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el duderino wrote on May 21, 2008 6:21 PM:

" ISU has women's basketball? "

Scapegoat wrote on May 20, 2008 9:10 AM:

" To clarify my last sentence: Christians who do the same, not Christians in general. =) "

Scapegoat wrote on May 20, 2008 8:34 AM:

" With all due respect, studento, asserting that atheists and other "non-believers" are "running towards a cliff" achieves nothing but antagonization and a lashing back against so-called moral tenants. Not even all Christian denominations can agree on where salvation originates, and the mix is even more confused when you throw in other major religions: Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

There is nothing wrong with wearing your faith on your sleeve (call it what you will), but then don't be surprised that many people wear a lack of belief in God on theirs. You can't have it both ways. That having been said, I'm as annoyed by atheists actively promoting their beliefs to people who do not wish to hear them as I am by Christians. "

studento wrote on May 19, 2008 10:33 PM:

" I applaud Coach Pingeton and her team for living out their faith. Say what you want about Christianity, but as a Christian, I find it appaling to claim that one's faith is for church only. My faith, as well as many other people who put their faith in Jesus, guides me in whatever I do, and will play a major role in my job, whether its with other religious people or atheists. I am so sick of people generalizing Christians as right-wing, uptight bigots. We share our faith because we believe that if you arent saved, you are destined for hell, and we don't want you to go there. If someone is running towards what you believe is a cliff, and you tell them to stop, but they blow you off, are you going to simply give up and let them run towards what you truly believe to be their death? Of course not, no matter what day of the week it is. "

Scapegoat wrote on May 19, 2008 9:34 AM:

" DK - Apparently you don't pick up very well on sarcasm. My 3am comment was a jab at the petty bickering that I see on these boards. That aside, go back and re-read my post. I said "The U.S. is no longer quite the dominantly Christian nation it once was, nor do many of the various denominations of Christianity agree on issues of worship and prayer. The last figures I read showed something like 14-16% of the population now as openly atheist/agnostic."

Where exactly in there did I say that Christianity is not one of the world's (and U.S.'s) predominant religions? Christianity is the largest and ONE OF the fastest growing religions; it is currently battling Islam for that title. Furthermore, you said: "And, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it." Why would I want to do anything about it? Just because I don't follow the religion does not mean I wish to de-legitimize it as a belief system. Live and let live. The majority of my family members are practicing Christians. "

Woody wrote on May 18, 2008 8:14 PM:

" bamamama wrote:
" I have seen nothing that indicates this coach is applying pressure on anyone.

Her own words make it appear that she could be. Which is why someone who is NOT close to the team and the coach, someone who can be independent, needs to investigate and weigh in.

For the record, I sincerely HOPE you are right. But coaches, like politicians, need to avoid even potential impropriety, and we do have POTENTIAL for impropriety. "

PK wrote on May 18, 2008 10:28 AM:

" Opps, I was not directing my comments to DK but to Paladin. Sorry. "

PK wrote on May 18, 2008 10:27 AM:

" to DK..... Your comments comparing Christian beliefs to Easter bunny and Santa Claus is insulting and disrespectful. I respect your right to believe in any religion or no religion and furthermore if you are sincere in that believe I will not ridicule it. I would expect the same respect from you. But that is only if you are willing to be open-minded, and willing to live peacefully with others, respecting their opinions and beliefs. But from your comments it sounds as if you are not a person to respect those who disagree with you. I hope I am wrong. "

Paladin wrote on May 17, 2008 11:41 AM:

" ..."DK61727", you should say "Pauline Christianity". Then, you would be more accurate. Most scholars reject Pauline "history", because it is self-incriminating, and totally against the grain of other reporting sources, including the texts written by the so-called brother of your Jesus, a Rabbi named James. Also, there is no independant record of the existance of your "Savior", outside of allegorical reference, which is Gnostic in its background, not "Christian". Personally, I think it is cute that you folks still cling to that kind of nonsense. Easter Bunnies and Santa Clause, whatever helps you make it through your day... "

DK61727 wrote on May 16, 2008 5:12 PM:

" Someone wrote, "I've had more intelligent conversations on religion at 3am after a night of heavy drinking."

Ironic, you couldn't remember much else, but you remembered that. Next time you regurgitate a bunch of statistics, don't forget this one: Christianity is not only one of the largest, but also the fastest growing religion in the world. And, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. "

DK61727 wrote on May 16, 2008 4:55 PM:

" "Mark", I heard MCA has a history of denying adulterers staff positions within the organization. Talk about close minded. The MCA thinks adultry it is "sinful" while everyone knows it is merely consensual sex between two loving people. "

bamamama wrote on May 16, 2008 4:15 PM:

" I have seen nothing that indicates this coach is applying pressure on anyone. That's my point. Have purpose in your life, whatever it may be. People are getting upset over this issue when there isn't one. People close to the team and the coach have all said there is no pressure being placed on women to join up or get out. I don't understand why folks have jumped on this woman, as if it's any of their business, for something that hasn't happened. If she had come out and said, pray with me or leave, ok, let's talk about it. She has done nothing wrong and people want to judge her. "

Mike wrote on May 16, 2008 7:50 AM:

" What' s your point? "

Woody wrote on May 14, 2008 10:51 PM:

" There isn't anything wrong with having a purpose in your life, bamamama. But how do you know that they aren't pressuring others to adopt their beliefs? Even if they are applying pressure unintentionally, it is still wrong.

"

Scapegoat wrote on May 14, 2008 9:46 AM:

" I don't think most reasonable people have a problem with the fact that the members of the coaching staff are openly Christian, or even necessarily that state funds "are being used in support of a religious organization." I also don't think they're terribly worried about prosteltizing, so long as it is kept specifically to those non-mandatory team meetings, and unless the coaches indeed see conversion as their primary directive. The included quote from Robin Pingeton is vague in this regard.

The problem becomes the potential, and I stress that word, for discriminatory behaviors towards players who choose not to attend such meetings. The U.S. is no longer quite the dominantly Christian nation it once was, nor do many of the various denominations of Christianity agree on issues of worship and prayer. The last figures I read showed something like 14-16% of the population now as openly atheist/agnostic. Pray before the game if you like, but pray to yourself and the God you choose to believe in, if indeed you believe in any. Keep it simple. "

bamamama wrote on May 13, 2008 3:22 PM:

" What is so wrong with someone having a purpose in their life? As long as they are not forcing others to adopt their beliefs, I see nothing wrong with wanting to be respectful and loving to your fellow man.

Additionally, I find it funny that people are up in arms about state dollars supporting student organizations and the impact of tax payers supporting religious organizations. State dollars support all student organizations that request money from the institution so EVERY type of group, anarchists . . . muslims . . . jews . . . etc all receive your money. It all balances out. "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on May 13, 2008 1:40 PM:

" I am a Christian (a confirmed Luthern). I pray, I believe in God. I also played basketball my entire life and continue to do so. I was the point guard, the leader of the team. If other teammates want to pray before a game, that is fine. But I would not the like the idea of a bible study as a team. There are different religions out there, are they going to say a prayer for every religion or just the Lord's prayer? There are people who don't believe in God and could care less but still want to play basketball. The coaches can say it doesn't matter if you don't show up to these studies or whatever but if they are that religious that they are having this studies, I guarantee you they will discriminate against the players that don't attend. It's basketball, not church. Play ball and thank God when you win or say his name in vain when you don't...it's a game and winning should be the coaches first priority, not impacting lives for Christ...that's the churches job last time I checked! "

Scapegoat wrote on May 13, 2008 9:37 AM:

" I will say, however, as a fairly recent graduate of ISU, that Paladin's last comment is right on the money. For every obviously liberal professor I met, I met one who was obviously conservative... or one who didn't bring it into the discussion at all... or one who was happy to bash equally across the political spectrum. Professors are paid to express interpretations in a responsible way. All history professors, for example, attempt to debunk popular misconceptions about their place/time of specialization. It's their job.

While some are more successful than others at being as objective as possible, it is up to the students to use a bit of critical analysis to formulate their own beliefs and assertions. The spoon feeding is over. Take the interpretations of your teachers and accept, build upon, or challenge them as you see fit. Just make sure you back it up with legitimate evidence. "

Scapegoat wrote on May 12, 2008 2:13 PM:

" I've had more intelligent conversations on religion at 3am after a night of heavy drinking. It never ceases to amaze me how people slam each other without truly taking a moment to try and understand where the other side is coming from. And before you slam me, please consider that I'm speaking with personal experience from a Christian and non-Christian perspective.

For those who praise the founding fathers and the "Judeo-Christian" foundations of this country: by modern American interpretations of what it means to be Judeo-Christian, by and large, the founding fathers did not provide a shining example. These were men (in general) who smoke, drank, had affairs, owned slaves, and certainly didn't always turn a blind eye. "

lbomb wrote on May 9, 2008 10:50 PM:

" Prof, if only half of your profs are liberals, then the other half are not. Sounds like you are getting a pretty balanced education. Don't waste daddy's money...go study!! "

theProf wrote on May 9, 2008 1:14 PM:

" i know they are radicals becasue they state it, they spend more class time preaching their ideas than teachings....people who are zealous about something usually state they are, they dont hide it.. "

Meh wrote on May 9, 2008 12:39 PM:

" theProf, how do you know they're left wing radicals? BTW, alcoholism isn't a left or right-wing thing. "

theProf wrote on May 9, 2008 10:40 AM:

" To meh,

Im in college now and most of my professors are left wing radicals...not all of them but about half of them are, they are pretty ridiculous, sometimes i think they may be hung over when they come to work, but i cant tell if thats the pot they are smoking or just the alcohol "

Paladin wrote on May 9, 2008 8:04 AM:

" There are some liberal profs at universities, but there are a heckuva lot of not so liberal profs, too. Business, engineering, math, pre-med / "hard" sciences. Even among the so-called "liberal arts", you will find profs who aren't pushing any political agenda. Most political science profs are, themselves, students of "realpolitik", and will happily bash Clinton right after bashing Reagan. If your history prof lets some air out of your cherished American myths, it isn't because he is a card carrying Commie, it is because he is interested in history, not story-telling and fables. Higher education is like that, sometimes, but that doesn't mean it is a hippie academy. Ed Rust is on a Presidential Education Advisory Board. He graduated from Illinois Wesleyan, which calls itself a "liberal arts school". Is he a hippie, too? "

Young & Open Minded wrote on May 9, 2008 8:02 AM:

" I agree with 'Meh.' Even my professors in Political Science classes wouldn't tell us what way they swang. Obviously some were easier to figure out than others, but they were always objective when teaching, regardless of how stupid their decisions were and much they may have thought they weren't capable of holding office.

Also some of my favorite classes.

And 'geez,' wasn't Rome founded by pedophiles and people that thought it was ok to treat women and children and sexual objects? So is it wrong for them to not still practice this? "

Meh wrote on May 9, 2008 6:45 AM:

" knowing is half the battle, sometimes I think that the right-wingers on this forum never went to college. Or did you go to college 50 years ago and just assume that its super liberal now?

As someone who actually went to college recently, both as a student and as an employee, I have never encountered "left wing radical professors" or known a professor who expressed political views to their students. They were always far too busy teaching or doing research to start evangelizing.

And before you accuse me of having a liberal bias while in college, I didn't start becoming a left-winger until long after I graduated college - something about Bush Decidering to invade Iraq for no reason. "

Geez! wrote on May 8, 2008 11:53 PM:

" knowing - very succinctly put! "

Geez! wrote on May 8, 2008 11:48 PM:

" The mention of Christianity in a college where the country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles? The horror of it all! "

knowing is half the battle wrote on May 8, 2008 6:22 PM:

" Paladin. You're right. Now will you go tell the left wing radical professors teaching these kids classes to shut up on topics they aren't qualified to rant about. "

Paladin wrote on May 8, 2008 5:16 PM:

" ...if you want your coaches to preach, hire them as "Chaplains", as well as "athletic trainers", or "kenesiologists", or whatever. If it ain't in their job description, let them shut up about it. I don't have any problems with them going to prayer meetings whenever they want to, why should anyone object to that? I also don't have a problem with them saying "bless you" if someone sneezes (even though no one believes that the Devil will invade your soul through your nose, anymore). If they want to evangelize, though, they should have the academic background to allow them to preach. Get a Masters, or a Doctorate, in Theology (from an accredited institution), and go on and do it (if your university will allow it). Other than that, save your charisma for the cheap seats at your church. That is where it belongs, anyway... "

Young & Open Minded wrote on May 8, 2008 2:39 PM:

" Airwren -

I pointed out that for me personally it was Christianity...The generalization I made was about religion, not just Christianity. "

Twin2 wrote on May 8, 2008 1:14 PM:

" To: HRPuffinstuff,these women were not on the basketball court they were at a party. I quoted him to make a point. You can thank your teacher, a doctor, a politician, parents or anyone made a positive influence in your life but why is it the second you thank God as a group someone gets offended? Before you know it because of political correctness we will all become like robots, instead of free willed individuals the way God made us. "

airwren wrote on May 8, 2008 1:06 PM:

" Young & Open Minded I would just like to point out something about one of the statements you made. Christianity is not at all to blame for some of the largest catastrophic events in human history. In the end, responisbility should always lie at the feet of the people involved in those events. That's like saying that all Muslim's are terrorists because some choose to be terrorists. That rationale never works. To the point of this article I don't see any problem with FCA being involved at I.S.U. so long as those on the team are allowed to have a choice in whether they attend or not. To my knowledge noone on the team is forced to come or is pressured to participate. If that is indeed the case then there really shouldn't be an issue with it. "

i said that wrote on May 8, 2008 12:53 PM:

" When you stated "Both Marines and Chrisitans are the reason you all have the freedoms ...," you put yourself out there. Nowhere did I "dis" the FCA, or you. You put words into my post. I never attributed anything, good nor bad, to Christians, or the Corps. Where that comment came from I do not know. My guess is it was simple pronoun problems, a la Daffy Duck (duck season, rabbit season, duck season, rabbit season, BANG!!!). As far as "if you had ever ventured out of your protected little, insignificant life in the USA to someplace that has real dangers, you would find something important to complain about. " Settle down, Jarhead, this again is misplaced agression. I have travelled this globe, and it is not as big and scary as you have made it sound. It is really a pleasant place. However, I will say this now, I do fear zealots of all walks of life, and judging by the froth on the jowls of your post, you are indeed something to fear. "

The Cats wrote on May 8, 2008 10:32 AM:

" To Jarhead...are you actually saying that a marine has never committed an atrocity in war or in peacetime? There are countless numbers of them on record. Why is it that you always include an insult in each of your posts? Are you really carrying around that much anger? "

lbomb wrote on May 8, 2008 8:42 AM:

" Hey Shadow. Your comments are inappropriate and out of line. While I am not a believer, being meanspirited does not add anything useful to the conversation. "

lbomb wrote on May 8, 2008 8:29 AM:

" HD. I would sugest it is the coach that needs to go elsewhere, like a private religous school where the students chose to attend and get religion.

Look in the grand picture, this is not a big deal; I might suggest the coach can hold non-demonational motivation sessions where "non-believers" can particiapte; or hold her bible studies off campus where attendance is really voluntary. "

Shadow wrote on May 8, 2008 8:27 AM:

" Christianity will ooze its way into just about any venue it can like the vile slime that it is. All they are interested in is recruiting recruiting recruiting. They remind me of the Borg from Star Trek. You Will Be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile. "

Young & Open Minded wrote on May 8, 2008 8:04 AM:

" Anchor,

I would disagree that removing religion will cause more problems than it solves.

I am a better person today than I was when I was a Christian. I honestly feel that the two have a direct correlation. And it's been my experience that many of the best human beings I've ever known do not practice (or believe in) any religion. Most of the largest and most catastrophic events throughout history were because of religion.

Mr. Harris, good letter but was it really necessary? I'm glad it was brought forward, but knowing several of the women on the team I doubt anyone felt uncomfortable. And I would also be surprised if Robin wouldn't listen if someone came to her and said they were. "

HD wrote on May 8, 2008 7:56 AM:

" To lbomb: I would agree with you when it comes down to things like Highschool and Gradeschool, students dont have as much choice. There are WAY more choice for college. Even lots of "instate" choices. Instead of continuting to complain about something I didnt like I would take my money and go elsewhere. "

HD wrote on May 8, 2008 7:44 AM:

" To: HRPuffinstuff; is your reply back to me the best thing you can think of? you might as well have said "I know you are but what am I". That was weak. And just to straighten things out. Me saying "leave people alone" is not trying to force a change on someone elses life. This writing wanting something removed when obviously the majority doesnt mind having it, is selfish. Welcome to a democracy. Majority rule. "

lbomb wrote on May 7, 2008 10:21 PM:

" Hey HD, your comment "that being said if the athlete was so unhappy go play somewhere else" is exactly why religion should be kept out of public insitutions. Students at public schools should not be put in that position. Dont you get it??

As a nonchristian that went to public school in a mostly christian suburb, I know what it feels like to be made to feel different. Every year you had Christmas and Easter programs and got vacations for your holidays. If government is supposed to be neutral to religion, why was there nothing for my holidays.

It is easy for the majority to say "just shut up and deal with it" but it is wrong and none of you will ever understand until you are in the minority.

"

lbomb wrote on May 7, 2008 10:00 PM:

" To MRS. your comment that "Homosexuals don't believe God so how could they be a member of Bible believing Christians?" is really an outrageous statement, even to a straight man. How many homosexuals do you really know? I am sure all of them would be insulted by your comment. I hope there are two heavans because I really dont want to spend eternity with people like you. "

frank wrote on May 7, 2008 9:53 PM:

" CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW ESTABLISHING A RELIGION OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF... This amendment to the constitution has 2 parts... Part one says CONGRESS shall make no law establishing a religion, which means that CONGRESS cannot make any religion a national religion (such as the Church of England in England at that time...) Part two says CONGRESS shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion... Congress cannot interfere with my ability to practice any religion I choose.

The constitution goes on to say that any responsibilities not given to the federal government belongs to the state... I do not believe that the state of Illinois has passed any law interfering with my religion, so why does ISU have an obligation to protect the adult athletes from FCA??? "

Anchor wrote on May 7, 2008 2:29 PM:

" Does anyone know if any ISU players, staff, or coaches are forced to participate in any form of religious activity? There seems to be a lot of comment implying people affiliated with ISU basketball are required to "sit through" or cope with religions teachings. I find it hard to trust this supposition. Seems a little far fetched. "

Anchor wrote on May 7, 2008 2:22 PM:

" I think if Mark Harris was honest with himself (and us) about this issue he would say this is not as big a concern as the recent trend of POOR behavior by college and professional athletes. Removing religion from every aspect of public life will cause more problems than it solves. Encouraging moral and thoughtful behavior is a positive in my eyes. "

BNHuman wrote on May 7, 2008 2:18 PM:

" So the coach does not have the right to exercise her religion? "

Jarhead71 wrote on May 7, 2008 12:20 PM:

" Oh, and instead of dissing on groups like FCA that mean you no harm, try being concerned about those that would just as soon kill you as to look at you. In the grand scheme of things, the FCA is a group of nice people. Perhaps if you had ever ventured out of your protected little, insignificant life in the USA to someplace that has real dangers, you would find something important to complain about. "

Jarhead71 wrote on May 7, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Hey, "i said that" when in my post did I speak for any other Marines? If you are a Marine then you know about the USMC from first hand knowledge, as do I. Left-out-winger LIKE Mark called my "Baby killer" on ISU campus when I came home on leave more than once while in the Corps. I never once in my lice killed any babies. You attribute to Christians that which is not in the Christian faith and say it is so, when it is not. Just like you and those like you attributed that which is not true to Marines. Try appreciating your freedoms and stop criticizing others who think and feel differently than you. It will make life much more pleasant for you. "

lindini wrote on May 7, 2008 12:15 PM:

" Thanks HRPuffinstuff, you said it far better than I ever could have. Don't let them get you down, the crazys love to come out for something like this.

And Gwreck- I think your obsession with me is a bit unsettling. There is NOTHING in my comment at all that was against Christianty or personal liberty. In fact that was exactly OPPOSITE of what I said. Did you bother to read my post at all or are you just looking for my name now in order to attack? That is just lame. Get a new hobby dude. "

BigBrother wrote on May 7, 2008 11:50 AM:

" This letter reeks of personal agenda bias. Your letter seeks to deny student atheletes the freedom of religeon. Student atheletes have the right to their beliefs and the right to share those beliefs among their peers. Your agenda is to deny these atheletes their constitutional rights. Your personal agenda is to demand they stop fellowshipping because it may offend a person that is "Gay or Lesbian". The offensive person here is the writer of such biased garbage. Robin and all student atheletes have the right to make the choice for themselves and you or no other person has the right to deny them their constitutionally protected right. "

What The Hey wrote on May 7, 2008 10:39 AM:

" So did having the celebration reference the FCA really hurt anyone? Who posting here was really offended? Has it ruined your day or your outlook on life? Has it caused your taxes to go up? Has it affected your choice for President? There are real problems out there folks; this isn't one of them!! "

i said that wrote on May 7, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Jarhead71, please do not speak on behalf of all Marines. You should know better. "

HRPuffinstuff wrote on May 7, 2008 9:12 AM:

" okay, this is my last post, as it is obvious common sense is not welcome here....I only wanted to point out to Gwreck that the commenters you are slamming, like Lindini, said nothing bad about the Christian religion, and in fact stated that it was nice what the team was doing, as long as it didn't exclude other religions on the taxpayer's dime...and here you are a so-called Christian behaving like a belligerent ogre because they aren't falling all over themselves to become just like you. If being a Christian means being like you, then I'll bet there are hundreds of Christians that would prefer to check into other options. Good day, and good luck getting into that "Heaven" of yours with that kind of judgmental and condescending attitude. I doubt they'd want a wet blanket to spoil their fun. "

HRPuffinstuff wrote on May 7, 2008 8:56 AM:

" HD: You should take your own advice stated in the last line of your comment. "

HRPuffinstuff wrote on May 7, 2008 8:55 AM:

" Countrygirl: Funny you should ask, I got that idea from READING the letter we are commenting on. And it wasn't a tirade, it's a legitimate concern. Not once did I state that anyone was kicked of the team for not practicing, I stated that it's unfair to have to sit through these little bible studies the coach conducts when you do not have the same beliefs, and especially since that is not the reason for the BASKETBALL practice. But, thanks for twisting my post around into something wrong and horrible - that makes you look REALLY smart! "

HRPuffinstuff wrote on May 7, 2008 8:53 AM:

" Twin2: One or two players thanking God for a win is very different from turning basketball practice into Christian-based Bible study. Funny how some people who don't agree with certain comments twist remarks around so they can slam them with their own words - but nobody remembers the part of the post that says there's nothing wrong with being Christian - as there's nothing wrong with being Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, etc. Public university is no place to force only one option of religion on student athletes. Private Christian college would be the place to go for that. In answer to an earlier (ridiculous) question: no, I didn't poll players for religious preferences - Did you? It's condescending, and elitist, to assume all players believe the Christian faith in the same way as the rest. It's unfair to have to practice beliefs when they do not match your own, just to be able to play basketball at a PUBLIC university. This is pointless, I'll never get anywhere with these people....they believe their religion is right, everyone else is wrong. How sad to live life that way. "

HRPuffinstuff wrote on May 7, 2008 8:49 AM:

" Twenty Two: And you are assuming that everyone on the team is Christian....so you are guilty of the very same thing. My post was not a tirade, but a legitimate concern. Not everyone practices the same religious beliefs. There is no one "correct" religion, no matter what some Christian zealots would like people to believe. "

Jarhead71 wrote on May 7, 2008 8:29 AM:

" Mark, you and the rest of the left-out-wingers here amuse me in a dark sort of way. Your rationale is identical to disliking Marines and the USMC because they brainwash young people to become killing machines. You have never been a Marine, so you do not know the truth about them. You dislike or hate Christians and Christianity for whatever your irrational, inaccurate and erroneous reasons are. Marines are not killing machines, they are people. Christians are not evil in the world, they are only evil in your world. Both Marines and Chrisitans are the reason you all have the freedoms to talk badly about them and others. You are sadly, too funny. "

Country Girl wrote on May 7, 2008 8:08 AM:

" To HRPuffinstuff: WOW what a tirade. Noone has been kicked off the team for not participating and where do you get they spend more time in prayer and bible lessons than practice. I played basketball at a private Bible college. We had prayer and bible lessons and they didn't even come close to the time spent in practice. We didn't have as much time in practice as a State University because we didn't even have a weight room. Know what you are talking about before you go spewing your venom "

HD wrote on May 7, 2008 8:00 AM:

" Yes, University's are public however, there are many to choose from, I belive universities are able to teach and preach as much as they would like, as long as it is not "forced" there were several classes at my university that taught religion. I simply chose not to take them. If you are so unhappy quit attending. Its as easy as that. Its not like ISU feeds into the WNBA, that being said if the athlete was so unhappy go play somewhere else. Stop trying to change other peoples lives just to please you! "

Not so Political wrote on May 7, 2008 7:14 AM:

" When I wqs in high school we had a coach that had everyone say the lords pray before each game and after. it was a good thing we went un defeated 2 years in a roll. I wish the coach had never left the scholl would have had a great team for years. "

TwentyTwo wrote on May 7, 2008 6:53 AM:

" HRPuff, did you take a poll of the ISU womens b-ball team to see WHO was there and WHO wasnt? Did you interview those that werent there to see WHY they werent there? Or maybe, just maybe , all chose to be there? State the facts only if you know or where there to know. I tire of the assumptions made here on this messase board. Your opinion likely is not the majority concerning this particular issue... "

Meh wrote on May 7, 2008 6:24 AM:

" The Artful Dodger, if only Christians actually followed the Christ depicted in their Bible. Most of them appear to follow a combination of Mr. Burns and John Wayne's movie characters. "

Mark802 wrote on May 7, 2008 5:02 AM:

" Twin 2 writes: "Since you are not paying for these women's education or the coach's salary what do you care? " Actually, as taxpayers we are paying. ISU is a public university. Isn't it the duty of a public university to maintain a religion-neutral environment in the programs it sponsors? The job responsibilities of a coach should not include promoting their particular religious perspective. That's not the same thing as saying they don't have freedom of speech as an individual in regard to their religion. These issues deserve to be discussed. As the letter writer, I hope it's clear they are not a personal attack on a talented coach or the FCA rep. "

MRS. wrote on May 7, 2008 2:19 AM:

" What are you talking about? Of course a Christian church that believes God and The Bible is the infallible word of God wouldn’t be having homosexuals on staff. That is like saying an atheist meeting must have a Baptist preacher say a prayer at their meeting. In most churches to be a staff member one is a member of the church. When you become a member of a church or any group it usually means you agree with the philosophy and mission of that church or group. Homosexuals don't believe God so how could they be a member of Bible believing Christians? I think these women are old enough to know if they didn't want to participate they don't have to and I know they are old enough to call someone like ACLU if they thought they were being discriminated against. "

gal220 wrote on May 7, 2008 12:32 AM:

" Mark, are you really concerned for the athletes? Or do you just want your opinion to be heard? I suggest if you are truly concerned, go talk to Robin or the FCA rep in town and talk with them, instead of going through a third party (the Pantagraph). It's their life purpose, to impact lives for Christ. What is your life purpose? Because whatever it is, I would hope you are as bold and go after it as much as they are. It's what gives life meaning - so let people be free, we live in America. "

Twin2 wrote on May 7, 2008 12:00 AM:

" So what! I doubt anyone forced these women to do something against their wills. I have seen many different times on national television when internationally known players take time to thank God or Jesus for a victory. Since you were there in person why didn't you talk to the players if you were so concerned or offended by their behavior? I guess you would call it freedom of speech. Thank goodness this organization still believes what America was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Since you are not paying for these women's education or the coach's salary what do you care? "

OGS wrote on May 6, 2008 11:42 PM:

" When there seems to be no hope (as in many of the ISU teams) sometimes prayer is all that is left. So pray. SO what? "

HRPuffinstuff wrote on May 6, 2008 4:50 PM:

" There's nothing wrong with faith and hope, but did anybody at least consider that not everybody who wants to participate on the team has the same religious beliefs? It doesn't seem fair to have the Christian religion takes up more time than actual basketball activities. It would be one thing if this was a private, Christian College - where the attendees are more likely to share the same religious beliefs. But ISU is a school open to the general population, with students attending from all walks of life, varied cultures, backgrounds, and religions. So, to turn this school's women's basketball team into more of a "Christian Youth Group setting" only serves the interests of a fraction of the school's population - Think of the amazing players that may not participate, or are discouraged from it because of differing religious beliefs. There's nothing wrong with being a Christian. But it's wrong to discriminate against other religions. And forcing a varied group of individuals to practice the same religious beliefs in order to be on this University basketball team is discriminatory. And why Christian based? Why not Muslim, or Jewish? "

The Artful Dodger wrote on May 6, 2008 4:41 PM:

" All you right thinking non-believers might want to stay away from those Christinan people. I hear they practice strange rituals at odd hours while normal people are still in bed-nursing hangovers. Following the teachings of a profit who spoke no evil could interfere with your debauchery, depravity, and drunkenness just as it does mine. Beware! "

LOL Liberal (:-D) wrote on May 6, 2008 3:55 PM:

" There is nothing wrong with injecting religion into a program like this, as long as it's Buddhism. "

theProf wrote on May 6, 2008 2:28 PM:

" so the athletes dont seem to have a problem, the coaches dont, and the administration doesnt, yet some random guy who isnt affected by it does....hmm this guy needs a life, its called freedom of religion they can practice if they want...and they dont have to practice religion if they dont want to, apparently they choose too... "

Econodude wrote on May 6, 2008 2:08 PM:

" Funny how some here are calling this "promotion of" or "pushing" religion. (Actually this is nothing more than the free excercise of religion.) Then some go on to say that the activity is acceptable PROVIDED THAT the activity doesnt' occur "at the taxpayer's dime" or "not using public funds"

Congress constitutionally can make no law prohibiting the "free excercise" of religion, but it seems some individuals here think they know better and want to stipulate under what conditions religion can be excercized. In effect, that deletes "free" from the clause. They think that any excericize of religion that conflicts with THEIR personal value system is unacceptable. That's exactly why we have a Constitution - so that personal biases don't override what is constitutionally/legally acceptable. "

Glad To Hear It wrote on May 6, 2008 1:59 PM:

" Go Lady Redbirds! Honor those who help you. Use YOUR freedom of speech (yes, even religious speech) to let your supporters know who is helping your form your lives and Who is developing your Team Spirit. The bigger concern for Mark should be his hunger to quiet freedom of religious speech in the public forum, in an obvious attack on the students' educated choice to voice their appreciation for an organization that has a positive impact on their lives. Is it really that irksome that young adults would be under the influence of Christianity when there are so many negative influences around campus? Thanks for holding on, ISU atheltes, while the community around you gets a grip. "

jimmy james wrote on May 6, 2008 1:09 PM:

" promotion of any religion has no place in college sports- especially a state school. but then again, sports has no real business being as "important" to the college experience as it is... except that, just like religion, it is precisely that- a business. get used to having christianity shoved down your throat as it creeps in and invades every corner of our culture by force. jebus loves me, this i know... for the balance sheet tells me so. ;) "

gwreck wrote on May 6, 2008 11:31 AM:

" MEH AND LINDINI, Two of my favorite airheaded liberals. I look so forward to hearing the next ridiculous remarks that come off your keyboards. You oppose religion, you oppose people who stand up for what they think is right, yet seldom do we ever hear anything positive from you two. I must say the times that we have it has been in agreement with something completely over the top, and exceeds the lines of good taste and intelligence. "

Meh wrote on May 6, 2008 11:00 AM:

" gwreck, "trying to convince not to be a Christian"... lol. You act like everyone is dying to be a Christian but the evil atheist liberals won't let them. "

gwreck wrote on May 6, 2008 9:52 AM:

" Hey Mark it is none of your business. You say you enjoy the games and support the team, so what is your problem? I see nothing wrong with bringing faith, hope, and a spiritual atmosphere into organized sports. It is liberal belly rubbers such as yourself going to the extreme writing a letter to the Pantagraph, crying about these things that I find extremely disturbing. The players ie students obviously do not have a problem with this, so why are taking it upon yourself to be the voice of concern. Coach Pingeton has done an outstanding job in coaching these ladies and has brought them together as a team. That is all that should concern you, of course unless you have a daughter on the team that you are trying to convice not to be a Christian. "

lindini wrote on May 6, 2008 9:40 AM:

" I agree it is creepy and boarderline but I can't see any reason they can not gather and do what they like as long as it is not a requirement for being on the team and they are not using any public funds. If there truly is no social pressure and everyone agrees it is ok I say don't make a fuss for fuss sake. Life is about picking your battles. I know a lot of christians who are pretty open minded (unlike the weirdos here on the blog) and have trouble believing they would exclude anyone for not attending prayer meetings. "

Meh wrote on May 6, 2008 8:47 AM:

" BJR, it is a horrible thing to push your particular brand of religious morals on the taxpayer's dime. Save your preaching for church. "

BJR wrote on May 6, 2008 7:39 AM:

" Geez, it is a horrible thing to push morals. I am pretty sure that just because an athlete missed a bible study session did not cause her to not be able to play. The FCA has done a lot of good things. Bobby Bowden has won how many national titles in Football and is a long time member. This is just another reason for another liberal wonder to complain about. I am white, do you think the black student union would allow me as president? I am not writing a letter to the editor to complain. Man, someone must have too much time on their hands. "

buckeye wrote on May 6, 2008 6:50 AM:

" The contact I have had with FCA has been nothing but positive . They respect all peoples religion or lack thereof , they do not discrmnate aginst anyone for any reason. Race ,sexual orientation , The young people attending choose to be there and thoes that dont particapate are not made to feel uncomfortable . The group provides guidance to these young superstars and keeps them grounded in reality. Most of the ministers are athleates themselves and can relate to the unique problems such talent bring into your life . In this age where athleates are treated special and many young athleates get into trouble the FCA helps guide these young folks . My son and his teammates have benifited from contact with these folks they put in the time and effort to help them and ask nothing in return. The athleats giving the CFA an award for there contribution to a winning season is testament to there effectiveness. "

Kevin wrote on May 6, 2008 6:40 AM:

" i think it's nice. there is no concern. good job Robin "

MonkeySweater wrote on May 6, 2008 5:53 AM:

" Having god involved is a strategic move on the part of the coaches. Jebus is always on the side of the winning team. You never see the losing team thanking god for getting their butts handed to them. "

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