WASHINGTON, D.C. — Trauma surgeons at MedStar Washington Hospital Center didn’t know the name of the young man wheeled into the trauma center, unconscious and bleeding from his face and head after being hit by a car. Nor did they know he lacked insurance.
But as they worked to save his life, doctors and nurses at the capital’s largest hospital ran a dizzying battery of lab tests and high-tech scans. Surgeons operated repeatedly, at one point removing a portion of his skull to relieve pressure on the brain.
As happens daily in emergency rooms nationwide, the uninsured patient received medical care guaranteed by a generation-old federal mandate that requires hospitals to care for all in need, regardless of ability to pay.
For 26 years, the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, or EMTALA, has been a bedrock principle of American health care — passed by a bipartisan Congress, signed by a Republican president and largely unchallenged since by hospitals and doctors.
“Whether people know it or not, whether people appreciate it or not, access to emergency care became a right in this country in 1986,” said Dr. Wesley Fields, an emergency physician in Orange County, Calif. “But the law that did that never addressed the big question of whose responsibility it was to deal with the cost.”
That unresolved question — who pays? — helped shape President Barack Obama’s 2010 health care law and its requirement that Americans get health insurance. For years, it even convinced many Republicans, including former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, to champion an insurance mandate. But today, the insurance mandate is the central target of GOP opposition to the law.
Within days, the Supreme Court will rule on whether the new law is constitutional. If the law is upheld, millions of newly insured patients will have many of their hospital bills covered by insurance. But if the law, or just the insurance mandate, is struck down, those bills will be passed on to taxpayers, hospitals and privately insured patients, as they have been for the past quarter-century.
The drive for a hospital mandate emerged in the 1980s out of outrage over stories like Sharon Ford’s.
Ford, who lived in a working-class suburb of Oakland, Calif., gave birth to a stillborn baby in 1985 after being turned away from two private hospitals that erroneously believed she lacked insurance. At one, she was refused admission even after a fetal monitor picked up signs that her baby’s heart was beating irregularly. By the time she made it to a public hospital, which scrambled to do an emergency caesarean section, the baby had died.
Ford’s case was not an isolated one. In Dallas, an 18-year-old man died from a severe infection after a local emergency room wouldn’t perform basic medical tests before sending him to the public hospital. In Chicago, one private hospital reportedly placed yellow stickers on the charts of patients without private insurance to avoid admitting them.
“We were seeing outrageous behavior on a daily basis,” said Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, a professor of public health at the City University of New York who helped document what was called “patient dumping.”
State leaders were the first to require hospitals to provide emergency care to all in need. But by the mid-1980s, pressure was mounting for a national solution.
Democrats who advocated universal health care, including the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts and Rep. Pete Stark of California, eagerly embraced a federal mandate on hospitals.
But the idea drew support from leading Republicans as well. “We cannot stand idly by and watch those Americans who lack the resources be shunted away from immediate and appropriate emergency care,” Sen. Dave Durenberger, R-Minn., the lead Senate sponsor of the mandate legislation, said at the time.
Sen. Robert Dole of Kansas, the majority leader and future GOP presidential nominee, said hospitals had an obligation to provide care. “We should expect nothing less,” he said.
The emergency treatment act, which threatens hospitals with the loss of federal Medicare funding, was ultimately included in a massive budget compromise signed by President Ronald Reagan in 1986.
Over the years, hospitals and federal regulators in Democratic and Republican administrations would tangle over how much care hospitals had to provide. But there would never be a serious challenge to the act’s legality or a move to repeal it.
The law requires emergency rooms to evaluate patients and stabilize those in need of urgent care. It does not compel hospitals to admit everyone for ongoing treatment.
There is broad agreement that the law put an end to the worst abuses. “It changed the way many institutions operated,” said Elvia Foulke, a former hospital executive at Citrus Valley Medical Center, a safety net hospital east of Los Angeles.
At MedStar Washington Hospital Center, a sprawling medical campus three miles from the U.S. Capitol, the emergency department sees its daily share of uninsured patients seeking care for everything from heart attacks to insect bites. Last month, more than 400 of 8,400 seen lacked coverage, according to hospital figures. Nationwide, the uninsured account for nearly a fifth of emergency department visits.
In nearly every case at MedStar, doctors and nurses never know who pays the bills. “It doesn’t enter the equation,” said the hospital’s emergency chief, Dr. Bill Frohna.
But the bills come due. And although emergency care accounts for a small fraction of total health care spending, many hospitals are feeling increasingly strained by the free care they provide.
Last year, MedStar Washington reported delivering $107.2 million in care for which it was not reimbursed. Nationwide, the total amount of uncompensated care provided to the uninsured reached an estimated $56 billion in 2008, according to one study.
Those costs have prompted financially strapped hospitals to rely on a complex system of shifting costs. Most of the burden falls on taxpayers, with the government providing tens of billions of dollars annually to help hospitals care for the uninsured. Privately insured Americans also pay a price as insurers raise premiums to reflect higher charges from hospitals.
In the past, the cost shifting was cited by many conservatives as a reason why the federal government should require Americans to have health insurance.
“If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance,” the Heritage Foundation’s Stuart Butler said in 1989. “We will not deny him services — even if that means more prudent citizens end up paying the tab.” Butler, like many Republicans, has since renounced the insurance mandate.
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"That unresolved question — who pays? — helped shape President Barack Obama’s 2010 health care law and its requirement that Americans get health insurance."
My question is: How can that that portion of the law be enforced against the gang bangers and their hangers on as well as the people who have no intention of paying for insurance? So what if a penalty is assessed? They wouldn't pay that either.
To my understanding, there is no perfect solution. But, charging Medicare for everyone taxes inorder to provide universal healthcare seems to be the most fair and easy to administer. I'm not prepared to write a book on the subject, but as you have heard me suggest before, read "The Healing of America" by T. R. Reid.
Amazing hypocrisy by the republicans, the so-called party of "individual reponsibility", to try to strike down the mandate that would force each person to pay for their own insurance. I think of you everytime my premiums go up.
Curious, back in the 80's it was a "personal responsibility" issue with conservatives like the Heritage Foundation. Once it again became a Democratic issue, it became an "intrusion of big government" negative with conservatives. Which is it?
No conservative is against everyone purchasing their own insurance coverage. They are however against charging the bill to corporations and businesses that employ a great number of the uninsured. Why? Small businesses can not afford to offer their employees insurance due to the cost and big businesses will opt to pay the penalty rather than pay a portion of the premium for their employees. In the latter you will see millions of now insured working people saddled with paying high premiums for their coverage. This payment and penalty plan will cause more people to loose their coverage than it will ever add to the list of insured people. I have never in my lifetime seen the government become involved with any private interprise that did not end up raising the cost of the product to the consumer. The real answer is to lower the cost of health care for everyone not giving it away to some and overcharging others!!!!
Indeed. Also back in the 90's, when Clinton was pushing a solution, a group of Republican Senators pushed an alternative very similar to what was eventually passed as the Affordable Care Act/"Obamacare". And as is well known, the ACA is very similar to what passed in Massachusetts as "Romneycare". IMHO, what passed as the Affordable Care Act wasn't what Obama would have preferred but what he and his advisors thought could possibly coax some Republican votes in the Senate. And of course, now, in an election year, even Romney is against "Romneycare". It is indeed a bizarre world!
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In the developed world there are a number of ways in which near universal health care access is achieved, with varying degrees of government involvement, and with good results, all at lower costs then we experience. Each approach has its strengths and weaknesses. It the Affordable Care Act goes out the window, it should be possible to find another approach but not in the hyperpartisan political climate of today. .
Actually, it is the Supreme Court that is reviewing the law, not the Republicans. If ObamaCare's mandate is found unconstitutional, it is the fault of Obama and the Democrats for not following their constitutional powers.
Go to the emergency room at OSF or Advocate/Bromenn and the FIRST thing they want is insurance info PERIOD. Symptoms are secondary. Without Insurance card - Have a seat.
I have no recent experience with OSF but at Bromenn members of my family who arrived with symptoms of stroke or heart attack were treated immediately. Insurance information was collected later.
F Flintstone you are dishonest! Turner, Absolutely true for OSF as well. First you check in, if it is a serious emergency you are taken back immediately. If it is not a true emergency you wait a few minutes for triage. They call you back and take your vitals then you are taken to a room in most cases where a nurse comes in immediately to find out what is up. then the lady comes and asks about insurance and next of kin stuff like that. Never once was I ever asked for insurance prior to medical care! Then, depending on the seriousness of my case the doctor eventually shows up. But of course, the seriousness of the patient comes first. If someone takes their child into the e.r. because of a simple ear infection and something more serious comes in after, the ear infection will wait. It HAS to.
Too many people abuse this policy they go to the emergency room for all medical needs just because they know it's paid for.. If someone goes to the emergency room for treatment that does not have insurance and it's not life treating then they should be responsible for the bill period it should not be the tax payers or myself responsiblity to pay a doctor bill for someone that is not feeling good or has a sore throat.
I went to the BroMenn ER for a broken toe on a Saturday morning last year. The three hours spent in the waiting room were... eye-opening, to say the least. I'd estimate at least half of the patients being admitted were there due to either violence and/or alcohol. The Trainwreck Lifestyle on full display.
On the bright side, only about half of those patients were morbidly obese smokers. So, there's that.
I've seen people on public aid waltz into the ER for a pregnancy test. I'm guessing if they're too lazy/broke/stupid/unwilling to march themselves over to WalMart and spend $4 for a pee test, they're probably not going to pay their mandated insurance premiums either, nor the fines if they don't. And if they're not working, they aren't paying into Medicaid or any other taxes. So anyway you look at it, the taxpayers are footing the bill all around. Even if we went to universal health care, those not working would still not be paying into it, so what's the point?
Have you ever noticed the people on public aid have nice cars, iphones, fancy clothes and a lot of them must be eating pretty good based off their size yet they can't afford to pay something for insurance? People abuse the er with pregnancy tests, toothaches, the cold or flu. Isn't this what dentists and doctors are for they are covered... also the pantagraph should post statistics of insured vs uninsured malpractice claims. I'm willing to bet these uninsured are more likely to try and get rich quick... if we want to fix america get rid of welfare jobs aren't that hard to come by, unfortunately welfare encourages young women to have as many kids and stay single they make more money making babies than working a 9-5
I bet that higher risk patients—the 37% of adults who are obese, the 9% who are diabetic, the 13% over 65 —are probably raising health care costs far faster than the “gang bangers” and welfare cheats that everybody likes to gripe about. Even with private insurance, there’s simply no way to avoid paying for other people’s aliments and their stupid choices, the issue is whether everybody has to suffer just so the perceived cheaters can be stopped.
Umm actually the public aid folks i've seen look like they're pretty poor overall. Maybe no car, or a piece of junk. Definitely no iPhone or fancy clothes (how fancy are we talking here - what should they wear, potato sacks or something?). Also, you can't judge poor people by how fat they are. Take a look at any fast food/cheap food restaurant's nutritional info and you will see it's very easy to eat REALLY cheap and get REALLY fat pretty fast. You're living with a delusional perspective of welfare people - there are always people who take advantage of a system. Plenty of them genuinely need help.
MRK also, something people are overlooking when it comes to obese people on welfare is the product of what they eat AND the medications of what is given. 50% of my medications I took 2 years ago cause weight gain and I stopped them immediately. But in just 2 weeks you can put on up to 20 lbs and not even know it. When it comes to what they eat, they can't afford the steak that everyone here claims. They eat a lot of the low cost meat such as the worst hamburger loaded with fat. Potato chips, mac n cheese, stuff that contains a lot of sugar and salt. They can't afford the healthier foods. Nobody on welfare can afford an iphone unless of course they get a good deal from the wireless company they are with or they are one of the people that abuse the system. Maizen is clearly delusional regarding the poor folks.
I receive a link card. I am over weight too. I do NOT have a nice car, cell phone or nice clothes. When I can scrape enough money together to buy clothes they come from mission mart or goodwill! I can barely afford to pay rent and utilities! I was hit by a car in 2004 while walking through a parking lot. I am disabled because of a stupid hit and run driver! I worked from the age of 12 till that happened and paid into the same system that every one else does. I am NOT over weight due to food but to enforced inactivity! I would dearly love to be a working productive member of society. It is humiliating to have to use a link card in the grocery store while someone behind you is watching everything in your cart! Yes sometimes i purchase some chips for my kids and soda sometimes too. They are KIDS and kids need some kind of treat sometimes too. Have you ever really compared the prices of healthy foods and not so healthy but filling foods??? In order to make my link stretch the whole month, I have to by-pass the fresh fruits and veggies and go for canned and frozen foods. Until you have to feed your family on the amount I have to for a month, you have NO right to judge me!!! The ONLY time I go to an ER is if it is truly an emergency! I just get so tired of the judgmental people on here that have NO CLUE how hard it is to get by on the amount of disability i receive. I am grateful for what i do get but come on people! Try walking in my shoes for just a month and you will be singing a different tune!
That being said, I would totally favor my tax dollars going to fund more community health care clinics, where people can go and be treated on an ongoing basis for their health problems, instead of running to the ER and getting a temporary fix. I just can't see how a govt mandate could be even remotely cost-effective or even enforceable. Are the ER's suddenly going to be able to turn people away if they don't have proof of their mandated insurance?? If not, there's no point.
I don't have any insurance at all.. And It makes me upset to have to ask for help...I go to the ER only at the last second..I've seen people that are on welfare go there just for a cold do to its easier to. NOTHING AGAINST THE WELFARE (well some of them) people, but they get a card to say they get free services and I work a mim wage job and I don't get insurance at all. I wanted to pay my bill but it was not in the cards. Ive never had that kind of money or even see that much.. but the local hospital(Bromenn) helped me out. I plan on trying to pay them back one day but I need a good paying job to do that ...they need to lower the cost for people like me so we can afford to pay on our own...you kow...
If you don't pay anything, why wouldn't you just go to the ER? They can't turn you away. A doctor's office appointment can take weeks or months to schedule. I'm not sure what anyone would get from going to an ER for a cold, though. There's nothing medically that can cure a cold.
I have a friend who, through no fault of her own, had to go without medical insurance for a year. She had a pre-existing condition and it would cost her three times her monthly wages to get coverage. Her job did not offer benefits. She needed to go to the doctor several times that year. Each time she was told that if she didn't have insurance, she needed to go to the emergency room. These were Bloomington doctors that told her that. That's one reason why hospital ERs are bursting at the seams with uninsured patients. Now she has insurance, and finally, those health issues that sent her to the emergency room three times are finally getting taken care of. Which reminds me of another point: if they would REALLY take care of sick uninsured people, instead of just bandaging their boo-boos and sending them back down the road, they wouldn't see them come back over and over again. It costs less in the long run to give them adequate treatment the first time.
And yes, I do concede there are idiots out there that will abuse the system, but they are few and far between. These days a lot of good, hard-working individuals are suffering from lack of healthcare.
No, the law cannot be enforced with gang-bangers, etc. They don't buy auto insurance, either, but that hasn't hampered that law's effectiveness. If they show up at the emergency room without coverage, fine them heavily, and if they can't pay the fine, throw their butts in jail.
So what if your friend couldn't afford the mandated premiums or the fines either? Are you saying she should go to jail too? Because I think if we're going to have government mandated anything, we can't pick and choose who we think it should apply to.
Good point. If it is mandated, it has to be affordable. If it were mandated, everyone's premiums would come down because everyone would be paying into the pool, unless, of course, insurance companies just banked the extra premiums without passing the savings onto their insureds. There would have to be some rules concerning that.
Bottom line is that things can't keep going the way they are. We are living with an unsustainable situation and we have to make a good faith effort to change. Change is painful, but the longer we let things ride like they are, the worse it will become. Right now, if we switched to socialized medicine, we would have a mess much worse than what Canada had when they first started. If we would have embraced universal coverage when Nixon pushed for it, it would have sailed through with barely a blip on the radar. We are now living in a country where more and more doctors are highly specialized and health insurance companies are scrambling to stay afloat because medical and pharmaceutical costs have gone through the roof. Whether you like it or not, things are changing. It's up to you and me to make sure they change to our advantage. Heck, when I was in high school, doctors still came to your house, and some of them accepted barter payments when they knew money was scarce for their patients. I don't think we will ever return to those times, but we shouldn't have to accept lingering illness and early death as a factor living in the greatest country on earth.
Candid1: If it were mandated, everyone's premiums would come down because everyone would be paying into the pool, unless, of course, insurance companies just banked the extra premiums without passing the savings onto their insureds. There would have to be some rules concerning that.
Actually, Obamacare or ACA, does require that insurance companies to have to use 80 percent of income on their insured. This is to allow profit and assure that the influx of income from newly insured is used for their care. If they do not comply, customers are to receive refunds from their health insurance company.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" That statement comes directly come the US Declaration of Independence. Therefore, I believe that when it comes to someone entering the ER with a life-threatening situation (i.e. unconscious, no pulse, no breathing, severe bleeding, shock) or a traumatic disformity (i.e. broken bone, dislocated joint) should be entitled to treatment irregardless of whether they can pay the bill or not. If it is someone going because he/she has a cold, that person should be required to pay the bill.
May I make a perdiction....If Obama Care is found unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court, and more information becomes available like the above article, showing that we taxpayers must continue to foot the bill for the uninsured; Obama may benefit in his re-election by the Supreme Court's throwing out Obama Care. Obama and his close advisers maybe hoping that the Supreme Court rules against their health care plan! (I am a Republican and I voted for Mitt in the Illinois Primary, so please let me assure you that I am not a Democrat in disguise.) In our zeal to assure that Obama fails in his re-election, we have under estimated this man's political genius. He thinks 3 to 4 moves ahead as in the game of chess, while we Republicans are playing checkers! Look how he put Mitt in the "corner" with his most recent ruling concerning the young illegal aliens, allowing them to obtain work visas, bypassing Congress. Brilliant, just brilliant politically. We Republicans better get "on the ball", or we will have't to put up with Obama for another 4 years!
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I believe it's too late for the GOP
Maybe the public is getting wise to Karl Rove style campaigning. It worked long enough to get us into this economic mess, probably a good lesson for the masses. I'm sure a former downtown business man would have thrived during the first 8 years of this century, the average Joe did not. I hope your predictions are right. Possibly the Republicans should stop looking so desperate, things like the birth certificate nonsense. Also any citizen with two working brain cells knows this health care reform is not Obama Care. It is not what Obama ask to be passed. This was the work of Pelosi and her crew caving to the lobbying from Insurance providers and for profit medicine. Obama ask for single payer insurance like Medicare. Obama signed it because it is better than nothing and can be changed and improved.
Who pays is a good question, but also where does the hospital send the bill for payment? Who in our government signs the bill for payment. Truth is the bills are paid by "Robinhood" methods. Socialized medicine appears to be the next step, and then we can take care of the world with our medical treatment. Planes land on the east coast with people from other countries that take cabs directly to the hospitals. Perhaps the lawmakers should review our liberal policies of providing "free" health care to anyone within our shoreline.
I am all for everyone having to contribute to their own healthcare. I have seen too many people take advantage of the system and quite frankly I am sick of it. There needs to be a major overhaul in the welfare system for sure. I would say offer birth control in the schools and if the parents don't like it, then you better be able to afford the grandkid and pay all bills this includes the hospital bill. My husband and I don't make tons of money but we have to pay our own insurance with high deductibles and we don't get help cause insurance doesn't pay what it used to that's for sure.
Go out to the grocery store when the Link cards are issued and see what these people buy. You will be shocked and amazed. They are buying unwisely, two carts at a time usually with 4-5 kids in tow. The cycle has to be broken and I say it has to start now. No more free rides cause we as a state and nation can't afford it.
Here is a suggestion, raise the cost of goods and services 50% and demand corporate America pay a wage equal to what you claim you have. Has to be pretty good to afford insurance. Most the people on assistance programs are employed. Their employer depends on you the taxpayer to cover part of his payroll. Living a lifetime off straight welfare was over a long time ago. State assistance such as that ended in the 90's.It's now a 5 year lifetime limit. As for LINK purchases what do you care what they buy? The recipient gets a given amount of money a month. When it's gone it's gone till next month. If they buy foolishly or wisely the amount is the same. You don't even know if all those kids belong to them. You also don't know if they had adequate employment when they had those kids. It would be great if we could end all such programs or cut them to a minimum. You really wouldn't like what you would have to pay for goods and services if we did. You can pay for the people who serve you at the checkout or through taxes. Taxes are easier.
I think the Fire Dept produces stats for the EMS transports yearly. I know a few years ago it was close to 8,000 calls, possibly 10% ALS (emergency). An ambulance ride to the ER gets you inside an exam room, if you walk in you wait. Ask a fireman from either community about system abuse. I don't know what the answer is but human dignity and self respect have been removed from the whole Emergency Dept. issue and for a large spectrum of society its ME ME ME followed by the taxpayers who get most of the bills.
No matter which way you look at things, there will always be people in this country without health insurance and we will still pay for their health care. The sad thing is hospitals, doctors, nurses and any one working in health care has to pay for malpractice insurance. This is a high cost to these people and thus is also included in the price they charge for services. What's sad is that these are people who want to help in the health care of others. People are quick to sue anymore. How many people who didn't have health care insurance sue the people who took care of them. I'm not saying that hospitals, doctors, nurses and others make mistakes, but if they aren't told by that person's medical history is this could be why a mistake was made. They're human like all of us are and mistakes can be made. I don't feel they do it delibertly and if they are, God is their judge.
Malpractice needs to be ended, we agree on that. However, I would say that a lot of doctors and nurses chose their job because of the financial reward. Sure, there are many who truly do enjoy helping others, but I would say just as many are in it for the money. I believe there is a large group of doctors who is against universal health care because they fear their salaries will decrease. IMO, healthcare should be a right, not a privilege. To me, morally, it is the only thing makes sense.
It is real easy to find a doctor who is in it for the money. Just call all the docs in the phone book and ask them if they take medicaid. If they do not, it is because they are in it for the money not the welfare of the patient. But then, if one of these doctors already has a large caseload of medicaid/medicare patients then they can't take anymore because of financial reasons. But yea, their malpractice insurance is threw the roof. But those on medicaid and medicare from what i understand cannot sue a doctor. No lawyer will take that problem on.
insurance companies and the insured sue more often than the people without insurance.
It's a lot cheaper to pay for the services when they actually use them than to subsidize the insurance comapnies to give free insurance to everyone regarless if they need it or not. If you want to reduce the cost of health care, stop focusing on INSURANCE.
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Anyone who takes an "OATH" to save lives should be ashamed of themselves if they do not tend to someone in need of emergency medical attention because of the lack of being able to pay. It's always about the MONEY! Yes I understand the sacrafices those people made to be in the position of helping people but I also know what it costs for a simple physical in a doctors office. I hope when these people that refuse to help those in need of care never have a loved one in the position of being unable to pay for medical attention and someday are refused treatment. Always remember it COULD happen to someone close to you!!!!! I'm old enough to remember when the physician's came to the house when we were sick. What's sad is this society has become greedy and everyone looks to sue, sue, sue.
So... you did not actually read the story now did you. They can not turn you away if you NEED treatment. I have been there and done that and paid monthly payments for that care.
The state did not pay the bill nor anyone else.
I have never met any practicioner that has refused to take care of someone in need ! Hospitals are REQUIRED to take care of anyone in emergent need then arrange for transport to a facilty that would provide free care or write off the costs as free healthcare. Hospitals are in trouble financially for a couple diffrent reasons and most problems come down to insurance the other Illinois failing to cap the awards for pain and suffering. Ambulance chasing lawyers have long advertised in illinois praying on those injured in some way litigating for millions of dollars when someone has recieved a "damage" that is quite less. This causes the liability insurance rates in Illinois to be exorbanat !! Eg. a OB doc in Illinois would pay in excess of 100k a year in insurance premiums however going into Indiana or another State with liability caps closser to 10 to 15k. Who pays for those huge costs ? We do, Those who have insurance and pay our bills. Medicare and Medicaid pay less than 20% of the bill, Who pays the rest ? We do by inflated costs from Hospitals and Physicians.
Let's see here, if hospitals are going broke because of the uninsured then how can they build bigger hospitals and afford the latest in technology? Another question, if they are going broke how can they afford to give FREE medical treatment to children and adults from other countries? When it comes to socialized medicine, people in those countries are put on a waiting list so some of them come here and get the medical treatment they need immediately. Canadians, Europeans, South Americans, Africans, you name it, some pay for it, but most get free care, especially for the health and well being of children! I am sure that this will change drastically if we go to a socialized system like these countries already have or don't have. The Obama medical plan is to FORCE everyone to purchase insurance whether they can afford it or not! This will ONLY help the insurance companies, not the people who pay for it!
exactly... Obama care gives a couple little tokens to the masses and a great big fat bonus to the insurance companies
This bill is not payed for adding trillions onto our natinal debt. I wonder how manny uninsured are illiagle imegrants and how many more would be added since our presedent is alowing thousands of them into our contry just as long as they lied to go to school, to get a job and it is thir parents fault. I wonder what the price of thousands of illiagle immigrants collecting our tax money thru gov. programs when they didn't pay a dime. In this bill the gov. takes control of our hospitals deciding who gets what kind of treatment, the gov. would high-jack our system what do they know about treatments. This bill would also share our persanal info with our doc., gov. Athough they are saying it is socilized it is also,controlled. I dont want the gov. to decide weather or not I can have sergery. This bill also mandates that everone has insurance if not then you could be fined, taxed or maybe thrown in jail. Once again our presedent is trying to assurt powers not given to him. He was suposed to be a constutinal lawer but it seems he keeps making bills not granted by the constitution. In conclusion this is not a good bill although we need heath care reform this is not it. We should impeach obama for this mess and many more that he has created. also Hilary Cliton DHS Told congress that they had to pass it to see what was in it Thats not the way america works.
Once again I am going to say....there is nothing we can do about absolutely URGENT situations and these people should not be denied Emergency care. BUT, the ABUSE of the ER services by those with no insurance or on Medicaid has got to stop. By non-emergent I mean like a child with a rash for a week, a cough which has gone on for a week, etc. These are NON-EMERGENT and patient's should be counseled to contact their Primary Care Doctor the next business day. If the State of IL would put a copay on ALL non-emergent visits of even $10 upfront this would put a stop top senseless visits and save $$ all the way around. There are many "frequent flyers" to the ER just due to boredome or drug seeking behavior.
Is this a slow news day or is the Paragraph on such a tight budget you can't afford to hire reporters? Makes me wonder what Bloomington/Normal would be like without a newspaper?
Another slow day...... Repeating a story from 5 years ago.
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