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illini-dog wrote on Oct 17, 2008 1:34 PM:

" Doublethink; No where in my post did i say that obama was elected as a ''editor'' did I? Now if your implying that the only reason he got there was thru affirmative action thats up to debate but like i said he wasn't elected president by that way my friend. "

doublethink wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:29 PM:

" illini dog, my friend, did you say that one gets to be "a editor" by an election and not thru grades? "

illini-dog wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:11 PM:

" Doublethink; Obama was a ''editor'' like 80 others his first year at HLR and then was elected president his second year. I don't think he was elected president by affirmative action my friend . "

doublethink wrote on Oct 16, 2008 4:18 PM:

" LETS BE REASONABLE, wasn't Barrach the EDITOR, not just a "member" of HLR????
Does one get that position by grades my friend???
Are YOU Kidding???? This Bozo is running for Pres. (did ya know that lbr?), and you followers brag about his genius...........lets see some proof, what's the big deal, huh?
If he got ahead in school because of his race, who cares, just let the people know. "

doublethink wrote on Oct 16, 2008 4:06 PM:

" let's be reasonable.......wasn't he the EDITOR "

let's be reasonable wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:12 PM:

" "won't release his college grades or SAT..."

Are you kidding. Grades are very confidential not subject to public disclosure. Being a member of the Harvard Law Review is not enough?! "

doublethink wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:13 PM:

" How can anyone talk about Palin's smarts when the Messiah( AKA Robin Hood) won't release his college grades or SAT scores. Maybe we'd find out that he isn't as "smart" as his followers constantly repeat, and that he got into Harvard via Affirmative Action. "

4_nubbs wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:52 AM:

" What about Palin's best moments in pointing out Biden's own charges against Obama that he made in the Democrat primaries? What about Biden being tripped up concerning his role in the lead up and vote to allow for the use of force that prompted the 'Say it Isn't So Joe' tag line?
As for her dodging the question of Deregulation, the question was rigged as it was Biden's talking point and charge against McCain that was then turned into the lead in question posed to Palin. The moderator simply followed Biden's lead in storyline. That is why she stated that she wasn't going to answer the questions 'that either the moderator or you want to hear'. Because it was an ambush question.
Another point is that Biden was praised as having a grasp on the issues. That Palin didn't spell out McCain's plans. When did Biden? "

arete wrote on Oct 14, 2008 5:36 PM:

" Palin exceeded my expectations. She's dumber than I thought possible. "

91241 wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:42 PM:

" Thos. Spence! Please!! Your embarassing other Spences" "

ThosSpence wrote on Oct 9, 2008 2:48 PM:

" Palin talked like a hick and didn't wet herself. Thus, she clearly won the debate. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:28 AM:

" Palin is an intellectual nitwit. The republican party is to utterly stupid for nominating her that the party deserves her as it goes down to a landslide defeat nationally at all levels. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Oct 9, 2008 2:09 AM:

" In retrospect, the 2008 election will mark the death of the republican party as we know it much as the Whig party declined in the 19th century. The party is void of any moral leadership as witnessed by the decisions of the Bush presidency, virtually all of which have been a disaster. This is accented by the misinformation spread by the McNut/Palin ticket of which a prime example is misrepresenting the bill Senator Obama supported which promoted protection against child predators. The republican party has lost any sense of really helping American citizens. Nominating an intellectual nitwit such as Palin is really what the party deserves as it fades into political obscurity. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:42 PM:

" The ONLY way McCain can win is to dump Palin off the ticket (she can say she needs to be with her family, etc.) and put Mitt back on the ticket. I bet McNut is kicking himself now for not picking Mitt. His pre-presidential judgement is about as good as his piloting skills (note he crashed a bunch of planes). "

Patriot wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:52 AM:

" Why didn't Palin wear a bikini during the debate? That way at least we would have something to look at even though we had nothing to listen to. These debates don't even ask the right questions. "

excuseme wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:27 PM:

" Follow the Crap...sounds like your last post was BUSH to a TEE! You've learned well. Keep listening to Carl Rove and the boys. "

let's be reasonable wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:51 PM:

" "RMH: Honestly, the biggest mistake McCain has made was the selection of Palin. If he had chosen Romney, they would be leading in Michigan, PA, Colorado, Ohio and Florida. As it stands, they are trailing in all five. "

So true. By picking Gov. Palin, McCain showed his judgement to be what it is: VERY POOR. Not someone we want making important decisions or near the nuclear button. "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:36 PM:

" Let's see - You asked what I was looking for then? Well how about a women with a heart, brains and strength. Palin is tough, I'll give her that...and that is it. I could care less if she talks like a man, a woman or a politician. It's her stance on issues like abortion and gay marriage that I can't stand. I have to wonder if she would be for or against the Civil Right's movement if we could go back to that time...I'm thinking the latter. Anyone who thinks the goverment should dictate who we can marry and what we can do with our own bodies should not be in control of our country. We've worked too hard for PROGRESSION! "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:25 PM:

" lets see - Oprah, Angelina Jolie. How's that for two examples? One has more foreign policy than Obama & Palin and the other is just powerful and rich. (I hope you know I'm being sarcastic). Like I said I am not that "politically educated". There are many women that are senators, mayors and govenors that would make excellent VP's or even President but the fact is...I don't know of them. I'm proud to be a women and know that a women could run this country just as well (if not better) than a man but I don't study politics; meaning I don't know the names of all these qualified women but if I took to the time to research them, I'm sure I could find plenty. Heck I didn't even know that Palin was the governor of Alaska until she was called upon by McCain. Call me dumb if you like but I am not a politcal enthusiast and really have no desire to be... "

RealityCheck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:31 AM:

" I am Squidward - I had to laugh when I read your post. "Used Car Salesman" is the EXACT phrase that came to mind during Biden's closing statement when he said, "Look folks..." blecch! I was enjoying the debate until that moment.

As far as truths, half-truths, and overall debating, I thought they came out equally. However, on personality and sincerity, I thought Palin won hands down.

We all see what we want to see based on our political leanings. "

I am Squidward wrote on Oct 6, 2008 5:52 AM:

" At least she didn't LIE like your cheesy, face-lifted, used car salesman. (Oh, no Gwen, Barak NEVER said he'd sit right down with leaders of terrorist nations with no pre-conditions.) UUUMMMM, Ja, he did. "

Woody wrote on Oct 5, 2008 9:31 PM:

" RMH, you must be a Democrat if you want Palin at the top of the ticket. Because putting her at the top would guarantee an Obama win.

Santo Fan, you hit the nail on the head. Picking Palin was the first is a series of blunders by McCain. Romney would have been a much better choice. Even Huckabee would have been a better choice.

After Palin's pathetic performance in the VP debate, I think more and more independents are going to move toward Obama. Biden wasn't flashy, but he came across as competent and very knowledgeable. He isn't the kind of guy who will inspire people enough to make him president. But he is exactly the kind of guy that you want in case something happens to the president.

On the other hand, Palin was obviously doing her best to avoid answering the questions that she was asked. That made her come across as phony and shallow. If she can't even answer the debate questions, she is NOT the kind of person that you want a heartbeat away from the Oval Office. "

Santo Fan wrote on Oct 5, 2008 6:38 PM:

" RMH: Honestly, the biggest mistake McCain has made was the selection of Palin. If he had chosen Romney, they would be leading in Michigan, PA, Colorado, Ohio and Florida. As it stands, they are trailing in all five. "

RMH wrote on Oct 5, 2008 11:59 AM:

" to "let's see"... Yes, I'd rather the ticket was Palin-McCain. McCain is making too many campaign mistakes. "

let's see wrote on Oct 5, 2008 6:04 AM:

" to abramj: NO on your new ticket idea. We don't want Obama period. "

abramj wrote on Oct 5, 2008 1:12 AM:

" Looks like everyone agrees that Palin won. Hard to believe. How about an Obama-Palin ticket?

"Real haters don't even like family values." "

let's see wrote on Oct 4, 2008 5:21 PM:

" to RMH -- Sarah says she disagrees with McCain over MI, and she's going there. I think smart of her! "

Santo Fan wrote on Oct 4, 2008 4:19 PM:

" Intelligent? Articulate? Palin? This pretend land that republicants live in....sure does seem strange. Palin, in responding to a critical component of this year's Presidential election (the bailout for you single brain cell republicants) could not even muster a coherent response. She has absolutely nothing to offer, yet you blindly led sheep are willing to follow her and McCain into deeper national debt, more economic downturns, more carelessly managed wars....why? Because in your sick world, party is more important than country. Meanwhile, the rest of us that subscribe to this silly old thing called reality, will help you all out by voting Obama-Biden into office. You betcha, Obama-Biden in a land slide. "

RMH wrote on Oct 4, 2008 3:55 PM:

" Biden is simply a non-factor. He got 1% in Iowa and dropped out. What a dud. Palin's gains are Obama's losses. McCain had better keep Palin front-and-center for the next 4 weeks, if he has any sense -- which I am beginning to doubt (bailout support and puling out of MI -ugh!). Anyone who doesn't at least like Palin in some way is already one of Obama's zombies. At the upcoming Obama-McCain debate on Tuesday, if Palin showed-up instead of McCain, I'll bet Obama would wet himself! "

let's see wrote on Oct 4, 2008 2:26 PM:

" to cocoa: If lindini used her grey matter quite well to come up with a response, so did Sarah Palin! Snort away! "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 4, 2008 1:56 PM:

" Here’s the real danger.

Congress is going to go hard left in the next election. Congress is the group of con artists that will tax the crap out of you, create more entitlements, allow Congress to pass-out more pork and spend your money like a battleship full of drunken sailors.

If Obama is the President, he won’t be an instrument of balance against the legislative branch of government. He will love the idea of stealing more of your money and giving it to other people of their choosing.

Today, his most important job is to be Commander in Chief.

He will have to make hard decisions that effect millions of lives. He hasn’t shown any desire to make a hard choice and hasn’t made any hard choices.

He has shown himself to be totally naive about foreign policy and how he will deal with dangerous leaders of other countries.

Can you imagine Obama being a hard liner with Putin, Ahmadinejad, or China?

They will eat him for breakfast. That is very scary. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 4, 2008 1:56 PM:

" FISA? Totally against it before he was for it.

Supported his pastor Rev. Wright? Before he said he can’t.

Wearing an American flag pin? Didn’t care, before he decided that he would, sometimes.

And on and on.

He will say what he thinks you want to hear.

He said he would be an outsider, brave, and hopeful, never change his positions for political gain, never kiss up to special interest groups, or be in debt to the “beltway intelligentsia”.

Here is a great self defense tip…

Don’t believe he will do anything to keep you safe.

If you care about your family, your home, your security, and the future of America you will not vote for this Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing. He is like Svengali

I know many of you think he is the second coming and will make a real difference by changing the ‘old’ ways and bringing a bright, shiny new government.

Some believe he will bring an Utopia and the world will love us again. The ‘Rich’ will be punished for their success and their money will be given to you.

Snap Out Of It. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 4, 2008 1:54 PM:

" You hear Obama say that he liked the higher gas prices, but he wished it went up a little more gradual. You now clearly think that is like saying “I like getting violated in the posterior, but I wish you would take a little more time about it.

You suddenly recognize all the FLIPS this guy makes:
Special Interests? Union money bad for Edwards and Clinton.. Good for Obama

Public financing? He was for it before he was against it.

Cuba Embargo? He was for it before he was against it.

Illegal Immigration? Opposed to cracking down on employers before he was for cracking down on employers.

Decriminalization of marijuana? For it before he was against it.

Enforcing the Second Amendment? Against it before he was for it. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 4, 2008 1:54 PM:

" You now realize that the only “change” that Obama brings is a change back to the Socialism Express Lane. And that will happen no matter who the Dem’s put in office. (You remember that Congress passes the laws about taxes, says how much money the military can spend, and is the ones to declare war… Not the President.)

You will wonder why someone with a black father and a Caucasian mother is called “black.”

You suddenly wonder how Obama is going to unite the country when he has no experience or track record of uniting anything. You look at his advisers and see people who have worked their whole lives to do just the opposite.

You see that Obama is the record holder for amassing donations to his campaign. Which qualifies him to be the Blue Ribbon Winner, so far, at taking other peoples money for his own personal gain without providing anything of value in return. Just “Hope.” "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 4, 2008 1:53 PM:

" WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!

“Snap out of it. You are being hypnotized into acting like a bobble headed zombie.”

“When I count to 3 and snap my fingers, you will wake clear headed, refreshed, and remember everything you ever learned about politics, economics, history, and defending your country.”

One. Two. Three. “SNAP!”

There, don’t you feel better? Don’t worry about acting like a blooming idiot, lots of otherwise sane people are falling for this slick Svengali. The damage can still be undone.

You now see clearly that Obama is lining up all the old Clintonistas that Korea suckered into giving them nuclear technology, that ignored Osama’s terrorism threats, that raised taxes a record amount, that reduced the size and might of the military, and think every problem can be solved if we have enough lawyers. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 4, 2008 1:51 PM:

" You will rejoice when I encourage higher gas prices… it is for your best interest that I do this.

In the wink of an eye, I can change positions to anything you like. I make the Clintons and John Kerry seem like Rocks of Consistency. This will feel like a good thing.

When ever you hear me talk, a tingle will go up you leg… at least.

Anytime someone dares to point out how weak my credentials are, or how my opinions seem to change with the wind, or criticize me even the least little bit, you will call them a racist. This will make you feel superior.

You feel sure that my soothing voice and the amazing power of my niceness will win over all murderous dictators who want to destroy you and your family and see America on her knees. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 4, 2008 1:51 PM:

" OMG! I was hypnotized.

B. Hussein Obama is running a hypnotism act on the public.

Shhh, the act is about to start.

(Soothing voice of B. Hussein Obama)

You will hear only my voice….

You are very sleepy and don’t want to think about politics anymore…

Your common sense has been hammered during this looong political campaign and it wants to take a little nap…. let it go…

Now listen to my voice carefully….

The old way is baaaad…

I will make everything gooood…

My new, changed government will take care of your tiniest need… for freeeeee…

You will see me as the first black president, and ignore that I am half Caucasian.
If you are black, you will rejoice at the coming smack down of whitey. If you are white, you will feel guilty if you don’t vote for me.

You will see me as a uniter and a beacon of Hope and ignore the fact that my mentors and influential friends hate America, and white people in particular. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 4, 2008 11:36 AM:

" JimmyChooGirl

You must be blind! I never seen Obama look into anyone's eyes. He was busy looking down at his notes. The only time he looked at McCain was when McCain was talking. When Obama talked he looked every direction but at McCain.

And Obama will bring change alright, but it ain't the change you have been hypnotzed into believing it will be. But if you are very poor I guess it won't matter to you anyway since you are probably use to being taken care of by the government!

After Obama is elected you will be in for the worst crisis in the history of America! You people are to blind to see what Obama is really about and it ain't the change he is telling you! Wake up people and take the blinders off before you live to regret the biggest mistake of your lives! "

cocoa wrote on Oct 4, 2008 11:32 AM:

" lindini - If I'd been drinking my coffee when I read your post, I would have snorted it out my nose from laughing so hard! You hit the nail on the head.

As a woman, I was pleased to see Palin selected. But listening to her and watching her winking and "gee golly-ing" made my stomach turn. It's an insult for anyone to think Palin will pull in more women voters just because she's a woman. Unfortunately, that's the Kool-Aid several of my female co-workers have started drinking because they are so enamored by the idea of a woman VP.

let's see - Please explain to me how lindini's evasive and sarcastic answer was any different from how Palin answered hard topic questions during the debate? Half dozen of one, 6 of the other, from what I can see. Lindini used her grey matter quite well in coming up with her response.

I've voted both Dem and Rep in presidential elections, and I'm registered as a Republican and have been for the last 8-9 years. I do not plan to vote for McCain BECAUSE of Palin. "

let's see wrote on Oct 4, 2008 2:21 AM:

" to lindini -- You're the great American complainer. Even when asked a direct question, you have to go into keyboard sarcasism because it's easier to poke fun than use your grey matter! My guess is you don't really have an answer because one is not rising from your keyboard. "

let's see wrote on Oct 4, 2008 2:19 AM:

" I don't see the all the duddiness about Palin. We talk about how we want different, but we want different that is the same! You've got to talk like Washington; you've got to dance like Washington. The idea that one came to Washington to do a job for their state, got it done, and went back with a sense of accomplishment is so lost in our current political regime. That's what people used to do -- and EVERYONE had a chance to make a difference for the US to be a better place. It wasn't designed to be a career. Palin has the highest approval rating of any governor, but she's not good enough to go past that? I don't understand that thinking, and I never have. "

let's see wrote on Oct 4, 2008 2:16 AM:

" JimmyChooGirl -- If you can't find another woman because you're not politically educated, then I would ask 'what exactly are you looking for?' There's plenty of women; afterall, women out number men in America, and you're saying you can't find one? You can't even think of ONE? (By the way, that's basically what Obama said too!) When I hear people say they don't know EVEN a single woman for the job, that's a push-down move to me and I don't class myself as a feminist. But a woman does not have to be a man to get her job accomplished. She doesn't have to have man lingo.

It's like here's a woman, and it's not me, so here are all the faults. And I know them when I see them! "

workingclasshero wrote on Oct 3, 2008 5:39 PM:

" we did shots everytime we heard maverick. "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:44 PM:

" lindini - *L* Your last comment is awesome! haha. And I know exactly what you mean. Letsee - I can't speak for linidini but I cannot think of another woman who would be a good VP choice because I am not that politically educated but I know a dud when I see one. : ) Give me the weekend and I'll find ya a good female VP candidate, k?

lindini - When she said "hockey moms" I about died. I'm not dissing hockey but come on, it's not a traditional American sport...well yeah it is...in ALASKA!

Squid - Really? You think the rich will stop the rich? Good luck with that. Have a great weekend! "

JimmyChooGirl wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:43 PM:

" Obama will bring change. McCain will bring the same
Biden will bring the same. Palin will bring change.
Obama is running for President. Pail is running for VP.
Biden has a lot of experience. Palin does not
McCain has a lot of experience. Obama does not
McCain, Biden and Palin all looked at the moderator and into the cameras..
Obama looked into the eyes of the person he was debating...

Blah Blah Blah! Each candidate, each party has it's pros and cons. Those of you (most of you) that just blast the other side must be oblivious to this fact. Support your candidate / party but don't be naive to reality and the issues at hand. "

lindini wrote on Oct 3, 2008 2:23 PM:

" Aw shucks guys, a middle class gal like me from right here in Bloomington Illinois, well, I'd love to answer the questions you asked but I'm just not going to play your partisan politics as usual game! No sir, what I'd like to talk about is how pretty my garden is. Me and my husband, we love to sit around our kitchen table and talk about it. You see, I'm an expert on my garden. I've spent weeks working on it, people have come by, gave me tips on it and everything'! Golly gee, I think I have the best garden ever and because I can tell you all about it, and well, that clearly means I've probably got some really super dooper answers to any questions you might ask me but gosh darn it I'm too much of a maverick to fall for your slippery debates tricks and actually answer them! (wink!!)

I mean, I could answer your questions with substance and give you a chance to rebut with facts and intellectual debate but clearly that doesn't matter anymore. Babies! Puppies! Hockey! Jebus! YAY!! "

thoughts a million wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:50 PM:

" In the spirit of bi-partisanship, here's some screw-ups on Biden's behalf:
--Biden said McCain voted "the exact same way" as Obama on troop funding. In reality, although McCain opposed a funding bill that included timelines for withdrawal, and urged the eventual veto, he didn't actually show up to vote on it.
--Biden said that McCain said he wouldn't even sit down with the government of Spain. FactCheck's defense of McCain is that he didn't say he wouldn't, just that he wouldn't commit to doing it. They also said that McCain probably didn't understand the question.
--Biden said his "clean coal" line was taken out of context. In fact, his statement just didn't make sense, and his record shows clear support for clean coal.
--Biden misstated Iraqi surplus as $80 million instead of $79 million.
--Biden misstated the number of times McCain voted against alternative energy. It was 11, not 20. "

thoughts a million wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:43 PM:

" --Palin said "But when you talk about Barack's plan to tax increase affecting only those making $250,000 a year or more, you're forgetting millions of small businesses that are going to fit into that category." However, independent estimates show that several hundred thousand small businesses, at most, would pay more under Obama's plan.
--Palin disagreed with Biden's assertion that the current U.S. commander in Afghanistan said that "surge principles" would not work there. The general did say that, and she got his name wrong.
--Palin said that it is untrue that the U.S. is killing civilians in Afghanistan. According to an analysis by the AP, however, the US is killing more civilians than insurgents are. "

thoughts a million wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:41 PM:

" Palin did pretty poorly considering several "fact checker" websites:

--Palin falsely claimed that we are now at pre-surge troop levels. Even with scheduled withdrawals through February, 2009, we will still be 6,000 troops north of the pre-surge force size.
--Palin repeated again a false claim that Obama voted to raise taxes on families making only $42,000 a year, one that FactCheck has debunked twice. The lie is willful, since the McCain had already been forced to change their lying estimate once by FactCheck.
--Palin falsely claimed McCain's health care plan would be "budget neutral." Independent estimates put the plan's cost, including revenue offsets from taxing employer-based plans, at $14-163 billion for just the year 2013.
--Palin falsely claimed that Obama's plan calls for healthcare to be "taken over by the feds," and that it would be "government run." This is a popular fallacy by the Right, but it isn't true. Obama's plan calls for more choices in publicly funded health care. "

I am Squidward wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:24 PM:

" Meh, I think you're right about most of what you said: McCain/Palin will likely be pro-life, pro-war, pro-creationism, and pro-trickle down. I'm good with that. The "change" I'm really hoping they will bring is stopping the pork-barrel add-ons that drive us all crazy- on both sides. I think McCain/Palin are more likely to stop this beyond absurd theft of all our money than the other guys. "

91241 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Really think about it!! Who is going to bring something new and differant to the table. With out a doubt we are going to get more for our money with Sarah Palin.
last night Biden was boring and obnoxious, of course the camera people were always showing the face of Biden when Palin was talking so that we could all digest his feelings on Sarah's comments. Personally several times I thought he had stomach problems. Also it seemed to me that after every segment of Sarah Palin speaking, biden was given time to ridicule what was said.
Sarah Palin is a real American lady!! and I can not think of any one that would do a better job. "

let's see wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:05 PM:

" And lindini,

Since Palin is " the weakest among us to be our poster child" and she was chosen . . . I'd like to know who the strongest female McCain should have picked? You don't say, but you have alot to say about Palin's dis-qualifications. It's like you don't have a better idea, but just to assume the American way and complain about what's there.

For heaven's sake, she is running as the VP, and the VP is to enhance/express the frontrunner's agenda. In the debate, Biden tended to fall back on Biden's voting record, which naturally he would know better than Obama's, but Biden's not running for President so it doesn't really matter! "

OC wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Of course Palin exceeded expectations...they were low to begin with. As for her debate, she clearly showed how uninformed she is on key issues. She avoided answering direct questions by sticking to the message points: raise taxes, governor of an energy state and McCain is a Maverick. They probably told her that if she didn't know the answer, then stick to the buzz words...taxes, energy and maverick.

She lost major points attempting to portray herself as in touch with general populus by using her children. She didn't know about Biden's tragic past and I'm glad he let the world know. "

gelfing wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:33 PM:

" lindini

Despite the fact that she is not running for Pres.. McCain is.... How is Palin not qualified? "

gelfing wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:29 PM:

" Hey John Stewart.... what bold lies? I'll go read, but go ahead and share!! "

monkeyfuzz wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:20 PM:

" Interesting those of you who promote CHANGE in government favor the same old polished, silver-tongued, promise the world politicans. That is different how? "

lindini wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:52 AM:

" Ok seriously, even if you are for McCain you just can't honestly tell me you think Sarah Palin is qualified to be president. I might not love McCain but I do believe he is qualified. Even Bush was more up to date on important issues that face our nation and at least deserved a shot at it. Sarah looked like a trained monkey clanging away on her cymbals. Ask one question she hadn't been drilled on and it was right back to her cards and trained routine. Calling Sarah Palin presidential is an insult to our nation and the wonderful history of strong intelligent leaders who have made it what it is today. I can't believe a party which prides itself on patriotism and love of country would put someone so dangerously incompetent so close to running the free world. "

momtobe5 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:47 AM:

" This is no surprise to me that many of you had problems with how Ms. Palin did during the debate. The reason for this is because she did rather well. Some of the comments really surprise me though. About her not being a stateswoman. Because she talked differently. She did not seem professional. The reason for my surprise was because so many of you are not professional yourself. Have you been anywhere lately. I mean people cannot even get dressed to go to a church service anymore. "casual wear" or "dress down Fridays".
Sarah Palin is good for this nation, she is a very normal person who understands what it is like to be an American. "

Two Cents wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:40 AM:

" Another completely biased article by the AP......they are so predictable. Governor Palin presented herself very well and held her own with Biden. That is saying quite alot considering he has been in the Washington arena FOREVER, and has a wicked reputation for being a bulldog and a very outspoken political individual. Not sure many others could confidently debate him. She is confident, smart and has the ability to be an excellent VP. No, she is not a "Washington insider" (that is a good thing), she is not sullied by dirty politics, nor is she "trained" on how to dance around issues without giving a real answer. What you see is what you get. I say, that is a refreshing change. AND she is just MORE experienced than Obama who is running for President. Just because she hasn't been around Washington to learn how to B%*#S!@* her way through a good speech and give empty promises, doesn't mean she isn't capable of performing VP duties. Her accomplishments are more impressive than than Obama's words. "

Generation Bleach wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:33 AM:

" FollowTheConsitution ... WOW blind Republican much? I am sure when she farts it smells like flowers and sunny spring mornings. All Palin did well was read pre-written statements. There is nothing in the televised debate that is a surprise, all parties involved are given the questions to be asked well ahead of time. "

Former_Resident wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:14 AM:

" lets compare apples to apples.....Alaskas budget the last few years to Illinois budget the last few years......and dont say it wasnt any of Obamas fault...as the great organizer he claims to be he could have persuaded his buddies to fix things in Illinois "

marlee6729 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:07 AM:

" I will begin by saying I do not plan to vote for either ticket, I am that disappointed with our choices. I have voted for both GOP and Dem candidates depending on who I felt was best, not voting blindly based on some vacant ideology sold to me by talking heads on CNN or FOX. Biden is a long time politician, with hundreds if not thousands of votes that I disagree with. Palin the political equivalent of a vacant lot. This idea that she is tough as nails is a farce though. Other than having less knowledge than any other candidate since Dan Quail about the real issues that is. I do not want a folksy VP or president. I want someone who can be the leader of the Free World and act like it! Both are poor choices and hopefully neither candidate for VP will ever lead our country. People out there need to think for themselves and not get taken in by the partisan spin! "

Scapegoat wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:06 AM:

" FTC - I'm not really going to touch your first statements, as it's fairly obvious you won't be receptive to alternate thoughts on the "facts" (interpretations) spoken by each VP candidate. I'll simply say, however, that Palin spoke largely in platitudes, the same thing of which the far right has so frequently accused Obama (sometimes justifiably). All I ask for is consistency in criticism.

I'd also like to echo my earlier concern regarding Sarah Palin being in no way qualified for the Presidency. Last night's debate didn't do anything to convince me otherwise. Maybe some day she will be but, until that time, there's nothing "refreshing" (gelfing's words) about her being on McCain's ticket. Initial polls are showing other independents feel largely the same way. "

ofc313 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:51 AM:

" Liberals trash what they are afraid of. An intelligent articulate Woman who speaks like an average human not a law degree robot. She did fine but I am afraid it wont help the cause. People will follow like lemmings over the cliff to vote for who they are told or pressured who to vote for. "

nwbasse wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:45 AM:

" I think we should toss out polls, news reports, commentary, etc. We know how biased they truly are because they have their candidates choosen and therein lies their bias. Listen to the candidates and what they have to say but also know this...it's politics. They want your votes. We know that Obama took campaign money from theses banks that are now getting bailed out. We know Palin has been a governor with no Washington experience. There is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS more to the story. I'm just afraid of what it is. No matter what the language used on or off camera or during a debate, the Republican platform will typically always be less government intervention, pro family, less taxes. The Democratic platform typically means more government intervention, less focus on family, and more taxes...it's basic...it's common sense. "

Jon Stewart wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:40 AM:

" Dear Follow the Constitution
Fact Check, go read the story out that researches what was said last night. Palin is all catch phrases and BS. She told some bad lies.
Have republicans ever thought that maybe the "Bias" is simply many people not thinking what you do? "

Sam Wainwright wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:38 AM:

" I can see Indiana from my grain bin- can I be Governor? "

let's see wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:29 AM:

" There are more six-pack joes in this world than there are cerebral-type politicians! Interpret this to mean, there are more Palin types in America than there are Biden types! There are more blue collar, get-it-done types than there are US Senators; there's only 100 US Senators.

If a male talked the way Sarah Palin did, it would not even have been a discussion point. In summing up the debate, NBC indicated yes, she held her own, but this debate won't be discussed for more than two days! You can already buy a yard sign TODAY that says "Say it ain't so, Joe!"

Personally, I got the impression that Biden liked Sarah Palin for one thing. I also thought that it didn't matter as much to him if Obama won. Yes, he said some favorable Obama-isms, but Palin was a better representative for her frontrunner than Biden. Biden isn't the change Obama needs -- Biden has said more than once before his agreement to be on the ticket that Obama does not have enough experience. Biden has been on a presidential (losing) ticket before, so this isn't his first VP debate. "

tripper wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:19 AM:

" Here is my spin:

Biden answered 90% of the questions and seemed to be a bit stiff.

Palin answered 60% of the questions and seemed to like the "shucks" and "by golly" stuff a bit too much. "

lindini wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:17 AM:

" Oh Zeva, come on! No one cares that she is a woman, everyone cares that she is an *incompetent* woman, far over her head, trying to win a race based on aw shucks charm and pandering to a very extreme group in the republican party. Nominating a weak woman when so many strong, intelligent and qualified women were available is disgusting and offensive, particularly to me AS a woman. Don't pick the weakest among us to be our poster child and expect me to smile while you do it! "

lifelong learner wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:13 AM:

" Bidden and Obama keep saying that they are the answer to the last 8 years. How is an ultra-liberal the answer to the liberal Bush and Congress? 8 years of liberalism has failed so we should support going ultra-liberal? Palin proved that McCain is at least taking steps in the right direction. "

Jon Stewart wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:50 AM:

" I'm so tired of hearing republican's say "Liberal Media" when more of the news stations and media outlets are nothing but angry conservative talking heads.
Biden may be stiff, but he is smart and would be able to do the job. That's more than I can say for a woman who would be getting the job for looks and demographic purposes. Which of these two would you want running the country for years?
I ask everyone to go out to yahoo and read the fact and fiction break down of the debate. The propaganda is really think in elections and a lot of lies are being told. "

Home Plate wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:49 AM:

" Think about it! Five weeks ago, no one knew the governor of Alaska. She had no Washington, DC experience or ambitions. Look what she has done for the largest state in the union with an approval rate of over 80% of her residents. Then ask, what Obama has done for Illinois? We have a governor with an approval rate of 32% and comes from the same Chicago hatchery as Obama, Dailey, Jones, and Madigan. If Obama can't take care of his (whole state) of Illinois, how is he going to take care of America? "

albundy54 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:37 AM:

" As I expected Palin cleaned the clock of the career liberal who could only reach back to the past. The only thing Biden could do is bring up McCains prior votes. Well that tells me that he is out of ideas. Now for all of you liberals who are trying to paint this is a Biden victory let me ask you this. O'Bama all along has campaigned on the position of change for America. How is Biden continually going back to voting records doing anything to shape the future? Biden was caught in several lies one of which O'Bama stated about his plans for talking to Iranian leadership. Biden was out classed, out gunned, and out manuvered. It was a thing of beauty to see a short time politician bring home the issues and completely dominate the life long politician. You libs hate to admit it but last night was the begining of the end for O'Bama-Biden. "

IndependentPekinite wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:30 AM:

" I'm voting 3rd party, but I would say Palin won the debate. While both Palin & Bidin made mistakes (lied?) during the debate, Bidin's mistakes seem much more calculating, while Palin's seemed more like half-truths. Biden's been in the senate almost 40 years, while the US has continually went down-hill. I consider Palin's inexperience and lack of jadeness a positive. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Within a hour after the debate over a MILLION text messages came in with 86% saying Palin won, 12% saying Biden won and 0% undecided. That is over a MILLION viewers within a hour!

That's over 860,000 people seen Palin as the winner to only 120,000 seeing Biden as the winner! (((((WOW))))) America finally got it right! Lets pray for the sake of our country's security they get it right on Nov 4th and vote McCain! "

ilovethistown wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:26 AM:

" HEY!! Speaking of debates, where the heck was John McCain's flagpin last week?!?! "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Biden being in Washington for over 30 years in which he should know a lot more point made 10 statements that were completely false! At least 6 others that were arguable, while the newcomer with only 5 weeks under her belt answered everything truthfully, with a few things being arguable!

Palin has proven she is tuff as nails, not afraid to say what she really thinks instead of telling people what they want hear, and has proven she has strong leadership skills and won't take bull from anyone! She stands up for what is right.

She will be the President one day. Assuming we still have a country after Obama destroys it! "

cats55ire wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:22 AM:

" to Pirate - you've got it!!!!!

AP's trashing Palin again! Back off media--I'm sick of your bias!

OK, I know the CEO of AP doesn't read these, but at least I release my frustration and disgust at a "media giant" (yea-right)??????? "

Meh wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:20 AM:

" I am Squidward, you guys have been trying to claim that there will be change, but pro-life, pro-war, pro-creationism, and pro-trickle down isn't exactly different from the last 8 years. "

gelfing wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:15 AM:

" It sounds to me, in every comment section I've read that the Dems are working HARD to convince me that Biden did well. Again, as it has since Palin was anounced, the liberals are showing their fear.
Biden sidestepped as many answers as Palin did. Palin even answered some directly. Specifically the question about Doing things differently if she had to step up.
If you honestly though that either person was going to directly answer every question as it was asked during a debate, then your living in a fantasy world.
The REFRESHING thing about Sarah Palin is that she is not a experianced statesman/politition. She is more connected with the people and more recently that Joe Biden.
It was a great debate! "

Demosthenes wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Please not another "aw shucks" executive in the White House.

I really don't like the dems, but 4 more years of this is getting pretty dangerous. "

kb wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:07 AM:

" I would have to agree with 'Sigh' on this one...she didn't have a prayer no matter how well she performed. Needless to say I don't look to the AP for an objective opinion... "

Noober wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:58 AM:

" Since I know all politicians Lie, twist and stretch the truth. I watched the debate without sound, that being said, Palin is better looking than Biden, so I'll vote for her and that other guy she is running with. At least then I won't have to drink the Kool-aid. "

Pirate wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:57 AM:

" AP again. I didn't even bother to read the article. "

I am Squidward wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:56 AM:

" The results are in: 50% of Americans prefer slick lying used car salesmen who's helicopters are routinely forced down by gunfire, uhhh, I mean snow fire and can't recognize a crippled man sitting before them. The other 50% prefer someone who's just like them, down-to-earth, a real Washington outsider who'll bring real "hope" and real "change." "

pseudo-intellectual wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:55 AM:

" I hate to say I told you so (right) but there was no way the liberal media was going to let it appear that Palin won the debate. Just the consistent theme that she "exceeded expectations" suggests she in fact did "win." But what matters is not who "won" but whether either candidate for vp is qualified for the job or, in the case of a tragedy, qualified to be president. His own party has scorned Joe Biden for 20 years as presidential timber- I reckon they know something about the man. Palin was chosen by McCain because of demographics but at least has been a successful leader (albeit in a remote corner of the world). That is something neither McCain nor Obama can claim. A truly fateful election... "

isunormalil wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:45 AM:

" Jon Stewart, I agree. I felt like i was watching a rerun of hee haw. "

isunormalil wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:44 AM:

" Is she going to start a serious conversation with Ahmadinejad by calling him "six pack joe". Rather than act like a 3rd grader, I would have appreciated some seriousness on her end. "

hey_now wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:42 AM:

" Drill baby drill! Why not on the soccer field when the kids are playing? "

Scapegoat wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:37 AM:

" I agree with Woody. Palin kept to her generalities and smoothly side-stepped direct questions while Biden showed impressive restraint and a depth of knowledge across a variety of issues. Before this debate, I did not like or dislike Biden, but now I sure do have a lot more respect for him.

I also like how some of the pundits on CNN criticized Biden afterwards for falling into "Senate-speak." I'm sorry, I didn't realize that speaking intelligently was a bad thing? Given his background, I don't see how anyone can genuinely claim that he's an elitist. That "elite-speak" argument always frustrates me. "

Cthulhu wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:37 AM:

" Exceeded expectations???? Quite an understatement dontcha think? "

Sigh wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:33 AM:

" judging by the comments here, Palin could have been perfect while biden got up and started flinging feces at the moderator and they would still say that Palin lost.

Oh she was coached OH NO, just like every other candidate has been for the last 100 years she must be evil! Oh she uses different words because she is from a different region than me, she is the devil! Oh no she looked good, that witch! "

IL_MD wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:26 AM:

" I didn't watch the whole thing, but for someone that admits that she was not in on everything going on in Washington, she held her own for just being thrown in head first a month or so ago. Personally, I think we need somebody in Washington that doesn't already have preconceived notions on the things that are going on. Someone that would have to look into things before she does something. Biden should have had good answers for all the questions, it is stuff he has been dealing with for many many years. If he didn't have good answers, then I would be more worried. "

New Nana wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:17 AM:

" I only made through part of the debate, but in that time period I felt also like she should be running for the PTA. Phrases like, "A heck of a lot"...come on, this was a VP debate, not a hockey game we were at. And I can't tell you how many times I heard the words Maverick. I think the woman who was interviewed in an article yesterday, who used to be an advocate of Sarah was right on the mark, when she said, Sarah should bow out gracefully for whatever reason she can come up with to save her parties ticket. It was obvious that in the times she wasn't answering questions that she was searching her cards for how to respond. "

ambr1 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:09 AM:

" Hey, Im a member of the PTA, but Republican standards I should be the next VP!!! "

Zeva wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:06 AM:

" This woman could have had wings on her back and been an angel but because she is a woman no one will take her seriously. The polls will tell you what THEY think, not what the general populous thinks. I never believe polls, they are biased. Has anyone here ever been called for their opinion? I haven't, so how can a poll be accurate when you miss half of the population or take the ones you want and chuck the ones you don't. I'm voting for Ron Paul anyway so it doesn't matter. Ron Paul has a lot of people voting for him as a write in. He is the best man for the job because he has sense and makes sense. "

Jon Stewart wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:02 AM:

" The accent is understandable, but I could not take 5 mins of the constant "Gee Golley's" and "Gosh Darns." I don't want that in a leader and can't stand to listen to it. I still wonder what her true beliefs are and how they will effect her actions. "

Bitter Academic wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:59 AM:

" Come on! It's not hard to exceed expectations when the bar is set so low to begin with. Perhaps this was the strategy all along--keep expectations low so that your candidate can shine in the spotlight. Not so sure if it will end up working, though. "

m1h2 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:57 AM:

" Well, she did not pull a "Katie Couric" however I for sure do not want her taking that "3 am" call nor with a finger on "the button"; she is a classic example of the Peter Principle. All that folksy, Joe-sixpack bit is tiring and only proves she is more qualified to lead the PTA. He projected the statesman-like demeanor we need in our VP, he answered the questions with purpose and clarity even choking-up when he talked about being a single dad and possibly losing a child. For this Republican, there is no question - Obama/Biden are the answer. "

Woody wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:44 AM:

" The McCain campaign is breathing a sigh of relief that Palin did not humiliate herself again on national television. While she avoided any major mistakes, she also avoided actually answering the questions being asked. She did not show whether or not she actually understood the issues, or how she would address them.

While Biden's performance was not splashy, he clearly had a firm grasp of the issues and displayed a level of competence and professionalism that Palin was unable to match. "

matzmom wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:32 AM:

" It was apparent last night that Palin had been in beauty pageants, smile and look at the camera and side step every question you don't want to answer.
When we will get straight answers from McCain/Palin?
I was offended when she said that Obama/Biden were raising a white flag of surrender, didn't that happen in Korea and Viet Nam? I think it would be better to surrender gracefully and get out, than stay in Iraq and sacrifice any more lives over Mass Weapons of Destruction that was just a Bush lie to get the United States over there. "

ambr1 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:20 AM:

" Man, I wish I had been allowed to change the questions and answers that I didn't like or understand on every test I ever took. Prewritten notecards anyone??? All she did in the debate was prove that she is good at reading other peoples' answers and she doesn't know jack about politics. Her pausing and stumbling around proved that even furthur. She made a fool of herself. "

uncletom wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:17 AM:

" "Joe Six Pack", "Say it ain't so Joe"? Ok, that sounds great running for the mayor of Bloomington, but comeon! "

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