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Tom Terrific wrote on Jul 26, 2008 8:01 PM:

" Any idea on when Obama plans to pull the troops out of Iraq. I have it on record, four different stances. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 26, 2008 4:07 PM:

" (un)reasonable: Bush vetoed the SCHIP (twice) and farm bills but your Donkeys overrode the veto while whining all the way. The President can only do so much but the power still lies with the legislative branch on fiscal matters no matter how you “progressives” try to spin things. He should also veto this big housing bailout bill but may be leaning toward going along with it. Remember the bill came from the Donkey controlled House Ways and Means Committee so the Donkeys’ hoof prints are all over it when the fiscal feces hits the fan. He needs to veto this obscene Obummer UN inspired Global Poverty Act that sends an ADDITIONAL $845B overseas that either has to come from higher taxes on you or the China borrowing to cover the increase in the deficit it will cause. Showing you how the congress runs spending, it “requires” the President to develop a strategy (dolars) to eliminate “global poverty” by cutting it in half by 2015. What’s the Constitutional basis for this farce? "

The Cat wrote on Jul 26, 2008 3:44 PM:

" Cats: I guess I was tired; tired reading your fiction posts on this blog. Your boy Bubba did exactly WHAT to create a booming economy and balanced budget? Maybe his contribution was a Republican congress elected in the next election cycle and he was in the Oval Office (with Monica) when the tech boom hit (Y2K and internet stock euphoria). Unfortunately he then owns the tech bust and following recession. His budgets approved along with his huge tax hike showed red ink as far as the eye could see (or congressional budget office forecast). As to his “masterful” handling of WTC, since he never went to the scene WHAT exactly did he do to “solve” that attack? Unlike WTC2, the terrorists were all alive, here in the US, left a gigantic clue, and the NYPD with FBI help solved a rather simple case. Follow-up leaves a bit to be desired though; one got away, the lawyer for the main terrorist passed instructions to others from her jailed client, and no other terror attack that took place was dealt with at all. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 26, 2008 2:37 PM:

" Cats: The Constitution specifically states that the House is responsible for generating all legislation that deals with taxes, spending, budgets, and debt limit changes. The Ways and Means is where all the revenue generation and a fair chunk of spending legislation starts (the rest is the Appropriations Committee) before it goes to the full House for amendment and approval. Then the Senate gets a crack at it and if there are significant changes it goes to a joint reconciliation committee or back to the House if the changes are too major. Then the President can either sign or veto (in full since the line item veto was killed) the bill. The point is no matter how you “progressives” whine about spending, taxes, and debt the House is responsible for the bills on all of those measures and the Senate must agree. That was why you had big spending bills like No Child Left Behind that were Donkey written since they could block anything the Republicans wanted to do. The budget requires both Ways and Means and Appropriations participation. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 26, 2008 2:01 PM:

" Cats: Your usual half a knowledge loaf is on display. Less than half of each barrel of oil is used for gasoline, the remaining (as has been pointed out before) goes into jet fuel, tar, plastics, etc. so changes in the CAFE standards really isn’t going to have any effect on that usage (most of these products are due to alternative outputs produced in the refining process). The oil company profits are still based on the earnings after production and other costs have been deducted and are still running at 7% so record dollars doesn’t mean the companies are earning more real profits than in the past. Drilling our own oil is oil independence and also energy independence when you factor in many natural gas deposits are located in close proximity to oil deposits. The basic problem, though, is the Donkeys and environmentalists really don’t want more energy of ANY type (unless it is an alleged “alternative” they have a financial stake in), so
they block nuclear, hydroelectric, wind, solar, and geothermal too even while giving lip service to “alternative energy”. "

The Cats wrote on Jul 26, 2008 11:04 AM:

" The Cat...your words...

" (un)reasonable: On your electric cars you need to do some real thinking about their value. Not everyone drives 60 miles a day or less when you factor in all commuting and errands that need to be run."

Cat you are right...just 68% of all of the commuting done in the US each day according to the Department of Transportation. BTW if boy George (and his republican colleagues in the congress) would just stop blocking it a 1 mile per gallon increase in the cafe standards equals about 350,000 gallons of oil not burned. Do the math...an increase of 20 would mean the joke about drilling our way to energy independence (when we import 74% of our oil now) would not be needed at all. How about saving our way to energy independence? Hardly..."W" has to protect his buddies (Exxon...record profits and $12 billion in tax credits...?). LOL in November. "

The Cats wrote on Jul 26, 2008 10:58 AM:

" To The Cat...your words continued...

"That is the responsibility of the congress specifically the House Ways and Means Committee. Donkeys in charge there from 1954 to 1994 and 2007 to 2008."

First...you stated in an earlier post that I did not know how government worked. Tell me Cat did the constitution change to allow 1 House committee the power to decide what our budget will be? Alas it did not. The entire House is responsible to change, and vote on the budget as submitted by the President (who is supposed to be a leader). I will not add an insult here as it is obvious for all to see. You fail to mention what went on during the years (few as they were...particularly 2000 to 2007)) the "fiscally irresponsible" (the quote belongs to Tom Delay a radical conservative republican when speaking of his party's fiscal irresponsibility) were in charge. LOL in November. "

The Cats wrote on Jul 26, 2008 10:52 AM:

" To The Cat...your words...

"" cats: The facts are in your way again. The Executive Branch does not have constitutional responsibility for the budget, taxing, spending, and debt ceiling legislation...Bubba’s alleged balanced budget was actually when the Republicans were in charge. There is also the little factor that the House legislation needs to be approved by the Senate where the Donkeys were in charge in 2001 through 2002 and could have filibuster anything for the other four Bush2 years, Re you insanity posted on 7/19/08 at 10:15 AM where YOU said $10B per month borrowed from China. Borrowing required to support our government spending including the Obummer third world giveaway. I never was DK since I never felt the need to try to create your “overwhelm them with blast posts” justification for your lack of facts but I wonder what happened to him. "

First of all you must be tired as this post is almost unreadable. Second you stated you posted as multiple people not I. Third you post as much as I do and use more words. Fourth, DK disappears when you show up and vice versa. LOL in November. "

The Cats wrote on Jul 26, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Campaign follies with Johnny McSame...this week he says about Iraq...."Iraq was the first major, post 9/11 war." I wonder if he was just having another senior moment (and Liberman or Lindsey Graham was not there to whisper the correct answer in his ear) or does he really not remember Afghanistan. He also stated "there is trouble on the Iraq and Pakistan border"...they do not share a border. A foreign policy expert? Someone who knows how to win a war (no experience at all for that line). 4 more years of this mess? Hardly. LOL in November. "

The Cats wrote on Jul 26, 2008 10:45 AM:

" 2 more banks are rescued this weekend (isn't it funny these all happen after hours on Friday...the Karl Rove school of government, deny, hide, blame others, leak, and then refuse to speak in the light of day) and McSame still says he is for the economic policies (what policies?) of boy George and still sticks by his immortal words..."I know nothing about the economy". 4 more years of this...LOL. "

The Cats wrote on Jul 26, 2008 10:42 AM:

" The Cat writes..."Bubba’s alleged balanced budget was actually when the Republicans were in charge."

Funny, I remember Clinton (you know, the President who caught and prosecuted (without secrecy or torture), the terrorists who attacked the WTC, the President who proposed and implemented a balanced budget and who's economic policies brought about record business expansion and surpluses...you know, a leader as a President...something republicans know little about) shutting down the government in order to force Newt (who now disavows his own party's President and leadership) to pass the budget Clinton wanted. Revisionist history again Cat. LOL in November. "

The Cats wrote on Jul 26, 2008 10:36 AM:

" To The Cat...your words...

"" cats: For me to debate you there needs to be some real knowledge of the issues on your part. Unfortunately, you have talking points and nothing else but cute little insults on occasions. You have a total lack of understanding of history, how government operates under the Constitution, or even a real knowledge of current events."

Funny, but for all my ignorance you don't seem to be able to factually refute my comments. As to insults...the readers of these posts can see that issue clearly just by reading our respective posts. As to "DNC or leftwing group talking points"...I must again refer you to your own words (as they are exactly like the words of those unbiased reporters you use...Rush and FIX News). BTW are you denying Regan's deficit? Still waiting for answers Cat...LOL in November. "

neves wrote on Jul 26, 2008 9:37 AM:

" Go watch a few Alex Jones' documentaries and learn the truth about our government and their actions. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 26, 2008 12:30 AM:

" 'where YOU said $10B per month borrowed from China. Borrowing required to support our government spending including the Obummer third world giveaway."

The larger issue is that the President has to take change and insist on a balanced budget. He can do this through leadership, working with both parties, and vetoing whenever necessary. Bush has aggravated the situation by an ill advised tax break for the wealthy combined with untold expenses in the Iraq war. Hindsight is useless, but the cash poured into Iraq would pretty much resolve any of the entitlement programs with change left over. Borrowing from China is more needed for the Iraq situation than foreign aid which is a fraction of the cost of the Iraq war. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 26, 2008 12:26 AM:

" "You try hard avoiding the cold facts that the Donkeys are the big spenders and the big taxers while still managing to create the big deficits."

I really don't see how any intelligent human being can argue that the democrats are responsible for the current big deficits when in fact they were created by a republican president and republican majority since 2000. Do some reading please. There are any number of position papers by conservative think thanks that articulately shred both Bush II and Reagan for their flawed economic policies. In both instances there was a momentary rise in the economy from tax cuts including refunds but the long term effect of deficit financing and heavy debt from borrowing and spending caused (causes) economic chaos. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 26, 2008 12:19 AM:

" "You fail to realize that the deficits are caused by politicians,"

This is an utterly lame and obvious observation. I might add that the deficits have been caused by our current leadership in Washington with President Bush leading the way. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 26, 2008 12:18 AM:

" "You fail to realize that the deficits are caused by politicians, mostly Donkeys,"

I am sorry but the deficits we currently have are directly the result of improper planning and fiscal irresponsibility by both Presidents Bush and Reagan. Unless you have been totally brainwashed by Fox News, it is denying reality to suggest that the democratic party is responsible. Even the republican leadership admits the party has gone astray in terms of fiscal management. True fiscal conservatives have left the party because of the ridiculous deficits Georgie and Ronnie have built. One of those conservatives is Let's be reasonable. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 26, 2008 12:13 AM:

" (un)reasonable: You missed the point on the AIDS funding for Africa. It’s a multi billion dollar waste that should not take priority over tax cuts. Some stupid spending is bi partisan but it is still stupid spending. Bubba started that little program and Bush was conned into going along with an increase. The Donkeys cheered his decision increasing it and they now have a huge new package wending its way through the congress to spend almost a trillion more in overseas aid. If we are truly concerned about a deficit kill these wasteful feel good programs and let people here keep the money they earned. The same is true of the housing bill that the Donkeys pushed, the RINOs went along with, and Bush now says he’ll sign. People got in over their head usually due to stupidity, some greedy buyers were playing the market at the wrong time, some leaders got greedy, and the government was pushing affirmative action lending to unqualified buyers forcing lenders to go along with bad loans. Now the fiscally prudent are supposed to bail them out? "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 26, 2008 12:13 AM:

" "It also confirms what I’ve said that you want the “rich” to support you or anyone who makes less than they do with transfer payments that are really spending."

Wrong. If tax breaks are going to be given, I want fairer treatment to the middle and lower class. EVERYONE acknowledges that Bush's tax breaks favored the high income folks. Regardless, my real desire is to have a Congress and President who consistently bring in spending and increase revenue to balance the budget and avoid the continued increase of debt. The republican majority has failed miserably at reducing spending. Someone has to pay this debt eventually unless the country declares bankruptcy. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 26, 2008 12:07 AM:

" "Your 10:24 PM post confirms you’re a "progressive" (socialist, marxists) not any fiscal conservative."

To be honest, arguing for a balanced budget and paying down the national deficit is hardly a socialist attitude. My problem is the republican party claims to do this when in reality the party since Reagan was elected has done just the opposite mainly to provide hefty tax breaks for high income individuals. The end result in both cases is a weak economy and weak dollar. Bush I was stuck trying to fix Reagan's economic mistakes which caught up with him by the time he left office. Clinton finally got things pointed in the right direction only to have the republicans again borrow and spend in the most extravagant manner. Again, it is all catching up with us now. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 26, 2008 12:03 AM:

" "Tax cuts are not spending, just letting people keep their own money allowing them to take care of themselves."

This is very true, but, in the bigger picture you have to balance the overall needs of society with a fair taxation plan so that revenue = expenses. Elected leaders are irresponsible if the economy tanks because of massive debt because the same leaders make poor management decisions resulting in prolonged deficit spending and excessive borrowing. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:59 PM:

" "you want it to be our parent and take care of us telling us all what to do and holding our hand if we get a booboo."

You are living in the 1800s. It is time to deal with the present. The reality is: Government does provide a safety net for society. I would argue that most of the country desires that. The larger issue is balancing funding those needs with the proper revenue. Bush's mistake (and Ronnie's) is that massive tax breaks for the wealthy is simply unwise when deficit financing results OR you have to adjust spending to revenue. To double the national deficit under a republican president and republican Congress is simple fiscal irresponsibility and does not mirror the conservative values which I hold dear. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:57 PM:

" cats: For me to debate you there needs to be some real knowledge of the issues on your part. Unfortunately, you have talking points and nothing else but cute little insults on occasions. You have a total lack of understanding of history, how government operates under the Constitution, or even a real knowledge of current events. I notice you, (un)reasonable, and most “progressives” suddenly change the subject when one of your DNC or leftwing group talking points are exposed for the fraud that they are. You can all rant about “Regan’s Deficit” or Bubba’s “peace and prosperity” but the facts remain then Regan inherited a real mess from Peanuthead and had a Donkey congress for his entire eight years that controlled any fiscal legislation and Bubba had Haiti, the Somalia debacle, his Balkan Excellent Adventure, multiple terror attacks with no response other than WTC1, stagnant growth rates for two years after his tax increase, and a recession when he left office. That doesn’t mean that Republicans couldn’t have done a better job in some cases but the Donkeys have and continue to be a disaster. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:53 PM:

" "You fail to realize that the deficits are caused by politicians, mostly Donkeys, buying votes by spending other people’s money on the hanger-ons in society,"

I would be hesitant to describe social security as a fund for hanger-ons! The vast majority of citizens receiving SS are hard working dedicated patriots. The main issue, which you never address, is that Georgie, with his republican majority, has dramatically increased spending while cutting revenues. The deficit spending is horrible for the country and economy. No one wants higher taxes, but deficit financing for the long term is even worse for the country and drags the entire economy down. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:40 PM:

" cats: The facts are in your way again. The Executive Branch does not have constitutional responsibility for the budget, taxing, spending, and debt ceiling legislation. That is the responsibility of the congress specifically the House Ways and Means Committee. Donkeys in charge there from 1954 to 1994 and 2007 to 2008. Bubba’s alleged balanced budget was actually when the Republicans were in charge. There is also the little factor that the House legislation needs to be approved by the Senate where the Donkeys were in charge in 2001 through 2002 and could have filibuster anything for the other four Bush2 years, Re you insanity posted on 7/19/08 at 10:15 AM where YOU said $10B per month borrowed from China. Borrowing required to support our government spending including the Obummer third world giveaway. I never was DK since I never felt the need to try to create your “overwhelm them with blast posts” justification for your lack of facts but I wonder what happened to him. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:26 PM:

" (un)reasonable: On your electric cars you need to do some real thinking about their value. Not everyone drives 60 miles a day or less when you factor in all commuting and errands that need to be run. Distance in commutes depends upon where you live and some commutes are more than 30 miles one way (had a couple myself in the past). Any pleasure trips or motoring vacations are out. Those that use their cars for business like sales people, delivery people, etc are unemployed. No more motor police patrols particularly big cities, large counties, and state police. Taxis are a thing of the past. Then there is battery disposal, safety issues, emergencies that come up before the vehicle recharges, effect of bad weather on commute times, and other considerations to factor in. So maybe they aren’t that great of an idea after all. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:54 PM:

" (un)reasonable: Your 10:24 PM post confirms you’re a "progressive" (socialist, marxists) not any fiscal conservative. It’s no business of the federal government to become our parents or guardians. For one who wants the government out of its real national security function because it’s too intrusive and a threat to freedom, you want it to be our parent and take care of us telling us all what to do and holding our hand if we get a booboo. That’s a sure road to real loss of freedom, total government control, and economic enslavement. To bleat about fiscal responsibility and then want to reward personal irresponsibility is an example of you inconsistent postings. It also confirms what I’ve said that you want the “rich” to support you or anyone who makes less than they do with transfer payments that are really spending. Tax cuts are not spending, just letting people keep their own money allowing them to take care of themselves. You fail to realize that the deficits are caused by politicians, mostly Donkeys, buying votes by spending other people’s money on the hanger-ons in society, "

The Cats wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:47 PM:

" Hey The Cat...your words...

"You try hard avoiding the cold facts that the Donkeys are the big spenders and the big taxers while still managing to create the big deficits".

In the last 28 years the republicans have controlled the executive branch 20 years. In those 20 Regan and Bush have spent us into untold debt, record debt, with huge deficits, while failing to control their own spending. The 8 years the Democrats were in the White House (with an opposition party controlling the congress) brought us massive expansion of the economy, a glorious time for business expansion, middle class tax reductions, balanced budgets and a surplus (that boy George spent in less than 9 months). Cat I love your revisionist history but really try some facts just once please. There is a reason the republican party is in shambles...they simply do not know how to govern. Spend and spend...the new republican motto and now they give us a candidate who, in his own immortal words, says it best, "I know nothing about the economy". The public knows that...LOL in November. "

The Cats wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:37 PM:

" To The Cat..."let's be reasonable" (an idea I think most humans would agree with) quotes your words back to you, picks them apart (phrases and sentences...not just individual words), exposes them for what they are, and stops. You quote nothing and just rant over and over...picking out a few words and failing to address the issues he raises. You fill your diatribes with some tired,old, insults ("tools for fools" as on posters has described them), and then add some more insults before running out of space. Why not try just engaging in debate? I (and all others) know you are out gunned in the battle of wits with him, but try just defending your hero (boy George) and your movement. You might pick up more than 2 or 3 allies in the debate and you certainly would gain a little respect from everyone. "

The Cats wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:27 PM:

" To The Cat...your words...

"borrowing money from China"...we are not borrowing the money China is buying us and boy George has no choice but to let it happen or raise taxes to pay for the "profligate spending spree (the words of a conservative, republican senator) the republicans are on. As to the rest of your rant I made no comment on those issues so rant away 28%'er. LOL in November. Thanks for the insults...so perfectly defined by another radical poster on these pages...insults..."tools for fools". LOL in November. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:24 PM:

" "paying for baby sitting and calling it Head Start, shoring up local governments that overspend their tax base, providing medical care to those that don’t want to pay for it, guaranteeing mortgages, and a host of other transfer payments are not."

You need to join reality. If the citizenry could really manage things well we might not need things like social security. Unfortunately, social security, medicare, etc. are here to stay. Actually, the federal government has put much more pressure on state governments by not covering things at the federal level. So I would argue that the present federal government is actually not as generous as you describe. The main thing is not to spend more than you bring in and Bush et al. has been a miserable failure at fiscal responsibility. "

The Cats wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:22 PM:

" To The Cat...thanks for not posting as DK any longer. Is "elcid" your new alias? He "elcid" you don't need to shout, there is very little background noise in the small republican tent that contains the 28% who approve of this failed President (12% who think the country is going in the right direction). LOL in November. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:19 PM:

" "Your basic problem is you like others to be taxed so you can have a big government that controls everything. Doesn’t quite work that way."

Your wrong. I want a government that does not spend more than it brings in, however the revenues are brought in. The current taxation system is unfair. High deficits cause a slow economy. I am against the unPATRIOTic Act and prefer a government that sets higher moral standards than sanctioning torture. Screw you on the Marxist crap. "

The Cats wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:18 PM:

" Nice of McSame today to endorse Obama's plan for troop withdrawal in Iraq. This after virtually calling him a traitor all week and condemning Obama for agreeing (as he has been for a year now) with the IRAQI'S that we should get out. It seems McSame has finally realized that we should do what the people we "freed for democracy" have asked us to do...get out of their country. Maybe we can then get back to fighting terrorists in Afghanistan. McSame...Bush light (how that is possible I still do not know). LOL in November. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:15 PM:

" "On your love affair with electric cars, what is the value of a car that can only go 60 miles on a charge and then needs 8 hours to recharge? You’re better off with a horse and buggy."

Most people, unless they commute a long distance, would be able to do their daily driving and charge up at night. If gas hits $6-7 gallon people will be glad to spend a few cents charging up in the p.m. vs. spending hard cash on gas. You need to read up on the Volt being made by GM. "

The Cats wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:14 PM:

" It seems we have another clone of "The Cat" on these pages. Hey "elcid" there are other news (LOL) sources than Rush and FIX news. You should probably gather some factual information before posting. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:11 PM:

" (un)reasonable: You try hard avoiding the cold facts that the Donkeys are the big spenders and the big taxers while still managing to create the big deficits. When the specifics of past Donkey spending and taxes are pointed out you avoid responding or try to find a Republican at fault even if the Donkeys control the whole government like under LBJ or the fiscal bill writing power like from 1954 to 1994. Don’t peg the big spending to 1980 but go back to the New Deal and Great Society where the huge and constantly growing spending programs began. The tax receipts and GDP figures show that tax cuts generate more revenue in part due to more economic activity. When the current Donkey big spending items are listed and their new tax initiatives are pointed out, you again avoid an answer or give an excuse like additional gasoline taxes or housing bailout are good policy. If you truly think than Obummer is going to give you a “middle class” tax cut you are really dumber than your posts. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 9:54 PM:

" "Showing your ultra left “progressive” leanings on the AIDS post."

To be honest, I don't feel that strongly about it. You missed the larger point that foreign aid is a bi-partisan issue and Bush has been a strong proponent of pushing for the AIDS funding. So, President Bush must also be the ultra-liberal you describe. Personally, I view my role as more of a fiscal conservative. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 9:16 PM:

" (un)reasonable: Quack, quack on the duck on Obummer’s failure to practice what he preaches on foreign language usage and his quick change of plans on visiting the troops in Landstuhl. He did manage to play basketball instead since his campaign photo op got nixed. I see you’re still fixated on JFK being the Cuban Missile Crisis “hero” not the cause that he actually was. Your Obummer tried for a JFK moment in Berlin. That was another JFK double goof too. He let the USSR put up the wall, did nothing, and then gave a speech saying, “I am a jelly donut”. I guess those two senate losers do have a lot in common. On your love affair with electric cars, what is the value of a car that can only go 60 miles on a charge and then needs 8 hours to recharge? You’re better off with a horse and buggy. Might be slower but more range. For one who is so afraid the Bush administration is going to control you you’re willing to give up all your freedom to the environmentalists. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 8:35 PM:

" (un)reasonable: Contrary to what you would like to think, war making and other national defense and security issues like intelligence gathering are Constitutional responsibilities of the Federal Government. Funding paintings of the Virgin with cow feces and other alleged art, paying for baby sitting and calling it Head Start, shoring up local governments that overspend their tax base, providing medical care to those that don’t want to pay for it, guaranteeing mortgages, and a host of other transfer payments are not. Since you like those programs but don’t want to pay for them why should someone with a greater income than you be forced to support you unconstitutional programs? Your basic problem is you like others to be taxed so you can have a big government that controls everything. Doesn’t quite work that way. Don’t tells us you’re a fiscal conservative either. You’re a marxist “progressive” like Obummer. "

elcid wrote on Jul 25, 2008 8:29 PM:

" isabelle. It was inexcusable that 12 soldiers died because of faulty wiriing in their quarters. That does not make everything that happens faulty.Talk to the soldiers that are on their third tour over there, what is really going on.yOU WILL FIND THAT THE NEWS YOU GET FROM OVER THERE IS SENSATIONALISM TO MAKE GOOD READING.Did tou read in the news in bold print that 1200 Marines were administered the oath of reinlistment in Bagdad. Have you gone out to the Airport to welcome home a soldier returning grom Iraq or Afganistan? Talk to those who have been there and don't be swayed by a reporter trying to make his namein the news world. "

elcid wrote on Jul 25, 2008 8:15 PM:

" I have come to a conclusion that after reading all these responses, there are several of you that should be running for a government office. You have all the answers. All you need is millions of dollars to gert your name on the ballot. A Doctor of Political Science once said"the person most qualified to run our nation,is out there ,unable to come forward, due to unavailable funds, because you have to have money to do so." "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 8:10 PM:

" (un)reasonable: Showing your ultra left “progressive” leanings on the AIDS post. It’s a tenet of the “progressive” religion (Obummer messiah) that we “rich” Americans (of any income level) must support the government in its welfare transfer schemes to those who don’t want to fend for themselves or consistently make bad decisions from which we must then bail them out. The African AIDS farce is prime example no matter who’s supporting the funding (started by Bibba). It’s pouring good money down a rat hole since the issue’s a cultural one not really a medical issue. Without changing behavior the funds are a waste of our “borrowed China dollars”. However, it’s a leftist PC issue since it’s a “protected” medical problem as opposed to the increase in malaria throughout the world since DDT was banned (using junk science). That’s also a leftist PC issue so if people get sick or die that’s OK because it’s also a tenet of the “progressive” religion. "

elcid wrote on Jul 25, 2008 7:40 PM:

" Obama did not collect 200,000 to hear him speak. There was a Rock Group scheduled to perform that day . Obama's crew knew about it and played the game to make it appear they came to see him. Put all the blame on one man for all that has happened is pure BS.No matter who wins this election, there will be those who will say "told you so" Our main concern now should be to keep America Strong, and quit this idiodic blame game, and political armchair quarterbacking. (KEVIN) You don't know what Mccain will do if elected, anymore than knowing what Obama will do. This is all electionering gobbleygoop. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:43 PM:

" "when you send funds overseas for no valid reason that is called wasteful spending."

The "valid reason" argument is up for debate. Bush has led the charge to send funds to help stop AIDS in Africa. It that a valid use of American cash (probably borrowed from China) or should we just keep the money ourselves? Should Americans both domestically and internationally at some level of minimal effort help they neighbor or simply be greedy capitalists? These are really basic questions about who we are and what we do as a country. Unfortunately, most of the extreme deficit spending by both Ronnie and Georgie was not about noble causes but simply selfish interests. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:39 PM:

" "As to Social Security it appears to be that your Donkey buddies spent the “lock box” trust fund to zero so maybe would have been better off it the funds had gone into the market."

What do you think Bush has been doing? "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:39 PM:

" "but letting US citizens keep more of their tax money is a fiscally irresponsible act?"

You live in the Twilight Zone. No one in their right mind would object to paying lower taxes and keeping their money. No one wants to pay more taxes. It is more the case of a republican administration NOT choosing to live within its means. It is common knowledge that Bush passed a tax break that really favored the top two percent of wage earners in this country and not the large majority of the citizenry. Adding items like the Iraq war as led to much worse deficit spending has led to the weak economy and weak dollar. It is really rather simple. I am sure if you asked most people would you rather have a strong economy, lots of jobs, and more disposable income they would take that option over a inordinate tax brea for the top two percent of wage earners, many of whom have gone on record to say the Bush tax breaks were basically immoral. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:33 PM:

" "Obummer’s new foreign aid"

This is a joke. Every administration, republican and democrat, has spent money on foreign aid. The actual cost of the aid is really very minimal in terms of the overall federal budget. Nation building in Iraq according to the no nation building candidate Bush is infinitely more expensive. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:05 PM:

" cats: Noticed from one of your earlier posts another one of your confused concepts equating borrowing money from China with spending money on Obummer’s new foreign aid “initiative”. At least when you borrow you receive funds but when you send funds overseas for no valid reason that is called wasteful spending. Perhaps (with your and (un)reasonable’s obsession with the deficit) you might consider that all that money going to the third world is also borrowed money. So you are OK borrowing money from China to send to the likes of Zimbabwe and its marxist régime but letting US citizens keep more of their tax money is a fiscally irresponsible act? As to Social Security it appears to be that your Donkey buddies spent the “lock box” trust fund to zero so maybe would have been better off it the funds had gone into the market. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:30 PM:

" "(actually IRS statistics show that the “rich” are paying MORE of the tax burden after the Bush cuts)"

To be honest, this really does not matter if deficit spending is still the end result and the economy is going sour. The larger issue is that Bush and Congress over the past several years have not equalized spending with revenues thus increasing greatly the national deficit. Thus, the prolonged deficit spending has resulted in a sour economy and dollar almost half its original value when Georgie took office. This just did not happen. It was the result of the worse form of fiscal irresponsibility on the part of government. The system is so out of wack right now in terms of republican debt build up that there may be no hope for fiscal integrity in the near future. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:20 PM:

" "It’s important to remember that Kennedy had combat experience in World War II"

I could not agree more. It is curious that a President with no combat experience and a chickenhawk Vice-president were quick to go to war when GHWB was very reluctant to do so, fashioned a true coalition and got out as quick as possible. Georgie's is so disliked by the American population that even the republican party does not want him to make an appearance at their summer nominating convention. He truly will go down as the most despised President in American history to date. "

gad wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:19 PM:

" great hemingway comment anchor!
i think it's time to give unreasonable the standing 8 count, he's out on his(her) feet, blaming president bush, time after excruciating time, for the fact that obama is an idiot. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:15 PM:

" "Clinton balanced the budget without any congressional support from the Republicans."

I never said this. I have repeatedly acknowledged that Clinton's ability to balance the budget and begin to put the fiscal house in order was the result of his ability to lead and work with both parties. The question is why Georgie could not continue this with a republican majority. We know why. He had to pass a tax break for the wealthy while increasing spending which has doubled the national deficit and destroyed the economy in the process. Ronnie basically did the same thing, the economy eventually went sour and GHWB had to raise taxes to try and keep the government afloat. NO ONE wants to pay more taxes, but there is a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things. Prolonged deficit spending never works. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:12 PM:

" "pushing huge energy taxes but the Donkeys"

Big oil makes absolutely obscene profits. It is reasonable to apply taxation in a fair manner especially with the country in deep republican debt which someone will have to pay some day. Who might that be? Or is the solution to keep digging a deeper debt hole until all government revenue is used to pay interest on the debt with nothing left over for the needs of society such as infrastructure and a basic safety net. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:09 PM:

" "You realize you have zero creditability when you constantly contradict yourself?"

Hmmm. I think I have been pretty consistent. Deficit financing does not work. The current tax system is broken. The latter favors the rich and penalizes the middle and lower class. A national sales tax would be far better. Back to deficit financing. The republicans have blown the roof off the national debt house by not equalizing revenue streams with expenditures. Every administration struggles with this issue, but Georgie and Ronnie win the prize. Every time prolonged deficit spending occurs the economy goes sour. Individuals who go deeply into debt struggle in the worse way. The same is true for families, businesses, and government, state and federal. Spin it however you want but the national deficit doubled on Bush's watch and we are paying for it in every possible way. We forever are now in President Bush's debt. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:02 PM:

" "Who is holding back the gas tax holiday"

No one takes this seriously. Get real. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:01 PM:

" "(neither of which give any real practical results and have big technical problems) and smashing oil companies will."

You truly are out of touch. Mercedes is going to a non-petroleum fleet by 2014. GM is on target to market Volt by 2010. We will see electric cars all over the country during the next 12 years. It has nothing to do w/smashing oil companies and everything with keeping costs down and lowering the cost of power and gas. The less demand there is for gas the lower the price will go. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:58 PM:

" "As a matter of fact you can’t get any details on his class standing at either university, his grade average, his LSAT scores, his medical record, and even his birth certificate is questionable (a phony one has been provided). And now his voting records in the Illinois Senate have mysteriously disappeared and there are questions on his IL bar application."

This is ALL right wing B.S. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:58 PM:

" "and goes overseas and can’t speak any language but English."

Your comments really are laughable. You bash Senator Obama and defend Georgie and the latter only speaks one language, UNRECOGNIZABLE ENGLISH. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:56 PM:

" "Obummer is auditioning for the presidency, not Bush."

It is pretty clear now that Bush failed his audition for the square office, but, unfortunately was still admitted by a rigged court and electoral college system that does not work. Based on pure potential, Senator Obama is much stronger. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:35 PM:

" (un)reasonable: You realize you have zero creditability when you constantly contradict yourself? The current Donkey crew in congress (with Fancy Nancy running the house as Supreme Goddess violating all the rules and never letting anything come to the floor she doesn’t want passed) is given a pass by you for its abject failure but Regan pushed everything through with the majority in both houses Donkeys and Clinton balanced the budget without any congressional support from the Republicans. Drilling OUR oil will not reduce our oil dependency but wind farms and electric cars (neither of which give any real practical results and have big technical problems) and smashing oil companies will. Republican are responsible for higher taxes (actually IRS statistics show that the “rich” are paying MORE of the tax burden after the Bush cuts) when the income tax itself, all the big increases (including your boy Bubba’s), and such “progressive” initiatives like the AMT are all Donkey initiatives. Who is holding back the gas tax holiday, pushing a 10-cent gas tax increase, and pushing huge energy taxes but the Donkeys. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:05 PM:

" (un)reasonable: Good duck on the Obummer’s “world tour” performance. His lies about why he didn’t visit the troops in German, vapid speech, the real nature of his crown draw, and failure to use the local language are all ignored. He lectures us peons (or is it “atheists”?) on learning foreign languages to make visitors here feel at home and goes overseas and can’t speak any language but English. Isn’t he the smartest person to ever run for president? BTW, Obummer did not graduate “at the top of his class” As a matter of fact you can’t get any details on his class standing at either university, his grade average, his LSAT scores, his medical record, and even his birth certificate is questionable (a phony one has been provided). And now his voting records in the Illinois Senate have mysteriously disappeared and there are questions on his IL bar application. “No Paper Trail” Obummer is a real stealth candidate. Hot flash to you and the other “progressives”; Obummer is auditioning for the presidency, not Bush. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:54 AM:

" "or I don't want oil rigs on my coastline it might upset my view of the ocean, and let"

I am fine w/off shore drilling as long as alternative energy measures are pursued w/equal vigor. This country could already have reasonably priced electric cars if Georgie and his oil friends had pushed for them. If you had a car that could daily cover 60 miles on electricity the oil problem would be solved and prices would be much lower. Big oil does not want it because they don't want their profits to drop. It has taken basically a national emergency for the public to clamor for a new direction in automobiles because of the pocketbook issues w/the price of gas. Finally, the car companies are reacting. But, it could have happened before now. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:49 AM:

" "the ugly American image he preaches against, and more fitting for a “citizen of the world”."

I think you can thank Georgie the "unidealist" for the current American negative image because of invading a basically helpless country which had NOTHING to do w/9/11 as well as the documented and rather immoral torture policies adopted by the republican administration and approved for use in the CIA and military. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:45 AM:

" "How can you blame George the 43rd"

It is easy. Georgie passed an unfair tax break which did not do enough for folks making less than $200,000 and in the process raised the deficit to historical levels which in turn has really hurt the economy. Virtually every decision Georgie has made or persuaded the republican majority to go along with has turned into S _ _ _. Add the long-term cost of the Iraq war and the country is so far in republican debit (going back to Ronnie) that it will take a small miracle for the next president to try and fix the Georgiedisaster. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:39 AM:

" "but it is the liberals who want us to be dependent on foregin oil, we can"

Really. Your exaggeration (again) belies the point that both parties want oil independence. If anything, this oil connected administration has taken actions to slow or halt the develop of alternative options which in the end is the only option to break the oil habit. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:37 AM:

" "but ask yourself what is the approval rating of the Dem controled congress 9%"

The do nothing republicans can block anything they want in the Senate. Don't kid yourself about a Democratic controlled congress. The approval rate for congress has been low for both parties for years. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:34 AM:

" "North America has the worlds largest untapped oil reserves in the WORLD."

See post below. There are many new leases that have been awarded where big oil is not drilling. How about if they get their act together and start. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:31 AM:

" "Form [From] you posts it is obvious that you only admire Republicans when they are really Donkeys."

We can look at the pattern since 1980 and Georgie and Ronnie busted the budget and between them tripled and doubled the national deficit. GHWB raised taxes. Clinton balanced the budget and left office with a surplus. Georgie has ruined the economy w/his borrow and spend tactics and a dog bone of a tax break for most of us. Whatever value the few hundred dollars is/was has long been destroyed by the poor economy.
What's left? Don't give me the republican fiscal irresponsibility. Senator Obama has promised a tax break and a pay as you go strategy to right the fiscal ship. I will give him a chance. Almost anything will be better than Georgieonomics. "

Rush O'Riley wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:29 AM:

" Hey (UN)reasonable How can you blame George the 43rd, I will admit that he was spoon fed by big oil, but if you would actually sit down and do some reasearch instead of spouting off at the mouth and blaming EVERYTHING that is wrong with America on George the 43rd. North America has the worlds largest untapped oil reserves in the WORLD. Enought to fuel america for the next 80 to 100 years, but it is the liberals who want us to be dependent on foregin oil, we can't drill here it might upset the mating habits of the spotted barn owl, or I don't want oil rigs on my coastline it might upset my view of the ocean, and lets talk about Georges approval rating, I know in low, but ask yourself what is the approval rating of the Dem controled congress 9%. so before you go spouting off at the mouth and blame everything on George the 43rd. get your facts straight "

anchor wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:23 AM:

" The cats - Holy cow you are long winded. Any chance you can sum up your point in under 600 words? Hemmingway was more to-the-point than you.....oh yeah, LOL, too. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:04 AM:

" (un)reasonable: It was sure swell for Obummer to speak as a citizen of the world before 200K people in Germany (who can’t vote for him fortunately) but disses the troops at Landstuhl. Of course when you couple you sermon with two concerts, free beer, and free brats you might draw a large crowd. One question, though, why didn’t your messiah give his epistle in the local European language (Deutsch) since he has pointed out our sin of not knowing languages of people who visit the US? Certainly that would have been cosmopolitan, avoided the ugly American image he preaches against, and more fitting for a “citizen of the world”. Could it be the elitist, arrogant, “don’t do what I do but what I say” approach you “progressives” always practice? "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 9:46 AM:

" (un)reasonable: The big problem with your “high taxes are killing me” rant is your total lack of understanding as to who raises your taxes: DONKEYS. Apparently you didn’t get your messiah’s message in Berlin yesterday where we need to may more taxes to solve global poverty (as his current foreign aid bill points toward). Clinton raised taxes on everyone, the Donkeys are proposing a gas tax hike, and it was their plan on carbon taxes. Form you posts it is obvious that you only admire Republicans when they are really Donkeys. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 25, 2008 8:58 AM:

" (un)reasonable: Re your statement on your messiah Obummer: “Would you believe, intelligent, gifted, and articulate? " The answer is an emphatic NO and he shows his lack of intelligence, articulation, and being gifted on a daily basis. Just look at the farce of his “world tour” and his misstatements like Israel being the friend of Israel as proof of his total lack of stature and qualifications and even “articulation”. He may wear a suit well but it is a totally empty suit. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:46 AM:

" Timothy Egan:

"Meanwhile, looking bravely to the past, Bush and McCain are trying to convince us that more oil drilling will save us from $5-a-gallon gas. History says otherwise. The number of oil and gas permits on federal land doubled in the last five years, with NO effect on price or supply. And Bush’s own Energy Information Administration says increased drilling wouldn’t move the market...."

How about drilling on the permits granted in the last 5 years!! "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:15 AM:

" "Kennedy did talk to Khruschev in 1961 regarding the Cuban missile crisis. Khruschev backed down and removed the missiles in the face of U.S. power"

Kennedy did not actually "talk" to Khruschev. The communications were electronic teletype. It is a good thing that Kennedy did take the time to try and work things out w/the Russians, otherwise the radical right wingers (who want to raise the deficit higher until all our tax money goes to pay only interest on national debt) would not be here to blog. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:11 AM:

" "raise govenment taxes ten-cents / gallon"

What didn't Georgie and his republican majority give me a meaningful tax break instead of throwing me a pitiful bone while giving most the dollars to the wealthy? "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:09 AM:

" "i.e answer to energy policy"

You need a period and comma after the e as "i.e.,"

Well, to being with I would focus more alternate energy, encourage investment in non-petroleum cars, and improve rail infrastructure which has been neglected and now we need. Georgie's simplistic solution is to just advise America to drive less. He also has held up renewal of a bill that would provide tax benefits/credits to those that invest in solar energy in their homes. He is quick to cut taxes for the wealthy but when it comes to solar energy he is quick to not assist. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:04 AM:

" "Pretty cowardly if you ask me."

This is a stupid statement. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:03 AM:

" "It is so easy to say that you have looked back in the politics of Nevada but as usual you are full of it with your jesters of generality and no facts."

All you have to do is check for yourself. Your comment is a unsubstantiated response which shows that I was right. I will type this slooooowly so you understand: If you check the overall pattern of voting in Nevada historically, it is a conservative state, not a state that would elect an extreme left wing wacho Senator. End of discussion. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:00 AM:

" "Mr. Obama is a glib, charismatic politician,"

Would you believe, intelligent, gifted, and articulate? "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 12:59 AM:

" "true left wing wacko just as Pelosi, Daschle, Schummer and Durbin."

Maybe you would now like to describe a true right wing wacko! Daschle was and is a moderate elected from a very conservative state where my family is from. To describe him as left wing is beyond reason. He could NEVER have been elected Senator from SD if he really were a wacko left wing. Your logic is unreasonable and over the edge. I won't even address the other elected officials. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 12:49 AM:

" "but have not substantial or real solutions to those problems that you criticize."

You can't be serious. I can give you a long list of steps that Bush could have avoided which would make America a better place right now. It is hard to imagine that one president and one party could do so MUCH damage so quickly. Look, Georgie's poll numbers have bottomed out and are going no where. The majority of MODERATE Americans despise what he has done to the country both fiscally and morally. I also will gladly give you a long list of steps which pretty much any reasonable person would take to try and FIX things. Sorry, this is limited to 200 words. It would take a large book to discuss Georgie's mistakes in trying to be the inept President that he is. Unfortunately, Georgie is only a SHADOW of his Dad, who showed pretty decent judgement as a president and human being. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 25, 2008 12:44 AM:

" "Yet that should not be a surprise being that is a trait of a liberal."

Your nuts. I have been to Las Vegas numerous times and you can't base election patterns on a few nutcases that play slots in casinos nor the politics of Harry. He was elected senator from a basically conservative state and that simply would not have happened for a "left wing" senator. At best he is moderate. Furthermore, your blatant categorization of folks like myself who hate high deficits, borrowing and spending, and want a fiscally responsible government, which Georgie and his rich pals are not, simply shows that you are a liberal of the worse kind. You are willing to spend someone else's money to have lower taxes now and in the process destroy the economy. The current republican party is simply the most liberal possible in blowing the budget and not managing affairs properly. If you want true conservatism and fiscal responsibility, and a REAL tax break under Senator Obama, you better vote democratic. Georgie (and Ronnie) threw me a bone for tax relief and kept the rest for themselves while fooling the citizenry. "

Conservative wrote on Jul 24, 2008 11:45 PM:

" (Un) Reasonable: It is so easy to say that you have looked back in the politics of Nevada but as usual you are full of it with your jesters of generality and no facts. As a person that has lived in Vegas, Ol' dingy harry is a true left wing wacko just as Pelosi, Daschle, Schummer and Durbin. Your non-sense is trully remarkable! Yet that should not be a surprise being that is a trait of a liberal. Reach and grab statements that suit your ideologies. What a bunch of garbage just as your typical "no solution" rhetoric regarding energy (i.e answer to energy policy, raise govenment taxes ten-cents / gallon) . You and "the Cats", Meh, and LOL are quick to bash and critique our current President, but have not substantial or real solutions to those problems that you criticize. Pretty cowardly if you ask me. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 24, 2008 11:11 PM:

" "We strip search prisoners in jails"

I don't think anyone would categorize a strip search as torture. Maybe instead we might address beatings, electrical shock, a few of the nicer things our government has sanctioned both on U.S. territory and in "approved" torture centers abroad. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:56 PM:

" "I understand now that reasonable is really WestSideGirl."

LOL at your post. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:55 PM:

" "An political eternity I might add. Anything can happen."

I wonder why over 200,000 Germans showed up to hear the Senator speak? Senator McCain, the total bore that he is, would attract maybe 25,000, if that! The world is simply starved for an American President with ideas who can change the really terrible direction the country has been in under Georgie's non-leadership mode. The republican loyalists, if they had their way, would not have Georgie seen or on camera at their convention because he has been such a dunce as President and is so utterly unpopular for virtually all his policy positions and actions. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:49 PM:

" "not doing anything, as usual, to solve the energy problem in this country."

Really. And what has Georgie done that is forward looking except to want to drill more which in the long run does NOTHING to solve the long-term problem of American dependency on foreign oil. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:45 PM:

" "So for you to say this is a Conservative state is absolutely non-sense where the vote can go either way"

I have looked at results much further back than you have and Nevada is clearly a conservative state historically. Of course, with any state, there can be a bump in the pattern, but, basically it is conservative. My point is that it truly is an exaggeration to say that Harry is "far left" when it would be almost impossible to win a Senatorial election in a state with such close votes in recent presidential elections. It would be much more correct to say that he is moderate, which is truly the case. Again, your exaggeration is noted for its inaccuracy as it your lack of knowledge of the historical pattern of Nevada voting. This truly is the end of that discussion. "

The Cat wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:35 PM:

" (un)reasonable and Cats: You can’t really be as ignorant and ideological as you try to be in your posts? You spew the same non-“facts” constantly. Waterboarding is done to some of our troops as part of their training. We strip search prisoners in jails throughout the US at all governmental levels and even strip search some school students (usually due to some “progressive” inspired idiocy), and even aggressively search airplane passengers (as long as they don’t look muslim). As to Gitmo, if you consider that kid glove treatment to be torture or mistreatment what would you like to have the administration do with them? How about giving one detainee each to those that think they’re “mistreated” or need more “rights”? You might want to hide the knives in the house, though, when you get your poor, mistreated, misunderstood terrorist. As to the “Dark Side”, Jane Mayer is another leftwing author whose two other books were also trashing those on the right side of the political spectrum. Not exactly an “unbiased” source. She also conveniently “forgets” these terror suspects are not under the Geneva Convention. "

Tom Terrific wrote on Jul 24, 2008 6:43 PM:

" I feel I owe LOL liberal an apology. I used to think you were lets be reasonable. I understand now that reasonable is really WestSideGirl. No one else can post so that many times and still say nothing. "

Conservative wrote on Jul 24, 2008 5:28 PM:

" (Un) reasonable: You might want to check on a few things as well. LOL when the Senate has a democratic majority again in 08 and perhaps 60 seats. At least it will be a fighting chance to put through Senator Obama's tax cuts for those making under $250,000 unlike the dog bone Bush threw people for a tax cut.

You seem pretty smug with the idea that Barry is going to be elected. Well guess what its along time to November. An political eternity I might add. Anything can happen. The polls are getting tighter and McCain is closing in. Doesn't seem that your man has had any bounce in the polls since he has been strutting his over confident self overseas. Even with the biased press spins he is not overwhelming McCain. I wouldn't be so sure that you donkeys will pick up all of the seats you're salivating over especially since the Democrats want to raise the tax at the pump and not doing anything, as usual, to solve the energy problem in this country. If this tax is an example of what's to come, voters will see through all of your liberal bs.l "

Conservative wrote on Jul 24, 2008 5:14 PM:

" (Un) Reasonable: Really. Nevada voted for Bush in 2004 and 2000. Obviously you don't know much about elections. Historically, election results show that Nevada is a conservative state that tends to vote conservative.

Lets set the record straight on Nevada being a "Conservative" state. Although it is true that Bush won the electoral vote in 2000 & 2004, Clinton won in 1992 and 1996. Of the last (5) Governors in the state 2-terms were of a Democratic Governor. Of the last (6) Senatorial terms, (4) have been Democratic. Clark County is the largest metropolitan county in Nevada (Las Vegas / Henderson) where Kerry and Gore carried the popular vote by 52% in each of the last (2) elections and Rep. Berkley (Dem) carried each election by 52% & 66% respectively. So for you to say this is a Conservative state is absolutely non-sense where the vote can go either way. End of discussion "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 24, 2008 4:07 PM:

" "I think the only changes will be higher taxes, bigger government programs and fewer freedoms for you and me."

The Bush administration has set the record on invasive surveillance, increasing the size of government, doubling the national deficit, and passing meaningless tax breaks for the middle and lower class (compared to what he did for his rich friends). Senator Obama is on record, repeatedly, for lowering taxes from what they presently are for those citizens making less than $250,000 and also re-prioritizing expenses so that we pay down the national debt. You might want to re-think the typical republican spin which has been a multitude of lies to the American public ever since Ronnie was elected and tripled the deficit. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 24, 2008 4:03 PM:

" "How could a TRUE American even think about voting for a guy who refuses to put his hand over his heart during to national Anthem"

Hmmmm. I wonder why, every time I have seen the Senator on TV, he was wearing an American flag pin, saluting the flag, singing the praises of American values, and also saying the pledge of allegiance. You must watch Fox News only. They photo op quite a bit. LOL "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 24, 2008 3:59 PM:

" "He needs to be defeated in November or life in the U.S. is going to change drastically — and not for the better."

It seems to me with the dollar dropping almost 50% in value, millions of foreclosures, high gas prices, job losses, a busted economy, a nation deeply in debt to foreign countries including communist countries, and a need to realign out military obligations to really catch the terrorists in Afghanistan, that the country has changed quite a bit under Georgie's "torturous" rule. Might I suggest that a change in direction could be a breath of fresh air. "

Rush O'Riley wrote on Jul 24, 2008 3:56 PM:

" How can anyone believe that the military actually cheered for Obama on Monday, obviously a Staged photo set up by his campain. With all the media coverage he is getting overseas, you would think the he discovered a cure for HIV and Cancer and single handly brought world peace.. How could a TRUE American even think about voting for a guy who refuses to put his hand over his heart during to national Anthem because he is afraidd that he might Offend somewone, A TRUE American will not be offended.. Hey Cats You STILL have not ansewred my Question "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 24, 2008 3:55 PM:

" "The first thing he’ll do as president, he says, is tell the generals to end the war."

I strongly suspect Senator Obama will seek council and listen to his advisors carefully, both civilian and military. That is more than Georgie did when he decided to invade Iraq against pretty much the advice of all the military and the CIA. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Jul 24, 2008 3:53 PM:

" "Mr. Obama must have slept through his history classes as well as his pastor’s sermons."

He clearly was not sleeping when he graduated at the top of h

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