/independant" that must be another name for "progressive" since all your comments have been that same talking points as other "progressive" posters. The Cats, LOL, ES, et al have been making the same "points" you make and they at least admit to leaning left. "

illini-dog wrote on Apr 17, 2008 4:16 PM:

" To GOM; yes they are all taking care of themselves. LBJ was dirt poor when he went into politics and came out one of the richest men on earth and every other one after him did the same. "

illini-dog wrote on Apr 17, 2008 4:11 PM:

" Well santa i would show you my voting records if i could but someone like you wouldn't believe it unless rush said it was true.I'm a libertarian/independant. Where do you get this nonsense wilson said in his debriefing that iraq was attempting to get yellowcake ??Or do you assume this like you assume i'm a liberal which is wrong too. Your pretty entertaining but these fish tales go overboard when you rewrite history.To mrs; yes we know saddam had chemical weapons because we are the ones that sold them to him,heck Rumsfeld had his picture taken with saddam the same day. "

MRS. wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:49 PM:

" Snopes:Bill Clinton,m.Albright,sens.Leven,Dashale,Kerry in 1998 ALL said they believed Saddam had WMDs. Again in 1999 Abright said the same.in 2001 Sen. Bon Graham said it. In 2002 Al Gore,Ted Kennedy,Jay RockerfellerAND HILLARY CLINTON said it. Again in 2003 Kerry said it. Many people believed He had WMDs because he did. What did he kill his own people with Slingshots? "

Gov't oppressed Mule wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:24 PM:

" Bush took care of his kind, his interests first. And Clinton didn't? Nor did Bush sr, Regan, Carter, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, etc....? Every president we've had has been more concerned with lining their own pockets over helping out the American people. "

DK61727 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:07 AM:

" "Your honor, the prosecution does not have any evidence against Mr. Libby, so the prosecution calls it's one and only witness...........the DEFENDANT!! In addition, your honor, the prosecution desires to withdraw its indictment of Mr. Libby for outing Valerie Plame, and, instead, charge him with making seemingly contradictory statements in the testimony that he is about to give. I think the prosecution can be successful if we can just question Mr. Libby long and hard enough. All righty, your honor? Thank you, your honor, for cooperating. It is essential to the people to finally get something on the Bush administration, albeit a third-class advisor to the Vice President. "

The Cat wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:40 AM:

" “illni-dog”: If you are a conservative for 40 years then I am Santa Claus. None of your posts reflect the slightest conservative thought any more than they reflect correct facts. For example, Wilson admitted in his debrief to the CIA that Iraq WAS attempting to get yellowcake from Niger without success. If this is the issue that you are worried about, a little twit that had to retire from the CIA because she got her hand caught in the political cookie jar, rather than who in congress, the CIA, etc leaked real secrets to the media setting back intelligence gathering and counter terror actions like attacking funding sources. What should make real conservatives sick is listening to the “debate” between these two ultra-leftists, elitist, lying lightweights running for the J.....s (slang for donkey) party’s presidential nomination. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:17 AM:

" To The Cat...I wonder, with your "factual" defense of Scooter why he didn't hire you as his attorney. Clearly you would have defended him so well that he would not have pead guilty to a crime. LOL at you. BTW you seem to think because she gave wrong information (a highly dubious claim and, again, you offer no facts to support it) it was OK to out her to reporters. That sounds vaguely like your prior Reagan rant and, if you really believe it, why aren't the names of EVERY covert operator in the middle east now public since, according to you, it was their incorrect information that cause our Liar In Chief to earn his name? LOL. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:12 AM:

" To The Cat...you say I used the words "illegal war". Where would that post be? Scooter plead guilty toa crime and our Liar In Chief commuted his sentence. Sounds like both of then thought he broke the law in spite of what you and Rush think. BTW could you occasionally write without the personal insults. While all the readers here know of your worship of boy George (you and the 28% of adult (maybe that is the issue...how old are you anyway?) who believe in this administration) you continue to just berate those (72%) who oppose your point of view. You really need to get more balance in your education...Rush and FIX are not the only sources of information today and certainly there are other styles of reporting as well. Radical conservatives seem to preach hatred and that is certainly evidenced in your posts. You never did refute the stupid comment you made about Reagan...why not? "

The Cats wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:05 AM:

" To The Cat...at least you tried to refute 935 lies though you totally failed. Again you go back to "was mislead" etc in defending our Liar In Chief. You provide nothing factual to put to rest the big lies which was they had WMD's. You attack Clinton for not believing the lies when he was President and for not attacking then. The difference between Clinton and Bush on this (and almost every other subject..."it's the economy, stupid") is that Clinton questioned the information he was given and used his considerable intellect (no problem there for boy George as he has little) to make value a judgment (which turned out to be 100% correct) to not attack. President Cheney and his sidekick, boy George, wanted to attack from day 1 and used no discretion as they believed everything they were handed. 19% club for you. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:57 AM:

" To DK...are you saying Scooter did not plead guilty to a crime? "

The Cats wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:56 AM:

" To illini...you all kept voting for him and will again with McSame. Don't try to tell me how you don't like him...it doesn't pass the smell test. This administration is morally bankrupt. "

illini-dog wrote on Apr 16, 2008 5:11 PM:

" Cat and dk, you are right the cia was lying all along since i went back and read my national review from then. He was convicted of 4 counts of perjury months later because thats when the trial was and he resigned cause the dems made him right?Come on man i've been a staunch conservative for over 40 years now and this stinks just as bad as the clinton lies and if you can't see that then i don't know what to tell you that you would believe . And Cat the only liberal i see is bush since his spending, debt, deficit, and doubling the size of govt. makes most conservatives sick . "

DK61727 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 9:17 AM:

" "illini-dog", well, Mr. Omni-present, share your valuable insight with those of us who must rely solely upon evidence beyond a reasonable doubt before we try a person of a crime in the U.S. The Justice Deparment didn't have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt........that's exactly why Scooter was not tried for the substantive offense. Instead, he was determined guilty of a crime (false statements) committed many months after the Valerie outing. Tell all of us everything you know. Maybe, now, with your evidence, Scooter can be indicted and tried for the substantive offense!! Who did the outing, lying? Who, what, when, where, why and to whom, to what, to when, to where and why? Be specific. And, how do you account for the others who openly confessed to providing the media with Valerie's identity? And, why wasn't anyone in the media convicted who publicly reported Valeries identity tried and convicted? Either support your accusations with facts, or show a little class and stop the irrational, unsupportable accusations. The U.S. Justice Department not political.........are you insane? "

The Cat wrote on Apr 16, 2008 8:48 AM:

" illini-dog: She was NOT covert. To be covert she would have to be operating overseas and she was stationed at Langley. Fitzgerald KNEW who gave her name to Novak and that was Colin Powell’s deputy Richard Armitage. I hope you are as interested in finding out who leaked the anti terrorists programs, like bank transaction tracking, that were active classified programs and were successful in disrupting terrorist activities as opposed to a “leak” of a Dem partisan in the CIA . A couple of other things to correct your fact deprived posts: Libby had his prison sentence COM MUTED he was not PARDONED. Second: my posting handle is The Cat not the Cats who is your fellow misinformed left wing poster.

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illini-dog wrote on Apr 15, 2008 4:59 PM:

" To the cats; I know its hard for you but i never said anyone was CHARGED with outing wilson, my whole point is someone did alot of lying to prevent that and that is a crime. Libby was just the fall guy that bush took care of with the pardon anyway and proved that. "

illini-dog wrote on Apr 15, 2008 4:44 PM:

" Okay i can play to DumbK62##. Here is history so rewrite it how you feel , The investigation was started by the justice dept[not the dems] the cia itself said plame status was ''operative'' and clasified info thus the GJ. So if the cia said she was covert they must have been lying and DK the reich winger is telling the truth then ,OK.And thanks for proving the point of this topic since bush pardoned libby anyway proving he takes care of his liars. Plus i just heard on the radio today that bush said the sun was never going to shine again so go ahead and throw away your sunglasses. "

The Cat wrote on Apr 15, 2008 4:13 PM:

" To esteban: If “the Cats: bases his “argument” on a “study” by the Center For Public “Integrity” and the Fund for Independence in Journalism (an oxymoron if there ever was one), I can use any source more creditable including the National Enquirer to counter it. To illini-dog: NO ONE WAS CHARGED WITH OUTING PLAME. Libby was convicted of not telling the truth to the grand jury like Shrillary did in Whitewater, but they didn’t go after her. When India and Pakistan exploded their bombs those events came as a surprise to the CIA as did the NK program etc. Wilson “claimed” he was sent to Niger by Cheney’s office but it was his wife and her CIA buddies that sent him. To Bill Vit: I have problems with some Bush initiatives but, compared to the lying, conniving, incompetent marxists that are this year’s Donkey Party candidates for his job, he is Presidential. To Vido: What alternative universe are you living in? Whereever it is there is mixture of 9/11 “inside job” and Israeli “conspiracies.

"

DK61727 wrote on Apr 15, 2008 7:22 AM:

" "illini-dogbreath", concentrate!! It is a violation of the CIA Charter to conduct covert CIA operations WITHIN the borders of the United States. Therefore, there never was LEGAL covert operations by the CIA in the United States. Wilson was living in the U.S. and commuting to work in Virginia. (BTW, if you desire, feel free to go over to Langley and watch the CIA employees going to and from work. If you had done so several years ago, you could have waved at Valerie driving her convertible into and out of the CIA parking lot. She was no covert operative; for IF she had been, she would have been in violatioin of U.S. law and arrested. Now, as to Libby, he was not found guilty of outing Valerie, because, as I previously explained, there was no such violation. Furthermore, as everyone knows, NO ONE was ever found guilty of outing Wilson. It was a cheap, phony Democrat campaign trick . Scooter was found guilty of making false statements to the FBI MONTHS LATER. That's the facts. See Steven? "

illini-dog wrote on Apr 14, 2008 3:49 PM:

" To the cat; If their was no crime in outing wilson then why was scooter libby convicted of perjury then??I know before you start your usual clinton ,blah,blah,blah nonsense stick with this question and save your blame the democrat spiel and answer why scooter went down then. "

illini-dog wrote on Apr 14, 2008 2:29 PM:

" To the cat; You are doing a terrible job of rewriting history.Wilson was the one that said iraq did not try buying ''yellowcake'' from niger and bush did not want to hear that since his whole reason for invading iraq was because they were trying to buy them and were trying to link AQ too. Remember?What do you mean the cia ''missed''indias and pakistans bombs??Who do you think has been paying over 100 million a year to help gaurd them??Stop trying to rewrite history with these lies it only makes you look silly. "

Patriot wrote on Apr 14, 2008 2:14 PM:

" Well said, Phil! Bush is not worthy. I saw him talk at a fund-raising event that had only extremely wealthy people. He stated that they were his true base of supporters. He cares nothing about America of the people who make up the bottom 90% in terms of economic wealth. For him, the sons and daughters of most people are just canon fodder to be used up in a casual way so that the military-industrial complex can make a buck. Our federal government is so secretive, that they state any inquiry into their mode of operation is not appropriate. They forget that they are servants of the People and act like useless royalty and many mindless Republicans and Democrats don't seem to care. "

esteban colberto wrote on Apr 14, 2008 12:46 PM:

" To the Cat:
You really going to site 'newsbusters' as a credible organization? What next, using doug feith or rich lowery? Please do not insult our intelligence. Brett Bozell, owner of newsbusters is as biased as they come. "

Vido wrote on Apr 14, 2008 10:48 AM:

" The US could never provide any evidence to the Taliban that Bin Laden was responsible for the 9-11 attacks. Even our own FBI doesn’t have it today. (Look up FBI most wanted). So we invaded Afghanistan anyway. Then we invade Iraq because we “thought” they had WMD which turned out to be a lie. So you condemn Iran for arming itself? If your 2 neighbor’s homes were invaded wouldn’t you want some protection? Iran won’t attack unless they are attacked. Why give them a reason? Syria has its own problems with the mass exodus of fleeing Iraqi refugees devastating their already overloaded economy. So bombing them is your solution? Israel and Palestine are more between Islam, Judaism and Christianity territories. Syria protected Lebanon from Israel for decades why do you think Hamas has such a strong presence there? It was Israel’s mossad that killed PM Hariri and caused Lebanon to expel Syrian forces because they believed at the time that it was Syria. Look what Israel did to Beirut after Syria left. "

bill vit wrote on Apr 14, 2008 9:22 AM:

" To the Cat:

As usual the Bushies will constantly look at the world thru Bush worshipping glasses. Clinton did every wrong. I'm sure he was responsible for the coliseum as well.

Dubya is great, never did anything wrong, I would rate him best president ever. Let's suspend the elections and vote him King.

Fact - Every President looks after his own interests and the people who helped put him there. ALL PRESIDENTS and political leaders do this. The blindness of some people is amazing. But that is why we are in the mess we are in, the masses are asses. "

summer wrote on Apr 14, 2008 9:08 AM:

" I pray for the misguided and misinformed! "

The Cat wrote on Apr 13, 2008 8:39 PM:

" The Cats: “Newsbusters” on 1/24/08 went into some detail on the organizations conducting your “932 Bush Lies” study, their leadership, and the alleged “lies”. The Center For Public “Integrity”, founded by Charles Lewis (a former Mike Wallace 60 Minutes producer), and the Fund for Independence in Journalism (funded by George Soros, headed by Lewis after leaving CPI) produced and funded the study and both are ultra-leftwing groups with a history of GOP and Bush-bashing. The “lies” in question (not all 932 were actual Bush statements) include true statements and commonly believed intelligence on Iraqi WMDs previously cited by Dems including Clinton when in office like “Saddam has weapons of mass destruction. He used them before, he used them on his own people.” The Big Lizards Blog for 1/23/08 contains details on the parsing language of the study “findings” from Lewis and colleague Mark Reading-Smith, like "It is NOW beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have MEANINGFUL ties to al-Qaida," questioning the creditablity of their “study” as do subsequent intellegence findings in Iraqi files. "

The Cat wrote on Apr 13, 2008 5:44 PM:

" The Cats to address some of your reoccurring fantasies: Although this has been covered before, Valerie Plame Wilson was not covered by the statute that Fitzgerald was using so there was no “crime”. She and her husband were the Dems that “outed” her by making contributions to the Donkey Party under her own name using her CIA front company’s address and he letting everyone know his wife worked for the “Agency”. Before you get too incensed about her being a “valuable asset”, remember her CIA group was involved with WMD intelligence but missed India and Pakistan’s bombs, were surprised by North Korea’s nuclear program, gave Bush the Iraq information you call lies, and weren’t aware of Libya’s bomb program. Remember, too, that Wilson falsely claimed that the VP’s office sent him to Niger. On the economy: Isn’t it odd that the economy started to go down hill and gas prices through the roof after the Donkey’s took over the now low poll congress? Is there some linkage there? Makes as much sense as your rants. Stay tuned, more to come.

"

The Cat wrote on Apr 13, 2008 4:37 PM:

" To Bill Vit: That is one of the most stupid and illogical comments yet from a Bush-basher. The 9/11 hijackers entered the country under Clinton’s “watch”, it was his assistant AG that put in place the wall between CIA and FBI in domestic terrorist intelligence gathering preventing data on the hijackers to flow between agencies, and the Clinton administration bugged out so fast and in a fit of pique refusing to provide a transition. In spite of the Clinton holdovers in Justice, the CIA, FBI, etc, the Bush administration put procedures to address the mess left by Clinton.
"

The Cat wrote on Apr 13, 2008 2:19 PM:

" The Cats: Where to begin? You get more irrational with every post. You rant that Iraq was “invaded” illegally then say we should have attacked Saudi Arabia. Let’s see; OBL was in Afghanistan (which Bush attacked), the hijackers were dead in the US (courtesy of Clinton’s intelligence failures), and maddrasses are throughout the “peaceful” islamic world (didn’t Obummer attend one in Indonesia?), so on what basis do you justify attacking Saudi Arabia (where we happened to have bases at the time)? As to OBL and “mission accomplished”, you are confused (as usual) on the “mission accomplished” that was a statement by the carrier crew (on a sign) that had come back from a successful tour supporting the overthrow of Saddam and nothing to do with OBL nor a Bush statement. Saddam’s overthrow happened to be the MISSION. At the “risk” of incurring your scorn, wasn’t it Bubba that said “I tried hard to get Osama” while vacillating on strikes in Afghanistan and accepting the Somali offer to turn him over on “legal” grounds and bad advice from subordinates? To be continued. "

The other Dave wrote on Apr 13, 2008 1:13 PM:

" Quote from The Cats to me: "Come back and debate me". I guess it is Bush's fault that you don't want to debate me. And I bet you think that Blago created today's snow. Finally, you will be glad to hear that Bush has not stubbed my toe yet today.

My point is that the government is not responsible for the happenings in anyone's life. And people need to start being responsible for their actions. Sorry that you could not figure out my point. I am sure you blame someone in government for that too. "

The Cat wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:44 PM:

" Vido: Stupidity deserves derision. Raise your head from the leftwing propaganda pool and see the news reports (not “rightwing” sources) on terror groups having strong roots in Syria, Syria’s support for groups and Syrian intelligence agencies trying to destabilize Lebanon, recent chemical and nuclear activity in Syria, nuclear activity and advanced missile development in Iran, Iran’s support for terror groups in many places including Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention Iran’s US embassy takeover in the late 70s lead by none other than the current Iranian president. “Dialogs” work only when both parties are prepared to actually reach an agreement, which has not been the case in the Middle East. Even the Palestinians can’t agree on who is running their area nor could the “sainted” Arafat reach an agreement even when Israel gave him more than 95% of the Palestinians demands. WW2 should show that the “Peace at any price” approach usually leads to no peace and a high price. PS: We do not have peace (9/11?) and really have not used the military to its full capability. "

bill vit wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:59 AM:

" To the Cat:

If you are going to take credit for no more 911s than you must take fault for 911. You can't have it both ways. Oh I forgot, it was Clinton's fault, as is everything...

Or maybe the coliseum's "

DK61727 wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:52 AM:

" "The Cats", your are extremely dangerous to yourself and others when you fail to take your meds. How many times have we discovered that some psycho Bozo stops taking his meds, loses it and commits atrocious acts against society? As the great Ronald Reagan said, "There he goes again!" Do you realize you posted seven (7) straight comments, drooling and ranting and raving, repeatedly recounting fictions of your imagination? You are a typical Liberal.......uhhhh Progressive. (Practice a little patience and the word "Progressive" shall become just as repugnant as the word "Liberal") "

LOL Liberal (:-D) wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:05 AM:

" Let's be honest, the only purpose of "The Surge" was to prolong the train wreck in Iraq so that the next administration is forced to deal with picking up the pieces. That way the current mental midget of a juvenile delinquent moron in the White House can claim the war was lost by the new guy and hopefully throw a splash of gray onto his otherwise stark black legacy. It's too bad he ran out of imagination and had to go this approach, causing 1,000-2,000 more American military deaths. After all, he changed the "purpose" for the war so many times, he could have just changed it once more, to: Leave the middle East in total shambles and chaos so that they are too pre-occupied killing each other to kill us. That way, he could have withdrawn all our troops and declared a complete and glorious victory - mission accomplished! "

LOL Liberal (:-D) wrote on Apr 13, 2008 9:39 AM:

" It strikes me as odd to read Wat Tyler (4/11 1:54pm) schooling Geez and Greed about proper editorializing. This from a guy that posted under numerous names (Spoede, YadaYada and others) until The Pantagraph cracked down on him and required registration. Even more odd is his closing statement; "One of the more despicable tactics that partisan politics brings out. " Wat, you are the poster boy for partisan politics! Yes, I too am partisan, but I'm not a hypocrite that preaches against what I am (in the vein of Mark Foley, Larry Craig, Ted Haggard and now, in true GOP fashion, Wat Tyler) and I acknowledge it in my moniker - BTW, proving The Cat wrong, once again, when she says liberals avoid using the name liberal (4/11 8:23 pm). I do it proudly, and more so each day of the Bush administration.
"

The Cats wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:41 AM:

" To Live Wire...I guess in regards to the job loss I will believe the Wall Street Journal over your numbers. Sorry. As to the recession of 2001...I think boy George was President then....remember he was appointed by his daddy's Supreme Court in his election. Nice try though...keep on spinning...you certainly have no facts at your disposal. BTW you really are trying to defend our Liar In Chief on the economy? Even The Cta/Yada doesn't do that. Not one positive point of light in this economy...even Rush and FIX news aren't talking about it anymore. How silly. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:36 AM:

" To The Other Dave...I don't want to debate you...why would I waste my time. Your "stubbed toe" comment indicates that a debate with you would be much like talking to my 5 year old...cute but hardly intellectually stimulating. Your comments indicating you think that no one is government is responsible for anything sums you up quite nicely. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:32 AM:

" To The Cat 4-11 2:43 post...I have asked you repeatedly to find me one study, by any conservative group disproving the 935 lies article. You have not done so. All you do is continue to say that the study is slanted in some way. Where is your proof sir? As to the rest of it...I am used to your insults (at least try and be original once in a while) and I understand they are really the only ammunition you have (certainly nothing factual to back your blind loyalty to this failed President). You attack Clinton (as you do in every post) but again no factual references, just your rants. However you don't acknowledge the illegal arms sales going on today in this administration (nuclear triggers were just the latest). You claim Clinton was soft on terror but you refuse to acknowledge that boy George should have invaded Saudi Arabia as the teach anti-American hatred in their schools, and Bin Laden and 15 of the hijackers came from there...certainly the center of terrorism. BTW Reagan armed the Afghan's and the Iraqi's...that worked out well didn't it. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:23 AM:

" To easy...he also used to post as YADA. The Cat is the one, when defending Reagans' criminal administration, said (I paraphrase) Reagan thought it was OK to arm the Contra's even though he knew it was illegal, therefore that made it OK for him to do it. When called on it he refused to admit that his post was ridiculous, or that it was intellectually void, or that it meant the end justified the means. I will say this for him though he spins and twists the truth to always support our Liar In Chief even though he looks so foolish doing it. He is a charter member (along with a few others on here) of the 19% club....those who think all is well in the USA. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:18 AM:

" To The Cat 4-11 post...as always accusations without facts. The things you ascribe to Clinton are actually being proven by the day to be going on in the administration of our Liar In Chief (935 lies to justify the pre-emptive war we are in now, alone). Actually Rush started calling liberals progressives and that is a moniker most of us are proud of. Certainly it has a better connotation than a regressive. As to using the term liberal as an insult...I think from all polls, with boy George claiming to lead a conservative administration, that the word conservative can only be associated with a failed war, a failed economy, and a failed administration. Unfortunately for the small cult of "W" worshipers only about 28% of the country agree he is doing a good job...his current approval rating (BTW Clinton has an 75% rating) and only 19% agree we are headed in the right direction. Enjoy the exclusivity Yada. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:10 AM:

" TO BN Republican...revisionist history again. Bush signs all legislation and he is certainly quick to veto (children's health care...too expensive (LOL?) to name one) anything he doesn't like. Republicans have filibustered 62 times (an all-time record) so as to the sub prime (your words not mine) legislation I am sure they would have had no trouble with number 63 if they were not in favor of tax breaks and financial gain for their biggest contributors. Nice try blaming the democrats for de-regulation. It actually was started, in large part, by the great union buster (boy that was a good move...the air traffic system in this country is working fine with endless delays and with 6 airlines in BK so far this month) Ronnie Reagan. Almost 74% of the major banks and investment houses, which got rich off the sub-prime loans, are controlled by...you guessed it...republican contributors and voters (Forbes Magazine). Your post is, as always, factually lacking and foolish. "

The Cats wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:00 AM:

" To The Cat...revisionist history yet again. Boy George stated that Osama Bin Laden was the mastermind and architect of 9/11...remember "wanted dead or alive"? Of course in following your factually inaccurate rantings I also know that you forget "mission accomplished" as well. You say our Liar In chief has personally prevented further acts of terror and then say the democrats have blocked him...which is it? Since "W" is so powerful you must also believe that he single handedly has screwed up the economy...or is that Clinton's (or FDR's) fault? Funny how you right wing radicals are quick to insult but always seem to be short on real facts...not the facts that Rush feeds you. BTW...I missed that it was a democrat who leaked Valarie Plame...which one was that? Thanks for the consistency and the laughs. "

johnd wrote on Apr 12, 2008 11:39 PM:

" look at the bright side Bush has messed up so bad atleast were sure a Democrat will be moving back into the White House.So things are looking up. "

Vido wrote on Apr 12, 2008 10:47 PM:

" To The Cat; In order to really understand what’s going on in the world. Don’t just listen to the Associated Press, Fox News and Rush L. The perception you are emulating strongly resembles their point of view. Are you capable of writing one single post without condescending remarks to liberals? This destabilizes any valid point you may want to make. Terrorist paranoia and delusional assumptions on Iran and Syria’s intentions will only escalate another misinformed and misdirected invasion. War is only an option when the most powerful military force on Earth is incapable or unwilling to use foreign diplomacy. What’s wrong with dialogs? Are you afraid of peace? "

easy wrote on Apr 12, 2008 7:45 PM:

" The Cat sounds (writes) an awful lot like that Political Heretic guy I used to hack on. PH is no where to be found in these pointless ramblings. Hmmmm "

The Cat wrote on Apr 12, 2008 5:03 PM:

" Vido: How about a logical argument? Safer: no 9/11 repeats; OBL may be at large but the 9/11 architect is in custody and many top AQ 2nd and 3rd level leaders dead or captured; several overseas terror plots broken up; and a dent put into AQ financing (until the someone leaked the anti-terror bank transfer program)? Aggressive techniques like “waterboarding” three senior AQ operatives generated information on the AQ structure and terror plots in progress helping crimp operations and take out other leaders, as did wiretapping and internet intelligence gathering. Since the Dem leadership (particularly in congress) is too busy throwing roadblocks in the way of anti-terror activities to thwart the Administration and/or please their kook supporters, meeting with states like Syria and Iran and terror groups like Hamas and the PKK to stymie US policy and ongoing operations, or using leaks to blow classified operations; are they the source of your “unity path” solution? Perhaps it’s the “wiretapped” “anti-terror peace groups” that crave attention through picketing and vocal disruptions that provide “productive dialogue”? Maybe it’s islamic groups like CARE.
"

The Cat wrote on Apr 12, 2008 1:03 PM:

" To Bill Vit: Congratulations! Another "intelligent" comment from the anti-Bush crowd. "

Vido wrote on Apr 12, 2008 11:47 AM:

" Are we really safer? Can we all sleep better at night? Is Usama bin Laden still alive? Does our Government always tell us the truth? Was there really WMD in Iraq? Is everything reported in the media accurate? Torturing prisoners makes us safer? Electronically monitoring anti-war groups (who are against terror) that could be terrorists? A “patriot Act” That is anti-patriotic giving us les freedoms than we had? Heroin production in Afghanistan is up over 90 times the pre-invasion levels, how is that possible? There are failures at every level of our government yet we waste our time bickering about each other’s political stance. Make a difference by implementing productive dialogue discussing “what to do next”. We can’t change the past but through unity we can create a path for the future. "

BN REPUBLICAN wrote on Apr 12, 2008 9:20 AM:

" Phil, don't forget that the fairness in lending legislation that allows for the subprime mortgages came from... you guessed it, the democrats. Don't blame Bush for legislation he didn't sponsor.

Oh, and by the way, the reason why you can sleep well every night is because we are secure. seems he did that right after all.

"

bill vit wrote on Apr 12, 2008 8:57 AM:

" I'm sure it was the coliseum's fault....

For all the Bush backers, how come you aren't on the front line fighting this war on terror? Too busy, I guess. Freedom ain't free, but let others do the work while you reap the glory. King Bush commandment #1 "

KingSalmon wrote on Apr 11, 2008 11:38 PM:

" RE: "Meh wrote on Apr 11, 2008 6:25 AM:" I actually believe that had Gore or Kerry been in office when 9/11 occurred that they'd have been largely non-reactive and we'd have experienced at least one other such dangerous incident if not many more, by now. I believe Bush's initial aggressive approach and taking out Saddam was correct and justified. Only thing that would be better would be if we'd have gotten Bin Laden by now, too. If you're a staunch lefty, you surely disagree, and I respect that- but I'm a middle-of-the-roader who has adopted common-sense logic from both sides and I employ my best non-partisan common sense in such matters and this is just how I feel about it. No single person, part or movement gets my loyalty. "

The Cat wrote on Apr 11, 2008 8:23 PM:

" To: Crimson (AKA Pink or Red). 1. Progressive is what liberals are calling themselves today because “Liberal” is now equated with “Marxist”. The term “Progressive” from the late 19th/early 20th Centuries morphed to “Liberal” because it became equated to totalitarian/socialist/anarchist. Things seem to come full circle with you “elite” control freaks. 2. On the 4th Amendment, Bubba sure played loose with it in his Waco operation, electronic surveillance of political “enemies”, IRS harassment of conservative individuals and groups, and misuse of FBI files. I assume your Bush complaint is eavesdropping on FOREIGN terrorists OVERSEAS not subject to the 4th Amendment that has the Exigent Circumstances provision (immediate need to protect life or property of law enforcement or others). 3. As to Valerie Wilson, she was not covert, was known to the foreign intelligence community since the mid 90s, and “outed” by her own and her husband’s shenanigans and lies. 4. Fine Bush is leaving in January; unfortunately we’re faced with two donkey losers and one mediocre RINO as his replacement. "

Crimson wrote on Apr 11, 2008 5:22 PM:

" I'm amazed at how easily people can turn a blind eye to the corruption of Dubya, just wash it all away and say nothing but "Bill Clinton! Blah, blah, blah!" like that makes it all OK. Did Bill Clinton decide the 4th amendment had no place in modern America? Did Bill Clinton pass legislation making bankruptcy protection much more difficult for an individual to attain while spend

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