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Woody wrote on Sep 11, 2008 9:48 PM:

" Geez! wrote: "Abortion is murder."
No matter how many times you say this, the Bible clearly contradicts you.

What part of "different religious beliefs" do you have a problem with? What gives you the right to insist that everyone must abide only by your beliefs?

Geez! wrote: "Jeremiah 1:5 tells us that God knows us before He knits us in the womb."

Exactly! Thank you for making my point. HE knows us BEFORE conception. That is talking about the SOUL not the body. That body is not 'us' until our soul is joined to it, and that doesn't happen until we take that first breath of air.

Ergo, a fetus/embryo is NOT a human life yet. Ergo, an abortion cannot be murder.

Geez! wrote: "Exodus 21:22-25 prescribes the same penalty for someone who causes the death of a baby in the womb as the penalty for someone who commits murder."

WRONG!!!! It says just the OPPOSITE! The penalty for the death of the fetus is only a FINE. Ergo, a fetus is NOT a human, and its death is NOT murder. "

Woody wrote on Sep 11, 2008 9:43 PM:

" Geez! wrote: "The burden of proof is on the pro-abortionists who keep insisting that "back alley" abortions ever existed en masse"
Sounds like you are pulling a bait and switch. You never even mentioned this before.

Geez! wrote: "that abortions were performed to save the life of the mother" Are you really this uninformed?

I personally know three different women who had to have abortions performed to save their lives. Look up ectopic pregnancy. One of my coworkers had one. All of those must be aborted or they will kill the mother.

Women can develop heart problems due to pregnancy, diabetes due to pregnancy. The other two women that I referred to earlier came down with cancer. The radiation and chemo was going to kill the fetus anyway, but not having treatment would have killed them. "

Geez! wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:02 AM:

" "Woody" - you keep referring to the Bible as your source of whether or not abortion is murder. Do you also refer to the Bible as your source as whether or not homosexuality is wrong? That divorce is wrong? That sex outside of marriage is wrong? Do you attend Church every week?

Or do you not practice what you believe?

Jeremiah 1:5 tells us that God knows us before He knits us in the womb. Psalm 139:13-16 speaks of God’s active role in our creation and formation in the womb. Exodus 21:22-25 prescribes the same penalty for someone who causes the death of a baby in the womb as the penalty for someone who commits murder.

Or do you just pick and choose which parts of the Bible you will follow because it suits your personal / political agenda? "

Geez! wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:52 AM:

" "Woody" - proving something that doesn't exist? I hardly think so. The burden of proof is on the pro-abortionists who keep insisting that "back alley" abortions ever existed en masse, as they claim, that abortions were performed to save the life of the mother, and other urban legends.

Abortion is murder. I would charge all doctors who perform abortions, the abortion mills like Planned Parenthood, and the mothers who kill their babies with capital murder and/or conspiracy to commit murder.

Human babies deserve at least the same protection as bald eagle eggs. "

Woody wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:45 PM:

" Geez! wrote:
" Astounding. You just don't get it.

Abortion is murder. Murder is wrong."

No, you don't get it. Abortion is NOT murder. Even the Bible says it is not murder.

Geez! wrote "Adoption is a viable alternative to those who "agonize" over getting abortions."

Only if they choose to continue their pregnancies. They have the right to make that choice.

Geez! wrote "There has never been a single case of anyone requiring an abortion to save the life of the mother. Ever. "
Absolute nonsense. I'd love to see you try to prove that. Of course, we both know that you cannot since it isn't true. "

Geez! wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:15 PM:

" Astounding. You just don't get it.

Abortion is murder. Murder is wrong.

Adoption is a viable alternative to those who "agonize" over getting abortions.

There has never been a single case of anyone requiring an abortion to save the life of the mother. Ever. "

Woody wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:32 PM:

" To Geez! part 2:

No, the father couldn't pull the plug on an artificial incubator because by that time the fetus has taken its first breath and is undeniably a human life.

But until that first breath is taken, the Bible says it is not a human life. If YOU want to ignore the Bible and believe that life begins at conception - the Constitution gives you that right. But it also gives me the right to follow my beliefs.

Now, as a pro-choice advocate, I don't have a problem with restricting late-term terminations to cases where the woman's life or health is in danger or there are complications with the fetus. Since a fetus at that stage is theoretically viable outside the womb, it is also theoretically capable of taking the breath of life and becoming a human life.

BUT during that first trimester, a fetus simply is NOT a human life because it cannot take the breath of life. It has no lungs, it has no working brain. So no woman should be forced to be an incubator against her will. "

Woody wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:10 PM:

" Geez! wrote: " "Woody" - They are alive and growing inside their "incubator".
Exactly my point. No woman should be forced to serve as that incubator against her will.

Geez! wrote: "Even after they are born, they may need an artificial incubator to stay alive."

Whoa!!! You are talking about late-term pregnancies, and I'm talking about the first trimester where the overwhelming majority of all abortions take place.

Technically, terminating a late-term pregnancy isn't even considered an abortion because the fetus is (in theory) viable outside the womb. Those are NOT covered by Roe vs. Wade and in most states it is already illegal to terminate at that stage unless the woman's life or health is in danger.

Medically, the term "abortion" only applies to an embryo or a non-viable fetus. At that stage ONLY the woman can incubate, and she is the ONLY one who has the right to decide whether to user HER BODY as that incubator. "

Geez! wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:50 AM:

" "Woody" - They are alive and growing inside their "incubator". Even after they are born, they may need an artificial incubator to stay alive.

Since the baby is no longer inside the mother, would the father then be able to pull the plug on the incubator and then be allowed to torture and murder that baby? Still in an incubator. Still a helpless human being. Still unable to take care of itself.

There are people of various ages who are also unable to take care of themselves and are helpless human beings. Should they also be tortured and murdered because they inconvenience someone?

Where do you draw the line? If they are helpless, inconvenience their mother, don't live the quality of life you feel they should, regardless of stage of development or age - are we then able to legally torture and murder them?

Seems odd that it's the "mother's choice" alone when the innocent baby has no voice at all, yet most directly affected by her "choice". It's a matter of life or death, and the one being killed has no rights or appeal. "

Woody wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:59 AM:

" b2e2run wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:08 PM:
" Yakky one - If it takes two to make a baby, which it does. Then, why, oh why, does the precious Democratic party allow the decision to terminate a child rest ONLY with the mother?"
Because it is HER body that will be used as an incubator. It his her life and health that will be affected.

No man, not even the father, has the right to force her to do that against her will. It is really that simple. "

b2e2run wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:08 PM:

" Yakky one - If it takes two to make a baby, which it does. Then, why, oh why, does the precious Democratic party allow the decision to terminate a child rest ONLY with the mother? You say my opinion is archaic, but is the guy the only one who knows how to put on a condom? If the guy's opinion about the life of the child was given the same level of value as the "mother", then I would agree with you, BUT...the guy is given nowhere near the same level of value. He's only good for child support, not whether or not the child should be born. Unfortunately, that is the reality. "

Woody wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:50 PM:

" Anchor - nobody is pro-abortion no matter how you try to spin it. Someone who is pro-abortion would tell people that having an abortion is a good thing. Nobody does that.

Pro-choice people, like myself, understand that different people have different beliefs regarding the beginning of life and abortion. Some believe that human life begins at conception, others follow the Bible which says that human begins with the first breath of air.

Did you know that the Jewish faith actually REQUIRES an abortion under certain circumstances? That some translations of the Bible actually sanction a procedure that is essentially an abortion?

Now, obviously, we are not all Jewish. And not everyone thinks the translations that describe the abortion procedure were translated properly. But some do.

Pro-choice people believe that all of us have the right to follow our beliefs. If you believe abortion is wrong - then fine, don't have one. But the rest of us have an equal right to follow our beliefs. "

Realist wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:04 PM:

" ktlin, you must be off your rocker. McCain AND Palin are WAY more qualified to run this country the your man Oslabba. Look at how his twin is running the state of Illinois! Wake up and make the right choice. And cobblestone, surely you must know the difference between an unborn child and war. If not, I'm not sure you're qualified to make the choice of who should run our country, give me a break! "

KingSalmon wrote on Sep 1, 2008 12:26 PM:

" I'm with you, USEyourHEADS... this abortion talk is more of the same-old/same-old. Trouble w/ Peanut Gallery and folks like him is they hash it over and hash it over again, using the same tired points- the same emotions, the same relgion- and they make NO progress... they change NO minds... yet they keep it up, non-stop. They don't realize that in a secular nation citizens have the right to CHOOSE their life issues- not have them dictated to them and forced by the religious majority. Most of them (especially Peanut Gallery- if you've ever stomached-your-way thru many of his posts at many multi-themed articles) are here for the pure ARGUMENT of it. He doesn't necessrily have core beliefs that he seeks to share- he just digs the mud-slinging. Pay him no never-mind... He's LOUD as heck, and he shows up everywhere, but once you learn to tune him out- he's easy to ignore... "

yakky_one wrote on Sep 1, 2008 12:18 PM:

" b2e2run: Woah, hold on ....what about the Father's of these babies? Where are they when they have their fun and find out they got someone pregnant? Don't EVEN start on that old thing about a woman should keep her legs closed. It takes 2!
And,no I do not believe in abortion, but your logic is a bit back in the middle ages in my opiinion. "

alexp wrote on Sep 1, 2008 12:01 PM:

" Any of you "anti-abortionists" going to ever condemn executing humans who have beating hearts? I doubt it. "

Wat Tyler wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:57 AM:

" LOL,

I would like to respond. But I need a little more detail. "In fact, he even told reporters that we did not vote against a particular bill when he actually did. " covers a lot of ground. Help me out here with a citation. Or tell me what bill he voted against and who he told he voted for it.

Thanks, Wat Tyler, esq. "

Cobblestone wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:28 AM:

" John McCain, how can you be pro-life AND pro-war, when war means killing people? How can you be pro-life and pro-gun, when the only purpose of a gun is to kill? How can you be pro-life and pro-death penalty when the opposite of life is death? The answer is, you can't. "

b2e2run wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:26 AM:

" Annienap - isn't it also the woman's choice to keep her legs closed? And, before you jump on the situations where a woman is impregnated from a rape (a very small statistic, by the way), let's call it what it is. Irresponsible behavior leads to inconvenience. Unfortunately, that "inconvenience" has a heartbeat. The sad part is there are thousands of couples unsuccessfully trying to have their own children while immoral baby machines are out galavanting around with their doors open to all. If this country, and it's legislators, hadn't made adoption such a long and tenuous process, there would be plenty of opportunity for the less fortunate to be given a chance. But, Annienap, keep on with your convenient choice of abortion, instead of the MUCH easier choice of acting like a proper woman. "

ES wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:11 AM:

" LOL's words are perfect. Annienap, you are as much of a Democrat as Wat is an independent. And hey Annienap, while you are judging, what do you think of Palin's family situation, assuming you are informed? I once voted for Republicans and then I earned some advanced degrees and became more educated. Since George Bush Jr. has taken over, I now know I will never vote for a republican again, considering how ignorant and mean spirited that man is and how blindly his followers are persuaded. Think for yourselves folks and you will realize the true choice in this election is Obama. "

Anchor wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Woody - I disagree with you that no one is Pro-abortion. I am against abortion. I do not agree with it in 99% of the cases. Some people are "pro-choice" they think abortion is okay for a much larger % of the cases. In my eyes that makes them Pro-Abortion.

Secondly, Mr. Petry, when did Obama ever indicate he was not pro-abortion? "

The Peanut Gallery wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:11 AM:

" to USEyourHEADS wrote on Sep 1, 2008 3:14 AM:

" I am absolutely SICK AND TIRED of this abortion issue! "

Then don't discuss it. Allow the adults to do so as they see fit. Ignore it. Don't leave mad; just leave. Now run along. "

LOL Liberal (:-D) wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:57 AM:

" Professor Wat, I am truly perplexed today. As you know, I read all your published works and study them in great detail in my quest for profound wisdom. As a result, I have come to know that you strongly support John McSame for president.

So, to the matter that is absolutely confounding me – your statement earlier; “I have a problem with politicians who will not own up to their beliefs and voting record in order to curry favor with groups that have a different view.”

Professor Wat, because McSame has earned your support, I have made it a point to study him as well. I can tell you that he indeed does not always own up to his beliefs and voting record. In fact, he even told reporters that we did not vote against a particular bill when he actually did. Seems he also thinks folks will just take his word for things and not look them up. But you Professor Wat, have never contradicted yourself before. This is very perplexing and truly unsettling. "

chubbyalaskagriz wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:48 AM:

" Amen, USEyourHEADS... Amen! You keep preachin' brother- you keep preachin'! First thing I've read all mornin' here that makes a lick o' sense! When will the evangelical whack-jobs learn and realize that God gave us all individual brains so we wouldn't have to share same ways o' thinkin'? Some folks'll just never get it. Never. How burdensome it must be to feel the need to make up other folks' minds for them. "

LOL Liberal -D wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:21 AM:

" Annienap, you must be one of those rare Democrats that has never voted for a Democrat. I say that because there has not been an anti-choice Democrat candidate since I first voted in 1972.

Come on Annienap, you can fool the 25%ers anytime - hell, even Stupid did it twice - but you cannot fool us real Democrats. You are one of those radical religious right nut case conservatives that wants to be in everybody elses bedrooms, doctors offices and schools and telling everybody just how to think - or not think.

It's your type that is taking your "real" party down. It once actually had a valid message of fiscal responsibility, but that seems to belong to the Democrats now. Even Barry Goldwater predicted this would happen - that the bible thumping nut jobs would take the party over and take it down. Thanks Annienap. "

The Peanut Gallery wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:32 AM:

" to melliebunny who wrote on Aug 31, 2008 8:50 AM:

" There is a HUGE distinction between being pro-abortion (abortions for all! babies for none!) and being pro-choice. "

Sorry, but there is NO DISTINCTION whatsoever. The 'choice' is to kill the child. When pro-abortionists use the euphemisms 'choice' or 'choose' they betray their guilt: they know that if they speak plainly about the process, it will show their shame at killing infants. Thus, they use euphemism to hide their guilt. One of the most common liberal deceits is to twist language for political gain. This is just another example. "

USEyourHEADS wrote on Sep 1, 2008 3:14 AM:

" I am absolutely SICK AND TIRED of this abortion issue! The only abortion that has ANYTHING to do with ME is the one my own wife has! If YOU weigh the options, consider the risks, and make the choice- it's NONE of my business! I could care less! And I RESENT people who keep telling, and keep telling and KEEP TELLING me, it is! YOUR abortion is no more MY business, than MY prostate exam is YOURS! So STOP tellin' me it is, dammmit! "

Woody wrote on Aug 31, 2008 11:05 PM:

" Nobody is "pro-abortion". Like many anti-abortionists, Mr. Petry likes to ignore the correct term "pro-CHOICE". Those who believe in the pro-choice movement, as I do, believe that a woman has the right to choose what she wants to do based on her own beliefs. "

ktlin wrote on Aug 31, 2008 9:01 PM:

" to colebaker: I think a better question is who is going to be running our country? If McCain is elected and something happens to him a person will be running the country with less experience in running things than the majority of Americans over 40. McCain doesn't even know her. Imagine how well you know someone you have met twice? She has no experience, he doesn't know her and she is under federal investigation for abuse of power. It doesn't really get much better than that. It is sorta like Trigger winning the Kentucky Derby. Only Trigger had more experience and exposure. I thought McCain put his country first. Instead he is making us a laughing stock. Maybe first on the comedy channel. "

ktlin wrote on Aug 31, 2008 8:52 PM:

" I think right now we have bigger issues than abortion which is a moral issue and the people having them will answer not Obama. Even McCain is not going to change Roe Vs Wade. If he does and a person gets an unsafe abortion and dies would McCain then be accountable for murder of the person that died? Right now instead of stating we need a false gas tax holiday McCain should be saying no new tax cuts for the oil companies,more drilling and alternatives and mean it. Instead he panders. McCain has been in the senate for 26 years. How many bills has he introduced which will get us off foreign oil or increase drilling at home? Of course when he wasn't running for president. And then how many has he introduced that will keep us dependent on foreign oil? How many times has he simply looked the other way? God gave us brains for some reason. Maybe we should start using them and not just swallow what the the GOp and the Dems feed us. I think that is what has been happening for a while now. "

educatedlady wrote on Aug 31, 2008 7:57 PM:

" Annienap-did you not vote? If you did not vote for Bush or Bush Senior or Reagan, the other alternative would have been pro choicers....or those who believe that women have the right to choose. "

Annienap wrote on Aug 31, 2008 6:56 PM:

" ES - You are SO funny. I'm not a Republican; I AM A DEMOCRAT and I did not vote for Bush either time nor did I vote for his father nor did I vote for Reagan or any other Republican. I'm 59 years old and have never voted Republican for anything. You need to watch who you call names because you are just NOT well-informed at all. Having said that, you should know straight up front that I will NOT vote for anyone who believes in killing babies and that includes your precious Obama. "

colebaker wrote on Aug 31, 2008 6:44 PM:

" This election tells it all. Just look at the candidates for presidency. Our country
has NOT changed for the better but the worse.

This is not good at all. Who is running our country?
People who don't know what they are doing and don't have morals
or integrity?

God Help America "

ES wrote on Aug 31, 2008 6:23 PM:

" Annienap, McCain and Company are using the Hurricane as a political ploy to "appear" compassionate. You are easily duped. Remember the comments after Bush ignored Katrina? You really cannot believe McCain cares. I cannot believe you Neo/Retrocons are that easily fooled. Oh wait a minute, you guys are the ones who voted for Bush twice. "

excuseme wrote on Aug 31, 2008 4:51 PM:

" I just can't bring myself to vote for mccain when he admitted that he committed adultry, was having a sexual affair with Cindy, dumped his first wife, and then married Cindy 5 weeks later. "

educatedlady wrote on Aug 31, 2008 4:29 PM:

" Actually Wat Tyler I did say it was also known as intact D & E which is abbreviated for intact dilation and extraction. Read on WAT; A 2007 article in The Boston Globe reported that, in response to this statute, many abortion providers had adopted the practice of injecting the fetus with lethal drugs before all late-term abortions. Even though these providers do not perform intact dilation and extraction procedures, they feel the broad wording of the ban compels them "to do all they can to protect themselves and their staff from the possibility of being accused" Abortion is legal. It is a womans right to choose. If the choice is taken away we will see women, again, visiting back alley butchers or trying to perform the abortion on themselves. "

usaeagle wrote on Aug 31, 2008 3:42 PM:

" I don't believe a politician would lie. No, not me. "

alexp wrote on Aug 31, 2008 3:38 PM:

" Hey Paul, Standing for "freedom of choice" is not pro-abortion. It is pro-woman and pro letting them have a choice what to do with their bodies. While you may want to impose your religious beliefs on others... thankfully in America we have freedoms and one of those is choice.

As for "pro-lifers" it is interesting to see how many of them are supporting execution. The USA is one of the worlds "civilized" societies that still conduct executions (more than most countries) much like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt, etc. We should not be proud being in that company. "

Annienap wrote on Aug 31, 2008 3:18 PM:

" 3:15 pm - Sunday, August 31, 2008 - Senator McCain has just put a halt to a lot of the opening events for the first night of his convention. I just checked Obama's schedule and he is still having a rally in Michigan tomorrow. Life, Mr. Obama? Where is you love for it? Why are YOU still carrying on with your political campaign when the people of the gulf states might be facing a lot of destruction and loss of life? If you are so FOR LIFE, why have you not cancelled your rally? "

Annienap wrote on Aug 31, 2008 2:42 PM:

" Abortion is murder - PERIOD. I am a registered Democrat and I can assure you I did not vote to put a killer on the ticket for leader of this country. My Bible tells me that it is WRONG to kill: word for word: "Thou shalt not kill". DUH! Ten Commandments - anyone ever heard of them? "

The Jackal wrote on Aug 31, 2008 12:12 PM:

" Abortion is a legal procedure in the United States of America. If his actions were against it, he'd be trying to break the law. In other words, if he's supporting a woman's right to have an abortion, he's not doing anything wrong. Why would you criticize a public official for following the laws that govern the people who elected him? "

Redbeard wrote on Aug 31, 2008 12:11 PM:

" I am pro life, and I'm tired of hearing from those who claim to be pro life but aren't really. They just want to punish people. They want to pass laws against abortion, but aren't willing to take positive steps to limit the need for abortions. And ironically, it so often comes from the pro-death, pro-punishment crowd: in favor of the death penalty, in favor of preemptive war, in favor of torture, in favor of bombing brown people.

If you want your government to be pro-life, then maybe you should be after your political leaders to stop the government from actually, you know, killing people. Particularly when it's not self-defense. Our government, in our name, is actually killing thousands upon thousands of people. Instead of basing your entire moral-political outrage on attempting to pass yet another secular law to punish people, let's get back to the basics of moral government. "

gad wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:25 AM:

" hey ES, many people CHOOSE to murder their fellow man, but we all know that their CHOICE is wrong. "

Wat Tyler wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:07 AM:

" Obama says that McCain voted with President Bush90% of the time, and this is a great example of how you can lie with statistics.

What Obama fails to tell you is that his quote only represents the 2007 votes, a fairly uncontroversial year, when the Democrats were playing "Slow down" and there were fewer than normal bills, and McCain was on the campaign trail for the last half of the year.

In 2006, John McCain voted with the President about 49% of the time.

Obama voted with his party 97% of the time, siding with Democrats Pelosi and Reid in an almost party line vote after vote after vote.

So the choice is clear, vote for the Mystery Man of Deception (Obama, for the slow ones in the crowd) or John McCain, the voice of reason. "

Wat Tyler wrote on Aug 31, 2008 9:54 AM:

" Actually, educated lady, the correct term is intact dilation and extraction. That is the medical description. And most of these occur in the second trimester. But the law defines a partial birth abortion as a more narrowly defined procedure:

"An abortion in which the person performing the abortion, deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother, for the purpose of performing an overt act that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus; and performs the overt act, other than completion of delivery, that kills the partially delivered living fetus. (18 U.S. Code 1531)"

Thiw is federal law, it has been tested in the supreme court and is an illegal procedure, punishable by law. "

thoughts a million wrote on Aug 31, 2008 9:50 AM:

" My wife and I am not Pro-abortion either. Meaning that if my wife got pregnant, she would carry the baby to term. HOWEVER, we are PRO-Choice. Meaning that OUR personal philosophy towards abortion should prevent anyone else from a making a PERSONAL decision for themselves. That's what anti-abortion folks fail to understand. Abortion is a private, personal matter between the woman, her physician, and the man. "

Wat Tyler wrote on Aug 31, 2008 9:45 AM:

" Obama made his speech in South Dakota to assure the Pro-life electorate that he has an acceptable agenda. But he deceptively minimized his voting record on abortion issues. The fact is that he has never voted against a single bill to limit abortion and has, asPaul Petry rightly pointed out, voted against a bill to protect live birth babies, babiues born during an abortion procedure, which by the way is ensconced in federal law.

I have no problem with politicians that support abortion, such as Obama. I have a problem with politicians who will not own up to their beliefs and voting record in order to curry favor with groups that have a different view. Obama's campaign of mystery and deception rests on platitudes and obfuscation. He cannot successfully run his campaign and tell the truth. "

The Real Illini Fan wrote on Aug 31, 2008 9:36 AM:

" Hey mot.... where did Obama say that McCain was wrong those 90% of the time he voted with Bush? He just said McCain sided with Bush on 90% of the vote. He did not say that Bush was wrong on all those votes. Hell even Bush gets it right once in a while... not many times though. As for not getting a straight answer out of Obama... at least he knows how many houses he has. That just blows me away. Then thought of McCain running this country is absurd. Now he picks his VP... a woman who just 2 years ago was a mayor of a town of 5,000 people. If McCain wins... the lady would be just a heart attack away from being president. That is scary as hell!! I love it how all republicans are praising her... but down deep they are thinking.. what the hell was he thinking!! Can't wait for the VP debates. "

educatedlady wrote on Aug 31, 2008 9:26 AM:

" Did you know that the term partial birth abortion is not the correct medical term. The correct medical term for this procedure is "dilation and extraction," or D&X, and "intact D&E". And contrary to the claims of some abortion opponents, most such abortions do not take place in the third trimester of pregnancy, or after fetal "viability." Indeed, when some members of Congress tried to amend the bill to ban only those procedures that take place after viability, abortion opponents complained that would leave most of the procedures legal. It also allows parents whose babies would not live outside the womb to grieve and hold a whole baby instead of pieces. As for informing a parent...If the parent creates a loving,SAFE, environment for the child, the child will inform the parent. Often it is not safe for a child to tell a parent. It can result in a dangerous situation for the child. There are reasons that children do not always talk to parents. "

buckeye wrote on Aug 31, 2008 9:10 AM:

" This guy is all smoke and mirrors you cant get a straight answer from B-rock on anything . "

melliebunny wrote on Aug 31, 2008 8:50 AM:

" There is a HUGE distinction between being pro-abortion (abortions for all! babies for none!) and being pro-choice. He's recognizing that, one, he's a male who never will have the ability to understand what it's like to carry a baby to term after he's been raped or been a victim of incest and two, America is founded on the belief that we're all able to make our own choices and deal with the consequences of our own decisions. I'm actually pretty surprised that a bunch of Republicans would want the state to step in more and decide what we can and can't do with our bodies.

The simple fact is that you shouldn't be able to pass laws deciding what someone else can and can't do with their body, especially if you're physically unable to do it yourself. That's just insanity. "

A. Nony Mous wrote on Aug 31, 2008 7:41 AM:

" Ummmm, supporting a woman's right to choose, and being pro-abortion are two completely different things. "

RANTIPOLE wrote on Aug 31, 2008 7:20 AM:

" why is it that in the abortion debate people always resort to lies in order to state their opinion. You can be pro life AND believe that the medical procedure called abortion is sometimes needed. When you use the tern pro abortion you make it seem like there are people that just love to go around performing abortions..this is not the truth.

To annienap: Where is it that abortion is the same as killing a healthy newborn child??? of course this is murder and it is not legal anywhere! Why make it seem like abortion is more than it is?? Why tell lies?? "

Bobo Bigelow wrote on Aug 31, 2008 6:58 AM:

" Mr. Petry,

How many unwanted/unplanned/untimely pregnancies have you carried to term? "

Archie Goodwin wrote on Aug 31, 2008 5:57 AM:

" Let's call it what it is, Annie...."to kill a healthy newborn child or any child..." is INFANTICIDE, and the Democrats have nominated a man who has no problem with that. "

mot wrote on Aug 31, 2008 5:37 AM:

" It is the american people who must hold Obama to account for his actions. The major news services will not and refuse to challenge him on substanitive issues. Unfortunatly people will not put out the effort to think through what he is saying. Lets take a statement he made at his convention speech when he said McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time implying that McCain was only right 10% of the time. Think about that. Do you agree with that statement? That means that Bush was wrong to work with aids in Africa, lower the tax rate from 15% to 10% for half of working america, allow Ted Kennedy to co write the education reform, praise the brave souls who lost their lives on 9-11. I know people hate Bush but has he been wrong 100% of the time, or is Obama not telling you the truth? "

ES wrote on Aug 31, 2008 2:38 AM:

" Hey folks, maybe he is PRO-CHOICE. I know that is an alien concept for some of you, but remember YOUR bible says "Judge not, less ye be fit to Judge..." which all of the Neo or Retro-Cons I have encountered are unable to do. "

Annienap wrote on Aug 31, 2008 12:52 AM:

" Mr. Petry-you hit the nail right on the head. Obama either cannot decide WHAT he is or just cannot tell the truth. His idea of truth is to twist it depending on which crowd he is speaking to. What amazes me the most is that people apparently are not listening to what he says from one speech to the next or he would not have the popularity of a rock star. In the real world that I was raised in, to kill a healthy newborn child or any child, was murder and every parent had a right to know the medical procedures performed on their children under the age of 18. "

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