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ONLY IN AMERICA wrote on Oct 17, 2008 7:46 AM:

" UPDATE: Secret Service Agents at the rallies state THIS NEVER HAPPENED....

Another propaganda story from the Democratic Party....

THE DUMBING OF AMERICA CONTINUES - And the sad part is people believe it. "

ONLY IN AMERICA wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:13 AM:

" While looking at race issues it's funny because Democrat's accuse Palin of being a racist because of what someone at a rally said. Since when is she responsible for people's actions at a rally ????

When comparing race in this election it has been stated that 33% of white people won't vote for Obama because he is black. While on the other side of the isle the ratio for black voting is 99% of blacks are voting for Obama only because he is black.

THE DUMBING OF AMERICA CONTINUES DAILY !!!! "

The Original JD wrote on Oct 14, 2008 10:15 PM:

" What created this problem was liberals in office during Clinton, who pushed through regulations to make it easier for people to get loans. Of course the thought that the people were refused the loans did not cross the minds of the liberals who wanted to buy votes by sharing the wealth. So now the piper needs to get paid, and all those who were refused loans before, because they could not repay them, are not repaying them. Yes, it happened during the Bush administration, but it is not a republican issue. "

jdl wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:25 PM:

" The tax credit is a government hand out. Spreading the wealth. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:06 PM:

" He left out one major important thing here!

Out of all Americans that all have federal taxes withheld....at the end of the year when they file their tax return....40% of all Americans get 100% of that withholding back!!! Not only do they get 100% of that withholding back, MOST of that 40% get 100% of their withholding back PLUS they get MORE back! They get extra earned income credit, child care credit, etc! So most of that 40% get a lot more back than what they actually paid in from that withholding they had on their paychecks!

I guess the Obama camp is banking on the ignorance of Americans to fall for this BS! "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:06 PM:

" Today on the news they asked one of the Obama spokes persons about this 95% tax cut.

The question was:

Isn't that misleading the American people to say Obama will cut taxes for 95% of Americans when in fact 40% of Americans don't pay any taxes at all???

The Obama spokes person answer:

Look! Everyone of your viewers watching this all know that when they get their paycheck that there is a part on their check stub that says federal withholding and there are federal taxes on there listed that are withheld!

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OK, and? And? And?

That was it! That was his answer! "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:59 PM:

" And with this economy right now they can't raise any taxes on anyone regardless who is elected. ANY kind of a tax increase on anyone, businesses or the people, will result in a major depression! The economy is in the tank! When the economy is in the tank the last thing you could ever do is raise anyone's taxes! It would be economic suicide!!!

This just goes to show how Obama is living in a fantasyland by thinking his plan would work. His plan is total GARBAGE! It makes ZERO sense! It can NOT work!

This means one of two things. Obama is really DUMB, or, Obama is flat out LYING to people by misleading them into believing he is going to cut their taxes, raise taxes on businesses and have a national healthcare program.

All Obama is doing is telling people what they want to hear. Lower taxes, healthcare for everyone! As great as that all sounds, it ain't gonna happen, and IF it did, YOU will get hit with the biggest tax increase in history because the government always way under estimates what their programs will cost. "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:58 PM:

" The so called trickle up idea won't work. Obama is NOT going to lower taxes for middle class. He is going to RAISE taxes!

Once again....now listen carefully and try to understand this....you can NOT raise taxes on businesses and lower taxes on the middle class. The two don't work in harmony together.

A tax increase on businesses is an AUTOMATIC TAX INCREASE FOR YOU! If you get lucky and escape a direct tax increase from the government you are still getting hit with a hidden tax increase by businesses in the form of HIGHER PRICES!

Those HIGHER PRICES will actually result in more cost to you had the government just raised your taxes directly! "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 13, 2008 11:39 AM:

" rundmc

So Bill Clinton is lying to you when he just said HE and the democrat party were responsible! Sheesh! Even when a dem admits being at fault the kool-aid drinkers refuse to except it!

Do you know WHY we had high grow during Clinton??? Because of INFLATED PHONY property values! His opening the flood gates on these subprime loans created a boom in prices that were based off junk mortgages! Buyers lined up and that created a bubble that was guaranteed to burst! Now it finally bursted wide open! We are now going to have to pay for Clinton created! You can't grow the economy on a house of cards!

Obama will be even worse! "

FollowTheConsitution wrote on Oct 13, 2008 11:33 AM:

" airhead

If the name fits, wear it! LOL "

MRS. wrote on Oct 13, 2008 11:28 AM:

" Oh, that is just funny. Obama wants to deceptive voting practices. ACORN anyone. He gave them 800 grand in the last few months. Again, I don't like McCain but I will not vote for Obama. When he first poped up I listened and liked what I saw and heard. Then I e-mailed him a few times. He always replied and was very nice but while I believe everyone has the right to expect a certain amount of healthcare I do not agree with his idea of how to get it. I do not agree with the bailout (I know McCain voted yes, I said I didn't like him). We are worlds apart on most social issues except stopping voter fraud. I lean toward Liberal for helping the poor and while I hate singling out a person because of the skin color if a black man committed a crime I want to know the same if a blond hair,blue eyed, freckle faced man did it. So not to cause any B/P rises I would say the same for women too. "

gelfing wrote on Oct 13, 2008 10:23 AM:

" come on thedish:

In 2006, when the Republicans controlled the congress.... gas prices hovered around 2.20 a gallon in october. Now, 2 years later, with a democratic congress... we just got below 3.00 a gallon after hovering around 4 dollars a gallon for months.

coincidence? "

gelfing wrote on Oct 13, 2008 10:19 AM:

" Esteban Colberto:

Your absolutely right.. and during those years the Republicans controlled congress and the white house, unemployment was almost a full point lower and the dow was THOUSANDS of points higher. None of that changed until the congress changed..... hrm... coincidence? "

Peace wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:59 AM:

" Sure Congress points to the greed of the financial industry. Much easier than taking responsibility for the mess they themselves caused. The greed is a symptom of how the rules were changed to allow people who could not previously get loans, obtain them, knowing full well they couldn't be repaid. Congress was trying to ensure everyone should be able to afford a home during such boon times, unrealistic as it was and still is. Please try to go beyond the political surface of issues to their root causes. Put aside your party affiliation long enough to find out what's really going on. Then focus your hatred toward that instead of your fellow Americans on this blog. "

OGS wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:40 AM:

" If America votes for substance then neither McCain or Obama will win, as both only offer lies and false promises! They are both puppets of Wall St. "

beingajoe wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:30 AM:

" This election is far to important to vote based on race or sex.

By the way, here is a website that shares all the Sarah Palin dirt to support Barack Obama! "

rundmc wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:21 AM:

" It is really silly, some of the rheteroric coming out of the McCain rallies and out of his supporters (some on this page). You have people standing up on rallies and saying "He's an Arab!" Barack Obama is a United States Senator, just like John McCain. It shows me that racism is far from dead in this country. Also, I find it funny Bill Clinton's name is being tied into this economic mess. Remember, when he left office, there was a budget surplus. Poor Georgie about run us into the ground! "

thedish wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:47 AM:

" Clinton did a lot of great things that GW turned around and screwed up. Remember he was trying to get us independent from oil? Oh but GW had to go and be best buddies with those oil companies and now our gas is outrageous. "

Esteban Colberto wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:42 AM:

" Troez, last four years, nope, they took the house and have the Senate by from the 2006 election(when they took office Jan 07). As far as the Senate goes they do not have the cntrol the Repubs in GWB's first six years. Nice try though on clouding the facts. "

G. Swardson wrote on Oct 13, 2008 6:46 AM:

" Did "Airhead" mean to put McCain's name in the first sentence? "

I am Squidward wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:51 AM:

" This story clearly shows why the age to vote must be raised to age 21, at the least. (And yes, the age to fight should be the same) These youngsters have no clue, no life-experience, no real work experience, no true frame of reference upon which to draw an accurate conclusion. They've never paid REAL taxes, never had real dependents, never had to pay ALL of the bills. All they have is theory. Big boys and big girls know what the real, and not theoretical world is like. These bozos are focused on race? Rome is burning... hello!!! And what's this communist talk of "equal neighborhoods?" Every PERSON equal under the law, I'M FOR THAT. I'm not for: "From those according to their ability to those according to their needs." Sounds like some undergraduate indoctrination there... "

airhead wrote on Oct 13, 2008 4:38 AM:

" troyez: The last 4 years? Republicans two and Democrats 1 1/2. With all that experience don't you think John should be using it for something other than to look idiotic? The reason McCain looks so erratic and confused is that he is trying to show he is a leader. Trying! Try to sit down. You can't. You either sit or you don't. You are either a leader or you are not. Leaders have followers. And right now I feel McCain would just lead us into a ditch. Then he would just tell us he didn't like the looks of the road. It is so frustrating because McCain is doing what he is doing and many Republican don't seem to care or notice. If we have a problem someone will just say it is all in our heads and he will tell us simply to calm down. I hope some don't have to find out the hard way. Four years is a long time. And he couldn't be impeached because it would get worse. "

airhead wrote on Oct 13, 2008 4:30 AM:

" to jdl: In March of this year, McCain said he favors deregulation. Phil Graham was the architect of the bill that got us where we are today. You can spin and spin but many even Republicans will agree that this is the result of greed by corporate executives and businesses who have been free to run willy nilly and make themselves rich at our expense. You forget one of McCain's campaign managers was being paid $15,000 a month to lobby for Freddie Mac. Previously it was $30,000. You can try to twist and turn but you can't change the facts. And then the fact is the Republicans have been in control of both the senate and house and the White HOuse for 6 of the last 8 years. You also know full well the Democrats have done nothing but investigate the last 1 1/2. This time the Republicans hands are not clean. And they can't just blame someone else. The chickens are coming home to roost and you guys just don't like it. Facts are facts but it is wonderful how people like to rearrange them for votes. "

The Original JD wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:23 AM:

" The voters would not know substance if it fell from the sky and hit them in the head. What they mean to say is they will vote on sound bites and promises of something for nothing. The voters are failing the democratic process by making uneducated decisions without thoughts of where the money is going to come from to pay for the plethora of things that either side is pandering. This election, like many before it, will be decided by the most charismatic speaker who can deceive the people into thinking he is anything different than the same old from last election. "

Annienap wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:45 PM:

" National Security (military) is my number one decider; not race and not gender. Experience is number two on my 'decider' list. I want to know that there is someone 'in charge' that knows SOMETHING about national security and has experience-REAL experience-in government. I don't like Bush and his policies, BUT our country has not been attacked again so I will go with McCain. At this time in this country, we don't need to 'hire' a greenhorn and do on the job training. We need someone who passed those tests YEARS ago. "

troyez wrote on Oct 12, 2008 10:21 PM:

" Oh yeah, it's the GOP's fault that the economy is in a downturn; I guess you're forgetting who has controlled the congress for the last four years. This mess cannot laid at the feet of John McCain and Obama in office can only exacerbate the problem.
I am personally voting on experience. John McCain has a lifetime of it, Obama has a couple years worth "working," in the Chicago political machine and in that Senate I mentioned earlier. "

jdl wrote on Oct 12, 2008 9:59 PM:

" airhead: It is really sad that you say Republicans are voting on past substance and blame Republicans for what the Democrats started with Clinton and finished with their own miserable oversight Senators.

In the 1990's, Barney Frank’s efforts to deregulate Fannie Mae was a serious conflict of interest because his lover, Herb Moses, was an executive for Fannie Mae at the time Frank's was on the House Banking Committee, which had jurisdiction over Fannie Mae.

Even Bill Clinton said "I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was president, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac."

I do not understand how voters are just ignoring the FACTS about who is to blame for the current meltdown. Not to mention ignoring the FACTS on Obamas past and his plan to repeat the failed Democratic economics strategy that the Carter administration proved was a disaster. "

airhead wrote on Oct 12, 2008 8:40 PM:

" How could they even consider voting for McCain if they voted on substance? He doesn't do substance. They do personality and have even stated if they do substance ie the economy they lose. What many Republicans are voting on is past substance. They have an idea about what a Democrat does and what a Republican does. They forget to open their eyes and take a look at our economy and what it is doing and why. When you allow the fox to tend the henhouse the fox takes care of the hens all right. This happened in our governors office too. Everyone knew full well what our governor has done and will do but they voted anyway. And then they want to blame in on Chicago. Much of Chicago has moved here and to the rest of the state. I know we could send Sarah to Chicago and they could secede from the state. Great idea. Let's make her governor of Illinois. "

110100100 wrote on Oct 12, 2008 7:48 PM:

" "One in three black men is in jail with a felony record." That is a complete lie. It's closer to one in ten. "

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