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let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:25 PM:

" It was released recently that McCain's IQ score is very high. 133. They said if elected he would be the most intelligent President in history! "

FTC: You now show that you really DON"T have a clue. 133 is not a high score by any standard measurement. Besides, if McCain had any perseverance at all he would have graduated higher in his class. It is tough to be near the bottom. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 24, 2008 5:22 PM:

" Pangloss

Just repeating what time magazine said.

Time wrote in 1999:

"Included in the records is a 1984 IQ test. His score, 133, would rank him among the most intelligent Presidents in history." "

Pangloss wrote on Sep 24, 2008 3:25 PM:

" It was released recently that McCain's IQ score is very high. 133. They said if elected he would be the most intelligent President in history!

What are you talking about? Obviously, you don't know anything about IQ scores, and you're making things up. Probably 7 out of our last 10 Presidents have had IQs of 133 or higher, because 133 is not exceptionally high. Mine is in the 150s, and I'm stupid enough to be wasting time calling you on your BS. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:48 AM:

" let's be reasonable

It was released recently that McCain's IQ score is very high. 133. They said if elected he would be the most intelligent President in history! "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:44 PM:

" George Will:

"It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency."

Even the true conservatives have reservations. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 23, 2008 4:24 PM:

" let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:02 PM:
" Many of you blame the corrupt democrats for all the problems of the country."

Hey, I'm proud of you lets be (un)reasonable! Looks like you are starting to reform yourself. You finally acknowledge democrats are in fact corrupt!!! Good for you! LOL "

The Cat wrote on Sep 23, 2008 4:17 PM:

" (un)reasonable: Your 9/23/08 1:02 PM comment is supposed to trump Obummer’s finanical advisors Raines and Johnson (also the original head of his VP search team) both of whom cooked the Fannie books to make tens of millions? That also fails to address the big contributions by Freddie and Fannie to both Obummer and his home boy organization ACORN. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:02 PM:

" Many of you blame the corrupt democrats for all the problems of the country. However, look in the mirror first. McCain's campaign manager took over two millions dollars from the Fs in the mortgage industry. Let's hear it for republican lobbyists. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:00 PM:

" John McCain has a temper:

Channeling his inner Queen of Hearts, John McCain furiously, and apparently without even looking around at facts, said Chris Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, should be decapitated. This childish reflex provoked the Wall Street Journal to editorialize that "McCain untethered" -- disconnected from knowledge and principle -- had made a "false and deeply unfair" attack on Cox that was "unpresidential"... "

LOL Liberal (:-D) wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:36 PM:

" Cat, I am so progressive that looking into the mirror is like looking into the future. It's also very bright! "

illini-dog wrote on Sep 22, 2008 5:11 PM:

" Follow the constitution; Regarding your 3:22 post. You left out the best part and i think people should know about it. Franklin Raines was the CEO of frannie mae and his compensation was tied to meeting earning targets so he cooked the books to get that pay. Now Franklin Raines is one of Obamas economic advisers for his campaign. This guy sounds crooked and i would not want him anywhere near an administration . "

The Cat wrote on Sep 22, 2008 4:25 PM:

" (un)reasonable: Whenever we see your “it is a proven fact....” tag we all know whatever follows is a proven fantasy. Facts and your posts are on the opposite ends of the truth spectrum. Like Fannie and Freddie; Fannie is a FDR creature and Freddie a LBJ creature. Both have long been homes for Donkey operatives out of power like Raines, Johnson, and Gorelick and have given big bucks to Donkeys like Dodd, Obummer, Shrillary, etc. They’re also big funding sources for the likes of Obummer’s crew, ACORN, the real “community organizer” organizers that Obummer is tied to. You need a new positing handle; rather than ”let’s be reasonable” try “let’s be narrow-minded”. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:37 AM:

" let's be reasonable

Yeah, that is why Clinton vito'd it! LOL "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:16 AM:

" "You can thank Clinton for that and his free trade agreement."

What a stupid comment. The FTA was passed through a republican congress. GMAFB. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:54 AM:

" let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 22, 2008 1:38 AM:
" In the auto industry 250,000 jobs have been lost. Good job Georgie. "

You can thank Clinton for that and his free trade agreement. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 22, 2008 1:38 AM:

" In the auto industry 250,000 jobs have been lost. Good job Georgie. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 22, 2008 1:37 AM:

" Let's see, Bush builds up an 11 trillion dollar deficit--why, because he can't balance taxation w/income. Clinton did. What can't Bush? The answer is obvious: The greedy pig republicans could not wait to cut taxes for the wealthy while not worrying about paying the bills. Clinton paid the bills. Clinton balanced the budget. Clinton left office w/a surplus. Bush could not. Why: Because he had the wrong priorities and consistently made poor decisions including Iraq. LOL in November. "

The Cat wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:11 PM:

" (un)reasonable: Perhaps you can expand your “no responding” pledge to all posts since you failure to responsed appears to be due to your lack of facts and logic in approaching the issues. "

The Cat wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:06 PM:

" LOL: You can only be a deranged idiot moron if you are a “progressive”. Try looking in a mirror to see what one looks like. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 21, 2008 5:06 PM:

" let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:46 PM:

Witness Georgie's buyout of Fannie and Wall Street. If he really was a conservative, he would have opposed it. "

And it appears the Democratic led Congress is going right along with his plan, just like they did with the AIG bailout, just like they did on the war, just like they did on the Patriot Act, just like they did on amnisty for telecommunication companies, just like they've done on Gitmo, etc., etc. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:22 PM:

" let's be reasonable ....Bush is not the one running for election here. McCain is.

In 2005 McCain put a bill on the floor for more oversight of Fannie and Freddie. He warned congress of their questionable accounting. Ominously, he predicted that at a later date the American taxpayers could end up paying dearly without this oversight he proposed. He wanted a seperate company to audit their books. Unfortunately, his proposal was defeated by Democrats and some GOP members that crossed lines. Oblahma voted against McCain’s legislation. Why? Because Freddie and Fannie are special interest groups that fund elections. And Barack Obama has recieved the second largest amount of money of anyone else from these groups even though they have been giving it out since 1989 and he has only collected for four years. So much for his “change” and for not taking money from special interest.

Thank Obama for taking part in being against preventing this wall street mess! "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:17 PM:

" let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:46 PM:
" Witness Georgie's buyout of Fannie and Wall Street."

LOL....who established Fannie??? Oh yeah...democrats! Now a democrat established entity has made a mess of things so just blame it on republicans for having to step in and clean up their mess! Classic! LOL "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:46 PM:

" "Only democrats do that crap which is exactly why our government is to big,..."

This is TOTAL B.S. It is proven fact that government under republican administrations has grown faster and bigger (along with the deficits) than under democratic administrations. Republicans talk a good conservative line and then do exactly the OPPOSITE. Witness Georgie's buyout of Fannie and Wall Street. If he really was a conservative, he would have opposed it. If you want conservative government, FAIR TAXES, and FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, vote democratic. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:03 PM:

" Constitution: You are dead wrong on Palin. B.S. She would not hesitate to over turn R. v. W. She has more than once mixed her religion in politics in Alaska. The woman is a right wing zealot. Her thinking is not mainstream. Now that folks are discovering her TRUE beliefs, her poll numbers are dropping fast.

Obama is NOT weak. He has been very consistent in his foreign policy. If Bush is such a bright star why is OBL still on the loose and the rebels in Afghanistan making a come back. 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. Democrats won WWI and WWII. Republicans can't win a war to save their face. Nixon gave up in Vietnam. Bush has made of mess of Iraq. GMAFB. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 20, 2008 3:07 PM:

" let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:13 AM:
" " For mothers of single daughters: If your daughter were raped, Sarah Palin, if she were empowered to do so, would deny the possibility of having an abortion."

More BS being spread around. She never said she would deny anyone that. She said that is merely her own personal belief and does not intend to push her personal belief off on other people. She said she knows everyone has their own beliefs and respects that. Just because she believes in something does not mean she is out to make that a law. Only democrats do that crap which is exactly why our government is to big, and why Obama plans to grow it bigger, because they want you to conform to whatever they believe should be. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Sep 20, 2008 3:01 PM:

" let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:56 PM:
B.S. 9/11 happened on Bush's watch because he was NOT prepared and did not listen to Clinton's advisors. Terrorism has increased because Georgie chased the wrong guys and put resources in the wrong countries. Obama will go over the terrorists and catch them much more effectively than Georgie. He will also be very aggressive on this point. McNut will get us into another war that we don't need. He is trigger happy. That IS SCARY. Any other argument is simply B.S. "

Obama will hide, and end up getting us into a big war and on our soil for the first time in history! Obama is WEAK, can't decide on anything and the terroists know it which is why they would love to see him elected! "

LOL Liberal (:-D) wrote on Sep 20, 2008 2:06 PM:

" There are idiot morons and then there are deranged morons. The idiot morons fall into the fear trap, the deranged morons set it. Buckeye is an idiot moron, Cat is a deranged moron. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 20, 2008 1:43 AM:

" LOLLiberal: "Nobody can tap into it like those Republicans, and there are plenty of idiot morons in the world - take Buckeye for example."

LOL, don't forget "Cat" in your list of morons, to whom, by the way, I no longer respond. "

The Cat wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:19 PM:

" (un)reasonable: Being an economic illiterate perhaps you don’t realize that much of the worker “productivity” comes from capital being injected into the business process. That is also why many jobs have disappeared over the years. At one time many business had hoards of clerical personnel and middle managers to do functions like order processing, accounting transactions, and related functions manually on paper. Starting after WW2 with tab machines and later increasingly sophisticated computer systems those jobs were replaced by fewer workers with increased skills and mechanical assistance. That has been true also in technical fields like engineering with tools like CADs, transportation, manufacturing, and most areas even construction. Capital (whether it’s investors or retained earnings) deserves its fair reward for that productivity. Workers who retain their skills and work ethics usually manage to also receive their rewards for their efforts. Those that don’t usually flip burgers. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:56 PM:

" "Terrorists leaders also favor Obama over McCain, what does that tell you?"

B.S. 9/11 happened on Bush's watch because he was NOT prepared and did not listen to Clinton's advisors. Terrorism has increased because Georgie chased the wrong guys and put resources in the wrong countries. Obama will go over the terrorists and catch them much more effectively than Georgie. He will also be very aggressive on this point. McNut will get us into another war that we don't need. He is trigger happy. That IS SCARY. Any other argument is simply B.S. "

Realist wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:22 PM:

" to Let's Be Reasonable: Terrorists leaders also favor Obama over McCain, what does that tell you? It scares me to death, because the terrorists networks know their only chance to succeed is that a tree hugging liberal is voted in the White House. Oh, here's another surprise, another slam the republican's article by the AP. It's getting a little old. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:13 AM:

" " For mothers of single daughters: If your daughter were raped, Sarah Palin, if she were empowered to do so, would deny the possibility of having an abortion. Would your daughter and immediatley family want to be forced to raise the child of a rapist? At the very least, would you want to allow your neighbor's daughter the option of making her own decision. Such is the thinking of the very, very, extreme right wing Sarah Palin. It is this type of thinking, which is totally lacking in compassion, from a book burning conservative such as Palin. Yes, she did try and restrict intellectual freedom by attempting to dictate her own standards of literature when mayor and then firing the librarian. Such narrow minded attitudes are intolerable for an elected official. " "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:32 PM:

" 9 AM:

" A new poll of economists finds Sen. Barack Obama is overwhelmingly preferred over Sen. John McCain by a 66% to 28% margin.

The survey consisted of 523 economists who are both U.S. citizens and members of the American Economic Association. " "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:27 AM:

" from New York Times editorial, 9/17

For decades, typical Americans have not been rewarded for their increasing productivity with comparably higher pay or better benefits. The disconnect between work and reward has been especially acute during the Bush years, as workers’ incomes fell while corporate profits, which flow to investors and company executives, ballooned. For workers, that is a fundamental flaw in today’s economy. "

LOL Liberal (:-D) wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:16 PM:

" Santo Fan, while it seems intuitive that Barack would win in a landslide, there are no guarantees in life. As a Cubs fan, you should know very well how elusive the ultimate victory can be. And just remember, Stupid somehow got himself elected once (he wasn't the first time). Just goes to show you the power of fear. Nobody can tap into it like those Republicans, and there are plenty of idiot morons in the world - take Buckeye for example. "

Voice of Reason2 wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:55 AM:

" Let's - So you would rather pick someone to directly put into the office that was unprepared than someone as VP who has more experience than them? Obama has done nothing for Illinois so where is his 'experience' coming from? "

Voice of Reason2 wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:51 AM:

" The Cat - Amen "

let's be reasonable wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:54 PM:

" Well, for me McCain really is McNut. The latter really does fit for anyone who would pick a totally unprepared person to be a heartbeat from the square office. "

thedish wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:24 AM:

" I like how a lot of you are calling Obama "whiney". Isn't it the Republicans who are freaking out because of the "lipstick on a pig" comment? Just because Ms. Palin is a woman and wears lipstick, all of a sudden it's a slam against her? I'm a woman but there is no way in hell I'd vote for her. "

The Cat wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:06 PM:

" ambr1: Bush’s grades were BETTER than Gore(d). Gored also flunked out once if I remember right. Pangloss: In you “outrage” list you sort of failed to link the problem with the cause: Deficits = Pelosi/Reid congressional control and run away entitlement programs; rising trade deficit/unemployment/inflation/high gas prices = Donkey/environmentalist axis using Pelosi/Reid congressional control to block drilling for and development of our own resources; Freddie/Fannie = Donkey politicians from FDR through LBJ to the Bubba administration cronies running down both “corporations” while taking big bonuses (with a slice of “equal opportunity leading” thrown in for good measure), wars/Taliban = Carter (aka Peanuthead) who destabilized the whole area and Bubba who sat on his hands (while keeping other body parts busy) ignoring/mismanaging threats for eight years; foreclosures/bank failures = (in large part) Donkey mandated “equal opportunity leading” initiatives. "

excuseme wrote on Sep 14, 2008 2:24 PM:

" AnnieNap: Bob Jones University is not accredited. "

doublethink wrote on Sep 13, 2008 8:43 AM:

" Someone correct me if I'm wrong................but didn't fannie and freddie go south because of the moronic political appointees that Clinton put at their heads. They then "cooked" the books to get high bonuses. "

yakky_one wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:08 PM:

" Frankly, I think they have both faltered in many ways. I do not post here who I am voting for or who I support because either way it causes an issue with the opposing parties. "

yakky_one wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:06 PM:

" ktlin : That wasn't my point, my point was about the racist card that is played on each and every comment section here on the Pantagraph. I was merely stating (and I blundered) that people were bashing Obama because of his actions and not because he was Black. I don't understand why people always assume that one's actions are automatically judged due to their skin color. "

Former_Resident wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:10 PM:

" Is Obama going to be the next Pres...No...But he did save a lot of money ( on his house) by switching to Rezko...Roflmao... "

Former_Resident wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:57 PM:

" Also i will bet he has campaigned more days than he has showed up at work since he has been a senator. So how has he made change in his own state? I will wait here for that overwhelming list of achievements. Oh there arent any....... "

Former_Resident wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:47 PM:

" BTW...Seriously correct me if im wrong...is it true Obama cant produce a birth certificate? Is he even really a US citizen? "

lizzie wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:06 PM:

" It's a game. Kerry didn't play it and he lost as a result. "

Pangloss wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:56 AM:

" $10 trillion in debt, two wars, highest unemployment in 6 years, massive government takeovers of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Taliban regrouping in Afganistan, US admits to torture, foreclosures left and right, consumer spending falling, $4 gasoline, highest inflation in 25 years, trade deficit rising, investment banks losing billions.

But the McCain/Palin ticket makes its biggest issue the outrage over an expression that McCain himself has used at least three times in the past six months. I guess when your party has ruined the country and left middle class people holding the bag-- and by your own admission you don't know much about the economy-- that must be good politics. "

I like toast wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:17 AM:

" To all Obama supporters: I think we should not make fun of McCain's or Palin's name on the posts here about them. I know how funny the Cat and Realist are by calling him Obummer and the Obama-Biden-Laden ticket. Why those guys are making millions writing sitcoms with that kind of wit is hard to believe. McCain was a war hero and Palin is a governor, so as much as we may disagree with their policies, they do deserve our respect for at least trying to make a difference. Let's stick to our beliefs and policies and let these fantastic comedians make their jokes about the names. It's gold, Jerry, comedy gold!! "

ktlin wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:33 AM:

" to yakky one: I thought that is why we were against McCain. At least that is the way he acts. Even today his fake falling asleep and snorting made him seem sorta like an idiot you refer to. And I like his being grumpy. If he can't answer a question without being grumpy (and think of all those questions he REFUSES to answer) does he even have the personality to be president. I would love to have someone grill him like OReilly grilled Obama and see what McCain is made of. What would he do throw a tantrum? Say I don't know. Refuse to answer. Or give a clearly stupid answer. Or all 4 which he has a record of. And by the way tonight I heard a few uhs out of McCain's mouth. In fact probably more than Obama's. Is he copying that too? Whatever works. "

yakky_one wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:02 PM:

" it's her: you calm down and cut the racist crap! This isn't the stone ages...we aren't against Obummer because he's black, but because he's an idiot! "

Steve... wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:36 AM:

" After reading the posts on this page it is quite refreshing to know that politics in this country is just another form of entertainment for the ignorant masses. No matter where or how, or how well you did when you were educated it seems that common sense was left out. This race has been a laughing stock on both sides from the get go. I don't trust either one of these parties and neither should the rest of America. Thankfully, in fifty years I will be on my way out of this life and not have to live in a world where America is a second rate power behind the likes of China, India, Brazil, and the other countries in this world that are working over time to make something of themselves. The day is coming when America will be irrelevent. Problem is your all too busy arguing about issues like this to care. By the way, both sides have used the quote both sides need to grow up and act like they deserve to be POTUS and not most popular in fifth grade. "

ambr1 wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:06 AM:

" to realist: How's your dummycan president doing??? I can't imagine how long it's going to take to straighten out his mess. Why did Republicans do THAT to our country???? See, two can play at that game. Thank God this is a blue state!!! "

realist wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:06 AM:

" to Ambr1: So you're glad this is a blue state?! So how's your dummycrat Governor doing this days? I can't imagine how long it's going to take to straighten out his mess. And you're glad this is a blue state? Let's not do that to our country, please! "

Pontiac resident wrote on Sep 11, 2008 5:49 AM:

" Obama's mad, he see the race slipping away. Doesn't know how to stop the downhill slide. "

Annienap wrote on Sep 11, 2008 12:32 AM:

" To: 'excuseme' - Excuse ME? First - you are excused. Second - I beg your pardon? You do not know me and I do not know you - thank God. FYI - yes, I did finish grade school, high school AND 6 years of college! Would you like for me to scan my degrees to you as well as other proof of my education which I completed 35 years ago? They are on the wall right above the desk that this computer is on, so it will be NO problem whatsoever. May God bless you. "

ambr1 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:53 PM:

" "I think they put some lipstick on a pig,
but it's still a pig." – John McCain criticizing Hillary Clinton's health care plan, October 11th, 2007 "

the guard wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:47 PM:

" LIP STICK ON A PIG IS STILL A PIG. WILL A DEMOCRATIC IN THE WHITE IS SI STILL A JOKE "

ambr1 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:27 PM:

" to pseudo-intellectual: Bush's grades equal to Al Gores?!?!?!? HA HA HA HA HA!!! Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard! HA HA HA!! Have you actually sat down and listened to the two fo them speak?? The republicans these days seem to only be made up of the religious nut cases in the US, and man do we have a lot of them. Thank God this is a blue state!!! "

pseudo-intellectual wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:59 PM:

" ambr1, you should be ashamed of excuseme's arrogant, elitist and untrue remarks, let alone praising them. "Truth" requires more than emotional hysterics and personal innuendo. It is not true that Republicans are uneducated. They are by and large associated with the folks who run the business of America. Liberals are typically lawyers and teachers and government types. You like to run down Bush but I think it is fairly well established his college grades were at least the equal of Nobel Prize winner AL Gore. "

pseudo-intellectual wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:53 PM:

" It's obvious that folks in the Obama campaign are feeling a lot less secure these days, but this really is a silly dispute. I'll even concede that the McCain-Palin camp is over-reacting. But that said, Obama's remarks were CLASSLESS, whoever or whatever he was referring to. Palin used the lipstick metaphor as a bit of self-deprecating humor. There was no way for Obama to use it without sticking his foot in his mouth. His remarks were not funny, and it's mostly his fault for getting sidetracked when he should be speaking out on the issues. "

miskaffon wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:17 PM:

" ktlin, I "tuned in" Obama...and ran away screaming; "there go all of our hard-fought freedoms!!!!" No, I don't think McCain's much better, maybe slightly, but overall I have to stick with the Libertarians. Less Government=Salvaged freedom!!! LESS big government, what a revolutionary, liberating, adult concept that so many in this country don't seem to understand or appreciate. It makes me extremely angry and dissappointed in the direction the "masses" are taking this country in. Nanny State government, dictatorship, is not a healthy way for us to go. The US is already so far removed from the Founding Fathers' vision that it is nearly unrecognizable. Obama would just seal the deal. No turning back. "

Proud Conservative wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:00 PM:

" Throw the mud, libs. Truth is, since Palin's been named, The Messiah's camp hasn't been able to find its way or its message. It's been exposed for the sham it is, and I have yet to hear any specifics from The Messiah except change. Turning the US economy into a Commie/Socialist system would be change, alright. Keep spinning, sheeple.

How's THAT for a complete sentence or two (from a masters degree recipient), excuseme? "

Former_Resident wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:57 PM:

" Sigh good post but u forgot ....."Really looking forward to when the debates start and McCain comes out to strike the final blow against the Obama campaign. " = CHECKMATE "

Realist wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:53 PM:

" It's a desperate man, who is ever so close to losing, that begins to lash out in a last ditch effort to salvage himself. Gee, isn't that how this article sounds? Obama-Biden-Laden is dropping in the polls. I cannot wait for the debates and for out day at the polls to put the knockout punch to the dummycrats. "

Former_Resident wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:48 PM:

" to:Simple Simon
" Why would McCain choose palin to begin with? Simple answer....because Obama wasnt smart enough to pick Hillary.....nuf said.. "

OGS wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:37 PM:

" The Audacity of Deceit,,,oh so how true! "

Not so Political wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:35 PM:

" why would one not think that a repub was lieing. remember GW Bush has been from the begining of the attack on Iraq. No weapons, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, all lies.
oh, I am still voting for Snoopy !! "

logicisneeded wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:31 PM:

" Obama calling someone a liar? What a whiny brat. First off he didn't want michigan in the primary elections, then when it would have given Hillary the advantage, he all of a sudden wanted it. He said he would take public funds for his pres run, liar, he changed his mind again. He is doing everything dirty, just like the other chicago democrats, and you all know how they screwed you over (i.e. your parks). Don't trust this idiot. "

Jarhead71 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:28 PM:

" No comment. "

ambr1 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:18 PM:

" Thanks excuseme. It's nice to hear some truth on these boards for once. I highly recommend the republicans on this board read excuseme's post. There is a great need for education on this board. "

Sigh wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:01 PM:

" hahaha.... excellent (bridges fingers).

Obama on defensive - check.
Obama, Democrats first string candidate in life or death match with the Republican second string Palin - check.
McCain-Palin leading in polls - check.

Really looking forward to when the debates start and McCain comes out to strike the final blow against the Obama campaign. "

excuseme wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:50 PM:

" The only way the Repugs win is to do as Bush did...keep minorities away from the polls. They are doing it in many states like Michigan and are targeting people who have lost their homes: "GOP ties to state’s largest foreclosure law firm"

The Macomb GOP’s plans are another indication of how John McCain’s campaign stands to benefit from the burgeoning number of foreclosures in the state. McCain’s regional headquarters are housed in the office building of foreclosure specialists Trott & Trott. The firm’s founder, David A. Trott, has raised between $100,000 and $250,000 for the Republican nominee.

The Macomb County party’s plans to challenge voters who have defaulted on their house payments is likely to disproportionately affect African-Americans who are overwhelmingly Democratic voters. More than 60 percent of all sub-prime loans — the most likely kind of loan to go into default — were made to African-Americans in Michigan, according to a report issued last year by the state’s Department of Labor and Economic Growth. "

Realist wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:50 PM:

" Obama saying McCain's campaign is full of lies phony outrage. Well, I guess he would know given that he's dummycrats are kings in that regard. Hey, the Obama-Biden-Laden supporters shouldn't feel bad, finishing 2nd is better than not being in the race at all. Enjoy the next 4 years of McCain and Palin in the White House! "

cats55ire wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:46 PM:

" to ktlin - thanks for sharing your feedback.

I might mention, I "tuned in" to Mr. Obama . . . that's why I'm voting for McCain and Palin. :) "

ambr1 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:28 PM:

" The smelly old fish comment was great, and oh so true! Im female and I didn't find the pig comment sexist. Republicans need to stop being babies. If McCain and Palin can't take the heat then they should get out of the game. "

albundy54 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:22 PM:

" Barry is getting desperate. Poll numbers are falling and he still hasn't been humiliated yet by McCain in a live debate. I find it humorous that the democrats only know one move, attack and more attack. People are really tired of this old trick and for a man who promises change, I ask where is it? "

ambr1 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:17 PM:

" Who cares, Palin is a pig! GO OBAMA!!!!!! "

Otown_boy wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:12 PM:

" McCain used that very same "lipstick" phrase earlier in his campaign referring to Clinton's healthcare plans. McCain's current tactics are nothing more than gutter Rovian politics. We saw it in 2000 and 2004. Problem is most of the American electorate are sheep and simply do as their party tells them instead of thinking for themselves,that's how we got into this mess in the first place. A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote for Bush's third term. No doubt about it. "

excuseme wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:06 PM:

" Annienap...umm...he only finished Harvard Law School....and your educational credentials are???...I doubt you finished grade school. "

it's her wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:03 PM:

" "White people calm down." "

excuseme wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:03 PM:

" Do you notice how the Repugs can't spell or put a coherent sentence together? No wonder the Bushies are HS Diploma or less. How sad, and so easily led are the uneducated. "

it's her wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:03 PM:

" "On the "View" they showed McCain using the same comment awhile back. I think Michelle wouldn't stand for Obama being a sexist. She comes across as a very strong woman. Now Miss Cindy, that another story. Why do all the republican wives look so submissive." "

Santo Fan wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:00 PM:

" The Matt Damon video is great! Palin's absurd rise from mayor to potential Veep is like a bad Disney movie. Classic....this lady has no business being on the republican ticket. Mayor Palin needs to stick to hunting moose, pretend selling air planes on ebay and destroying the environment. Bah ha ha ha I cannot wait until this little piggee with lipstick faces Biden in a debate. She is going down! "

The Cat wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:55 PM:

" Obummer probably didn’t start out to make a Palin slam statement but the effect on the crowd was the same showing another touch of Obummer stupidity. It’s ironic, though, that he is whining about the result of his gaff when he keeps trying to claim opponents are making veiled racist statements or claims of his being a islamist against him in comments that are a bigger stretch than his. "

Santo Fan wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:53 PM:

" The Rove-Palin ticket is about as trashy as the bathroom floor at your local strip club. Thank goodness Obama is standing up to this garbage. The Rove-Palin ticket is going to fall hard....Obama-Biden in a landslide. "

crazyhorse72 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:32 PM:

" Buckeye, maybe you ought to do a little less drinking and a little more thinking. "

crazyhorse72 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:31 PM:

" Maybe he should have said lipstick on an elephant and there wouldn't have been so many hurt feelings. "

Simple Simon wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:24 PM:

" Why would McCain choose palin to begin with? he's been criticized for voting with Bush too much, then he chooses a running mate that agrees with Bush MORE than he does? Maybe he chose her just to get the "Hilary Vote"?

If anyone actually read this article before commenting on it you would have seen that McCain used the exact same quote himself, nobody called him sexist. The McCain/Palin people are real good at pointing the finger but they don't want to accept any blame.

McCain also stole Obama campaign slogan of "Change". I can just see them sitting around teh table saying "this Obama guy is good, we should just do what he does instead of coming up with anything original."

The McCain ticket also refuses to talk about the issues, I have yet to hear one change that McCain wants to make to Bush's current economic policy, and if we need change in anything, it is that. I've said before i consider myself an independent, but the Republicans mseriously messed up by nominating McCain, and Mcain messed up appointing Palin. OBAMA in 08! "

johnd wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:10 PM:

" I think Obama should have said lip stick on Sarah just makes her look cheap.Because it does!Obama in 08 "

yakky_one wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:05 PM:

" How many Politicians tell the truth? These people will feed us a line of you know what just to get our votes, and then do nothing when they win...I vote for Gumby! Not really "

ES wrote on Sep 10, 2008 6:17 PM:

" What a load of nonsense from the McCain camp. How sad you Republicans are. "

dwarf wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:57 PM:

" So quick question to all the conservatives out there - When was it, exactly, that you came to the conclusion you've been wrong about Political Correctness for all these years?

Was it a gradual change? Or is it new, now that it's useful? I guess if you want to be the new word police and take over from the liberals, you can go right ahead, but I can't imagine crow tastes all that good. "

DT wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:50 PM:

" ktlin: It was a Clinton administration technique (probabaly from Carville) to accuse the opposition of exactly what you are doing. You learned it well as the big O. He accuses Reps of doing things that they haven't done but that he thinks they might and the accusation makes headlines. You repeat them. Sheesh, at least LOL doesn't attempt to say anything meaningful. You're smarter than that. Use your brain not what the DNC tells you. (NO! I am not a Republican and I enjoy Jon S, who at least labels what he does as fake new.) "

Annienap wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:47 PM:

" Whiney Obama is at it again. He just cannot take it, but sure can dish it out. This man is such liar and a flip flopper - he was totally against drilling; now he's for it - he was raised first by his grandparents and then by his mother, but his grandparents raised him (huh?) - he supported his preacher 100%, but then kicked him to the curb; he was poor, but flew to Kenya, how did he do that if he was so poor? - he has more experience than Palin; WHERE? all he did was finish law school. What has he ever completed except law school? NOTHING!! "

OGS wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:47 PM:

" Pot, kettle, black. "

Home Plate wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:41 PM:

" For all of you demos who think it was not sexist......I seem to recall that the last Democratic president that was in the White House had lipstick on something other than a pig. That was a proud moment for our county wasn't it???? "

Occam wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:37 PM:

" Hey Barry, if the MSM were to THOROUGHLY investigate your background with one/onehundredth the intensity they are against Palin, the DNC would throw you under the bus in a heartbeat. "

steve... wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:18 PM:

" Having paid attention to this election from the beginning I can definately say I have seen clips of Obama using this metaphor before Ms. Alaska was in the race. I think it is as much a part of his regular stump speech as are her regular references to selling a jet on e-bay, which she didn't do, or saying no to the bridge to no where, which she did after the pay day. So, lets all agree that they are all four liars and all four hypocrites. Neither the POW, the organizer, the blowhard, or madam nobody have what it is going to take to help America. If politics in this country keeps going the way it is we can be assured of second rate country status in about fifty years. We'll have a kick ass military though, United States of Sparta anybody? "

Pirate wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:13 PM:

" If he didn't know how it would be taken then he's not very smart. Following it was the old fish remark. Too much of a coincidence. "

Kevin wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:09 PM:

" OBAMA all the way Baby "

adonis wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:06 PM:

" He also said "spare me the phony talk about change". I guess only the annointed one is allowed to do that. "

ktlin wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:05 PM:

" cats55: Glad to hear that. For a moment I thought McCain's good qualities were all they heard. The problem I see is the framing that the channels do. Like they don't show the many times McCain has used that very same line. They make it seem like that is the first time anyone has used it and that Obama called Sarah a pig. Good thing we have some thinkers that go to the voting booth. At least I certainly hope we do. I would hate for someone to be elected because of lies and smears that they sent out. Anyone want to talk about the issues. Tune in Obama. McCain doesn't want to. "

buckeye wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:04 PM:

" The democrat party has done it again , nominating 2 people to there ticket that cant keep from putting there feet in there mouth. Obama insulting all women while Biden orders a crippled man to stand , all in one day. We tryed to play a drinking game where everyone takes a drink every time Obama Says UUUUU or but,but,but, while watching his interviews on Oberman and O rilley it seems you cant pour that fast , He says uuuuu between each word than uses the but,but, but to speak to both sides of an issue its not workin for him he sounds llame. We cant vote for a racest sexest socialist McCain - Palin gets my vote. "

3673 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:03 PM:

" I count 4 pro Barack Hussein Obama stories and 1 neutral story on the front page. Good work Pantagraph! "

T wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:02 PM:

" This is a non issue. The phrase has been ued by all politicians especially McCain. It's a common phrase. I'd suggest you McCain supporters along with his advisors stick to the issues and stop saying the same thing we have heard the last 8 years!!! Palin is a nobody and I'm not sure why we're having a big debate between the 2 VP's "

ktlin wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:01 PM:

" to gwife2: Not so fast. Rasmussen has Obama over McCain. I think their bounce is over. All bad things have to come to an end. What McCain is trying to do is despicable. He is using Palin and using Palin. Surely women aren't that dumb. Was he calling Hillary a pig when he said the same thing against her healthcare plan. Maybe he was. That is why he thinks Obama is doing it now. I really think the Sarah fatigue is setting in. I am into channel flipping. She comes on and the set goes off or the channel gets turned. I simply refuse to listen to their spewing and that speech. And I think after a while most of America will catch on. Okay so we have a woman candidate for vp. She is a governor from Alaska for petes sakes who tends to stretch the truth. And she has a downs syndrome baby and 4 other children. That a rock star does not make. Enough already. There is no there there. Who is running for president for the GOP? "

beachluvr wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:59 PM:

" I saw this man make that statement, and if you saw all of the ppl in the audience behind him, you would see how they reacted. They laughed and applauded. Anyone who say's that they didn't think he was poking a barb at Sarah Palin is most likely not telling the truth. I think it's time he wipe the crap away from the corners of his mouth.. NoOne is buying his attempt to "take back" what he did. He didn't think it would backfire on him like it did. In his statement of explaination, you can clearly see that he is reading from a cheat sheet. Probably words his "ppl" wrote for him to say, since they most likely didn't trust him to "just say it in his OWN words." The newest numbers show just how much his credibility has dropped. If I were a democrat, I'd be very embarressed to admit he was all our party had to offer to represent us. "

bushIQis6 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:57 PM:

" i don't get it. McCain used the same phrase against Hillary - why are members of his party charging him with being a sexist pig? Oh, yeah, John has thin skin. He's a cry baby. you'd think a guy who claims to have endured 5 years as a POW could stand handle a few words. "

Gov't oppressed Mule wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:52 PM:

" VOR2

Be careful on your statement "That's the pot calling the kettle black" before you are labeled as a racist. and thank you for your writing etiquette on the capital and small case M, I stand corrected and am shocked at myself for not catching this earlier.

DWARF:

Thanks, my bad. I retract that part of my statement, but maintain the rest.

PAUL J:

Well spoken. "

Super J wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:42 PM:

" Given that the "lipstick on a pitbull" soundbite has thusfar been this campaign's version of "Read my lips: no new taxes" or "You're no Jack Kennedy," I can't help but wonder if this wasn't a calculated wink-wink nudge-nudge move on Mr. Obama's part.

Regardless, this pettiness from both sides detracts from more serious conversations. Maybe that's the intended goal. "

Proud Conservative wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:27 PM:

" Libs only support feminist women when those women support liberal causes - especially abortion. When a strong, smart, successful woman's made it on her own - without any help from her husband - but doesn't belive in lib fantasies, they don't like women so much. "

cats55ire wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:24 PM:

" Politics at it's best - I know who I'm voting for so even if Mr. Obama changes his mind 20 MORE times, I'm still voting for McCain - Palin.

Media must really eat this up and continue shoving "Go Obama" lines to readers . . . whatever. "

Paul J wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:22 PM:

" "Lipstick on a Pig" is a commonly used metaphor that has been around for a LONG TIME, but more to the point, I think we can all agree that none of us are Barak Obama or John McCain, so none of KNOW what they really mean when they say something. It's all conjecture. We can make educated guesses, but lets at least admit that we are guessing. Its NAIVE to state that you know with any certainty what anyone else is thinking. Its also pretty darned NAIVE to think that everyone else is wrong, only you are right, that 'the other side of the aisle' is trying to dstroy the country, and to not allow yourself to be open to different perspectives and opinions. But I guess most of you out there in politics and in the blogosphere enjoy it. As a wise man once said 'Wake up!' "

gwife2 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:19 PM:

" ahhh...poor Obama binbiden is just upset b/c Mccain/Palin is leading in the polls. haa haa Go Mccain/Palin!!! "

dwarf wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:00 PM:

" So, VoiceOfReason2 - your contention is that the democratic party would be up in arms over the use of "lipstick on a pig" in any context? Oh yeah, I can remember the outrage over the clips mentioned in the article... wait, no. No, I can't, because it never happened.

And really - since when has the GOP been the stalwart defenders of political correctness? Have you all seen the light? "

TrueGrit wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:55 PM:

" Idiot. Nobama 08 "

Voice of Reason2 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:54 PM:

" Dwarf – Get serious. NObama knew exactly what he was saying and there is no doubt it was in direct reference to Palin. To think any differently is naïve.

He knew it would get headlines which is what his faltering campaign needs right now. Good or bad he needs headlines.

If this would have been said by a Republican they would have been crucified in the press and by all the feminists on the planet. Since “the messiah” (small m) said it he’ll get a pass by the brainwashed liberals.

Nobama has no chance and believe me the Clinton Machine will see to it in the end. Nobama winning would delay President Hillary for 8 years and she will never allow that to happen.

This is not the last ‘outrageous’ or ‘misunderstood’ thing Nobama will say because the liberal press eats it up. Watch. "

JMK wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:48 PM:

" I agree that this whole thing is silly... I don't think it was meant as sexist, I don't think McCain or Palin are really offended in any way (if they are, they need to get thicker skin... but they aren't, and she is hot). It is, however, sort of fun to watch Obama squirm a little bit... how many times has this same thing happened to a repub and the press and talking heads jump down his/her throat? "

TheLurch wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:47 PM:

" Obama should just stop worrying about the truth so much and tell the American people anything they want to hear so he can get elected. Who cares about the truth and honesty and saying what you mean. He should just lie and make things up, and give up everything he believes in so he can get elected........Oh hold it, yeah, we already have two of those kind in the White House...... and two more running against Obama. Oh well........guess he'll just have to stick to honesty. Too bad nobody votes for that! "

dwarf wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:38 PM:

" GOM - The speech wasn't about Palin. It was about McCain's economic policies. Seriously, look it up. "

dwarf wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:31 PM:

" In all seriousness, floyd - if you doubt the truth of the article, why not do a little digging yourself?

Look up Obama's speech. See if he was referencing Palin. Then, look up the other speeches, like McCain's, and see if the phrase was used in a sexist manner there, too.

I understand the Republican party is new at being the stalwart defenders of political correctness, but this is silly.

You have access to what is theoretically the most powerful tool for information that's ever existed. Use it! Find clips of the speech, find transcripts - whatever would help. Look at primary sources and see the truth. "

dwarf wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:26 PM:

" Are you serious, floyd?

Reporting on facts is - all of a sudden - bias? Since when should media shy away from exposing lies for what they are?

It's silly. "

Voice of Reason2 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:25 PM:

" Obama saying someone lied? That's the pot calling the kettle black. "

Simple Simon wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:24 PM:

" OBAMA in 08! "

Gov't oppressed Mule wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:24 PM:

" Hmmm... "It will take more than lipstick to pretty up this pig." In a speech talking about Sarah Palin....hmmm...still seems sexist to me, even after the "Messiah" says it ain't so. Oh well, guess the "messiah" is right, Sarah is a "pig" and comparable to "Pontius Pilate." At least the Pilate comparison is accurate as she is crucifying the "Messiah" in the polls :-) "

Cthulhu wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:21 PM:

" Barry the crybaby!!! Let me get you a binky, Obama. Maybe Biden can change your diaper. "

floyd wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:06 PM:

" Again the bias liberal press and the AP. No surprise here. "

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