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ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Invigorated by back-to-back political conventions, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama grappled for the mantle of change Friday as the fall race for the presidency took off in states teeming with the independent voters they needed to win. | Flick: That's a local elephant in St. Paul! | Fact check | Read McCain's speech | Photo gallery | Video

Within hours of accepting the Republican nomination, McCain sent an e-mail appeal for donations arguing that he and running mate Sarah Palin stood for reform in Washington. He also denounced "Democratic operatives" whom he said "have stooped lower than anyone could have imagined."

The dig appeared to be a reference to Palin's announcement earlier this week that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter was five months' pregnant. Alaska's governor said Internet rumors about her family had led her to reveal her daughter's pregnancy.

Palin, who has stayed out of reach of reporters, was expected to continue making joint appearances with McCain through Saturday before returning to Alaska for a short visit. She was expected to begin campaigning on her own Monday in Florida.

McCain's selection of Palin as his running mate is drawing a mostly favorable though partisan response from the public, an ABC News poll said Friday. People also have substantial doubts about her experience, and her selection is having little impact on who they're likely to support.

By 50 percent to 37 percent, they have a positive impression of her - less than their 54 percent to 30 percent favorable view of Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden. Eighty-five percent of Republicans, 24 percent of Democrats and 53 percent of independents have a positive opinion of Palin.

People say her choice makes them likelier to vote for the McCain ticket by a slender 25 percent to 19 percent - less than the 12-point margin by which Biden makes them likelier to support Obama. Just 42 percent say Palin has the experience necessary to serve as president.

Strategists for the campaigns argued Friday that McCain and Obama would be engaged in debate over new directions for public policy.

"John McCain has a record of fighting to change," McCain strategist Steve Schmidt told "Today" on NBC. For Obama, he said, change is "a nice word, it's a campaign tactic ... it's nonsense."

Obama strategist David Axelrod countered that McCain was offering the policies of the Bush administration. "Last night Sen. McCain used the word 'change,' but the policies that he describes were very familiar," Axelrod said on "The Early Show" on CBS. "This isn't change, this is more of the same."

Buoyed by a unifying GOP convention and Palin's appeal to conservatives he had had trouble winning over, McCain vowed Thursday night to vanquish the "constant partisan rancor" he said was plaguing the nation.

"I will reach out my hand to anyone to help me get this country moving again," he said.

McCain and Palin left Minnesota immediately after his speech, bound for Democratic-tilting Wisconsin. Obama planned campaign and fundraising events in Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

In a convention speech lasting nearly an hour, McCain promised before a nationwide television audience to govern as a political maverick with a bipartisan bent. And he reminded voters of the 5 1/2 years he spent in a North Vietnamese prison.

"I fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else's," he said. "I was never the same again. I wasn't my own man anymore. I was my country's."

His speech capped the party convention, but Palin was arguably the star, electrifying Republicans Wednesday in a slashing speech against Obama and his running mate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware. She is the first female running mate in GOP history.

The 72-year-old McCain, campaigning to become the oldest first-term president in history, presented himself as a reformer willing to take on his fellow Republicans, including an unpopular President Bush. He chastised Republicans for falling prey to the temptations of power before voters deprived them of their majorities in the House and Senate two years ago.

"We were elected to change Washington, and we let Washington change us," McCain said. "We lost the trust of the American people when some Republicans gave in to the temptations of corruption."

McCain's speech was largely devoid of the partisan edge that characterized Palin's, which was aimed at solidifying conservative and evangelical voters behind the GOP ticket. Democrats countered that Palin was long on personal attacks and short on remedies for the nation's troubles.

Palin, 44, has been under a media microscope since McCain tapped her last week, but she seems to have energized Republicans heading into the fall campaign. Virtually unknown nationally a week ago, Palin has faced heavy scrutiny relating to her tenure as mayor of tiny Wasilla, Alaska, and her 20 months as governor of the sparsely populated state.



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Republican presidential nominee John McCain, right, is joined by his running mate, Sarah Palin, at the end of his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., on Thursday. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)
Republican presidential candidate John McCain makes his acceptance speechat the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., Thursday, Sept. 4, 2008. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)
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let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:51 PM:

" "One of the many reasons the dums hate her with a passion she is for educating not dumbing down."

This is totally ridiculous. Palin is an intellectual nitwit. She wanted to ban books from her local library, some of the books which she had not even read! The woman is simply a joke and the real joke will be on election day when American rejects this fraud for what she is, someone totally unqualified to be POTUS. "

i said that wrote on Sep 20, 2008 6:55 PM:

" Wow! How bitter Follow the Constitution is. Dang. LINCOLN SAVINGS & LOAN-KEATING 5 - JOHN McCAIN. Funny thing is, Socialism has entered America, BIG-TIME! "

alexp wrote on Sep 20, 2008 3:59 PM:

" Republicans don't get it. The only solution instead of all these corporate buyouts is to reduce every single-home owner's mortgage payment by 25% and that immediately puts money in a lot of hands that can go spend it and save this economy. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:59 AM:

" Name me one current congress critter that has morals or ethics let alone the justifiable moral authority to criticize anything?

A vote for McCain is a vote for Sarah Palin

She was disappointed with the local schools and ran for office to do something about it.

One of the many reasons the dums hate her with a passion she is for educating not dumbing down.

She didn't run to make money or power. She did it for the right reason. That means a lot to me. Doing it for the right reason.

You forgot, She does not play party sides, she puts them all in jail dums or repubs.

When was the last time we had someone from middle class America?

Doesn't believe wasting money so she can increase taxes, and could not be bought off by her own party.

Basicly she has the average every day American MORALS and Ethics sorely lacking in congress and completely lacking in the dumocrap party. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:22 AM:

" Dodd Led Efforts To Block Reform Of Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac:

Obama Joined Sen. Dodd, Sen. Kerry, And Sen. Clinton - All Top Recipients Of Fannie And Freddie Contributions In Actively Opposing Reform Measures And Weakening Existing Regulations. "During this period, Sen. Richard Shelby led a small group of legislators favoring reform, including fellow Republican Sens. John Sununu, Chuck Hagel and Elizabeth Dole. Meanwhile, Dodd -- who along with Democratic Sens. John Kerry, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were the top four recipients of Fannie and Freddie campaign contributions from 1988 to 2008 -- actively opposed such measures and further weakened existing regulation." "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:20 AM:

" OBAMA DEMOCRATS BLOCKED REFORM OF FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC

Sen. John McCain Urged Action Years Ago To Reform Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac:

John McCain Urged Action More Than 2 Years Ago, Co-Sponsoring Legislation To Reform Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac Warning: "If Congress Does Not Act, American Taxpayers Will Continue To Be Exposed To The Enormous Risk That Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac Pose To The Housing Market, The Overall Financial System, And The Economy As A Whole." McCain: "I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole." (Office Of U.S. Senator John McCain, "McCain Statement On Co-Sponsorship Of The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act Of 2005," Press Release, 5/26/06) "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:18 AM:

" OBAMA ADVISOR FRANK RAINES: FORMER FANNIE MAE CEO INVOLVED IN ACCOUNTING SCANDAL

Obama Has Solicited Advice From Former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines Who Was "Under The Shadow Of A $6.3 Billion Accounting Scandal":

The Obama Campaign Has Solicited Franklin Raines, Who "Stepped Down As Fannie Mae's Chief Executive Under The Shadow Of A $6.3 Billion Accounting Scandal," For Advice On Mortgage And Housing Policy. "In the four years since he stepped down as Fannie Mae's chief executive under the shadow of a $6.3 billion accounting scandal, Franklin D. Raines has been quietly constructing a new life for himself. He has shaved eight points off his golf handicap, taken a corner office in Steve Case's D.C. conglomeration of finance, entertainment and health-care companies and more recently, taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters." "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:12 AM:

" OBAMA A TOP RECIPIENT IN CONTRIBITIONS FROM FANNIE MAE, FREDDIE MAC AND LEHMAN BROTHERS

Obama Ranks Second Among Donations From Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac Among All Members Of Congress Since 1989:

In Just Four Years, Obama Has Received More Money From Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac Than Any Other Member Of Congress In The Past Two Decades (Since 1989) Except Senate Banking Committee Chairman Sen. Chris Dodd.

Obama Has Served In Federal Office Since 2005.

Obama Ranks Second Among Donations From Lehman Brothers Among All Members Of Congress Since 1989:

In Just Four Years, Obama Has Received More Money From Lehman Brothers Than Any Other Member Of Congress In The Past Two Decades (Since 1989) Except Sen. Hillary Clinton.

OBAMA ADVISOR JIM JOHNSON FORMER FANNIE MAE AND LEHMAN BROTHERS EXECUTIVES EXPANDED LOBBYING ACTIVITIES AND RECEIVED MILLIONS IN COMPENSATION "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:45 AM:

" The moniker, follow the constitution, it pretty bad for one who espouses a right wing viewpoint. No U.S. president in the past 100 years has broken so many laws and NOT followed the constitution yet not been called on it by Congress.

Your point about Obama and the 95 percent tax cut is rather lame. Any idiot knows that Obama means taxes will be lowered or not raised for 95 percent of the citizenry. Any lame brain knows some citizens do not pay taxes, including some very wealthy individuals and corporations! "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:42 AM:

" A lot of folks must live in an imaginary world or a parallel twilight zone. Georgie Bush is the pure definition of a liberal spender and socialist. Under his direction the U.S. government has raised the national deficit to new heights, government has been expanded not made smaller, and he is now supervising another trillion and change for the government to buy wall street bad debt instead of allowing the market to self-correct on its own. When government intercedes into the market in this manner, do you know what it is? Probably not. Well, it is SOCIALISM and LIBERAL SPENDING. The idea that republicans are fiscally conservative is a MYTH as old an any wife's tale. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:20 AM:

" This is going to be interesting to see if this happens. New rumor floating around:

"Let me share some info with you that I have gotten from excellent sources
within the DNC:

On or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to occur after the VP
debate on 10/2."

Excerpt from Rudy's speech at the RNC:

"Obama — Obama promised to take public financing for his campaign, until he broke his promise.
Obama — Obama was against wiretapping before he voted for it.

When speaking to a pro-Israeli group, Obama favored an undivided Jerusalem , like I favor and like John McCain favored. Well, he favored an undivided Jerusalem — don’t get too excited — for one day, until he changed his mind.

Well, I’ll tell you, if I were Joe Biden, I’d want to get that V.P. thing in writing."

FLIP FLOP! FLIP FLOP! FLIP FLOP! "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:14 AM:

" If they offered a 3rd choice of "none of the above" that is the choice I would make. What we are stuck with is voting for the lessor of two evils and of the two evils McCain is by far the lessor of the two evils.

If think Bush was bad you don't know what Bad really is until you see how bad Obama makes a mess of everything.

So far this guy has lied about everything and people keep sucking up only because they hear things they want hear! Use simple common sense. What he is telling you he will do is IMPOSSIBLE to pull off without a huge tax increase on the American people.

BTW....he SAYS he will lower taxes for 95% of Americans. Really??? That would be a neat trick since 30% of Americans now don't pay a federal income tax! LOL Only 70% of Americans are paying a federal income tax! And he will lower tax for 95% of Americans! So what is he going to do? Give 25% of the Americans that already don't pay federal taxes a refund of money they don'tr pay??? LOL "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 20, 2008 1:45 AM:

" " "Senator Obama is the ONLY person suggestion a tax DECREASE for 95 percent of Americans"

If anyone honestly believes that I have a really nice bridge to sell to you. LOL "

Hmmm. Yet you believe don't believe McNut when he says he is going to raise social security taxes and institute taxes on health benefits! Get real. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:40 PM:

" "Senator Obama is the ONLY person suggestion a tax DECREASE for 95 percent of Americans"

If anyone honestly believes that I have a really nice bridge to sell to you. LOL "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:20 PM:

" Let's see, Georgie leads the way in government paying trillions to buy wall street debt which basically helps fix republican mistakes because of regulations in the mortgage that SHOULD have been in place. But, republicans will do anything for a quick buck even it almost destroys the economy. Georgie already has 11 trillion in debt, now this. Tell me that Georgie is not a socialist. He borrows, builds debt to impossible heights, used government to bail out corporations. McCain argues to tax health benefits and to also tax social security. Senator Obama is the ONLY person suggestion a tax DECREASE for 95 percent of Americans. I love republican disasternomics, one mistake after another. I know it is the fault of the democrats. GMAFB. "

The Cat wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:52 PM:

" SantoFan: Nice list of voter fraud, criminal, racist, and marxist “community organizer” activities. Voter registration by Obummer’s ACORN group throughout the country has resulted in felon investigations in seven states and allegations of fraud in another seven. So far nothing has come up for Chicago but the dead always vote three or four times for Donkeys so additional fraud would just blend into the landscape. His “housing” work included taking care of business for slumlord Rezko for which he was well rewarded. Low-income “home buyer” defaults because bowerers couldn’t afford homes is the problems behind the current crisis and it was caused by government pushing lenders to give such mortgages (without credit worthiness) rather than lender fraud. That crisis began with the CRA in 1979 compounded by Bubba’s 1992 edict to lend more to those who were “disadvantaged”. How is being forced to support Donkey and Obummer marxist demands for more regulation, benefits, taxes, and controls over a business considered to be “patriotic”? Sounds a lot like Wilson’s “progressive” movement of the 1910s except the racism is reversed. He inspires any thinking person to vomit. "

The Cat wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:16 PM:

" (un)reasonable: Fantasy time again from you with the Bush and Ronnie non-facts. Try the New (bad) Deal and the (not so) Great Society under your Donkey “leaders” FDR and LBJ as to the “biggest expansion of government. The programs that keep on spending are all theirs including both Fannie and Freddie thath have been compounded by the Community Redevelopment Act and Equal Credit Opportunity Act from the Carter administration as mismanaged by the Bubba administration that are responsible for our current financial mess plus SS and Medicare/Medicaid that are going broke. "

Santo Fan wrote on Sep 19, 2008 7:05 PM:

" Has McDumb figured out that Spain is not a part of Latin America? He was a bit confused yesterday in responding to a question about the possibility of meeting with Spain's leader. Making it scary, was the fact that McDumb and his campaign made it clear that they think Spain is an adversary. Add this to the fact that Palin, in all of her brilliance, thinks we should go to war with Russia. My goodness, is this the best ticket that the republicants could put together? McDumb has lost it and Palin never had it. "

Santo Fan wrote on Sep 19, 2008 7:00 PM:

" Hey Constitution: I think you forgot a huge expense that was 100% not necessary and is Bushee boys fault.....and his alone. Yes, you got it.....the Iraq War. You recall don't you? Remember....Cheney and Bush manipulating pre-war intelligence to sell us a war that we would have otherwise not bought. Yeah....add that to your list, but please mark it down in the republicant category. Oh, and add another one. Clinton left Bushee with a huge surplus and look what the republicants did with it. They not only blew through the money like drunken sailors, they also borrowed more from China than any other administration in the history of this great country. Thereby putting more and more debt on the shoulders of our grandchildren. Oh, and how about the wonderful Bushee economic policies which have worked wonders for this country over the past 8 years? Wow....and McDumb wants another 4 years of Bushee brand economics. The fact that you republicants approve of these failed policies and want 4 more years, is a clear indication that you republicants are feverishly trying to destroy this country. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:09 AM:

" Check your facts.

The illegal ratification of the 16th amendment. Democrat President! The unconstitutional income tax. Democrat President. Social Security. Democrat President. Medicaid. Democrat President. Fannie Mae. Democrat President. The list goes on and on and Obama wants to add a lot more to that list. These are the biggest expenses of our government.

Obama just said he will put BILLIONS into the fanacial market. He will do that, create a national health care, and only raise taxes on the rich. Yeah right! LOL

The rich don't pay taxes now, so no matter what percentage of tax you raise on them whatever percentage of nothing is still nothing! You need to close the loopholes in the tax code if you ever intend to make the rich pay their fair share. In the end it is the people that will pay just like we have always paid! If you think all these other democrat federal programs are out of control and costing us, you ain't seen nothing yet if they ever get the national healthcare in place. That alone will end up costing us more than most the other federal programs combined!!! "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:00 AM:

" "witness the current disaster of an economy."

That is the result of the last two years of the majority democrats being in charge. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 19, 2008 12:03 AM:

" "If you think Bush was bad go ahead elect Obama. Then you will see what bad really is. MORE government is not the answer..."

Check your facts. It is common knowledge that government expanded MORE under Georgie and Ronnie than any democratic administration during the past 50 years. AND, than includes both G&R working with a republican majority much of the time. It really is a bunch of total BS that republicans 1. cut government, and 2. are fiscally conservative. They talk a good line but pretty much do the opposite and it NEVER works, witness the current disaster of an economy. "

Santo Fan wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:16 PM:

" Today, in an interview regarding a potential meeting with the President of Spain, McDumb made reference to Spain as being part of Latin America? Huh....the last I checked, Spain was part of Europe. Then, in a campaign statement trying to clarify McDumb's remarks, the campaign said McDumb knew exactly what he was talking about and that he will not commit to meeting with our adversaries. Spain? Our adversary? Since when? This is the same guy who confused Sudan and Sumalia, thinks Czchekoslovakia is still a country, sings bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran to the tune of a beach boys song and thinks Putin is the president of Germany? Palin wants a war with Russia. These two were made for each other....both completely clueless. This is not safe people, McDumb has lost it and Palin never had it. "

Santo Fan wrote on Sep 18, 2008 6:52 PM:

" Why I am voting republicant: 1 - Because I want 8 more years of failed bush/cheney economic policies. 2 - Because I want to continue borrowing from China so that we can spend in Iraq. 3 - Because the economy and foreign policy issues are so important, I want those decision in the hand of the hockey mom mayor who isn't allowed to take questions from reporters. 4 - Because I want a president who takes order directly from Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. 5 - Because I want a tax increase....that's right, I am in the middle class and I want a tax increase, so I am voting republicant. 6 - Because I want to triple the national debt in the next 4 years. 7 - Because I want a President who pretends to care about human rights issues in China while at the same time, is the Bank of China's very own little lap dog. 8 - Because I want another energy policy to be written behind closed doors by Oil companies. It has worked out well over the past 8 years..uh huh. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 18, 2008 6:52 PM:

" let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 18, 2008 5:33 PM:
" Bummer: I assume you like the current republican economic disaster. If you would like it to be better don't you think Obama change might help."

If you think Bush was bad go ahead elect Obama. Then you will see what bad really is. MORE government is not the answer and it certainly isn't change in the right direction. We need LESS government which is the exact opposite of what Obama wants. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 18, 2008 5:33 PM:

" Bummer: I assume you like the current republican economic disaster. If you would like it to be better don't you think Obama change might help. McNut certainly is not going to help the situation. By his own admission, he is ignorant about economics. Do you want him in the White House. Note that of approximately 600 professional economists in the U.S., 75% of them do NOT what a republican in the White House this coming term. The reason is obvious. The republicans are a disaster when it comes to a strong economy. All they know how to do is lower taxes for the wealthy and pile up debt by borrowing and not paying the bills they owe. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 18, 2008 5:23 PM:

" I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as the government sees fit.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four pointy headed, elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution every 30 days to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don't have to hide from us over there, they'll come over here, and I don't want to have any guns in the house that I might have to use to shoot them.

I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I've decided to marry my horse.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.

Makes ya wonder why anyone would EVER vote Republican, now doesn't it? "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 18, 2008 5:23 PM:

" WHY I'VE DECIDED TO VOTE DEMOCRAT


I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

I'm voting Democrat because, when we pull out of Iraq, I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years, if I don't start driving a Prius.

I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies, so long as we keep all death row inmates alive. "

bummer wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Obama will offer change alright. Go to SNOPES. See what he says in the book Audacity of Hope and Dreams of My Father. Do you really want him as president? Or his wife as first lady? "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:30 PM:

" I love republican economics: 11 trillion dollar deficit, Wall street in total disarray, large banking corporations going under, millions of home foreclosures, the dollar 1/2 its value compared to when Georgie entered the square office. Hmmm. I wonder what would have happened if social security had been privatized as Bush wanted? Would you trust your S.S. to Wall Street? I know. It is the fault of the democrats. And President Clinton balancing the federal budget and leaving Georgie a surplus was because the fat elephants do such a great fiscal job w/the economy. GMAFB. "

Santo Fan wrote on Sep 17, 2008 4:40 PM:

" Hi Cat: As a community organizer, Obama helped 150,000 African Americans register to vote. He established education programs for the community he served, aimed at helping them get back to work. As a civil rights lawyer, Obama litigated employment discrimination, housing discrimination, and voting rights cases. In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began. Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military. Oh, and he is actually inspiring...yes, that quality which has been absent from the Whitehorse for over 20 years.....yes, I am referencing Regan as having been inspiring. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:06 AM:

" For all the lovers of tax cuts, consider the following. McCain wants to tax the health care benefits we receive from employers. He wants to raise social security taxes. He wants to cuts taxes but the cut would be an uneven Bush type cut, the bulk of the dollar value going to the most wealthy income earners. Such a guy! "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:29 AM:

" A new poll of economists finds Sen. Barack Obama is overwhelmingly preferred over Sen. John McCain by a 66% to 28% margin.

The survey consisted of 523 economists who are both U.S. citizens and members of the American Economic Association. "

The Cat wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:57 PM:

" SantoFan and gnjaxon: What has Obummer done as a “community organizer”? This turkey has virtually NO RECORD of accomplishments in any of the odd jobs he’s been involved with. As far as the Harvard Law Review, what outstanding article (if any) bears his name? BTW, two editors before him was Susan Estrich and his “honors” were cumlaude. Whatever “offers” came his way (if any) his objective is to be a marxist agitator which is backed up by his background and associations. Besides, he’s learned (and practiced) you can make big bucks out of being a political insider without actually having to work for a living. Noticed neither of you Obummerites can give his real accomplishments but just vomit up his campaign talking points. "

gnjaxon wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:29 PM:

" Santo Fan you'll have to forgive Cat. You see there are a number of Republicans think that the only road to happiness is green and has the words In God We Trust printed on it. They think the only motivation any of us have is money. They think that those of us who volunteer in the community are just hippies and communists. Guliani and Palin pretty much insulted anyonone who has ever given money to a charity, helped a neighbor, coached a team or simply did something to help their community. The thing is BN raised quite a bit of money, through volunteer efforts, to help victims of 9/11. All it takes is someone with the initiative and leadership skills to start to help. Of course that is true leadership. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:51 PM:

" It seems part of today's culture that we should elect our beer loving next door neighbor who is just like us, or something like that. Gee, he is just like me, let's make him president. Welcome Georgie to the square office as unprepared as you were. The notion of electing a really very bright person who might actually make some intelligent decisions as president seems to be a lost art. For pure grey matter, Obama is twice as intelligent as McNut or Palin. "

Santo Fan wrote on Sep 15, 2008 5:29 PM:

" He graduated Magna Cu m laude from Harvard Law and with honors from Columbia. I have not seen his individual grades, but graduating with honors and magna cu m laude requires a high GPA. Again, I ask for more time. I just cannot decide who is better qualified to lead this nation....the guy who barely graduated from the Naval Academy and his real smart running mate who graduated from the world renowned Idaho University or the guy who graduated near the top of his class from two of the premier eduicational institutions in the world. Hmmm, just not sure. If Obama had been mayor of Lexington, was a Hockey Dad and told the same lame joke day after day after day after day after day after day.......maybe I would vote for him. Gosh, just not sure. "

gad wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:24 AM:

" where can one find obaba's harvard grades? i thought they hadn't been released but santa fan seems to know a great deal about them. "

Santo Fan wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:05 AM:

" Cat: If you had a clue as to how the world around you operates, you would not have to ask your childish questions. Obama turned down offers of Wall Street riches to take a chance on a community. He very easily could have had a long and successful career practicing law. Or a long career as Law Professor at Harvard Law School, among others. I know, there has to be some sick ulterior motive here right? Why would someone turn all of that down....(I like to think he did it to confuse simple minded people like you). As for legal opinions, etc...he was President of the Harvard Law Review....the magnitude of which I highly doubt you understand. I feel like I am having to explain why 2 + 2 = 4. Are you really this simple minded? "

The Cat wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:32 PM:

" ktlin: Somehow issues like the nuances of gender equity, “living wage”, and “fair housing” aren’t exactly the peak of constitutional law teaching subjects. They are subjects near and dear to the heart of a “community activist” and marxist though. Santo Fan: Attending a school and learning something practical are two different things. If Obummer is such a fantastic legal mind how come he has no real legal record to his credit? He’s been out of law school for a couple of decades but only has held odd jobs as “community organizer”, “lecturer”, state senator, and part-time US senator. Never any real legal opinions or scholarly publications produced just two “auto biographies” about nothing. "

Santo Fan wrote on Sep 14, 2008 6:11 PM:

" I love it when the republikkkans try to poke fun at Obama's ability to attend Harvard and Columbia. Like people out there would rather attend the university of Idaho. Or, like an employer would have a tough decision when looking at one resume with a candidate having graduated near the bottom of her class from Idaho and the other candidate having graduated with honors from Columbia (undergrad) and honors from Harvard (Law). LOL....republikkkan logic is comical. Palin attended 4 universities in 5 years....poor girl couldn't figure it out. McDumb barely graduated from the naval academy. Meanwhile, Obama was top of his class at two of the premier educational institutions in the world. Yeah, hmmm....can I have more time, can't quite decide who is better qualified. "

ktlin wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:45 AM:

" Did you see the fist bumps in those pictures?. Is that a code to the lobbyists or someone shady? We had better get right on that and check it out. I think I will assign Hannity and Rush to check that out. "

ktlin wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:34 AM:

" to Santo: Yip they do. "

ktlin wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:32 AM:

" to the cat: Oh well that sr lecturer was lecturing the constitution. I wonder how many questions McCain can answer regarding the constitution. It will be interesting to see who the debates lean toward. How many times will Sarah's name be brought up like didn't we make a good decision. Applause. Will we talk about personalities, town hall meetings that Obama didn't have WITH McCain. Or will we actually talk about immigration and how we stood on that, economy and what we have said on that, Iraq and what we have said on that, tax cuts and how we have voted on that. Maybe McCain should say something like well since you didn't have town hall meetings I won't have a debate. Unless of course he could let Sarah stand in for him. One little fainting spell or confused moment and he will be toast. Maybe his attempts at humor like falling asleep and snorting. Now that was a real winner. But of course he has Sarah. Noone cares anymore about McCain. "

ktlin wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:27 AM:

" To two cents: Dont think for a moment that McCain wouldn't vet her? Was that supposed to be funny. That would be the reasonable, intelligent thing to do. McCain does not do that that I can tell. Watch him in interviews. If someone asks him a question he doesn't want to answer he gets testy or really confused. I am serious. He actually is a spoiled rich kid that is now 72. To prove my case watch him. We do not need a spoiled 72 year old man that is prone to throw tantrums as president. But doesn't he have a smile on his face and a bounce in his step with Sarah around. Wonder what Cindy really thinks of that. After all she knows their real history. And she is younger. "

The Cat wrote on Sep 13, 2008 11:48 PM:

" Santo Fan: Obummer was a “Senior Lecturer” which is more like a part time professor (one step up for adjunct) teaching rights, race, and gender. Six bills of his (all related to his “community organizer” interests) in a seven plus year state senate career and two bills passed out of 136 in a his Federal Senate career (neither of any consequences) are hardly great achievements in his legislative career. He does take credit for three bills passed that were generated by other senators (he did argue for them and cosponsored them but they were not his work). He is behind the Global Poverty Act monstrosity currently up for a vote in the senate but that looks more like The Great Society for the Planet and transfer of control of the US Constitution to the UN. He did manage to do nothing as the Chair of the Afghan Subcommittee to the Foreign Relations Committee never holding a meeting and finally visiting Afghanistan on his World tour. Somehow the “experience factor” here seems to be missing. "

Santo Fan wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:37 PM:

" Hey 92141: It happens to everyone.....some of my posts do not make it in. Get over it and stop your crying. "

Santo Fan wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:37 PM:

" Palin thinks she has more experience than Obama. Hmmm...lets see. Obama has a B.A in political science from Columbia University, with a specialization in international relations, a Law degree from Hardvard where he graduated MCL and was President of the Harvard Law Review. 12 yrs (92-04) teaching constitutional law, 7 yrs State Senator, 4 yrs Senator for Illinos, a state with 12.8 million people. Palin has a Bachelor's in journalism from University of Idaho, 4 yrs Wasilla City Council (6700 people), 6 yrs Wasilla mayor (6700 people), 1 yr "Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission" and 20 months governor of a state with 660,000 people. Do the Republicans really think other republicans are so stupid they would believe she is more experienced than Obama? "

91241 wrote on Sep 13, 2008 10:59 AM:

" I am very disappointed that my comments from yesterday have not been entered in the paper. My views do have a conservative slant to them, however as I see that there are many, many opinions that are published that have a very liberal slant. Does this have a silent or hidden meaning to it?? Please explain why my opinion is not published. "

jpdc wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:00 PM:

" If Obama really wanted change, he would have chosen someone else to be his VP. Joe Biden has been in the senate for over 30 years. Is that change we can believe in? Even Joe Biden thinks Barack Obama picked the wrong candidate. BO has voted down party lines 97 percent of the time he has voted (which isn't often). Is that change we can believe in? John McCain has actually co-sponsored several pieces of legislation with Democrats including Ted Kennedy (much to the chagrin of his constituents). Now that is a change from the way Washington normally works! "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:26 AM:

" "Meanwhile, Greg Mankiw notes the political futures markets don't believe the tax cut rhetoric and predict there is a 74% chance McCain raises taxes if he's elected president." "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:46 PM:

" "yawn."

You won't be yawning when McNut and his sidekick raise social security taxes which McCain has suggested more than once. "

DK61727 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:24 AM:

" let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:07 PM: " "While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day." "

I said, ""YAWWWNNNN!!!!!!"". "

DK61727 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:07 AM:

" let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:24 PM: " "Out intellectually astute (for the dummy, I am being very sarcastic) V.P. nominee, Palin, tried to censor books that she did not want in her city library (note city library for adults, not an elementary school library). How far are we from the Nazi book burning days? Palin truly is a idiot. All you have to do is watch her bizarre if not fanatical religious services to realize that she is really, really out of the main stream big time." "

yawn. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:07 PM:

" "While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day." "

The Cat wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:49 PM:

" (un)reasonable: Your messiah Obummer is becoming a real “change” agent when it comes to his policies and platform since he keeps changing his mind. Over the weekend it was on tax increases for the “rich” and business where he said maybe the economic climate might not be right to do that right away. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:24 PM:

" "Out intellectually astute (for the dummy, I am being very sarcastic) V.P. nominee, Palin, tried to censor books that she did not want in her city library (note city library for adults, not an elementary school library). How far are we from the Nazi book burning days? Palin truly is a idiot. All you have to do is watch her bizarre if not fanatical religious services to realize that she is really, really out of the main stream big time." "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:24 PM:

" "The ONLY way they can cut taxes is to cut government spending. You can't rob from Peter to pay Paul!"

Scream all you want, but it is FACT that government has expanded MORE under republican administrations and debt HIGHER than under democratic administrations going all the way back to Roosevelt. Not only that the economy has soured under democratic administrations and been trashed under republican tax cuts for the wealthy with trickle down economics. Obama has promised to cut taxes and McCain has only talked about raising social security as well as all taxes are on the table to be raised. Palin raised taxes BIG TIME and built up huge debt as mayor and governor. She is a fraud in terms of being a conservative.. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:21 AM:

" Normal Jay wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:31 AM:

How is Obama qualified to be President? What has he accomplished that would qualify him for the job?

So far no one has been able to point anything out that would qualify him. Everyone just keeps screaming, but he said he will cut our taxes by becoming a modern day robbinhood taking from the better off and giving to the not so better off. Anyone with any common sense knows that will never work! The corporations and businesses he intends to rob this tax cut from to cut a measly $1000 per year for some people will only result in those poor people having to pay thousands more per year in raised prices! Not only will corporations raise prices passing that back to the consumers to cover that tax increase, but they will end up making more money from it! The people will end up paying more than what Obama cuts everytime they go to pay for goods and services at the cash register.

The ONLY way they can cut taxes is to cut government spending. You can't rob from Peter to pay Paul! "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:10 AM:

" let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:00 PM:
" Palin is a liberal spender of the worse type who did not hesitate to raise taxes and also blew the surplus in Alaska and then had to borrow money for the government to make ends meet"

Got any factual proof to back up your accusations?

The only thing I can find is she lowered property taxes. Raised sales tax by only one half percent to pay for the blown budget you keep calling it, which was with the approval of the people. She went after big oil and made them pay their fair share of taxes and created a surplus and gives money back to the people every year as a result of that. She cut over a half billion in spending as soon as she was elected governor. That so called blown budget you speak of is on target to be paid off two years ahead of time. Which was the money needed to build the sports center that the PEOPLE voted in favor of.

80% of the people can't all be wrong! "

Normal Jay wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:01 AM:

" TO ALL MCCAIN SUPPORTERS,
I'm really trying to find a reason to support McCain. I volunteered for his campaign in Arizona in 2000. He was clearly different from Bush then. But I can't seem to find any major issue (other than stem cell research) where his position differs from Bush now. Check out The Daily Show's comparison of the acceptance speech from Bush 2000 with McCain 2008; it's chilling. I find it curious that the 2008 RNC Platform contains no mention of either Bush or McCain. It's almost as if they've sent him and Palin as sacrificial lambs so they can field a candidate more likely to win in 2012. Can you please tell me from where his "change" will emanate? "

Normal Jay wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:31 AM:

" Mdorf4,
Yes, Alaska is a very conservative state. They have not had a Democratic Senator since Mike Gravel in '82. Their lone (Republican) member of the House has been there since '73. Both houses of the state legislature have long been Republican controlled. You were also incorrect in stating there was an Independent governor. Hickel was a Republican and became a member of the Alaskan Independence Party strictly because of election circumstances, and did not believe in secessionism. He rejoined the Republican party after his term ended.

FTC,
How exactly does her Alaskan approval rating show "she is a lot more qualified than Obama and Biden put together"? "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:00 PM:

" Palin is a liberal spender of the worse type who did not hesitate to raise taxes and also blew the surplus in Alaska and then had to borrow money for the government to make ends meet. She does the OPPOSITE of what she says including sucking up to Washington for pork barrel projects which she not says she opposes. She is just like McNut. He changes his positions more often than a lady of the night. "

The Cat wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:41 PM:

" Correction: Obummer was on This Week with Stephanopolus and Biden was on Meet the Press with Brokaw. While Biden was glib and deftly failed to answer the questions, Obummer was hesitant and gave his usual ‘uhs” and “ahs” on many questions. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:39 PM:

" Meh wrote on Sep 8, 2008 2:11 PM:
"State approval ratings don't translate to the national level. "

No, but it sure as heck shows she is a lot more qualified than Obama and Biden put together!

She won't be able to change Washington by herself, but she just might be able to wake the people up enough to see what is really going on there and make enough difference to get the people to start replacing those idiots in Washington. "

mdorf4 wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:23 PM:

" Meh
Alaska has only had a Repulican governor for the last 1 1/2 terms. From 1982-2002 they had 3 Democrats, 1 Independent, and 0 Republicans. Are you sure Alaska is a very conservative state? An 80% approval rating is difficult to achieve even within your own party, so I think it speaks volumes for what she has achieved. You should probably go back to attacking McCain, since the only thing you have on Palin is that she is inexperienced. That only leads to the questions of Obama's experience. "

Meh wrote on Sep 8, 2008 2:11 PM:

" TMIB, Howard Dean also had a 90% approval rating. He was a liberal in a liberal state.

Palin enjoys high approval ratings because she is very conservative and Alaska is a very conservative state.

State approval ratings don't translate to the national level. "

The Cat wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:30 PM:

" cats: (cont) Does Obummer know where he is today? The other day he was in New Pennsylvania (really New Philadelphia) Ohio. During the convention when he called in to his wife he knew he was in Missouri (one of those 57 or 58 or 60 states) but not what city. He sure didn’t look any too sharp or sure of himself on Meet the Press Today so I’m sure Palin can do at least as well when she is interviewed by the DNC public relations corps. Speaking of platforms, where are the Donkey specifics on how they are going to screw us (oops, meet their platform goals)? All those nice sounding promises the Donkeys make and never deliver. Since your (haha) “team” has less of a resume be careful of the “experience” jabs. Obummer says his “executive experience” is running his campaign (along with 300 foreign policy advisors to tell him how to surrender to US threats and how many others like Axelrod) but Palin not only ran her town and state but a campaign to beat the incumbent in a primary and the Donkey in the general. "

The Cat wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:11 PM:

" cats: Obummer as a change agent: 97% voting for Donkeys, most leftwing senator, in big with the Chicago political machine, picks a 36 year senate veteran as VP, in big with Jones and the Illinois statehouse crew, provides earmarks to his cronies and his wife’s employer; all “earmarks” (pun intended) of change. Whose creatures are Freddie and Fannie? Donkey politicians in FDR and LBJ’s administrations (yes that excrement goes back that far) as quasi governmental corporations that were mismanaged by the likes of Fanklin Raines and Jamie Gorelich of Bubba administration infamy. I guess you missed Biden’s close ties with lobbyists and the big party AT&T threw at the Donkey convention where the Donkeys had the ABC crew filming a lobbyist exposé arrested. As to filibusters, most Republican filibuster threats were for the Donkeys stupid Iraq legislation since the Donkeys didn’t do much of anything else except block new energy exploration. Didn’t the Donkeys try to hold up judges going the filibuster route? Is that the same Lieberman that was the Donkey VP candidate in 2000? How come we can’t get Obummers scholastic records? "

The Cat wrote on Sep 7, 2008 3:18 PM:

" ES: What "facts" were in that 9/5/08 2:52 rant? Just the standard "progressive" garbage presented as "facts" but without substance. Education spending went up with the NCLB Act. The economy has grown since the tax cuts short-circuited the effects of the Bubba recession and 9/11. The Donkeys supported “regime change” in Iraq when Bubba proposed it and couldn’t get their vote on record fast enough supporting the 2002 invasion (including Biden, Kerry, and Hillary). The tax burden is actually higher on the upper income levels than it was under Bubba. If you think Obummer is going to cut taxes, spend more, and balance the budget the Twilight Zone sure fits. He did back off on the budget balancing on Meet the Press today so there goes one “promise”. As to getting off “foreign fuel”, it’s the Donkeys blocking more production of our resources while talking about non-existing “green” energy. Odd that at the same time their environmentalist buddies are blocking solar, wind, geo thermal, hydroelectric, etc, too. The Donkeys getting reporters arrested, threatening criminal actions, and going after your opponents with legal challenges sure qualify as abuse of power. "

The Cats wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:37 PM:

" Had to laugh this weekend...McSame actually knew that Alaska was next to Russia without Lindsey or Lieberman at his side to tell him. McSame thinks his VP has all the foreign affairs experience necessary because of this geography. When asked specifically about her role as the head of the Alaskan National Guard (oh boy that is a big time job...LOL) she and McSame have no answer. The public knows...nothing. The job is ceremonial and she did nothing while in it. Talk about grasping at straws. BTW what is their platform? I have not seen anything but the foolish notion that someone in the Senate 26 years and voting (and publicly supporting) our failed Liar In Chief 90% of the time is a "change agent". I hear if she is forced out by the brewing scandal in Alaska they will name the mayor of El Paso, IL. as his running mate...he has just as much experience as she does. LOL in November. "

The Cats wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:32 PM:

" The Cat writes...

"If Obummer is coroneted with a Donkey House and filibuster proof Senate we are all in deep, deep Donkey manure because they have a radical agenda. "

Well at least wee know what the agenda is...and radical it is not. From the sounds out of the latest convention it is clear McSame has no agenda at all. As to the radical agenda...get us out of Iraq (as the Iraqis have asked us to), negotiate instead of threaten our enemies (as the republicans are doing now in Iran, North Korea, Lybia, etc), cut taxes for 81% of the country (and 95% of families with children), make the Exxon's of the country pay their fair share of taxes, put the unemployed back to work, balance the budget, and on and on. If that is a radical agenda I am all for it. Still waiting to hear what the Palin-McSame ticket has to offer besides lipstick. LOL in November. "

The Cats wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:26 PM:

" Wonder why Palin will not sit down for an interview with any credible news agencies? Could it be she does not have anything to say? Or could it be that she, like McSame is clearly not intellectually up to the challenge of running the country? Another pander by the "change agent" McSame. Wonder why he did not pick Lieberman...the republican Senator for Connecticut...who McSame wanted as VP? LOL in NOvember. "

The Cats wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:22 PM:

" Do you just chuckle at the thought of McSame as a change agent? 90% support of boy George and proud of it. Says he will take on the lobbyists while lobbyists run his campaign (those that remain from the legion who have already been fired...LOL). LOL in November. "

The Cats wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:21 PM:

" The Cat continues to ignore the fact that there have been more filibusters by a minority party this session than any in history. Republicans to blame for the mess in congress and the mess in the White House. We look to our President to lead...boy George simply is not intellectually up to the task of formulating a plan and making it happen (remember his attempt to privatize social security?). With McBush we have more of the same. Graduated 894 out of 899 in his class...another intellectually deficient republican Presidential candidate. LOL in November as we elect a leader who has a plan and a vision and has mapped it out for all to see. "

The Cats wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:17 PM:

" To "The Cat" you are always whining about the "socialist, liberal Democrats". What do you think about the 11th bank that was bailed out this week, the bail out of the private company (Bera-Stearns), and the largest bail out in history going down this weekend with Freddie and Fannie? LOL and see you later to the notion that giving the mega rich tax breaks will help any of the rest of us. LOL in November. BTW Cat...I await your answer and I really am hopeful that you will not talk about WW Wilson or FDR this time. "

ES wrote on Sep 7, 2008 1:15 AM:

" Cat, give facts that disprove rather than attempting lame and biased humor. Your weak attempts at attention are also tiring and boring. Grow up. "

Home Plate wrote on Sep 6, 2008 5:56 PM:

" To:bluedog.....You are talking about a time when a man's promise was his word. A time before special agendas, pork barrel spending, elite media, lobbists, and congressional corruption. The lines are no longer drawn in the sand for change, they are now drawn on how much money falls into the pockets of those that push for change to satisfy the donations received. Yes, FDR guided America toward prosperity, but not without a world war that drew a country together. I wish your grandparents were here today, too.....perhaps they could help guide us out of this mess through honesty and hard work!!! "

The Cat wrote on Sep 6, 2008 4:24 PM:

" ES: Your 9/6/08 2:52 PM comment should have the Twilight Zone Theme as its musical accompaniment. Jarhead71: I beg to differ. Obumer with Donkey control of the Legislative branch will bring change since they are all on the same page on issues. Unfortunately that change isn’t going to be pretty. As an example, look at the one piece of real legislation with Obummer’s name on it, The Global Poverty Act, and you get a nasty whiff the stench that change will be. "

The Cat wrote on Sep 6, 2008 4:15 PM:

" dwarf: It would be nice if you “progressives” got your facts straight but that’s probably too much to ask since your “facts” come from the DNC, MSNBC, and other associated leftwing sources. Fact: The Senate in the beginning of the 2001 session was even, 50 Republicans and 50 Donkeys, until Jumpin Jim Jeffords jumped to the Donkeys giving them 51-49 control until 2003. Now, before you say, “They didn’t have enough to do anything without opposition support”, the Republicans got a one seat majority in the 2003-2004 session (with unreliable Lincoln Chaffee as one of that majority). They did expand that majority slightly in 2004 but never with a majority to push legislation without Donkey (and RINO) support. So much for your “complete control”. I get tired of your “Bush and/or the Republicans” did all this excrement since there had to be Donkey support (like Kerry’s and Shrillery’s Iraq vote) or acquiesce for everything that passed since 2001. If Obummer is coroneted with a Donkey House and filibuster proof Senate we are all in deep, deep Donkey manure because they have a radical agenda. "

The Cat wrote on Sep 6, 2008 3:38 PM:

" kevin & uncletom: Start worrying more if Obummer gets in since he and his Donkey congressional buddies have tax plans for your 401K and IRAs. They can’t wait to do a “one time” 25% tax to fund your “free” healthcare and “save” SS from their past social programs that took the surplus. Remember who took all the excess SS payments and “invested” the funds in their “Great Society”. Greed: Adonis Obummer descending from the heavens with fireworks and the whole Nuremberg routine or the Shrillary vote count until she could play supporting Obummer with the NY delegation call for acclimation wasn’t “slickly produced”? uncletom: How long will we wait for the Donkey’s wind powered car and water powered airplane with all this “alternatives” they’ve been spouting? Their environmentalist buddies won’t even let that joke of wind-powered electricity be completed without suits. kltin: Didn’t Obummer just say recently that he wanted to give most people a $1000 “stimulus” check on top of the recent check? everyonehasanopinion: There’s plenty of community activists out there too but that doesn’t mean they “care” about the middleclass. "

ES wrote on Sep 6, 2008 2:52 PM:

" Bottom line, if you vote for McCain after the years of abusive power from Bush, the lack of trust Bush displayed, and the sheer lack of intelligence (literally and figuratively) of the Bush administration that was shown; you really are not very bright.

Obama is about change that will give more tax money in the hands of the people, ending a misguided war, creating less reliance on foreign fuel, and the development of more education and economic opportunities for folks who have been denied the last eight years. "

Two Cents wrote on Sep 6, 2008 2:38 PM:

" To Ktlin: Oh, and one more thing......You indicated Sarah Palin was not vetted. Don't think for a minute that the McCain camp didn't vet her before selecting her for a running mate. McCain is not rash, impulsive, or stupid. You would be kidding yourself if you think his choice was not well thought out and a smart move on his part. Obviously, it worked. The Democratic party and liberal media seems to have put themselves in high gear trying to smear Sarah's reputation and working record. Must be threatened, huh? "

Two Cents wrote on Sep 6, 2008 1:49 PM:

" To Ktlin: You really should get your facts straight before writing your posts. It would help your credibility. First, Sarah DID list the plane on E-Bay (because it was an extravagance that wasn't needed). It wasn't sold on E-Bay, however. The plane was sold though. In many posts you keep mentioning McCain having tantrums. When? Where? You need to back up what you say. Perhaps he has a temper and is passionate? John McCain is a well-respected man, and many Dems. feel that way, even if they don't agree with all of his policies. But throwng tantrums? I think that is a stretch. "

DaveII wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:18 AM:

" The best change is to remove every politician (state and federal) from office and start over. These change proponents are just different faces with more of the same old political double talk.

And, let's do the same with the mainstream media while change is being made. These air heads insult anyone that has a brain cell. "

TMIB wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:02 AM:

" To ktlin, I understand what you are saying. Obviously there are no perfect cadidates. As for Palin, I like her for more than just her approval rating. You are right, Bush had a high approval rating at one point. SO far, I have not seen any proof of why she is not a good choice. Lots of rumors, just waiting for facts.

As for Obama, no one has given me an answer yet. I do not want to hear what is wrong with McCain. I want to know what makes Obama so great!! I am not looking for anyone to trash the other guy. Just an honest answer as to what has Obama done in the past that leads me to believe he can make a difference. So far, co-sponsering one or 2 bills in 8 years in office is not enough.

My vote can be swayed. But not by throwing trash about the other guy. "

Bluedog wrote on Sep 6, 2008 6:27 AM:

" to: Home Plate. Wish my parents and grandparents were still around so you could ATTEMPT to tell them that FDR didn't bring change ! "

Home Plate wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:16 PM:

" It seems that every election, everyone runs for the office of president under the platform of CHANGE! The problem is, once elected it seems the changes become what we liked about America and the things we wanted changed remained the same......So asking for change might not be in the best interest of all Americans.
Changes could be the reason for the problems we presently have. I highly suggest that "We The People" define what changes we want before electing another "I Will Change Everything" president. You can change your underwear, change the baby, and you can even change your mind, but don't change America!
For those of you wishing for change, please stop and place priorities on your desires for change, before backing a specific candidate. Vote for who you wish, but don't vote for change! It doesn't work!!! "

ktlin wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:35 PM:

" to TMIB: Isn't that relative? How many are voting. And didn't Bush have a 91% rating at one time. Doesn't everyone just love him. Maybe we should change the constitution and he could run again with that attitude. "

ktlin wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:33 PM:

" to TMIB: What has McCain done that he hasn't changed his mind on and that he didn't do it because he was having a temper tantrum. One reason George Bush didn't get a lot of stuff he wanted done was because of someone throwing tantrums and creating opposition to him and that would be McCain. People sure have short memories. And others have said when McCain doesn't get his wait he pouts and throws tantrums. My opinion is that Sarah is a tantrum. He wanted Lieberman. When he was told by his party that wouldn't work he chose an unvetted Sarah. Some of the stuff about her was already in the news he just ignored it. After the new wears off (I have heard that speech so many times I could give it myself) we will just go back to the old has been McCain and his constant gaffes. Today he said she sold the plane on Ebay with a profit. Wrong on 2 counts. She put it on ebay but it didn't sell. She sold it later for a loss. "

ktlin wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:26 PM:

" to let's see: look to the north and look to Springfield. Who doesn't live there that should. We have a house for him to but he likes Chicago. Just because one is elected doesn't mean one does as expected. Remember our governor. She is a governor too. "

TMIB wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:36 PM:

" Bluedog, that can be said for both parties. "

Bluedog wrote on Sep 5, 2008 5:06 PM:

" Newsflash ! We know that Barack Obama is a man of immense talents but he has even surpassed himself this time. In the last few days he has " morphed " into a craggly seventy-two year old white guy who is running around America spouting that he is the " change " agent we've been waiting for. If he can do this then maybe he can walk on water ! Seriously, if Mc Cain and the GOP can sell this one to the American people then indeed we are a gullible lot ! "

TMIB wrote on Sep 5, 2008 4:38 PM:

" I will add that I became much more interested in the race since Palin came into the picture. Reguardless of how you feel about her, you must admit that an 80-85% approval rating says a lot. She has accomplished alot in her short time. I will also state that I do not agree with all of her views. "

TMIB wrote on Sep 5, 2008 4:34 PM:

" Again, I would like someone to show proof that Obama is more than a great speaker. So far it looks as though he has done very little in the time he was in public office. You can poke holes in both candidates. I do not drink the republican, nor democrat, kool-aide. I do not agree 100% with both parties. I am a union member, have family and friends in the military, could care less about religion, am pro choice, and am looking for someone who could go into Washington and shake it up. Every candidate through the years have promised to do so. Yet no one has. The president has limited powers. Who ever wins will moderate from their position now. My beliefs are that McCain has more of a proven record of going against the status quo. yes, I am looking at the man and not the issues. Please, instead of bashing McCain, prove that Obama can creatre change. Obama is a great speaker, McCain is not. I do not wish to trash either one. "

dwarf wrote on Sep 5, 2008 4:01 PM:

" To be specific, Jarhead, he's missed *more* votes than any other senator. Don't get me wrong, Barry's #3 on the list, Clinton #4, and Biden #5. But McCain draws top honors in absenteeism. "

Jarhead71 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:38 PM:

" TMID, check into McCain's voting record. He has actually missed more voting opportunities than most do nothing Senators. He also almost always votes against veterans and the military. Check it out for yourself, it is all out in the open. Go down through his votes and take notice and count and compare. "

TMIB wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:10 PM:

" To isunormalil: It was a serious question. I will not defend Bush, and I am not a Republican. If anything I am an independent who voted for Clinton in his first term. First, McCain's record is right out in the open. He has pissed off many members of both parties in Congress, which is a positive in my book. He has also worked well with members of both parties. While I do not agree with EVERYTHING McCain stands for, at least he has proven he will stand behind what he says. I have not found any evidence that I can believe Obama will do what he says. And I consider myself intelligent enough not to by into any party lines. The "more of the same" is crap. The republican party also has its faults. I just want someone to give me some solid proof that Obama is more than a good speaker. "

dwarf wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:39 PM:

" Here's the bottom line, as far as I'm concerned.

Republicans had *complete* control over Congress and the Presidency for 6 straight years. And, although not a majority, they've obstructed/filibustered/vetoed pretty much everything coming from the Democrats in congress for the past 2 years.

I know some folks here like to go back further and blame all of our problems on the Clintons - but if that were the case, what did the Republicans do during their first 6 years in complete control of both houses and the executive?

The Republican party has a lot more to prove to me right now than the Democratic party does. They've had their chance, and really dropped the ball. "

isunormalil wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:21 PM:

" TMIB, can you tell me what Bush and McCain have done the past eight years. Ok, they love to tout the foreign policy experience. If we give them the nod on that...what have they done at home to secure up our on economy and every citizens life? Have they created more jobs??? Look at your wall st. "

Dave wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:37 PM:

" For GWife2. Obama is a United States Senator. He is a former State Senator. But I agree he hasn't done much except give good speeches.
For FirstFreedom. I agree most of us haven't a clue what it would be like to be a POW. However, McCains first wife stood by him all the years he was in the North Viet Nam Prison and he promply left her when he got out.
By his own admission he was a playboy. I wouldn't say that ruins his character image but IMO it does dull it somewhat. "

TMIB wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:31 PM:

" Can someone please tell me what Obama has done? Sure, the press has mentioned one or two Bills that he helped out with. But other than that, what has he done? He speaks of change and is very vague. Is he capable of making that change? So far, I just see a very good speaker with nothing to back it up. McCain, at least there is record of what he has done. Actions speak louder than words. Can someone point me to where I can read about Obama's actions and why that makes him the best person for the job? "

DT wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:20 PM:

" Keep in mind that when a Democrat increases taxes 10% rather than 20%, he considers it a tax cut. That is the ONLY way Obama can cut taxes for 95% of the working families. "

Jarhead71 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:58 AM:

" CHANGE has been needed for some time now. That is why we changed from a republican congress to a democrap congress last election. Problem is, it got worse.

We need change in IL politics, but Chicago keeps picking lousy Republicans to run against incumbent Chicaog dems. The known is usually better than the unknown, so we keep putting lousy Chicago dems back into office.

Don't hold your breath after the elections. Neither McCain nor Obama will bring change to Washington, DC. Promises, promises, empty promises to get elected. "

FirstFreedom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:28 AM:

" To Sam Wainright: Why don't YOU give it a rest? McCain NEVER said he was the only one who suffered as a POW; in fact, if you had actually listened to the speech last night, you would know and acknowledge this.
He SAID there were others who sacrificed way more than he did. But then again, why let the spoken truth get in