Racism perpetuated by people, government

2013-07-25T07:00:00Z Racism perpetuated by people, government pantagraph.com
July 25, 2013 7:00 am

In light of the organized demonstrations demanding justice for Trayvon Martin, the participants in those demonstrations need to accept that justice was served.

If the outcome of the trial had been the opposite, do you think the Hispanic-American segment of the population would demonstrate, demand justice and get the Department of Justice to investigate?

Juries are for determining who is guilty and who is innocent and judges are supposed to determine what punishment should be meted out to fit the crime.

Racism is a reality in America and people of all ethnic backgrounds want it that way. If America is to become non-racist, then there can be no hyphenated Americans. The citizens and the government of this nation need to quit allowing special treatment for race, nationality or religion. We have freedom for that.

There cannot be African-Americans, Japanese-Americans, German-Americans, Mexican-Americans or any other combination of American. You are either American, becoming American or not an American, and if you are not American, go home.

Steve Arteman

Clinton 

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  1. Birgs
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    Birgs - August 07, 2013 9:07 am
    I know it's been said before on these forums by more frequent posters and defined pretty clearly and factually, but "Stand Your Ground" had absolutely nothing to do with the events that unfolded in the Martin/Zimmerman confrontation.

    For the record, yes, I believe "Stand Your Ground" policies should probably be revisited even if they came about collaterally due to this issue. For the record, I agree the verdict was legally sound based on the charges, but the actions of Zimmerman were not the best course of action for anyone involved. Poor decision making and a good lesson, although at beyond an unfortunate cost, to learn to think first and use preventative measures. Zimmerman was not placed in a defensive position, he inserted himself into a dangerous situation, despite the errant heroism some on her laud as if he should be canonized as a neighborhood do-gooder.

    On a lighter note, as a Lithuaninan-American (whose grandmother, by the vigor of many on here, would have been deported a generation before I could incarnate the post-hyphen portion of that demographic designation), I have great appreciation for your poignant example :)
  2. Stewie
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    Stewie - August 05, 2013 3:42 pm
    Thank you sharpton,jackson and rangle. Among others.
  3. ESJS2010
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    ESJS2010 - August 04, 2013 12:05 pm
    Tea party--alive and well in Central Illinois as this ignorant letter and the biased comments afterwards suggest. The Midwest is always among the last to start and end the fashionable trends--don't you people know the Tea Party is dying on the east and west coasts as it has been shown to be a tool of the rich and racially motivated? Race matters because people, like Zimmerman, make it matter. If the Martyn kid was white, he would not have been pursued by an armed lunatic, wannabe-cop with an attitude.
  4. Irish Mac
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    Irish Mac - August 01, 2013 7:26 am
    Euler you don't understand the Stand Your Ground law. It doesn't give a person the right to pursue anyone, it gives the person the right to stand and stay put to fight and not have to retreat when a life threatening situation exists. Your attempt to mislead and keep bringing the "children" angle into your comments is really disappointing, but typical for your crowd. Fortunately, the majority of Americans are looking at "your" type of America and starting to say enough, this isn't the type of America we want to live in anymore.
  5. Euler 314
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    Euler 314 - July 31, 2013 9:58 pm
    The reasons shouldn't matter to the law, and they don't matter to Trayvon. If my neighborhood is being burglarized by a Lithuanian gang, it doesn't mean I am justified in pursuing and shooting the next person I see coming down the street that has a Lithuanian flag on their shirt.

    This is the problem with "stand your ground" laws. They legalize murder by way of fear. Fear moves very quickly from the particular to the general.

    Should child abuse victims be justified in pursuing and shooting down anyone that "looks like" their attacker of 20 years ago?

    Should female rape victims be justified in pursuing and shooting down any middle-aged man that happens by?

    How about if both victims have PTSD and literally fear for their lives to the point of dysfunction each time they see someone that looks like their former attacker?

    Should members of family X be justified in pursuing and shooting down anyone they see in family Y, because someone in family Y killed someone in family X last week?

    Don't we have law enforcement and a legal system to handle cases like these? To, you know, check to see whether a crime has actually been committed and act accordingly in the interest of public safety?

    Just because we abhor child abuse and rape, for example, doesn't mean that it's a good idea to enable the wholesale killing of anyone that strikes fear into anyone that is the victim of such horrors, even if that fear is based on past victimhood.

    Then we're not just talking about vigilantism, but in fact about blood feuds and revenge killings made legal. Is that really the kind of society we want to have back again?


    "Liberty" is deaf, dumb, and useless without life itself.
  6. Chadwick Snow
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    Chadwick Snow - July 26, 2013 3:32 pm
    Wow, when you depart from talking points your ability to render a cogent argument is incapacitated. First, France was used as an example to illustrate that the practice of uniquely identifying recent immigrants is not a U.S. phenomenon. Virtually all countrys' recent immigrants resist total assimilation and immersion into a single indigenous culture. The example of German Americans et. al., did not reference 200-year old immigration practices. German Americans and Hungarian Americans came to this country - and in fact this community - at the end of the 19th Century - approximately 120 years ago. It was meant to refute your contention that hyphenated Americans are a product changes to our culture 30 years ago. It's not a matter of being PC, it's a matter of virtually all recent immigrants retaining identify with their heritage and that is not "detrementle" [sic] to a diverse society. Your lack of understanding of history, ER, is paralleled your inability to spell. I suggest lessons on both subjects.
  7. Audax Facio
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    Audax Facio - July 26, 2013 10:17 am
    Where's mommie commie when the topics of this nature come up?
  8. earlyriser54
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    earlyriser54 - July 26, 2013 7:33 am
    Of course you would choose France of every country on the globe to try and prove your point. France is one of the few countries on earth that holds certain classes of their own citizens in disdain. Your other example to try and prove your point is over 200 years old. So with the exception of modern day France who are notoriously RUDE to everyone, you have confirmed my point. The PC approach is detrementle to a divierse society.
  9. Harcourt
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    Harcourt - July 26, 2013 5:18 am
    More Americans of the color black are now in prison than were slaves at the height of slavery. As an American of the color white, that's all I have to say.
  10. Chadwick Snow
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    Chadwick Snow - July 25, 2013 8:01 pm
    Actually, it is quite the opposite. Many recent immigrants to European countries are more isolated than in the United States. You only have to go as far as looking at how France handles recent immigrants. It's the fact that the lack of tolerance for diversity drives a deeper wedge than experienced in the U.S. The hyphenated references actually are immaterial. During the 19th century the term Austrian Hungarian was used with regularity. In this country, and even in this community, immigrants during the 19th century were regularly referred to as German American and belong to societies by that name. So, it wasn't "unleased (sic) in the last 30-years.
  11. Chadwick Snow
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    Chadwick Snow - July 25, 2013 7:53 pm
    Well said.
  12. Book Worm
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    Book Worm - July 25, 2013 7:02 pm
    AMEN Steve!!!
  13. rpm49
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    rpm49 - July 25, 2013 5:36 pm
    Hurrah! Common sense is still alive!
  14. rpm49
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    rpm49 - July 25, 2013 5:34 pm
    I agree wholeheartedly!
  15. earlyriser54
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    earlyriser54 - July 25, 2013 4:48 pm
    Your left wing slant is exactly the type of diatribe that promotes exclusion and not inclusion. Steve has it right when he says that until Americans view each other as Americans the division continues. There are numerous other countries that are multi-cultured yet they do not use hphenated terms of description. Tens of thousands of Russians have immigrated to Canada over the years, and they are not referred to as Russian-Canadians. The same as the Japanese citizens who have relocated in Germany and other Europeon countries. Though they have immigrated to another continent they are not referred too as Japanese Germans. It is only in this country and in the past few decades when polictical correctness has been dominate in our society that these silly terms have been unleased on our culture. 30 years ago if you were born in St. Louis and your surname was you were an American, you were not a Italian-American.
  16. ChubbyAlaskaGriz
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    ChubbyAlaskaGriz - July 25, 2013 3:18 pm
    While I can appreciate the coming-together motive behind this letter, aspects of it are simply over-simplified.

    First, the healing of racism can only go so far- it will never be completely obliterated from our culture- as some people dream it to be. As humans, our eyes naturally notice difference- differences in height, weight, beauty, skin color; we even notice subtle nuances like accent, gait, posture, gestures.

    Until the human eye, ear and heart are trained to not see these differences (impossible) we will each react to these differences in certain manners. The key is quelling the bad behavior that all too often results- and upgrading it to good behavior- which ought not be as big of a challenge as it it for some.

    Second- I don't buy the elimination of the hyphenated-American thing. That idea is premised on the thought that we all must be the SAME to get along- which is not the case. Oh I can appreciate the sentiment behind it, but I for one enjoy far too much the Swedish-American Days up in Geneva, Illinois each summer, Lidia Bastianich's Italian-American cooking shows on PBS, and I certainly empathized w/ former New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevy when he said he is a Gay-American.

    We don't have to become homogenized and be and look and sound and call ourselves the SAME to appreciate one another and get along. Looking different- calling ourselves something different? Those aren't America's problems. Being adverse to DIFFERENCE and failing to establish a decent comfort level with folks who aren't exactly like we are- THAT'S the problem.

    Hitler needed to appreciate that in his Germany those not necessarily blonde haired and blue eyed also deserved to exist. Similarly, we need to APPRECIATE our differences here in America- not seek to snuff them out. We ought not have to be the SAME to get along. Difference is not something to fear. Every one of us needs to develop and nurture personal comfort levels that encourage us to accept difference, and reach out to, embrace and CELEBRATE it.
  17. NormalNews
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    NormalNews - July 25, 2013 1:20 pm
    Hopefully future voters will see through the verbal diarrhea that the Obamas of the world spout daily and never vote for someone whose speeches sounds good but carry no message. A modern day Hitler for the liberals foolish enough to listen.
  18. ChipJ
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    ChipJ - July 25, 2013 1:17 pm
    Excellent points!!!
    Let's also not forget all the special holidays and months we have aligned with races, groups and special interests. Anytime we recongize one group and not all groups we further sparate all from just being Americans
  19. earlyriser54
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    earlyriser54 - July 25, 2013 1:06 pm
    Ablolutely correct.
  20. earlyriser54
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    earlyriser54 - July 25, 2013 1:06 pm
    If the NAACP stands for colored people why are they not picketing, protesting, and demanding the Justice Department investigate the dozens of murders of black children and adults on the south side of Chicago each and every week? Obama calls Chicago his hometown so why is he not speaking out for those vicitms, and taking more of an interest in his city?
  21. earlyriser54
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    earlyriser54 - July 25, 2013 12:59 pm
    Excellent letter Steve, 5 STAR RATING.
  22. Pipeliner
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    Pipeliner - July 25, 2013 12:05 pm
    I would like to see this a non racist country, Obama, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the rest of the political trouble makers.would be out of a job.
  23. Chadwick Snow
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    Chadwick Snow - July 25, 2013 9:50 am
    I agree with the portion of this letter that addresses accepting the jury's verdict. The rest of it is nonsense. The part that is deeply disturbing is when the letter writer states that those who are not Americans should go home. I guess that includes everyone on visas who have no intention of becoming citizens. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a hyphenated American. This country was built, and continues to be built, upon the strength of those who come to this country and celebrate their ancestry. All those of Irish ancestry should refrain from celebrating St. Patrick's Day. This type of letter is exactly the type of diatribe that promotes exclusion and not inclusion.
  24. 12for10cents
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    12for10cents - July 25, 2013 9:11 am
    You left out the media? They spent hundreds of thousands of hours covering this case, fueling hatred while ignoring the thousands of others. Anybody ever hear of Kenneth Bleuw? A chief of police in MI town - convicted of strangling his pregnant mistress and unborn child in the woods behind their gun range. Equally as gruesome as scott peterson, but never mentioned outside of local news.
  25. catlbyer16
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    catlbyer16 - July 25, 2013 7:26 am
    I have tried to figure this out and really I can not. What I think is that the jury only was in the court room for about a third of what people watching on TV saw. The public is judging this on what they saw and have been told by the media, whereas the jury had to make it's determinations on what it was told in the court room. But what I totally do not get is the logic of race. If our POTUS is half Black and half White and is called a Black, then why is GZ who is half White and half Hispanic, called White? And another thought here, if The NAACP stands for Colored people, why then do they not stand up for GZ, or should they be forced to change their name also.
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