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UPDATED 2:55 p.m. NEW YORK -- Financial markets uneasily awaited a Senate vote on the government’s banking sector bailout Wednesday, with stock prices fluctuating and credit markets still extremely tight. The Dow Jones industrials, down more than 200 points in early trading, recovered to show a moderate decline.

After stocks suffered a steep drop Monday and rebounded part-way Tuesday, investors were reluctant to make major moves before a Senate vote late Wednesday on a revised version of the plan defeated by the House. The new proposal includes tax breaks for businesses and the middle class and increases deposit insurance.

A disappointing economic report also weighed on the market. In its assessment of the manufacturing sector in September, the Institute for Supply Management revealed a troubling drop in new orders. The group’s overall index of manufacturing activity fell to 43.5 in September from 49.9 in August. Wall Street had expected a reading of 49.5, according to economists polled by Thomson/IFR.

“We’re now seeing in those numbers that we’re getting a contraction in economic activity,” said Jim Dunigan, managing executive of investments at PNC Wealth Management.

At this point in the credit crisis, weak economic numbers are coming as no surprise to Wall Street — but September’s numbers are expected to be particularly bleak because of the seizing up of the credit markets that occurred during the month. The reports are further reminders of how much pain is being felt in the economy, and the data are likely to motivate more investors to pull money out of stocks.

The greatest concern on the Street remains the stagnant credit markets.

“We’ve taken the credit markets for granted much like you do the electricity coming on every day but in this particular case the power grid is down,” said Dunigan. “If we don’t have a functioning credit market banks aren’t lending to each other — credit is dried up. That ultimately affects economic activity.”

Nervousness about debt has made banks hesitant to extend loans; banks have preferred to hold onto their cash. But some analysts and policymakers are worried that drop in lending will curtail economic growth. And the fear paralyzing the credit markets is making it more difficult and expensive for some companies to fund their day-to-day operations, putting basics like payroll at risk.

The London Interbank Offered Rate, or Libor, on overnight dollar loans dropped to 3.79 percent on Wednesday from Tuesday’s record 6.88 percent. Libor measures how much banks are charging one another to borrow. Many consumer lending rates, including about half of all U.S. adjustable-rate mortgages, are tied to Libor.

But overnight Libor remains well above the target Fed funds rate of 2 percent, showing that banks are still tending to hoard their cash rather than lend it.

Demand for the safety of government debt increased Wednesday. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which moves opposite its price, fell to 3.71 percent from 3.83 percent late Tuesday. The yield on the 3-month T-bill, the safest type of investment, fell to 0.83 percent from 0.88 percent late Tuesday. The decline in yields indicates that investors are willing to accept even modest returns to protect their money.

Midafternoon trading

Financial markets likely will remain nervous until voting on Capitol Hill is complete. In midafternoon trading, the Dow fell 55.27, or 0.51 percent, to 10,795.39. The blue chip index fell 778 points Monday, its steepest drop in years, after lawmakers rejected the bailout plan, then rallied 485 points Tuesday on hopes party leaders would find the votes to pass the measure.

Broader stock indicators were narrowly lower. The Standard & Poor’s 500 index fell 4.04, or 0.42 percent, to 1,159.80, and the Nasdaq composite index fell 27.03, or 1.30 percent, to 2,064.85.

Light, sweet crude fell $2.18 to $98.46 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange after the government reported a surprise increase in U.S. crude supplies. The dollar was mixed against other major currencies, while gold prices rose.

Charles Widger, chief executive of Brinker Capital, said the bailout would help restore faith in the U.S. financial system. Champions of the plan say it is necessary to absorb the soured mortgage and other bad debt from banks’ books as a way to restore faith in the credit markets, while detractors said the plan was too costly and risky.

“It will help to restore confidence and confidence is the No. 1 issue now,” he said.

The Commerce Department reported that construction activity remained unchanged in August even though spending for residential projects saw its first increase in 17 months, a welcome upturn amid the housing downturn. Wall Street had expected construction activity to decline 0.5 percent.

“You’ve got to believe that after this major disruption in the financing of the economy — the absence of cash for working capital — that it’s going to slow economic activity and that therefore we’re going to be in a recessionary environment,” Widger said.

In corporate news, Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc. unveiled a plan to buy $3 billion worth of General Electric Co. preferred shares, even as the diversified conglomerate is preparing to sell at least $12 billion worth of common stock to the public. The company’s stock fell 81 cents to $24.69 after the announcement was made.

Berkshire also received warrants to buy $3 billion worth of common shares at $22.25 each over five years. GE said that the Berkshire funds will boost its capital position and permit it to make opportunistic investments if they arise.

Declining issues outnumbered advancers by about 2 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange, where volume came to 432.3 million shares.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 7.15, or 1.05 percent, to 672.43.

Overseas, Japan’s Nikkei stock average rose 0.96 percent. Britain’s FTSE 100 rose 1.17 percent, Germany’s DAX index fell 0.42 percent, and France’s CAC-40 fell 0.56 percent.

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DaveII wrote on Sep 30, 2008 2:29 PM:

" Those that can not qualify today for a home, new flat screen, auto or some other "must have now" item, I say too bad. This thinking is exactly why the housing problem exists.

And, if small or any business needs a loan to make payroll...tough. Same for the banks. A good cleaning of the financial system is good for the future.

And, now these financial big brains are calling for an interest rate reduction. Just one more insult to main street. CD and Treasury rates are so low that grandma will never have much of a life, and we're next. "

johnd wrote on Sep 30, 2008 12:28 AM:

" When all the houses started poping up like weeds.Back when things were good during the Clinton years.I wondered how these people would ever pay for those Cookie Cutter houses.That was back before Republican gas prices and a war financed by China.Grandpa was right all these young people living in a new house will not last.You have to live in a old house and save most of your life for a new house.Property taxes should drop now that there only worth pennies on the dollar. "

USN RET wrote on Sep 29, 2008 9:47 PM:

" Greed: You got F's in school for lack of research didn't you. The Iraqis are already negotiating with China. Seems 3 Senators Schumer, Kerry and McCaskill( all Dems, by the way) requested that SecState Rice persuade the Iraqis to pass a Hydrocarbon control bill before negotiating contracts with oil companies. She refused, but the furor this caused in Iraq caused them to cancel negotiations with the multinational companies and start negotiating with China. "

USN RET wrote on Sep 29, 2008 9:33 PM:

" Greed: true a bill can't be fillibustered in the House, It was fillibustered in the Senate (S-190) by Dodd(D) who, if you noticed from my previous post had his hand deepest in Fannie's pocket. Frank and Waters just lent their support from the House "

USN RET wrote on Sep 29, 2008 9:23 PM:

" tnz If you had done your homework you would have seen that there is about a trillion dollars in subprime mortgages. Fannie and Freddie guaranteed them and sold them to Investment companies, like Bear Stearn, AIG then when the housing market started to drop with high fuel prices kicked in along with the interest payments increasing on the ARMs that make up the subprime market, people finally realized they couldn't afford their expensive houses and the foreclosures kicked in, causing all those morgage securities to head for the outhouse basement. Thus, all those banks and investment companies are heading to the same location. "

greed wrote on Sep 29, 2008 8:01 PM:

" USNRET, there are no filibusters in The House Of Representatives. Only in The Senate. Stop getting your data from Rush. He is a liar. In 2004 Republicans controlled everything. This is a Republican Scandal because they care more about party loyalty than they do about our country. They wrap themselves in the flag and screw the country. Bush inherited 3 balanced budgets in a row from Clinton. He promptly fixed that problem with overspending, tax cuts for his rich friends, (they weren't exactly starving under Clinton), and starting two unnecessary (unwinnable) wars. Soon Iraq will kick us out, cancel the sweetheart deals with American Oil Companies, and France, Russia, and China will develop their oil. Afghanistan will last a couple more years, until someone figures out that Russia was right next door and couldn't get a handle on it in the 80s. What could throw a monkey wrench in Afghanistan is for Russia to supply sophisticated arms to The Taliban, like Reagan did to them. Both "W" and his dad were lousy Presidents. I'm glad I could see what a phony Bush was, and didn't vote for him. "

mdorf4 wrote on Sep 29, 2008 7:41 PM:

" Why are both candidates in favor of the bailout?
Because it is what is best for our country. They know that, and want credit for fixing the economy while they're in office. This is despite the fact that the majority of "us" don't want it, because "we" are shortsighted and think this is about the financial institutions and not the economy as a whole. "

tatbtime wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:46 PM:

" stock up, were gonna need it before this mess is over. Can you say depression? "

tripper wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:45 PM:

" I will probably feel bad for this at a later date. But I must admit right now I feel OK.

Corrections and adjustments...Those are a part of life.

Financial institutions that go to far and go under...That is a part of life.

Speculators who speculate the markets and then lose money...That thrills me to no end.

Housing prices that went crazy and are now coming back down to earth...That is a part of life. "

tnz650 wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:40 PM:

" USN RET - If YOU had done YOUR homework, you would realize that it would take just a little over 100 billion dollars for the government to buy up all sub-prime mortgages that are currently in foreclosure or 90 days late. That leaves 600 billion dollars in this supposed bail out package left out of your accounting homework. While the Sub Prime implosion was the catylist, it is only a small part of a much bigger Investment Banking scandal. The Credit Default Swaps that brought down the mighty Investment Banks and the largest insurance company in the world have allot more than sub-prime tranches on their books (that you can't look at BTW.) It's the creative financial instruments like derivatives and CDO's that Paulsen was helping to create when he was CEO of Goldman Sachs, that has more to do with the crisis going on now than the Fannie/Freddie fiasco does. Who was AIG's largest In-vestment Bank partner? YOU'VE got more homework to do. "

802 wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:36 PM:

" temp and USN RET hit the nail right on the head. Way to go!!! "

Admiral wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:32 PM:

" Too bad Pelosi couldn't keep from spewing her typical venom minutes before the big vote. I heard her rant and at first I thought it was a speech she gave after the vote failed, but to discover she did this before the vote confirms my suspicion that she intended to sink this thing all along and blame it on the conservatives. The real pity is that along with this she also failed to rein in just 11 more democrats (of the 95 who also voted no!). Why isn't the media picking that simple math up? Don't point to the sharply divided Republicans as the only blame for this; the Dems were right there with them in dissent. Why? These people were listening to their fuming mad constituencies who did not want their tax dollars bailing out criminals. "

BNHuman wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:32 PM:

" WOW. This bail out must have been really bad is the Dems couldn't even get their own party to vote in favor of it. "

airhead wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:31 PM:

" to USN ret: As some said, because of their hurt feelings, they thought they would make the country pay for it? Is that putting country first or themselves first? This is a Republican bill that didn't pass because of the Republicans and one of the biggest glaring losers in the whole mess is McCain who suspended his campaign to go to Washington to do nothing and to accomplish nothing. Now he says it isn't time to place blame. A few hours earlier wasn't he blaming Obama for stuff? Does he have a slight memory problem or what? This, as does everything he touches, has just made him look like the village idiot. Again. "

tnz650 wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:18 PM:

" First of all, for those blaming the Democrats (The other Dave): Dem Yes 140 Rep Yes 65, Dem No 95 Rep No 133. So quit being stupid. Blaming the dow being down because of the Democrats is as stupid as this argument by Republicans that if Nancy Pelosi hadn't given a scathing speech denouncing Bush and his policies, more Republicans would have voted for the bail out. That has to be your most pathetic, asinine argument to date. And "noogie" if you think that this whole mess only has to do with people getting sub-prime mortgages they couldn't afford, then you have no idea what's really going on. Re-hashing Phil Graham's ridiculous argument that we're a nation of whiner’s only plays into hands of the elites that are robbing us blind, no matter how well you live within your means. Or do you think that you are the only one who does that? "

T wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:13 PM:

" You won't think so when you loose your job and have no way to support your family. It's obvious you have no clue about what is going on "

Jarhead71 wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:09 PM:

" Don't anyone think for a minute that this is the end of this. They will reword the bailout call it a buy in and resubmit it to the Congress again and again until it is approved. "

temp wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:06 PM:

" I am glad the bailout failed. As a mortgage holder who has behaved appropriately and paid the bills, I don't think I should be required to pay for the mistakes of others - or the heads of these banks. Let capitalism reign, you screwed up, you pay - if that means a few of these broker houses and speculators get burned - good riddance. Those that did the right thing and didn't participate will be stronger for it and will fill the need. "

USN RET wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:05 PM:

" greed: If you had bothered to do your homework before spouting the Dem talking points, you would know this started with the Community Reinvestment Act signed by Pres Clinton(D). This essentially told Fannie and Freddie to back loans based on diversity rather than ability to pay(sub-prime mortgages). Forward to 2004, bi- partisan attempts to put the brakes on sub-prime halted by fillibuster led by Rep Barney Franks(D) and Maxine Waters(D). Also the top receivers of campaign donations from Freddie and Fannie employees were 1 Dodd(D) 2 Kerry(D) 3 Obama(D) 4 Clinton H(D). Notice a recurring theme here greed? "

airhead wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:02 PM:

" to the other Dave: correction. It was a REpublican bill by Bush who is a Republican remember. The demos did their part. And McCain did his. Oh I guess he didn't. He was out on the trail denigrating Obama so it is Obamas fault and he was bragging what he had done squinting and laughing as usual. He wasn't laughing quite as much when he found it didn't pass. In fact he was - silent.And Obama's one vote really counts. Oops but he was in the Senate and they haven't voted yet. Oh I guess it was just McCain running off the mouth losing his gamble again. I can hardly wait to see Act 2 and 3. McCain will parachute in again. Will he suspend his campaign this time. We will have to see that edition I guess. McCain is such a loser. "

Annienap wrote on Sep 29, 2008 3:52 PM:

" I find it STRANGE that this just 'happened' to come to light when Congress would be recessing. How long was this known? Seems to me like the Treasury was hanging onto it with the hope that it would sail through because Congress would be recessing. I don't trust or have faith in this government and haven't had for many years. Everything has become political and NOT for the good of taxpayers. I am voting in November, but I will still have NO faith in this government unless ALL of Washington, D.C. is CLEANED OUT. "

Sweetcheeks wrote on Sep 29, 2008 3:49 PM:

" I also am glad this failed. I dont want to pay the rich man for his stupidity. They made did the damage to themselves now they can get out it themselves. "

Buckeye wrote on Sep 29, 2008 3:37 PM:

" What a great thing congress did today &00 billion saved is 700 billion earned Ben Franklin. "

Scapegoat wrote on Sep 29, 2008 3:19 PM:

" I'm against government bailing out private businesses that overextended themselves in such a disgusting fashion, but I'll freely admit that I'm terrified of the potential fallout. That's especially true considering a recent BusinessWeek article in which B/N was rated #2 on a list of "towns that will be hardest hit" in this faltering economy.

I guess I never really considered that the nature of this particular economic downturn would hit so close to home in our job market, a market in which ~26.31% revolve around finance, insurance, and real estate. "

greed wrote on Sep 29, 2008 3:03 PM:

" This is a Republican Scandal, just as it was in 1929, matter of fact all financial disasters since 1873 have happened with Republicans controlling the country. You can't really blame Congress. Bush has lied so much he has no credibility left. Even his own party don't trust him or his cronies. As for blaming Dems, they didn't start two unnecessary wars and pay for them with printed money (off budget). Dems didn't cut taxes for their rich friends, at a time when there was a balanced budget. Dems didn't send $36 billion in $100 bills shrink wrapped on pallets to Iraq after the illegal invasion, $20 billion of which disappeared. "

dwarf wrote on Sep 29, 2008 3:01 PM:

" So, just to check here - all McCain's talk about how he helped get this legislation through, all this talk about reaching across the aisle, and how he championed this legislation...

Well, he couldn't get the support of his own party.

That's kinda sad. At least the Dems voted 60% in favor. "

The other Dave wrote on Sep 29, 2008 2:56 PM:

" My concern is more recent that the Gramm bill. In 2004, a bi-partisan group wanted more regulations on Freddy and Fannie. But it was torpedo'ed by a small group of partisan leaders threatening Filibuster. Now they small group is being more partisan than anyone (even myself) and blame everything on Bush and the Republicans. The news is eating that up for some reason.

Frank, Doud, Pelosi, Durban, Waters, OBama and Schumar are putting their own party and patronage before any of the interests of the country. If we could have had a good, honest discussion of this problem in the house and senate, we would have a solution that helps the country already. But these idiots are too busy protecting their empires to stop and try to help the country. And yes, I suspect there are republican leaders being partisan too. But the media does not talk to them so we have no idea what they are doing.

At this point, I hope you have a strong cash position. Because anything else will lose a lot of money. Good luck everyone. "

Gov't oppressed Mule wrote on Sep 29, 2008 2:53 PM:

" MEH:

EXACTLY!!! Things may get bad for a while, but in the long run we will be better off. "

BJR wrote on Sep 29, 2008 2:52 PM:

" I am glad it failed. Let the dow drop a few. It will come back and without $700 billion in taxpayer debt. As far as whom to blame. There is plenty to go around, but Pelosi should have kept quiet today. Her little rah-rah speech before the vote might have been the biggest blunder. "

gwife2 wrote on Sep 29, 2008 2:41 PM:

" the other dave is right. The Dems had a chance to push this through but instead 94 dems voted Nay. "

usn RET wrote on Sep 29, 2008 2:41 PM:

" It might have passed if Pelosi hadn't opened her big mouth before the vote saying it was all Bush's fault. There is plenty of blame all around. The next issue taken up by the House should be a vote of no confidence in their Speaker. "

dwarf wrote on Sep 29, 2008 2:29 PM:

" Oh, Other Dave...

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

Think about this, if you're able to. This is a bill proposed by a Republican president, authored by a Republican treasury secretary, modified by both Democrats *and* Republicans in congress, supported by both parties in the Senate, accepted by the President and Treasury secretary post-revision... and only voted for by 60% dem / 30% rep in the House. I can't recall a more bipartisan bill in recent history.

Let me guess - you use the reverse of your current logic when trying to explain how the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act was all Clinton's fault, and not even remotely the Republican congress's. No matter what happens, blame the Democrats, right? "

Meh wrote on Sep 29, 2008 2:21 PM:

" Good news! Let the banks fail. There will be a correction but we're better off for it. We don't need $700 billion+ of new debt. "

The other Dave wrote on Sep 29, 2008 2:17 PM:

" Dwarf, in the current congress, bi-partisan means doing what the democrats want with no changes. But the democrats cannot bring anything up without their partisan lies.

By the way, most of Congress tried to put additional rules and standards in place for Fannie Mae and Freddy Mae in 2004. But certain high power members of congress did not want any of it. The main voices against any additional regulations were Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters and Chuck Shumer. Not partisan, just fact based on the congressional record from 2004. "

Quazy wrote on Sep 29, 2008 2:06 PM:

" To Dogfish...Too easy to blame all that on the President. They will not do anything until after the election to try and show that the White House needed a Democrat. (If Obama wins). They must think the American people are stupid... "

dwarf wrote on Sep 29, 2008 2:05 PM:

" This was a bipartisan bill, with compromises and changes made by both parties. It's insane to play pin-the-tail-on-the-(donkey/elephant) with this one.

All I can say is - start stocking up on canned goods! "

noogie wrote on Sep 29, 2008 1:53 PM:

" Don't blame the Republicans or Democrats. There's plenty of blame to go around, Wall Street, Bush, Clinton, Congress, and you, yes you. By you I mean all of you out there who live beyond your means. Just because a bank told you on paper you could afford that house, doesn't mean you really can. The home equity loan you got to buy that new furniture or pay off that credit card when you house went up in price, dumb. Shouldn't have done that. Again, if America would live within their means, we wouldn't be here. I hope this doesn't pass, we all brought this on ourselves, now we have to pay for it. Paying for something, a concept many in the country don't get. Nobody held a gun to anyone's head to get that mortgage, you got it, now accept the consequences. "

Rivers wrote on Sep 29, 2008 1:52 PM:

" Someone on the hill just wanted the bottom to drop out so they could sweep in and buy something up. If you knew the bill wasn't going to pass, you would be ready for the plummet of all plummets. Insider trading to be sure, but what's the SEC going to do? What does it do anyway? "

The other Dave wrote on Sep 29, 2008 1:51 PM:

" To Dogfish, Daft, No. Just listening to the press. Pelosi, Frank and the other Democratic leaders had a deal on Friday, Saturday, Sunday and earlier today. Each day we see their smiling mugs proclaiming that THEY have a fix for all of our problems.

However, they cannot get it passed in a congress where they have enough votes to ram it through. They are making this problem into a political situation, as they always do. They want what is best for their party, not their country. "

illini boy wrote on Sep 29, 2008 1:29 PM:

" Dems talked big about how they were going to change everything the very first 90 days they took control of the house she said. Well she remodeled the cafeteria and since they came in two years ago gas went up, stocks have gone down, banks have failed, foreclosures are up, housing market is in a slump and on and on. Things were humming along pretty well until two years ago when the dems took control of congress. "

Dogfish wrote on Sep 29, 2008 1:28 PM:

" To "The Other Dave" Are your Daft. This is not a "Democrat" bill. I seem to recall it was Secretary Paulson's request. Last I checked he is a Republican in a Republican Administration. Get with it or get out!!! "

Dave wrote on Sep 29, 2008 1:14 PM:

" Jerry Weller was the only person who didn't vote.
On the other hand, the right thing was done in congress today.
Let the dodo hit the fan. We will all be better in the end. "

The other Dave wrote on Sep 29, 2008 1:08 PM:

" Democrats cannot pass their own bill. Thanks a lot. The DOW is down huge because of the democrats. "

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