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Lesbian kiss at ballpark stirs up gay-friendly town
By Manuel Valdes
Associated Press
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SEATTLE -- Most of the time, a kiss is just a kiss in the stands at Seattle Mariners games. The crowd hardly even pays attention when fans smooch. But then last week, a lesbian complained that an usher at Safeco Field asked her to stop kissing her date because it was making another fan uncomfortable.

The incident has exploded on local TV, on talk radio and in the blogosphere and has touched off a debate over public displays of affection in generally gay-friendly Seattle.

“Certain individuals have not yet caught up. Those people see a gay or lesbian couple and they stare or say something,” said Josh Friedes of Equal Rights Washington. “This is one of the challenges of being gay. Everyday things can become sources of trauma.”

As the Mariners played the Boston Red Sox on May 26, Sirbrina Guerrero and her date were approached in the third inning by an usher who told them their kissing was inappropriate, Guerrero said.

The usher, Guerrero said, told them he had received a complaint from a woman nearby who said that there were kids in the crowd of nearly 36,000 and that parents would have to explain why two women were kissing.

“I was really just shocked,” Guerrero said. “Seattle is so gay-friendly. There was a couple like seven rows ahead making out. We were just showing affection.”

On Monday, Mariners spokeswoman Rebecca Hale said that the club is investigating but that the usher was responding to a complaint of two women “making out” and “groping” in the stands.

“We have a strict non-discrimination policy at the Seattle Mariners and at Safeco Field, and when we do enforce the code of conduct it is based on behavior, not on the identity of those involved,” Hale said.

The code of conduct — announced before each game — specifically mentions public displays of affection that are “not appropriate in a public, family setting.” Hale said those standards are based on what a “reasonable person” would find inappropriate.

Guerrero denied she and her date were groping each other, saying that along with eating garlic fries, they were giving each other brief kisses.

On Tuesday, Guerrero said a Mariners director of guest services had apologized to her. The team spokeswoman could not immediately confirm that.

After the story broke, the Mariners were blasted by the sex-advice columnist Dan Savage, who wrote about the incident on the blog of the Stranger, an alternative weekly paper.

“I constantly see people making out,” Savage said. “My son has noticed and asked, ‘Do they show the ballgame on women’s foreheads?”‘

Savage called for a “kiss-in” to protest against the Mariners.

Web sites have been swamped with blog postings for and against Guerrero and her date. And the story has people talking in Seattle.

“I would be uncomfortable” seeing public displays of affection between lesbians or gay men, said Jim Ridneour, a 54-year-old taxi driver. “I don’t think it’s right seeing women kissing in public. If I had my family there, I’d have to explain what’s going on.”

“It all depends on the degree,” Mark Ackerman said as he waited for a hot dog outside Safeco Field before Wednesday’s game. “Even for heterosexual couples.”

Since the incident, Guerrero’s job and her past have come under scrutiny. She works at a bar known for scantily clad women and was a contestant on the MTV reality show “A Shot at Love With Tila Tequila,” in which women and men compete for the affection of a bisexual Internet celebrity.

“People are saying it’s 15 more minutes for my career,” Guerrero said of the ballpark furor, “but this is not making me look very good.”

In 2007, an Oregon transit agency chief apologized after a lesbian teenager was kicked off a bus when a passenger complained about her kissing another girl.

Also in 2007, a gay rights group protested a Kansas City, Mo., restaurant they said ejected four women because two of them kissed, and a Texas state trooper was placed on probation in 2004 for telling two gay men who were kissing at the state Capitol that homosexual conduct was illegal in Texas.

“There’s a double standard. That’s the bottom line,” said Pat Griffin, director of the It Takes a Team! Education Campaign, an initiative from the Women’s Sports Foundation to eliminate homophobia in sports.

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Sirbrina Guerrero stands in front of the Seattle Mariners' ballpark Tuesday. Guerrero was admonished while watching a game at the park a week earlier by an usher who told her and Guerrero's date that it was inappropriate that the two women should be kissing. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)
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Country Boy wrote on Jun 19, 2008 8:05 AM:

" this talk of dating and loving is making me all warm & fuzzy inside... "

The Peanut Gallery wrote on Jun 19, 2008 5:57 AM:

" AD II -

If I ever need a 'dating tip' I doubt that I'll seek your advice. "

Oh, behave... wrote on Jun 19, 2008 4:49 AM:

" A teenager often says, "If you loved me you'd let me....or give me..." A parent will sometimes say, "I love you too much to let you...." Some things are harmful. God tries to protect us from them. When Christians "thump" their Bible, it really is an indication that they care for your soul. Most don't enjoy getting verbally beat up but they risk it, out of love and concern for others' souls. You may find it irritating, offensive, etc., but take a moment and realize their motivation. Salvation is through faith, not good works, so their motive in witnessing to you comes out of love and concern. It's a whole lot easier not to care about others. Christians are like the big sister who knows that, if you do something, you're gonna get in trouble with your Father, so they repeatedly urge you not to sin, hoping to save you from a very "big spanking" to come. Doubt their truth if you must, but don't doubt their motives. "

Oh, behave... wrote on Jun 19, 2008 4:37 AM:

" With freedom of choice came freedom to choose sin. God wanted genuine love from us. Remember the saying, "If you love someone, let them go. If they love you, they'll be back. If they don't return, they never really loved you, anyway"? That's God. Genuine, love with its choice to accept or reject is better than automatic obedience. God created us, and, whether we love him, hate him, are perplexed by, angered by him, or don't believe in him, he's still no less God, and we will all meet him one day. Deal with it. BTW, no one can earn Heaven by good works. Good works come out of a desire to live like Christ. If we live to know and love Christ better, then he saves us, by his grace. "

AD II wrote on Jun 18, 2008 2:39 PM:

" Heh, Peanut Gallery said "encphalo-procto inversion". That's funny! How many points did you score on scrabble for that one?! BTW, I believe you mean encephalo (of the brain). Dating tip: Don't talk like that! Good one though...for a kid. "

The Peanut Gallery wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:53 PM:

" AD II :

" A smooch should be it, no making out! But this homophobia has me worried. No where did it say in the story that these women were seeking to shock anyone... "

You have a serious case of encphalo-procto inversion. Why did they commit this stunt at a ball game? Do they have to have a neon sign over their heads flashing the words 'intentional shock value' before you will see it? Good grief! "

lizzie wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:25 PM:

" To the Peanut Gallery:

No where in the article did it say they were trying to get attention nor did it say anything about shock value.

It said: A woman complained about kissing and groping and Sirbina stated they were just kissing between garlic fries. She also got an apology. Sounds to me like the woman who complained was uncomfortable with two women kissing in public. "

AD II wrote on Jun 18, 2008 9:26 AM:

" I agree with everyone about PDA. A smooch should be it, no making out! But this homophobia has me worried. No where did it say in the story that these women were seeking to shock anyone, and I know several gay men and women and never have they claimed to PDA for shock value. I’m in a interracial relationship, and I know many people don’t agree with that sort of thing, could I face the same harassment? And honestly, we shouldn’t we have to explain to our children that homosexuality is as much a reality as blue eyes and baby making? I mean it’s not going to go away, accept it and don’t make it such a taboo that impressionable people (yes, I’m speaking to bisexuals…Tila is straight!!!) find it appealing. "

The Peanut Gallery wrote on Jun 18, 2008 6:55 AM:

" lizzie

While I agree with your comments about 'PDA' you overlook the fact that this woman and her 'friend' were TRYING to shock and disturb those around them. Then they could feign outrage when people actually reacted to their charade. And so the story unfolded... "

lizzie wrote on Jun 17, 2008 9:30 AM:

" I'm with VZbb on this one. I don't care who is with whom; snogging should be private. Short kisses, hugs fine, otherwise - get a room. :-) "

vzbb wrote on Jun 13, 2008 4:21 PM:

" PDA is gross, no matter who does it if you ask me. Hugging and little kisses are ok. I hate it when I go somewhere and you see couples making out and groping eachother. It's really uncomfortable... "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 13, 2008 8:05 AM:

" so you can use "pathetic & juvenile" and that isnt considered name calling? "

The Peanut Gallery wrote on Jun 13, 2008 6:41 AM:

" To Country Boy

Of course you can respond with counter-opinion. I would hope that you could do so without being dismissive or name-calling. Perhaps you can't. YOU decide. "

incognito wrote on Jun 12, 2008 2:38 PM:

" Isn't this about the appropriateness of Public Displays of Affection?

Whatever couple is participating in PDA (regardless of the gender make-up of the couple) - there is a certain limit of appropriateness most of us learn early from our families and our Peers NOT in Sunday School, nor in the Bible.... That is where the expression "get a room" comes from.... (unless I missed that passage in the Bible).

Where in the Bible is PDA discussed, where is God quoted as being for or against PDA? Perhaps this whole chain of thought is meant to be discussed elsewhere? "

Govt oppressed Mule wrote on Jun 12, 2008 12:26 PM:

" TO MRS:

Again, not to appear to be attacking YOU (more just your stance) but you said "He did say Pray in your closet meaning we... " It appears a lot of your arguements are based solely on YOUR interpretation of the Bible. So your INTERPRETATION of God's word is simply homosexuality is wrong. My interpretation of his word is "Regardless of how someone acts love them." The whole meaning of the Bible can change based upon interpretation. For instance in the English version of the Bible "virgin" means a woman "untouched", but in Hebrew (the language the Bible was written in) "virgin" means a young woman (usually meant to imply a young "untouched" woman, but doesn't exclusively mean "untouched") So based on the Jewish interpretation Jesus could have been born from a man's seed. And even if he was, does it change who he was or his message? No, but I guarantee you, or other close-minded Christians (not all, as the true Christians will understand this) will start arguing whole heartedly against this, but just because you may disagree doesn't make it any less true. "

Gov't oppressed Mule wrote on Jun 12, 2008 11:43 AM:

" TO: MRS

I hate the fact G Larson beat me to the punch. But if God din't create sin then who did? Satan? But if Satan was able to create something against God's will then doesn't that make him just as strong or stronger? And by saying that isn't that fighting against the very thing in which you believe? Here lies the conundrum I have been trying to point out for awhile, but the "Christian" church fails to realize. This is the very reason I have stopped attending church. Also you seem to interpret JC being against homosexuality because he made a reference to MAN and his WIFE, but I interpret the "pray" in your own closewt to mean, don't be a "bible thumper". Worship your God in the privacy of your own home, but don't try to force it on others. Teach his word but if it's rejected then let it be, don't beat everyone over the head with your philosophies just because they differ ESPECIALLY when they follow the same message, just a DIFFERENT version. "

G. Larson wrote on Jun 12, 2008 10:21 AM:

" Yep, that's pretty much it, something that the like of "MRS." simply cannot explain, and yet can still continue to call consistent and linear. If God did not create sin, WHO DID? And if ANYONE or ANYTHING besides God Himself is responsible for the existence of sin, then God IS NOT the "Creator", He is but one of several creators, and therefore is not the One and Only God, as His power is apparently shared by other agents. There SIMPLY IS NO OTHER WAY. In no logical or reasonable fashion can God be Absolute Creator, and also tell us "sin" is the opposite of Him, that He cannot tolerate its existence. How can you not tolerate the existence of something you yourself brought into being? "

Scapegoat wrote on Jun 12, 2008 10:00 AM:

" Mrs. - God fearing? Why fear a compassionate God you believe in and love and that loves you in return?

Personally, even when I was a Christian by the standard definition of the word, I never understood how the Almighty could create the entirety of the cosmos but couldn't be held responsible for the creation of sin. It always made more sense to me that God was providing such temptation (through the fallen angel) to force us to earn our places in Heaven by living good lives.

I also failed to understand why Almighty God, if He was so concerned about it, would not simply be able to remove sin and humankind's knowledge of sin rather than filtering it through the death of Jesus? Why not simply say "Repent, and through Me (not My son) all your sins will be washed away"? Answer, perhaps - every lasting religion needs a martyr.

If you want an interesting viewpoint on religion, then I highly recommend reading Milton's Paradise Lost. Difficult to interpret in places, but absolutely worth it. "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 12, 2008 8:11 AM:

" peanut gallery, so the thumpers can sit here and call us all sinners and that we are going to hell but we cant respond back? this is an opinion page, they give theirs, we give ours... "

The Peanut Gallery wrote on Jun 12, 2008 6:48 AM:

" to The Original JD

Your attempts to insult and dismiss 'bible thumpers' are pathetic and juvenile. Those people have the same right to offer their opinions as you do. While you may disagree with their philosophy, they are entitled to pursue that philosophy, even if it is based on their religious beliefs. Name-calling is fit for an elementary-school playground, not a discussion site. "

MRS. wrote on Jun 12, 2008 2:52 AM:

" RE:Gov't oppressed Mule: Yes He did say Pray in your closet meaning we are not to brag an boast about praying> Sometimes we say I'll be praying for you, that is not what He was talking about. This does come back to the thing about a moment of silence and people were afraid it may be used for prayer. A Christian can pray any time any where without anyone knowing about. Pastors pray in church for Guidance in delivering His sermon. We all (hopefully) are praying the sermon touch our hearts, we pray for understanding and yes, we pray if there is an unsaved person in the congregation we pray the sermon at the very least leads them to ask questions and hopefully lead him/her to the Lord. That said, we cannot save anyone, we aren't worthy of that. As for hypocrites, it is my belief you will find more hypocrites in church than anywhere else. You will also find some of the most loving, God fearing souls there. I believe I have “heard some of them in these posts” "

Brenstalka wrote on Jun 12, 2008 1:13 AM:

" More like "stirs up my pants". "

The Original JD wrote on Jun 11, 2008 6:36 PM:

" Sorry country boy, but it is impossible to stop bible thumpers when they have a rather captive audience. Sure, the majority do not care to read it. Sure, it does not good no matter how hopeful the thumper is. Sure, it has nothing to do with the article. They will just thump and thump, thinking that if they annoy enough people they will be able to buy their way into heaven. Christians wonder why they have such a bad rep? Just look at all the posts here, which have nothing to do really with the article, and are nothing short than an attempt to force their religion on others. "

MRS. wrote on Jun 11, 2008 5:26 PM:

" RE:Country Boy: Now you have it, He will if you ask. "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 11, 2008 4:19 PM:

" Please just make the thumping stop! "

MRS. wrote on Jun 11, 2008 3:32 PM:

" He died for OUR sins, yours, mine and every one’s. We were not alive under the law. God also said follow man's law, and it is against the law to beat children, stone people or any of the other things that some enjoy playing with. If you will look, the sins of the Old Testament are also spoken of in the NT. Retired Farmer's Wheaton College also shares the exact same views as I and most born again Bible believing Christians. I have a copy of their mission statement. Jesus' crucifixion set aside God's law but it did not negate sin with no action on our part. cont. don't fail me now pantagraph "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 11, 2008 3:31 PM:

" Well as bad as MRS makes us all out to be maybe Jesus needs to hop on his holy roller and get down here to save us all! "

MRS. wrote on Jun 11, 2008 3:18 PM:

" RE:Gov't oppressed Mule:OK, I am not really sure which one you are talking about because I can not find a post from you at 3:23. It may be old eyes or it may be due to I fell and not doing well at the time. If you meant by my saying God did not creat Homosexuality, He didn't just as he didn't creat any sin. I reserched Retired Farmer's wheaton College and they seem to be in step whith Christ. We as christians are to love everyone, even praying for our enemies. God doesn't creat sin because it is His desire for all to be in heaven and sin cannot enter Heaven. He did provide a way, the only way to turn from sin and enter Heaven. If you were refering to the old testament yes, we are to believe all of the bible and if one would read very close they will see God saw that we as sinners couldn't follow His law so He sent his son to die for our sins. Think about that a min. cont "

Gov't oppressed Mule wrote on Jun 11, 2008 10:38 AM:

" TO: MRS

I like the fact you respond to one question I post but completely ignore the others. I truly would like an answer to the question posted on Jun 10, 2008 3:23 PM: Also I have one other question for you. If we are, as you claim, supposed to follow the Old Testament AND the new testament why then did the God in the Old Testament allow an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, yet the New Testament (Christ's teachings) teach us to turn the other cheek? Seems like a conflict to me. I again assert that if you read the Testamnet of Christ then you will understand he was speaking against the hypocrisy's of the church and instead taught to love each other. After all didn't he say "veryily I say unto you, when you pray to pray in a closet. For the person that prays on the street corner just wants recognition and they have already received their reward." "

Gov't oppressed Mule wrote on Jun 11, 2008 10:31 AM:

" They would rather crucify people who's opinion differ from theirs than to try to understand that they've been lied to. And Christ's teaching was Peace, Loving, and Understanding "

Gov't oppressed Mule wrote on Jun 11, 2008 10:31 AM:

" TO: G LARSON

That's a very good thought. I've always, personally, looked at it like God and Lucifer are playing a chess match with all of our lives. While Lucifer may be a "seperate entity" he is still the creation of God. While there may be free choice, he still knows what is going to happen, much like a teacher knows what choices his student will make. But looking at it like you stated also makes sense. There are many things I am against, but I am still guilty of indulging in them (i.e. shopping at Wal-Mart) maybe God to is "conciensly" (sp) against something but maybe a portion of his "personality" likes something. To ask these questions is good, as it makes you think of God but can't be answered and unfortunaley most Christians take the teaching of Christ as you have to be close minded and do as you are taught, but Christ was known for shaking up religion, for teaching that which the church deemed blasphemous. Maybe what we are discussing isn't blasphemy but a search for the truth that has been tainted by centuries of politics. Try convincing close minded MRS christians of that though. "

G. Larson wrote on Jun 11, 2008 9:20 AM:

" Mule: That's a major philosophical point I've tripped over - that if God were the Creator of absolutely everything, everything that "exists" does so strictly due to the Creator's creating, and there is no creator besides the One Creator; how then are there countless aspects of Creation that are, essentially, the literal antithesis of God? In Christian philosophy, "sin" is not a passive descriptor, it is an inherent quality that suggests a literal antithesis of God and Truth, and the suggestion is that "sin" is that which God "cannot allow to exist". And yet, as Creator, He created it, as it is. This, of course, extends all the way to "Satan", "Hell", and anything remotely "evil": all of it, according to Christian philosophy, MUST have been made AS IT IS by the Creator. We cannot argue "Satan twisted it", as that "twisting" would be itself a new creation, which is God's right only. The "evil potential" that a thing could be twisted into must also have been created by God. So it appears God is extremely self-hating and sabotages himself? Or is it, perhaps, that absolutely EVERYTHING in existence is a reflection of an aspect of the Creator? "

Scapegoat wrote on Jun 11, 2008 9:14 AM:

" It's difficult, Mrs., to have a "serious debate" with someone who seems to take a written interpretation of the divine assembled over 2000 years ago literally. Please see my 6/10, 11:32am post as to why this is unrealistic.

You refer people to a pastor for assistance in finding the "truth." Believe it or not, I've spoken with several enlightened pastors who understand the origins of their faith, use its literature as a historical/philosophical record, and appear stronger in their beliefs as a result. "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 11, 2008 7:46 AM:

" MRS, Thanks goodness (not god) you stopped typing! maybe now we can get the pounding and thumping of the Bible out of our heads! "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 10, 2008 4:23 PM:

" well I call flatulants "detestable" but thats just my opinion... "

MRS. wrote on Jun 10, 2008 4:07 PM:

" If the person chooses to continue in sin (what ever sin) and leave God out of their lives that is their choice. Now, as I said, I have gone way beyond what God expects of me. If I have planted a seed for just one person I am thrilled. If you or anyone else desires to hear the truth I suggest you talk to someone like a Pastor. This has turned into a childish gotcha game and I refuse to play childhood games. Read, seek and you will find. I wish every one of you a God filled experience, have wonderful day. I am not leaving but I will only respond to serious debates, not games.cont: "

MRS. wrote on Jun 10, 2008 3:40 PM:

" RE:Coutry Boy: Lev.18:12 in the NIv calls homosexuality detestable.In the New American bible it is called an abomination.And if you really want to research go to mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0318.htm There you can find not only the words in English but also in Hebrew if you know someone that can translate. and no, satan was thrown out of heaven because he wanted to be as equal to God, wanted the same power of God and that is impossible and I am very secure in my salvation but thank you for your concern. "

Gov't oppressed Mule wrote on Jun 10, 2008 3:24 PM:

" cont'd

So instead of condemning people on your interpretation of a speech that doesn't even mention that which you are arguing against, live the word of God and Jesus. Love thy neighbor as yourself. Judge not lest YE BE JUDGED. And one last note...Didn't God kick his favorite Angel out of heaven for speaking on behalf of God? Maybe you should be careful. "

Gov't oppressed Mule wrote on Jun 10, 2008 3:23 PM:

" TO: MRS

Not to be jumping on the bandwagon and appear to be attacking you, but you said "god did not create homosexuality" but if God is the ultimate creator (and I believe he is) then he created everything we experienced, including homosexuality. Now ONE bible verse may speak against homosexuality (Lev.) not saying Jesus wasn't talking against homosexuality but that verse you quoted can be interpretted as several things (depends on your frame of mind and the words you choose to emphasize) But didn't God give us a list of laws to be followed? (the Ten commandments in case you weren't following). Is this "abomination" listed? Hmm...makes you think. If it was such an "abomination" wouldn't he have mentioned it? Much like adultery, theft, etc... Seems to me that by God's own word homosexuality isn't a big deal. One other thing that G Larson has pointed to. The bible as it is now known was put together by Emperor Constantine in 300 AD. Certain text were left out and others added. What you are reading and quoting is very likely taken out of context. "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 10, 2008 1:33 PM:

" JimmyChooGirl wrote on Jun 10, 2008 1:20 PM:

" MRS...how are your lesbians today, did you feed them. *L* "

NOW THATS FUNNY!!!!! "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 10, 2008 1:32 PM:

" Again quoting Mrs "God did not create homosexuality, God created the person. God would not create that which He calls an abomination knowing the person could not enter heaven because sin cannot enter heaven. "

Where in the all mighty book of God does he say homosexuality is an "abomination"? "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Jun 10, 2008 1:20 PM:

" MRS...how are your lesbians today, did you feed them. *L* "

MRS. wrote on Jun 10, 2008 12:58 PM:

" RE:Govt oppressed Mule: God did not create homosexuality, God created the person. God would not create that which He calls an abomination knowing the person could not enter heaven because sin cannot enter heaven. A homosexual can repent, follow God's plan of salvation and be saved but that is the only way to Heaven for any of us. This is just a little of Jesus’ teaching. Jesus didn’t say the word homosexual but he also didn’t say the words pedifile, rape, wife beating or any number of names of sins but he sure did preach against them. In Ephesians: 31-33 He said this. let every man love HIS wife as himself and let the wife reverence HER husband. Not yelling, just emphasizing very important words. He also talked of Adam and Eve’s marriage. Nowhere in the bible did He talk about homosexual marriages. All of that said, back to the creation of the person. A homosexual can be saved. Jesus died for ALL sin and believe me I am the biggest sinner there is. I am nothing more than a sinner saved by the Grace of God but that is the important difference. "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 10, 2008 12:37 PM:

" MRS, I dont know if Jesus is a spiritual homosexual but you sure are making him out as a spiritual homophobe! "

G. Larson wrote on Jun 10, 2008 12:00 PM:

" Once again, I must reiterate that YOU SAID, right here on this thread, which is clearly documented and can be read, copied, cut, and pasted, "if he would have simply asked God for forgiveness and accept Jesus as his savior nobody would care what he use(d) to do". YOU SAID THAT!! In what way do you suggest I made that up? YOU SAID IT! Are you completely insane? Just scroll down the page, I've even QUOTED IT MYSELF TWICE NOW!! So, for the last time, how the heck do you suggest that "if he would have simply asked God for forgiveness and accept Jesus as his savior nobody would care what he use to do" (your words!! YOURS!). What you are clearly saying is exactly what I elaborated on: That I can rape, murder, torture, molest, do ANYTHING, and as long as I "become saved", "nobody would care what (I) used to do". That is, simply and without any other possibility, what YOU said. Its all right there, in your posts. All I do is "copy" and "paste" them into mine. Understand? "

G. Larson wrote on Jun 10, 2008 11:52 AM:

" MRS., the only lack of comprehension is on your side. Don't confuse your ineptitude at explaining your views with my lack of comprehension. Now, please try to follow, as I've been repeatedly and clearly QUOTING YOUR VERY WORDS. YOU SAID "God says it is wrong" (your words are documented on this very site). I ask you right now, WHERE ARE THE WORDS OF GOD HIMSELF SAYING HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG? You DID NOT say "Jesus mentioned...", you said, "God said homosexuality is wrong". It is clear, and you are wrong. I am asking you to quote God Himself. Your post does nothing but continue to prove me right, as you have yet to present the words of God Himself saying, "homosexuality is wrong", or any remote variation of. If you are suggesting that the term "God" refers to "Jesus", you need a serious refresher on Basic Christianity 101. Granted, the concept of the Trinity is a little vague, but in no way are the Biblical references to "God" meaning "Jesus of Nazareth". You are clearly confused in regards to the fundamental basics of your supposed religion. "

vzbb wrote on Jun 10, 2008 11:46 AM:

" I went to a cubs game about a month ago and there was a couple in front of us (man/woman) that was making out full-on, we were so disgusted by it. Honestly don't do that at a ball game, no making out, no groping, (which is something else they were doing) I mean I kissed my boyfriend but I wasn't jamming my tongue down his throat. But if it had been man/man or woman/woman I would have been grossed out just the same! Nobody wants to see that!! LOL "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 10, 2008 11:44 AM:

" MRS, I still do not believe you answered G Larsons question... "

Scapegoat wrote on Jun 10, 2008 11:32 AM:

" Quotes can be pulled at random from the Bible to support about any position, Christian or otherwise, that one wishes to support. If I had my Bible and notes with me, I could point out several passages of contradiction, or at the very least arguable clarity, between the four gospels of the New Testament alone. And let's not even get started on the twin creation stories of the OT's Genesis.

It's what happens when a book of faith is compiled and refined over a couple hundred years by men with various political aims. Read some of the Gnostic Gospels (and related texts). The Jesus therein is radically different, and you'll see the reason why such gospels were not included in the final draft. Hence taking the Bible as a literal transcription of the word of God/Jesus/the Holy Spirit is unrealistic. It is an interpretation of humankind's search for the divine, same as the pagan religious texts before it and the ones that will come after. "

Govt oppressed Mule wrote on Jun 10, 2008 9:51 AM:

" TO MRS:

I'm not saying God is gay, I'm not saying that at all. But if Jesus Christ was God. And God created all, then Jesus Christ created the homosexual, there might be a little gay in us all. "

MRS. wrote on Jun 9, 2008 9:17 PM:

" I just did about 2 min. of research so here goes G. Larson.Jesus never mentioned pedophilic,bestality,cannelbolisim,rape,wife beating and a number of other sins either. What He did do was talk about the marriage of Adam and Eve, male and female. He also sain in Ephesians 5:31-33 let every one (man) so love HIS wife and the wife reverence HER husband. Your saying Jesus never referred to homosexuality and the other above sins mentioned He (Jesus) permits and accept them? Sir/Mam, if you are you are making Jesus a spiritual homosexual, something that will not go unnoticed. "

MRS. wrote on Jun 9, 2008 8:58 PM:

" You see G. Larson you do not comprehend. If a person, no matter what they have do seeks God, confesses his/her sin (to GOD ONLY) asks Jesus to come into their heart and save them, yes, they can be saved if they are serious and truly accept Jesus. I did not say that would make what they did ok. In case of a child molester they should be dealt with both with our laws and with god. Being saved doesn't excuse anyone from the law. (Man’s law) God is quite clear, anyone can be saved. God is faithful and just to forgive and save. Any sin can be forgiven. If one "accepts" Jesus and keeps right on sinning the same as before probably needs to do some soul searching. You see, the Holy Spirit convicts born again Christians and if a born again Christian thinks they can “get away” they are mistaken. Believe me, man cannot be nearly as sever to those that hurt children as what God can do. "

G. Larson wrote on Jun 9, 2008 4:46 PM:

" MRS., are you serious?! "...if he would have simply asked God for forgiveness and accept Jesus...nobody would care what he use(d) to do..." -so, as long as he claims Christianity, every person he hurt, every wound he caused, every life he scarred, none "would care" that he had? Seriously, you need to explain yourself, otherwise, any sane and rational person is obligated to call you simply nuts, not at all a healthy person. I can murder your entire family in front of you, and as long as I ask Jesus for forgiveness, you won't care? Fine, then, by your logic, not one single "sin" is a problem, as long as some day in the future one accepts Jesus, its all okay. Every murder, rape, all abuse and torture, none of it is wrong, as long as the perpetrator "becomes saved". On that note of profound idiocy, I challenge you to show me a quote of Jahova Himself, the Absolute Creator, the Great "I AM", saying homosexuality is wrong. If you are anything but a blatant liar, you will be able to do so, as you clearly stated several times on a couple threads that "God says it is wrong." "

FoxyRider6 wrote on Jun 9, 2008 4:41 PM:

" So we all go to a ball game to WATCH THE GAME right? Why not WATCH THE GAME!!! Mind your own business, and you wouldn't see the things you dont want to see. =) "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 9, 2008 4:29 PM:

" So do you think all those catholic priest's asked for forgiveness after taking the world away from all those little boys and young men? where was god when those children were crying? does he just have selective hearing? "

MRS. wrote on Jun 9, 2008 3:49 PM:

" You see The Original JD that is where you are wrong. If had been at that game true, I wouldn't like what I saw but it is their choice to do it Unless they were breaking any laws. I do not have to except it as normal or agree but if I knew in advance I have the choice of not going to the game. The same as a homosexual knows there is a pretty good chance the pastor might have a sermon about homosexuality. You see, that is what happens sometimes in church. It doesn't matter if they are uncomfortable, it is wrong, God says it is wrong and believers get their teachings from God believing, bible preaching pastors. A Bible believing pastor or any born again Christian doesn’t change because it might make someone uncomfortable. Shoot, I know a man that treated his wife bad and cheated on her thought their marriage quit going to church because of a sermon on those sins. You see, if he would have simply asked God for forgiveness and accept Jesus as his savior nobody would care what he use to do. "

The Original JD wrote on Jun 9, 2008 2:54 PM:

" The more I read the bible thumping, the more hypocritcal I see these people to be. They want to say that it is not alright for gay women to kiss in public (because it bothers them), but it is okay for them to repeatedly annoy many readers with their bible thumping, and do it on a daily basis. Why is it okay for bible thumpers to annoy people, but not be annoyed? "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Jun 9, 2008 2:19 PM:

" haligan - Is Anon blabbing out stupid phrases to you too? *L* He/she is doing the same thing to me on another post. It's like man if you want to have a debate let's debate...don't leave stupid little ANONorisms : ) "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 9, 2008 12:18 PM:

" thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump...
geez, I am gettin a headache. Can someone please pray to whomever to shut MRS up...please?!?!?!? "

haligan wrote on Jun 9, 2008 10:11 AM:

" Anon:
No, nor do I care, if you thought I did you completely missed the point of my post "

happyinillinois wrote on Jun 9, 2008 9:14 AM:

" If people are truly this worked up over this then why draw more attention to it by making it into a media frenzy. Seems to me people want alot of attention drawn to it. Get a life and worry about your self "

sbell11 wrote on Jun 8, 2008 9:50 PM:

" Amen JD!!!

ok, why are there 5 "gay" articles in the most commented stories?? WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are women who like women and men who like men, wooptie f'in doo! You people need lives! "

controller wrote on Jun 8, 2008 2:37 PM:

" To MRS.

I just want to give you some much needed respect for martyring yourself here on the Pantagraph comment sections. Oh the glorious rewards you will get in heaven! Your arguments are very compelling, but 'me thinks she protests too much'! "

Anon wrote on Jun 8, 2008 1:12 PM:

" Haligan:
Do you know the difference when the Bible says we are no longer under the law but under grace? "

Anon wrote on Jun 8, 2008 1:09 PM:

" I believe you are right Anchor.

We should not preach the gospel of Jesus Christ because we may offend someone. (Matthew 11:6).

We all can see how many people evangelists like Billy Sunday, DL.Moody and Billy Graham drove away from Jesus because they preached the word of God.

(Matthew 28: 19-20)

Remember:

Rev 3: 16 "

The Original JD wrote on Jun 8, 2008 12:51 PM:

" Why are people trying to turn this into a religious debate? This occured at a ball game, not a church. Before people attempt to link the two, they need to make sure they would be okay with someone coming into their church swinging a bat around, throwing things at people, and drinking in the pews. If someone is THAT worried about what they are going to see outside of their little religious bubble, they should not leave that bubble. The world is a large place, and your god is just not as important to many as it is to you. I bet the religious zealots would be outraged if someone was chastized for constantly speaking about the bible at the game. "

itsallrelative wrote on Jun 8, 2008 12:08 PM:

" I would like to think that someday soon we can get to a point where people won't feel they need to "explain" to their children why a man is kissing another man or a woman is kissing another woman. That particular display of affection is universal and if children see affection, they take it a such. Any explanation or reasoning given, would seem to suggest that there is a need for it. "

Cubfan24 wrote on Jun 8, 2008 9:57 AM:

" To The Peanut Gallery:
Show your "billiance" and come back in 10 years when you're old enough to talk to the adults. "

Kevin Olomon wrote on Jun 8, 2008 8:17 AM:

" I'm gonna do something a little different here- I'm gonna contribute a remark on the actual STORY.

I'm not a prude. I don't care who kisses who. But in public at a ball-game? Okay, under the right conditions- MAYBE one kiss is understandable. A second might even be forgivable... But repeated kisses? Gimme a break! Seems perhaps the ballgame was getting in the gals' way and cramping their style, and what they really ought to have done was head back out to their car or hotel room where they could really focus more on the matter at hand.

That said- I have one more remark: I have been at a high school softball tournament and was the unfortunate witness to a fairly intense husband/wife argument, and also a father/son argument- both right in the stands amongst folks who were trying to watch their kids play an important close game. The ball-park wasn't the proper locale for the lengthy, loud, dramatic disturbances these people caused. Some things are just better left dealt with behind one's own closed doors. "

haligan wrote on Jun 8, 2008 1:45 AM:

" MRS that is quality bible citing. I can see you are a fan of Leviticus. Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Did you also know that it is a sin to wear clothes that mix linen and wool? Lev 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee, but back to the evil homosexuals, here’s another Leviticus gem Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Put to Death??? Wasn’t there a rule about that? Oh ya…Lev 24:17 And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death. (how do you follow that rule without breaking it?) Wait, that’s confusing. If I kill a homosexual do I get a pass on that rule or not?? Oh well, gotta go check on the cows and make sure they aren’t gendering "

MRS. wrote on Jun 7, 2008 6:30 PM:

" You are absolutely correct. If a person doesn't want anything to do with God that is their choice. God doesn't say I have to save anyone. I can't. I have repeatedly said I am no better than anyone else, I am a sinner saved by grace, I do not know all God has in store. It is impossible for one that is not a child of God to understand because the Holy Spirit gives a child of God understanding. Actually, I am pretty illiterate about the Bible. I know the only way to the Father is thought the Son. If you don't want to accept that that is each individuals choice. I am to witness for God and there is no way to do it than with His words. I do not intend to slap anyone with the Bible but if you are going to discuss the bible it helps to use it. The only thing I am proud of is my relationship with God and as I have said before. I fail God when I try to do things my way and leave Him out of the discussion. "

anchor wrote on Jun 7, 2008 3:59 PM:

" To MRS....Pride, too, is a sin, Love. One (it appears) you are quite comfortable with. Are you sure your approach to evangelicalism is wise? Smacking people in the face with the "word" is seldom a successful way to bring people to God....that is what you are trying to do, right? Save people's souls? Because simply "flexing" and flaunting your religious understanding and your implied lack of sin would itself be a sinful act....Am I right? As a side note...you cannot save the sinner who does not want to be saved...it is wasted breath....you (men and women) cannot FORCE anyone to bow at the feet of the Almighty. "

MRS. wrote on Jun 7, 2008 3:25 PM:

" Oh good Lord, do you not know Jesus is one part of the Godhead? I believe my salvation is pretty safe. As for my proof reading, deal with it. If you "spaced out" then, I hope you aren't now. I am certainly not concerned about Satan. He is jabbing at me all the time. A poster earlier said I should have another post for me so most of these posts were either c&p or from another source so you see, some of the type o's aren't even mine. Try a little substance instead of attacks. "

Townie here... wrote on Jun 7, 2008 12:16 PM:

" MRS-Can you do us a favor and proofread? Also, you said, "Jesus is the Creator of all"...um, NO HE'S NOT! Having spaced out during Sunday school for the better part of my childhood, even I know that's not true. FYI, if you read the bible as you claim to, it clearly states many times that God is the creator of all.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but do you realize that you have defied God by stating that his son, Jesus is the creator of all. You know who else defied God? Satan....watch your back lady, you're heading down a dark scary path by saying stuff like that! "

MRS. wrote on Jun 6, 2008 11:59 PM:

" RE: Army Wife: It most certainly will become legal in the entire country. I am not necessearly trying to stop it becoming legal. Just because it is legal does not negate what God says and that is far more important than homosexuality becoming legal. You see, Jesus will be back soon to put a stop to garbage like this. If Jesus didn't die to save sinners why did he have to die at all> If we are all going to go to Heaven there wasn't anything to die for. "

MRS. wrote on Jun 6, 2008 11:51 PM:

" Jesus believed the book of Genesis. He speaks of creation of the world (Mark 13:19), of man (Matthew 19:4), and of the marriage of Adam and Eve (Matthew 19:5-6). He speaks of Abel’s martyrdom (Matthew 23:35), Noah’s flood (Matthew 24:37-39; Luke 17:26-30), Abraham’s faith (John 8:40, 56), Isaac (Luke 13:28), Jacob’s dream (John 1:47-51), and Lot’s wife (Luke 17:32). But He also spoke of the destruction of the Sodomites’ cities of Sodom and Gomorrah (Luke 17:28-32; Matthew 10:15; 11:24; Mark 6:11). If there had been 5 couples in a “loving married relationship” by your perverted view, hundreds of thousands of souls would not have been destroyed. Ten righteous souls is all that were needed to spare the city. "

MRS. wrote on Jun 6, 2008 11:43 PM:

" I wish to answer your argument about Jesus not teaching about gay marriages. I think a simple reading of what Jesus said about marriage in general will show you what a careless reader you are.

When the Pharisees questioned Him about divorce, notice what Matthew 19:4-6 says, “4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause (that they are male and female) shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together (a man and a wife), let not man put asunder.” "

MRS. wrote on Jun 6, 2008 11:41 PM:

" RE:Gov't oppressed Mule:Your attempt to separate the Old Testament and the New Testament and the Old Testament God and the Lord Jesus; is futile and ludicrous. Jesus is the Creator of all and the very one who instituted marriage. Marriage is the picture of Christ and His Bride (the Church) using the same compassion. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery (or revelation of God): but I speak concerning Christ and the church. nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.” Ephesians 5:31-33 "

MRS. wrote on Jun 6, 2008 11:09 PM:

" Oh and JimmyChooGirl, I don't know if you realize but did you just call God a moron? Calling me a moron is fine; I was called an old bat a few days ago and much worse earlier than that. Sticks and stones. God says homosexuality is an abomination. That is pretty evil but so is thieves, child molesters and murderers. Before anyone says it what I am saying is thieves, child molesters and murders are just as evil. Being overweight, drinking, saying bad words, lieing, cheating ect: are also sins a sin is a sin and one isn't any better than another. One I am guilty of a lot is trying to leave God out of a decision. It never works and I know it isn't going to work but as I say, I am a sinner saved by grace, no better or worse than the group of people that are the topic of this story. "

MRS. wrote on Jun 6, 2008 10:55 PM:

" Well, JimmyChooGirl, It is easy to understand what God says, read hid word. It is very plaine and easy to understand. That said, to have a personal relationship with God one needs to accept Himand become his child. It is almost impossible to really understand what you don't know.To the poster that has trouble understanding my posts: I did miss a few letters in my words but other than attacking me for typos the post is clear. There is none so blind as he who will not see. "

ArmyWife1 wrote on Jun 6, 2008 10:37 PM:

" This is sad that anyone of you think for a minute your opinions about two women kissing at a baseball game matters. For those of you who think its terrible to show PDA YOU stay at home or in a hotel, its life get over it!!!! What are all of you going to do when they make Gay marriage legal ALL over? Protest America? If we all treated Gay men and women the same then they wouldnt have to make points. People act like Gay people have this terrible virus that you are all afraid to catch, its life get over it and move on! They are not harming you and if you have a child that is old enough to understand baseball then they are old enough to be explained LIFE!!!! "

anchor wrote on Jun 6, 2008 4:22 PM:

" Good for you JimmyChooGirl!! Well said. And to MRS...consider re-reading the Bible you are bashing us over the head with. Pay close attention to the lessons Jesus is trying to teach you.

God is Love. "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Jun 6, 2008 3:18 PM:

" Mule - Our God is great isn't he/she? :)

Have a great weekend everyone, even those I disagree with, make love not hate!!! "

Gov't oppressed Mule wrote on Jun 6, 2008 2:48 PM:

" TO JIMMYCHOOGIRL

You spoke to God too? The God I spoke to told me pretty much what your's did. "Love thy neighbor AS THYSELF." Never did my God tell me to condemn everyone who disagrees w/ me and who is different than me. Maybe MRS needs to clean out her ears before talking to God cause she REALLY got his message mixed up. Even if she is reading the Christian Bible, her message is REALLY mixed up from that which Jesus Christ (hence CHRISTianity) taught and is more in line with the Old Testament (which would make her belief Judaism). "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Jun 6, 2008 1:49 PM:

" Ah - My purpose in life is to make everyone in Bloomington Normal stop with the sexism, racism, etc. That's what God told me so I must keep at it. I think he told me that the same night he told MRS everything she preaches. :) "

Townie here... wrote on Jun 6, 2008 1:49 PM:

" To MRS-your posts are an abomination. Do you read them before you click "post comment". I have a feeling that those in agreement with your stance might find your comments a bit of an embarrassment to your cause. Unfortunately, your posts are scattered, nonsensical, illogic thoughts that are terribly written. I suggest you let your fellow God squad bloggers take over from here if you honestly want to be taken seriously in the future. Now, back to the discussion at hand... "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Jun 6, 2008 1:43 PM:

" Mrs - I have asked you before on another story when did you meet God in person because I would like to meet him. How about you answer my question?

Now go back to your bible and pray for my lost soul. "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Jun 6, 2008 1:39 PM:

" ah - do you? "

MRS. wrote on Jun 6, 2008 1:18 PM:

" JimmyChooGirl wrote on Jun 6, 2008 10:16 AM:

" And shep if you really want to talk about hardly calling it change...

The way homosexuality is viewed has CHANGED considerably over time.

Roman bath houses back in the day is where men went to well...you know. That acceptance of homosexuality CHANGED over time and in the early 1900's homosexuality was not accepted at all but that has CHANGED again and is part of our culture now although some morons still think it's evil. That needs to CHANGE! "

That will never change because God doesn't change. I don't call it anything, God calls it an abomination and it doesn't make any difference if you accept that or not. There you go, while everyone is demanding acceptance I will too. BTW: My Grandson hid under the blanket the other night during the dtorms. He hid but the storms were still the. My sugestion to you all is there isn't anywhere you can hide from God. "

The Peanut Gallery wrote on Jun 6, 2008 1:15 PM:

" to Cubfan24 -

Discussion sites are meant to generate ... discussion. What do you expect people to do? Sit back an marvel at your rhetoric billiance? Seriously, get a clue. " "

ah wrote on Jun 6, 2008 12:22 PM:

" JimmieChoo...do you do anything all day? "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Jun 6, 2008 10:16 AM:

" And shep if you really want to talk about hardly calling it change...

The way homosexuality is viewed has CHANGED considerably over time.

Roman bath houses back in the day is where men went to well...you know. That acceptance of homosexuality CHANGED over time and in the early 1900's homosexuality was not accepted at all but that has CHANGED again and is part of our culture now although some morons still think it's evil. That needs to CHANGE! "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Jun 6, 2008 10:11 AM:

" dancinggirl - whale tail? *L* haha. Thos fat guys scare me (sorry Dad) "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Jun 6, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Shep - Stop bashing people like dwarf for their vocabulary, this isn't a grammar class. I said wake up people and welcome change because although homosexuality has been around for a long time, it's still not completely accepted...look at half of the comments on this board. So I'm so glad you think interacial couples are normal but same sex couples are not...that makes a lot of sense.

Also, you still haven't answered my question about when God came down and told you what normal is...hmm??? "

Scapegoat wrote on Jun 6, 2008 8:33 AM:

" "If what is deemed normal is totally opinion based why do we have laws?"

Because our laws are opinion-based. "

Super J wrote on Jun 6, 2008 8:33 AM:

" I can't believe how gullible people are. This is a person who was a cast member on an MTV reality show and lists "professional mechanical bull rider" among her career accomplishments.

This is nothing more than a person with a hunger for fame engaging in inciteful behavior in order to get her name in the headlines. The fact that people are treating this as a legitimate issue is demeaning to us all, both gay and straight. We're being played.

It's a Paris Hilton world, I guess we should get used to it. "

dancinggirl wrote on Jun 6, 2008 4:15 AM:

" who cares what parents have to explain to their kids. it's just a kiss and there are going to be other objectionable things they will see. will they object to underage drinking too? how about if there are a bunch of loud drunks at the game (yikes!). How about fat men with painted letters on their chest to root for the team? what about fat women showing whale tail? both of those sights are more objectionable than a kiss! "

protohooman wrote on Jun 5, 2008 8:48 PM:

" If what is deemed normal is totally opinion based why do we have laws? "

Jarhead71 wrote on Jun 5, 2008 8:13 PM:

" Come on, how about we give it a rest already. I feel beaten up by all of this diatribe over gay bashing. I mean, please, a kiss at a ball park? In ultra liberal Washington State, please. I doubt anyone in the stands gave it any notice at all until someone decided to make it an issue because until then it was not an issue. "

History Alum wrote on Jun 5, 2008 6:19 PM:

" Hey Say...
Have you ever worn clothing woven of two kinds of material? Or cut the hair at the sides of your scalp or clipped the edges of your beard? Or have any tattoos? Always observed the Sabbath? Treated all immigrants well? Cursed your father or mother? I really hope you didn't do that last one... you're to be put to death for that one. Leviticus, chapter 20. "

The Original JD wrote on Jun 5, 2008 6:16 PM:

" To: Lurg86 - So are you saying that women are inferior to men, and not afforded the same rights, freedoms, and privileges afforded to men, or are you just saying that gay women are not? Are you saying that since sexual harassment is not covered by the constitution, that it is alright to sexually harass people? Women have worked hard for their equality, and attempting to use sexual orientation to restrict their rights is chauvinistic. Had the woman been kissing a man, you would have had no problems with it. "

Townie here... wrote on Jun 5, 2008 5:30 PM:

" To Shep--so, it's not normal for you, but it's certainly not un-normal. It's just people being people. What is deemed "normal" is totally opinion based. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. "

Scapegoat wrote on Jun 5, 2008 4:39 PM:

" Lurg86 - The Constitution does not specifically mention the word GENDER, but, like most documents written during that time in American culture, it is gender biased via use of the word "he" in several key passages. Still, I will concede that the Constitution also makes free use of "people" and does a far better job than, say, the Declaration, in refraining from a gender bias. "All men are created equal" doesn't have quite the same ring of equality as "We the People."

And, unless I'm mistaken, "We the People" includes ALL citizens of this nation, not merely straight, Christian ones. Does that mean the government panders to special interests? No, or at least it shouldn't. Does that mean, as a previous poster mentioned, that one cannot pick and choose their own brand of equality? Yes, it does; equality is across the board, all or nothing. You don't have to like it or support it, but treat it with respect and you might be shown some respect in return. Bigotry is so last millenium. "

Shep wrote on Jun 5, 2008 4:32 PM:

" To JimmyChooGirl:
You wrote, "it's 2008 people, wake up and welcome change." Homosexuality has been around for centuries so I would hardly call it change. "

Shep wrote on Jun 5, 2008 4:26 PM:

" To dwarf: The definition of a bigot is to have strong intolerant attitudes about something. I am not intolerant of homosexuals simply by saying it isn't normal. I personally have friends that are gay. I like them but I don't have to accept their lifestyle as normal. As far as inter-racial couples are concerned, I have no problem with it. Inter-racial couples are normal to me. I am a white male and have been extremely attracted to black females at times. Your last statement, "That doesn't make kissing in public some kind of act of defiance or agenda," has nothing to do with anything I said. So keep your comments to me in line with what I said. Brush up on your vocabulary before you start throughing words around that you don't understand the meaning of. Your points are of no relevance to me. "

Gov't oppressed Mule wrote on Jun 5, 2008 4:05 PM:

" TO: CLARKBAR

"shove their immoral behavior down the other 95% of the population?" ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?! How is kissing someone you love considered shoving it down someone's throat? Did they tap the woman who complained on the shoulder and say "Watch this!" prior to kissing? If so that would constitute shoving down someone's throat, but participating in an activity that YOU may have a problem with does not constitute shoving it down someone's throat, it's called living your life. Maybe instead of worrying about what your neighbor is doing you should be more concerned about your life. "

Govt oppressed Mule wrote on Jun 5, 2008 4:00 PM:

" TO: SAY

You mean the part about "Loving thy neighbor as thyself" or the part about "removing the plank from your eye before attempting to remove the mote of dust from someone else's eye"? These are two things modern "christians" fail to recall when thumping their bible. If you have actually read the bible I would assume you know that Jesus reshaped our image of God from a wrathful angry God to one that loves all creatures and has compassion. Maybe that's why all the anti-homosexual quotes are in the OLD TESTAMENT, prior to Jesus of Nazareth, him who is called the Christ's birth. Maybe it is you so-called "christians" who need to re-read your bible. "

Randall Flagg wrote on Jun 5, 2008 3:58 PM:

" Clarkbar, you are a joke. Where did you get the 5% number? Did you pull that out of the air? Hetereos do as many "immoral" things as gays. Who decides what is immmoral?? Let me guess, it's written in some old book that you believe it the truth. That's the real joke here. Religion has made so many people HATE. That's all it does is promote hate and start violence. Here's another example. "

Randall Flagg wrote on Jun 5, 2008 3:53 PM:

" They should make out BEFORE eating garlic fries, not during or after. "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Jun 5, 2008 3:47 PM:

" oh okay hmb. *L* "

BARLOW wrote on Jun 5, 2008 3:41 PM:

" I don't care who it was. I don't want to see ANYONE kissing at a ball game. You are there to watch the game...save that stuff for your home! "

clarkbar wrote on Jun 5, 2008 3:14 PM:

" Why does less than 5% of the population shove their immoral behavior down the other 95% of the population? this immoral behavior is being made to appear as normal, this society is weak! "

Lurg86 wrote on Jun 5, 2008 3:10 PM:

" To the Original JD: Show me in the constution where it says special interests groups are to be given preferential treatment, and most of all show me where the U.S. Constitution even mentions the word GENDER. It does not. So your liberal gobbly goop means nothing more than a personal attempt to promote a perverted group attempting to progress their personal agenda and trying to use the U.S. Constitution as your basis for argument. Well JD like all of your other points in this forum it is unfounded to say the least. Brush up on your history, and then come back when you can really solidify one of your outrageous remarks, that includes something from the original U. S. Constitution. "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 5, 2008 3:01 PM:

" to say, what does the bible have to do with it? more thumping and nobody cares... "

lindini wrote on Jun 5, 2008 2:33 PM:

" I for the record would find it hilarious to see someone making out with an animal at a ball game. Almost as funny as someone who would be so ignorant as to compare the loving kiss of two grown adults to someone making out with a farm animal. Then again I have seen many very conservative people getting a chuckle from people in the movies kissing a chimp so maybe there is a side of that you guys are into that I didn't see before. "

The Original JD wrote on Jun 5, 2008 2:30 PM:

" Americans are supposed to be protected from being treated differently from gender. Had it been a man kissing a woman, no one would have batted an eye. Why is it people CLAIM to want equality, while at the same time doing whatever they can to create inequality? If men and women are equal, than they are equal in all ways. You can not pick and choose your flavor of equality, and attempt to force that equality on others who have a different flavor. Personally, I am ashamed of any who would find this any different from a man kissing a woman. "

Country Boy wrote on Jun 5, 2008 2:17 PM:

" Heck it was a ballgame, it might have been more interesting had she had gotten a little second or even third base! If there would have been a home run I guarantee the camera phones would have been flashing away!
You have to love American baseball! "

say wrote on Jun 5, 2008 2:03 PM:

" Well... interesting comments... Only have 1 thing to say... Read your bible and you will understand!!! "

Meh wrote on Jun 5, 2008 2:01 PM:

" ah, BJR is that you? **hears dueling banjos**

Learn the difference between animals and consenting adults. "

hmb wrote on Jun 5, 2008 1:41 PM:

" To JimmChooGirl,
This article was about two women kissing and that is what I responded to. When I go to baseball games (or any type of game) and fans around us start swearing and cussing up a storm, I actually ask them to stop seeing as there are children around. I then explain to my child how that behavior is not appreciated by others and actually shows bad sportsman ship.
Next time maybe you should keep your posting to the story.....and not bring up other matters, or learn to ask "what would you do in a situation of...." If this story was actually about cussing and swearing in public, I would have responded to that subject and that subject alone... "

BigBrother wrote on Jun 5, 2008 1:38 PM:

" The fact is that people had a right to complain if the actions were offensive to them. The usher was simply attempting to defuse the situation. Now its even....You offended me and I offended you!!! The real question is...."Did they stop groping each other?" If so the usher did a good job in defusing a possible altercation. No one cares if they are gay, and no one cares if they kiss. But many people care about public groping and over doing the effection. It makes no difference who is doing it either. "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Jun 5, 2008 1:36 PM:

" Zeva says "I could care less. I simply believe in being polite to others around you while respecting others. If this is meant to "shock" others, it doesn't shock, it merely shows your lack of respect for others"

How can you say that then say " I'm not a believer in the gay lifestyle, but if you choose to be gay keep it to yourself. " Well how about keeping your straightness to yourself. You say they should be respectful but you are being completely ignorant and disrespectful by saying keep it to yourself. HELLO, anybody home?

Ignorance all around us! Such a shame!

Default - haha, that was funny! :) "

ah wrote on Jun 5, 2008 1:30 PM:

" I agree with the majority that its inappropriate. For those of you (JimmieChoo) who are 100% OKAY with what other people do, why don't you think of other gross things that are inappropriate such as making out with animals? Would you like seeing a man or woman making out with their animal at the ballgame? Its inappropriate, it's immoral, it's wrong. Too many open minded people out there. Am I saying don't love these people? No. Am I saying they don't deserve (fill in the blank)? Not necessarily. Maybe Americas gone overboard on what is acceptable and maybe we've turned our head one too many times. Maybe, JimmieChoogirl, you're okay with this because you want everyone to be happy... "

haligan wrote on Jun 5, 2008 1:22 PM:

" It cracks me up when people talk about choosing to be gay. If you really feel it is just a choice then that would mean that you could be gay. If it's a choice they made then clearly it's a choice you could make. I also find it interesting then that you choose to love your husband or wife...I’m curious do you remember the day you made that decision?? Do they know that you whole relationship is solely dependant on your whims??? "

Cubfan24 wrote on Jun 5, 2008 12:49 PM:

" What's the deal with all of the anti-gay comments? If you don't believe in being a part of that lifestyle, DON'T READ THE STORY. No one made you click on the link or read that section of the paper. And to BIGMACMAN86: We live in 2008. News is overly abundant. I'm sorry if you only want to read news about the "heartland" (which we are not). Turn off that national news you watch. Don't pick up the newspaper. I'm surprised you're not against the internet. You know the "internets" ain't located in the heartland, right? Seriously, get a clue. "

dac wrote on Jun 5, 2008 12:49 PM:

" I do not deagree with the way they feel about each other, but in public there are a lot of people offended by this. Even my wife might want a kiss in public,but if the siuation suggests I should not do that I do not for the fact that I might offend someone. Have respect of others, you are not the only people on this planet. Think of others around you the next time, will help us all to get along. "

default wrote on Jun 5, 2008 12:44 PM:

" Ignore the fact that they are lesbians. They were eating garlic fries and kissing? Talk about bad breath! "

dwarf wrote on Jun 5, 2008 12:36 PM:

" OK, Shep - you don't like it. You don't have to like inter-racial couples, either. Both make you a bigot - but you're likely fine with that.

That doesn't make kissing in public some kind of act of defiance or agenda. "

illini fan 5 wrote on Jun 5, 2008 12:27 PM:

" I agree with JimmyChooGirl in that for a family friendly environment, I would rather have a kiss seen in the stands then hear the amount of cursing at the opponents, or in the Cubs case, sometimes your own players. "

ican'tfindmyshoeee.. wrote on Jun 5, 2008 12:22 PM:

" the children?? i'm sure 40 hours a week in the politically correct public education system is instilling what they deem "proper values". ages 5 through 18. so, be at ease. "

Meh wrote on Jun 5, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Shep (the commenter) from the 1950s: "I understand it completely. One is normal and one is not. Interracial marriage is not normal and never will be. While it is being accepted by some, it will never be normal behavior."

American society has continued to evolve to be more tolerant and will continue to do so. Homosexuality and gay marriage will eventually be tolerated by all Americans, not just us crazy liberals. "

Zeva wrote on Jun 5, 2008 12:16 PM: