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Political Heretic wrote on Jul 11, 2008 12:11 PM:

" Either talk about Danny Boy and/or PCC or take it to the other thread. "

Modulation wrote on Jul 11, 2008 11:55 AM:

" Actually your and the whining board memebrs are a poke into the face of the public. If you recall Prism HC was ready and willing to take over the LM but they cried and lost. "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 11, 2008 11:23 AM:

" To Mod. So lobby for another vote, this time binding. Then create an organization to spread information supporting your cause, since you think so many share your view. That's how Democracy works. Take the time you spend losing this debate to me and put it into actually DOING something to advocate your position and you might actually gain the ultimate victory over both that nasty socialism you hate AND me. Wouldn't you like that?
Once again, the original issue I had with all of this is that the people voted one way, and then the board voted to do something else. Advisory referendum or not, it was still an offensive poke into the eye to the public. "

Modulation wrote on Jul 11, 2008 11:05 AM:

" PH: I guess you also are out of touch with reality, because I would love another vote on taxes. This would get blown out of the water with all the current information that is out and in public. You have the fools at public voice, well there will be others in opposition. Besides again, you do not understand the whole issue of ADVISORY REFERENDUM. You just can not quite grasp the whole idea can you. Just like you can not grasp this whole debate, because again you are losing bad!!! "

Modulation wrote on Jul 11, 2008 11:01 AM:

" Wow now PH you say MAY, you are failing again. You in fact said that you would contact others that have financial ideas on nusing homes. You either lied that you had such contacts or you lied in an attempt to make a point in either case you failed and that proves your ethics. You can post all the information you want on this site about financial issues and where to locate them, BUT YOU REFUSE. Why, because you lied about ever having that information available.

As for your baiting to your blog, I again refuse. You want me to participate then you provide the name of your supposed contact on the board. See one gimmie to me and one to you, but again you will fail to provide that infromation with some lame excuse. "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 11, 2008 10:45 AM:

" To Mod. I may have never promised financial solutions, but I am willing to debate the issue using the available information. Is this really that hard for your dumb jock brain to absorb?
Besides, the people have voted. They don’t care if it raises their taxes. If the vote was taken again, they’d most likely still vote for a new Manor. Do you really hate Democracy that much? Would you prefer to be the dictator of Livingston County?
Once again, if you really want to debate funding, then we desperately need a different forum to do so effectively. Refuse my offer if you will, but be assured I would not censor anything you posted on my blog. I wouldn’t need to.
And attacking my ethics after I’ve assailed yours is little more than a continuation of your practice of echoing my own arguments and statements back at me. This shows an incredible lack of original thinking. "

Modulation wrote on Jul 11, 2008 9:48 AM:

" PH: Is it not you that indicated that YOU never promised any information on financing this hole. Now you wish to debate financing and be able to use charts and graphs. Now what is your stance, you suddenly feel as though you have an alternative means of financing this pit, that you in the other post said you never agreed to provide. Again PH you are lying to cover yourself and prove once again you have NO ETHICS. I will not participate in a blog of YOURS soley because it is yours. "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 11, 2008 9:19 AM:

" To Mod. Fair enough on the stance, but I’m not revealing my source. After all, they probably wouldn’t be my source anymore then, would they? Meanwhile, I offer you a far superior venue for debating the finance issue and you reject it. Why? It would still be open and public. Wouldn’t you like to be able to post uncensored and for as long as you want? How about being able to post charts and files to serve as supporting data? I will take this as you cowering away from a fight you know you would lose.
Meanwhile, I haven’t sidestepped anything, and you haven’t proven me unethical on any point. This is just you throwing insults without supporting evidence…again. Give it up, my friend. You are outclassed.
Back on the point of this article, The Daily Leader has a story called “Signed budget includes PCC funding”. Sounds like PCC is safe, just as I always asserted. "

Modulation wrote on Jul 11, 2008 7:30 AM:

" To PH: I will take the same stance that you have I will not do this because you want it too much. Sound familiar? Two can play this game. You want a private debate you provide your supposed source on this public page first. Also you answer the questions that have been posted on the other blog first. See PH you want something but as in politics there are preconditions and you first must provide your ethics and professionalism. I have used your past posts against you and you fail to repsond or sidestep the intent of your posts. I have proven your lack of ethics and that you are NOT a debater, but rather an instigater that attempts to make issues but when proven wrong attempts to move to other points rather than admit defeat.

So as for a private debate, I am fine right here because this is open and I do not need to use your true name as I have in the past to prove your wrong on this issue. YOu may need name calling but I do not. "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 10, 2008 7:21 PM:

" To KSA. Thanks (I guess) for the information referral. I read the stories, but I didn’t think the names worthy of memorization at the time. This is just a hobby for me. Not my life like with Mod.
To Mod. I’ve been censored myself a couple of times. Don’t you hate it? No, I’m not going to call these people, I just have enough information sources to find out if they’re linked to Rutherford, that’s all. Nor, once again, am I giving you my source. You just want it too much and I enjoy denying you. You’re hilarious, excuse me of having a source that’s giving out secret information and then accuse me of not having a source. Which is it, my friend? Can’t be both.
As for being a stand up guy, I believe that’s what I was offering to do. Create a blog where you and I can debate this UNCENSORED and with the exact same numbers and information in front of us so that neither of us can fabricate arguments out of thin air. What about this proposal intimidates you and prevents you from accepting my challenge? "

keep-sarcasm-alive wrote on Jul 10, 2008 5:29 PM:

" PH: You never name names...so why should I? And I don't need to. Read the original articles about each of those events. I'm guessing you don't read entire articles. You just read titles, otherwise you'd know much of what you have spouted about this whole situation is false. "

Modulation wrote on Jul 10, 2008 4:11 PM:

" Well lets see if the censor is again at work. PH you MUST provide a name of your supposed source. Otherwise there is NO proof or documentation that one exists. Two can play at this game, but I already know the outcome of this game. Me 1 You 0. "

Modulation wrote on Jul 10, 2008 3:55 PM:

" PH You need to grow up, are you going to call these poeple? You are someone that WILL NOT PROVIDE OR PROVE ANYTHING TO ME BUT YOU REQUIRE NAMES FOR SOMEONE TO PROVE SOMETHING TO YOU.

If this is in fact what you need then YOU provide the name to your supposed source on the Livingston County Board. Two can play at this game. "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 10, 2008 2:31 PM:

" To keep-sarcasm-alive. I wouldn't think you'd be willing to prove this assertion by supplying me with names, would you? "

keep-sarcasm-alive wrote on Jul 10, 2008 2:17 PM:

" I do know the person that started the parade...and no, she is not joined at the hip with Rutherford. And I know the person that started the picture...and no, he is not joined at the hip with Rutherford either. Just so you know. "

Modulation wrote on Jul 10, 2008 1:30 PM:

" To PH: You also can not say that PCC is 100% safe. As I tried five times to post yesterday and was censored, until Blago signs the budget that has funding for PCC contained within the possibility for closure still exists. Whether Dan R. is playing politics is beside the point because, ANY POLITICIAN would do the same if PCC were in their district. He also stated long before this closure was announced that he intended to run for a state wide office. I suppose that you will insist next that he and Blago are working together. Well everyone knows that a monkey could run agains the current governor and beat him. You also must consider that there are a multitude of republicans statewide that will announce a run for governor. You fail to see other issues because of your hate for Dan R. Maybe you need to seek help for your anger issues. "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 10, 2008 10:08 AM:

" To keep-sarcasm-alive. I actually appreciate the comment about not just rejecting my ideas due to their origin. Thank you. The rest I’ll let slide.
I doubt Danny Boy has NOTHING to do with starting the parade and photo bit. In fact, I’d bet a kidney he was the instigator. Do you know who was instead? I bet they’re connected…at the hip.
Personally, none of this propaganda hurts me. It just angers me that Rutherford is using hate and fear to turn people’s brains off for his own political gain, and people are actually buying it.
In addition, I know how dirty Danny Boy is, and how he benefits from a very dirty ol’ boys network in Livingston County that actually stifles economic growth in that area to their own benefit. The waves of irrationality that he’s brewed up with this head hunt only goes to further this cause, which ultimately hurts the people of Livingston County. People I grew up with and care for, even if they might put me down for expressing the opinions I do. "

keep-sarcasm-alive wrote on Jul 10, 2008 8:25 AM:

" Political Heretic, since you spend so much time reading newspaper articles then you must know that the parade was NOT Dan's idea...he was only invited after the fact....and you must also know that the picture also was not Dan's idea....again, he was invited. He supported those efforts because the constituents asked him to and it would do no harm...again, I ask where is the harm to YOU in how Pontiac has chosen to handle the "empty" threat? And you also must know he is not fighting at the moment to Save Pontiac Prison. He is fighting to keep the governor from doing this again....to our community and any other prison town in the state of IL. And I know my words will mean nothing to you...but I think others deserve to know the truth...something you seem to know noting about. Oh, and just so you know....I don't ALWAYS disagree with your opinions...I just happen to on this one. "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 10, 2008 6:03 AM:

" To TheRudeAwakening. I've been laughed at before. They laughed when I said invading Iraq wouldn't go smoothly. They laughed when I said the economy was heading towards a downturn. They laughed when I said gas prices were going to shoot up past $4 a gallon. So keep laughing, while I keep getting to laugh last.
Meanwhile, let me post information no one else on this forum seems to know. It is the answer to the question I've been asking, and it comes from the Pontiac Daily Leader.
"According to the State Facilities Closure Act, a notice of proposed closure of the Pontiac Correctional Center was received on May 6 from the Department of Corrections."
There you have it. However, anyone with half a brain can figure out by now that Blago just did this to get more compromises in negotiations. PCC is safe, and Y'ALL are being taken for a ride for Danny Boy's benefit. "

TheRudeAwakening wrote on Jul 9, 2008 9:32 PM:

" Well Political Heretic, although I do not live in the same district that Mr. Rutherford serves, I commend him for his actions as well as any politician that acts and not just talk about issues received from our village idiot. And I said before, regardless of his hidden agenda in politics, he is doing the job the voters elected him to do. Taking your lesson on History 101 regarding being an American and having a right to an opinion, you are absolutely correct. You too have a right to an opinion, and the rest of the readers that read your quips have a right to laugh at them, no matter how genuine they are to you. Enough said. "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 9, 2008 7:14 PM:

" To keep-sarcasm-alive. I repeat salient points that are relevant, but I wouldn’t say I’m bitter. Not about this, at least. I grew up in Pontiac. I know people who work at PCC. I know how the system works, and it works as I’ve described it. You admit the threat is small. So why the parade and picture? Doesn’t it seem a bit overblown for a small threat? Why didn’t it happen the last time PCC was “threatened”? Oh yeh, Danny Boy wasn’t contemplating a run for governor. Step outside of Plato’s cave. The sun feels good. "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 9, 2008 7:09 PM:

" To TheRudeAwakening.
You obviously didn’t catch what I meant with the Witch Trial allusion. I meant a person who doesn’t walk in lockstep with the Rutherford agenda could expect lots of negative social sanctions for the crime of having a different opinion. My criticism of Danny’s Disciples, on the other hand, would more aptly parallel a cult, complete with a charismatic leader pretending to be a loving protector when they are really serving their own interest first.
You are right on one thing; nothing is set in stone. Of course, since stone won’t be used to document this, it never will be, right? Meanwhile, if the DOC budget, Blago’s own waffling on the issue, and Rutherford’s own statement that Rod doesn’t want to close PCC doesn’t convince you, then I guess it’s your right as an American to be a true believer. Enjoy your illusion. "

keep-sarcasm-alive wrote on Jul 9, 2008 6:02 PM:

" To Political Heretic: My you are a bitter person and a broken record to boot. I live in Pontiac. I was part of the picture. I am not frenzied and did not see any frenzied people. You say there is NO threat. I say there is a SMALL threat. We just don't see it the same way. And since people considering it a threat does not harm you in ANY way at all...I'd say you are wasting YOUR time more than we are. "

TheRudeAwakening wrote on Jul 9, 2008 5:37 PM:

" Wow Political Heretic . . . I surely touch a soft spot, didn't I? As to your comparison to the Salem Witch Trials, I should say the same goes for you when attacking Rutherford supporters or the mere fact of supporting to save the prison. Nothing is set in stone regarding the continuation of Pontiac prison, and with the track record of your Illinois idol, I will continue the support Rutherford has brought to the table. So, unless you have "written" proof that the prison will be saved, there is really nothing more you can say that will convince me otherwise. "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 9, 2008 4:44 PM:

" To TheRudeAwakening.
You said: "You prefer a politician to only work for their needs instead of the people." Yeah. Right. That's me. I'm also for public execution of baby kittens.
You Rutherford suckups crack me up. Not only are you so blind as not to see that he's only really trying to protect his own political power (join the Republicans, get a job at PCC, give $$$ to Danny Boy's campaign is the process I believe), but you even go so far as to demonize anyone who asks simple questions and points out ackward truths. I now understand how the Salem Witch Trials happened.
To keep-sarcasm-alive. No frenzied people?!? What would you call the masses gathering for photos and at parades based upon one sentence of information?!? Add to this their willingness to continue believing there is a threat (at Dan's prompting) and I do believe frenzied is a perfect way to describe them. "

TheRudeAwakening wrote on Jul 9, 2008 4:08 PM:

" The "Political Heretic" is back at it again! You are an amazing creature. You prefer a politician to only work for their needs instead of the people. Sure, Rutherford may have an agenda to work his way up in politics, but the way I see it, he is doing his job. The people of Pontiac wants him to save the prison and that is what he gets paid to do. And if this is all a gambit, then kudos to Rutherford. I would vote for a strategically prepared individual than an village idiot as our current governor. You, on the other hand, prefer the the latter and for that you have my sympathy in 2010. "

keep-sarcasm-alive wrote on Jul 9, 2008 3:35 PM:

" Empty threat or not, it's those who lay down and do nothing that always lose out in the end. As my grandma always said, "It's better to be safe than sorry." And as far as anyone panicking...I'm not seeing that. I just see people doing what they need to do...I see no "frenzied" people anywhere. And I'm glad "Danny Boy" is working so hard....it shows he knows he has a job to do, unlike many others in this state. I'd rather see a politician working for an "empty threat" than for him to sit on his butt getting paid for nothing. "

livingstoncountyblog wrote on Jul 9, 2008 3:01 PM:

" Heretic - I know that 'paranoia will destroy ya'....trying to figure out politics as usual gives many a headache! "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 9, 2008 1:22 PM:

" To livingstoncountyblog. Isn't that kind of paranoid? I know Blago hasn't proven the most trustworthy individual, but isn't it a little TOO convenient for Danny Boy's that there is no evidence? Hopefully, my friend Modulation can supply some, but so far, I'm not seeing it. "

livingstoncountyblog wrote on Jul 9, 2008 12:46 PM:

" JD - 'can' and 'will' are two different things. Can the administration close it? Yes. Will they? Doubtful. But the threat exists....even if empty. "

livingstoncountyblog wrote on Jul 9, 2008 12:45 PM:

" Heretic - did say it was an assumption. I'm sure if it happened, there is probably no paper trail! "

Lurch wrote on Jul 9, 2008 12:36 PM:

" It seems that Blago got his way and let the Directer of the DOC either take the blame or play stupid like the gov told him to. When is this sort of garbage going to stop????? The moron gov likes to play with other peoples lives and families. Maybe it is time for the people in the state and chicago to stand up and get rid of the clown and his circus of idiots. Maybe we should let them work in the prison to let them get the feel of how the prison life feels!!!!!! LETS HOLD THE PERSON THAT IS RESPONSABLE FOR DOING THIS TO THE IDOC WORKERS AND THE REST OF THE STATE. The gov, reps and sens and the rest of the democrates for letting this happen and putting him back in office. "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 9, 2008 12:23 PM:

" To livingstoncountyblog. Pretty big assumption there. Where's the evidence? If this IS true, why hasn't Danny Boy been shouting it from the mountain? This story is disintegrating before my very eyes. A lot of assumptions without much to back it up. "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 9, 2008 12:13 PM:

" To Modulation. Still waiting, my friend. "

The Original JD wrote on Jul 9, 2008 11:29 AM:

" I have to question the intelligence of people who, after Springfield threatening every time a contract is up for negotiations, still fall for the empty threat in order for Springfield to try and strengthen its negotiation position. It happens every time, and every time people panic thinking a prison somewhere is going to close. Sure, it happened ONCE in all the times that Springfield has threatened to do it, but that one time is not enough to ask so ignorantly. "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 9, 2008 8:52 AM:

" To Modulation. So why don't YOU answer my question, my friend? What exactly did Blago actually do (not just say, actually did) that threatened to close PCC? You yourself said the budget has been passed with the funding for PCC in it. Now he's missed a major deadline. So what, exactly, warrants the level of frenzy Rutherford has created?
I await your answer, my friend. "

Modulation wrote on Jul 9, 2008 7:22 AM:

" To Little man: Uh lets see you must not read much. A budgte has been passed with funding for Pontiac Prison included. However, if YOUR governor decides to remove that funding he closes the prison. This possibility has been discussed in other articles about the prison NOT mentioning Sen. Rutherford or his efforts, but I guess you do not have an ax to grind about those articles only about Dan. "

livingstoncountyblog wrote on Jul 8, 2008 10:37 PM:

" Heretic....on time, just like a clock!! As expected!! Can't say exactly 'what' the Gov. did, but it is assumed he instructed the DOC head to issue the intent to close back in May. I think all the dust settles in the next 7 days!! "

poster wrote on Jul 8, 2008 8:49 PM:

" I hope that this guy gets impeached, if thats even possible. (Not a big political person, sorry). I am from Pontiac and all for keeping it open as I know many employees there. However, as important as it is how could the dealine be missed???? "

Political Heretic wrote on Jul 8, 2008 8:37 PM:

" That's it Danny Boy. Keep the fear going. True, the governor obviously isn't SO obsessed with closing PCC (as a part of targeting Republican districts, of course) to even have the most basic steps towards that goal completed in time, but don't let that stop you. There's a governorship to win, and you aren't going to get it on the strength of your record and/or rhetoric, so you'd better make sure no one sees through your ruse. Paint that "S" on your chest and put yourself forward as the savior of Pontiac that you aren't.
By the way, other than mentioning it, can anyone actually point to what Blago HAS done to close PCC? I'd hate to think the molehill that Rutherford has made into a mountain is really just a pile of dust. "

ptown resident wrote on Jul 8, 2008 8:26 PM:

" They missed their deadline. Plain and simple, they broke the law! NO extensions! Keep the prison open. It's a matter of public safety. Peoples lives are being flip flopped. The economy of all of Central IL is being affected. Let's ease the overcrowding in the prisons and look at the system as a whole, taking into concideration the future needs. The lawmakers have made it clear they want Pontiac to stay open , by including full funding for PCC, Stateville and Thomson. Do we need a geriatric prison? probably. Do we need a drug rehab prison? probably. So why not open Thompson with 1/2 geriatric and 1/2 rehab? "

mandalaybay4me wrote on Jul 8, 2008 5:51 PM:

" I'm sure the GOV will gaze into his crystal ball or do what ever he does and randomly pick yet another prison he now wants to close. He's tried to close PONTIAC twice now but I think it's all been a diversion of some kind.

Like he said in the past"you ain't seen nothing yet" "

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