SPRINGFIELD - A permit to carry a concealed weapon in Illinois could cost about $242, according to an Illinois State Police estimate.

In a lengthy hearing Tuesday, a panel of state lawmakers heard the pros and cons of bringing Illinois in line with the rest of the nation when it comes to carrying loaded weapons in public.

A state police official told members of the House Judiciary Committee that the agency would need to hire additional personnel and upgrade its computer system in order to properly process permits and keep guns out of the hands of felons and mentally unstable applicants.

"This will take time to implement," said Darrin Clark. "It should not be rushed."

Clark said the potential price tag is based on covering the state's cost if an estimated 150,000 Illinoisans apply for a concealed weapons permit.

"This is all speculative," Clark said.

The hearing came as a new poll from the Paul Simon Public Policy Institute at Southern Illinois University showed a wide majority of Illinoisans want more restrictions on the sale of guns and large-capacity ammunition magazines.

The poll of 600 registered voters, taken January 27 through February 8, also showed a majority want to make assault weapons illegal.

In all, 72 percent of Illinoisans said "laws covering the sale of firearms should be made more strict."

And, despite the perception that downstate voters are opposed to more gun control laws, the poll showed that 66 percent of voters outside of the Chicago area favor stricter gun control laws.

Lawmakers are working to draft legislation that would bring Illinois in compliance with a federal court order to allow citizens to carry concealed weapons. Gov. Pat Quinn also wants to ban military-style weapons in response to the killing of 20 school children and six staff members at an elementary school in Connecticut.

Clark said any concealed carry legislation should be very specific about where people can carry loaded weapons in order to make it clear to police what it legal and what is illegal.

University officials told lawmakers they want to prohibit weapons on campus. Business owners want exemptions that would allow them to ban weapons not only in their places of business, but in parking lots as well.

Gun control supporters said the proposed law should give local law enforcement authorities the ability to sign off on who gets a concealed carry permit.

"Their discretion could prove to be invaluable," said Mary Kay Mace, whose daughter was killed in a shooting rampage at Northern Illinois University five years ago.

Lee Goodman of the Stop Concealed Carry Coalition said Illinois should ignore the federal appeals court ruling and wait for the Illinois Supreme Court to weigh in on the issue.

"You should be working for laws that reduce the threat of violence," Goodman said. "The more guns there are available to people. the more gun injuries and shootings you're going to have."

Gun rights supporters disagreed.

"The criminals are going to have guns no matter what," said state Rep. Dennis Reboletti, R-Elmhurst.

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Interested
Interested

A nice addition to the story would be what a concealed carry permit costs in other states. The $242 looks like something similar to a poll tax.

jster
jster

You might not like it, but it is NOT a poll tax -- a poll tax is something charged to enable you to vote. This is not that.

Interested
Interested

If you would read, I said it is similar to a poll tax, i.e, you have to pay a fee for a "right". The proposed fee looks to be higher than many other states, which may prevent some people from being able to exercise the legal ability to CC. I personally don't own a gun of any sort and don't plan to get one, just making an observation.

Ted Kennedy's Swim Instructor
Ted Kennedy's Swim Instructor

Don't be such an obtuse Ding-Dong. Interested is using "poll tax" as a metaphor.

Met-a-phor: Noun - A figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which is it not literally applicable.

Poll taxes were levied to restrict a person (namely black people) from exercising their right to vote. Poll taxes are illegal because you cannot tax or restrict a right, much like how newspapers in Illinois have no sales taxes because you cannot tax free speech.

The $242 fee for a concealed carry permit that should cost no more than a basic $10 fee for a FOID record check is an attempt to deter people from getting a CCW permit. It's almost the exact same thing as years ago when Rod Blagojevich (then a state legislator) proposed making a FOID cost $500 because he said "We'll make people think twice about whether they really want to own a gun" or something like that, with the intent being a financial deterent

As with most gun restrictions, their intent has a little bit of racism in the background. Making guns expensive to own or acquire is to say that you're putting a money test on getting a gun. It's racism in its worst form. The people most likely to be deterred from acquiring a handgun by exceptionally high prices or by the nonavailability of certain kinds of handguns are not felons intent on arming themselves for criminal purposes (who can, if all else fails, steal the handgun they want), but rather poor people who have decided they need a gun to protect themselves against the felons but who find that the cheapest gun in the market costs more than they can afford to pay

annieoakley
annieoakley

Ted, it isn't just racist. It is against the poor in general. They believe that poor people should not have a right to own a gun much less carry one.

outoftowner
outoftowner

I believe the CC permit fee in Wisconsin is $50.

patriot6
patriot6

Moved to Phoenix in July of this year from Normal after 15 years. Arizona used to have a conceal carry permit, but the Arizona Assembly decided that someone without a criminal past and mental issues should not have to be granted permission from the State in order to carry a weapon, as long as you can pass a background check. So there is no cost and no special permit in order to carry just be a law abiding citizen, I am guessing that's what the Founders would have been thinking as well.

BAXTER
BAXTER

I paid $117.00 for my permit through Florida which is good for seven years.
YES its a poll tax.
THANK Illinois for thinking up that one.

righton
righton

and if you are an illegal immigrant, you can get a driver's license for $30.

thisandthat
thisandthat

The reality of it has been proven time and time again laws won't prevent gun violence. Just look at Chicago.

midstater
midstater

I am formerly from Chicago. Not the suburbs. Chicago. I know this has been stated many times over, but THE BAD GUYS ALREADY HAVE GUNS!!!! Just wait till CC passes in IL. As soon as it does, you won't have to see more than two or three stories on the evening news showing where the guy behind the counter at the local 7/11 shot a bad guy during a robbery attempt before that type of crime drops dramatically. Criminals are cowards, search for weak victims, and are opportunists. CC will virtually eliminate their ability to be opportunists. Bad guys will have to think twice before acting. As far as making malls gun free zones, our Gov is an idiot. Announcing where people-packed gun free zones are is lunacy. Perfect place for criminals to go.

BigBrother
BigBrother

Once again the polls are wrong. Its easy to take a poll and use registered voters as the subjects. You simply look at the voters record and determine they are republican or democrat. Target the party you want to push the agenda for and then pose the question in such a manner that the answer would fit your position. Easy as pie!! The most important rule to remember about political polls is they are skewed by the pollsters to achieve a desired result. Why are the gun related crime rates in Illinois not the lowest in the country with the most stringent gun laws?

jster
jster

So do you have evidence that that's what they are doing, or are you just claiming it must be wrong and the result of shenanigans by the pollsters because you don't like it?

justnotrite
justnotrite

I do not believe 66 percent of people outside of Chicago want stricter gun laws. No way. This should be on a ballot and let the people decide.

Settin it Str8
Settin it Str8

I too have a hard time believing the numbers would be that high favoring gun control. Of course, stats are great at being manipulated. They may have had 3 different questions concerning g different flavors of control, from background checks to capacity to 'assault weapons'. Add up all the yes responses and 66% said they favor gun control

horsesnake95
horsesnake95

so what you are saying now mr. state police guy is that your already understaffed and you computer system is outdated to handle the foid card that take two to three months when law says it should only take 30 days. good job passing reasonable conceal carry.

Topshoot
Topshoot

Lt. Clark is stating the facts. After Newtown, the FOID dept. had over 2500 applications on a Sat, when they are only staffed with two. Currently, if my memory serves me right, there is only 3-4 workers being staffed in the FOID dept. You can look at this different ways, but some may not know, the individuals that work in the FOID dept are actually Sworn State Troopers. They literally sit at a computer and do "thorough" background checks, while making approx. 70k a year. That's a pretty cherry position. Sorry for my rant.

horsesnake95
horsesnake95

My point was that the FOID card system has been broken for many years topshoot.

Cynical citizen
Cynical citizen

Well if people favor gun control so much, then why is every gun store in Central Illinois running low on guns and ammunition and why have gun sales and sales of ammunition soared since Newtown?

TheOnly1
TheOnly1

Thinking like a Chicago politician...we (the state) could make more money charging $242 to every adult who does not own a gun. Since they want to opt out of the appellate courts ruling. The made up 66% could just have it deducted from their tax return so the state doesn't have to borrow that money to send that back! Hey, I'm pretty good at this!

Drewski1974
Drewski1974

Start taking bribes, and you'll be ready for office.

Beowulf
Beowulf

$242 for everything. $25 for the permit plus the cost of the class and background check. P-Graph leaving out details, again.

Ted Kennedy's Swim Instructor
Ted Kennedy's Swim Instructor

QUOTE FROM ARTICLE: "in order to properly process permits and keep guns out of the hands of felons and mentally unstable applicants."

So . . . they are telling me it will be a HUGE & EXPENSIVE ordeal to process people through the FOID system (check to see if they are prohibited from firearm ownership) and then add a single data field to the FOID file for a CCW permit number?

I call shenanigans.

This isn't hard to do: use FOID in much the same manner as currently, but print CCW FOID on a new, different card stock. Make it a blue background or whatever. I would eat my hat if this cost more than $75 per applicant for a 10 year permit (same as current FOID).

Ted Kennedy's Swim Instructor
Ted Kennedy's Swim Instructor

QUOTE FROM ARTICLE: "Lee Goodman of the Stop Concealed Carry Coalition said Illinois should ignore the federal appeals court ruling and wait for the Illinois Supreme Court to weigh in on the issue."

Someone please tell this guy that a Federal Appeals Court overrules the State Supreme Court!

Beowulf
Beowulf

Gotta love the smell of desperation when someone is on the verge of defeat.

outoftowner
outoftowner

Some want business owners to have the right to ban weapons from their property, including the parking lot.

Well, that's fine. It won't do any good, but if it makes them feel better, go for it.

A few months ago, in Brookfield, Wisconsin an estranged husband entered a business and opened fire killing his estranged wife that worked there and 3 other customers. Did that "No gun Allowed" sign slow him down? Don't think so.

Also in Wisconsin about 1 year ago, 2 men entered a Milwaukee Aldi store and began a hold up with a sawed off shotgun. There was a concealed carryer standing in the checkout line with his wife when the robbery began. The concealed carrying customer did not act until the armed robber began waving the shotgun toward the checkout line. He then drew his weapon and fired at the robbers, wounding one.The robbers fled and were arrested later when one sought medical help.

The Aldi store also had a "No guns Allowed" sign. The thieves ignored it and the concealed carrying citizen didn't even notice it. The most the concealed carryer could have been charged with was trespassing and Aldi declined to press charges.

Taverns can ban weapons inside the bar if they so choose but most have opted for a sign that states that "consuming alcohol while armed is illegal" and left it at that, without specifically banning weapons in the establishment.

SodaBob
SodaBob

Is the $242 for the actual application? Or is that including some sort of safety class, in addition to the application itself?

If not, it makes no sense. FOID already does nearly everything a carry license application would do (background checks, etc). And that costs $10 for ten years, if I'm not mistaken.

Beowulf
Beowulf

The permit, itself, would be $25 and would be good for 5 years according to the bill currently being debated. $242 is the ESTIMATED cost of everything needed to obtain one.

BC
BC

Oh quit your whining, you are getting conceal and carry. Since no laws are being proposed to limit guns that you can carry on your person save those bucks and pay the fee. So the state might profit a bit from the permit, big deal. Now, do you actually think those women attacked by a felon in church would have been packing? Very small chance. It is legal now for a store owner to have a gun on the premises except maybe in Chicago. If they chose now they could be armed, the law doesn't change that. One known fact is, most intelligent gun owners do favor some form of control over what type of gun is in the hands of the public. Those same owners dislike the NRA. The current run on guns has been a bonanza for the people the NRA actually represents. Manufacturers and dealers are making huge profit scaring Bubba. We had a ban on certain types of guns for 10 years and none of your "sky is falling" whines materialized. Spend more time securing your guns and knowing whose hands they are going into if you sell them. That is the type of laws we need, forced responsibility.

Responsibleone
Responsibleone

Oh, BC, You are the problem! Suggest you transport yourself bac to BC!

NormalNews
NormalNews

Who are the worst criminals in Illinois? Obviously it is the Democrat politicians who care more about illegals "rights" than citizen's rights.

Responsibleone
Responsibleone

Come on people....think a little here! When you take a poll associated with a LIBERAL organization taken locally at a LIBERAL institution of "higher" learning, what do you get?????? Think hard here...... A LIBERAL POLL RESULT.......Let me show you my surprised face! :{}

OldWestGunner
OldWestGunner

News stories keep rolling in concerning gun violence across this country. Every state but Illinois has concealed carry so where are the statistics showing that CC has made a real difference in gun crimes?? Sure the NRA can cite a "few" examples but overall gun violence hasn't really changed because people and criminals haven't changed. If people start CC in churches or at sports events where tempers often flare, this gun owner will stay at home.

Ted Kennedy's Swim Instructor
Ted Kennedy's Swim Instructor

Consult the FBI's Uniform Crime Report and look at general crime rates for the past 30 years. Since Concealed Carry started in Florida in 1987 and then spread across the USA we have seen crime (particularly murder rates) decline to historic lows rates - about equal to where they were in the idylic 1950s.

Randawg
Randawg

Just what kind of liability insurance does one need to carry a concealed firearm? I mean, I need it to work, drive, play sports as a child, but anyone can carry a gun anywhere and there is no liability involved? When I took my test to get my drivers license I also took a test drive with a licensed instructor. Why should firearms be any different? How about random drug tests for CCW permit holders? and for the record I am a current firearm owner, but the NRA is a joke, and it is time for some real discussion on this issue from people who can hold an adult conversation, which unfortunately is not many of us these days

outoftowner
outoftowner

Is driving a constitutional right?

What other rights must one purchase insurance before exercising?

What other rights include a drug test in order to exercise that right?

Should insurance be required to exercise your free speech rights? After all, you may say something that results in a riot.

Should a drug test be required before you exercise your right to remain silent? Drugs cloud your thinking and we want you sober before you exercise that right.

Get it?

Randawg
Randawg

Uh, certain unalienable rights, the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. and so on. Is driving a right? no, but it is dangerous and I could be killed or hurt another and that is why we have insurance. You need insurance to work, drive, own a house, boat, whatever. So you are going to carry a gun around in public and not have insurance? That sounds really great. So when you open fire and cause physical damage and property damage you are going to pay for that out of pocket? Thanks for also cementing my idea that people can not have an adult conversation anymore, you have to respond like it was a personal attack, I guess that is why you feel the need to always have a gun on you

Illinois_Immigrant
Illinois_Immigrant

I am a law abiding citizen who served honorably in the military to protect my rights and the rights of others - even you. I have carried a concealed weapon for over 35 years in several states - I carried a concealed weapon until I moved to Illinois and now don't because excercising my constitutional rights is illegal in this state. I have never "open(ed) fire and cause(d) physical damage and property damage", in fact I have never had to use my concealed pistol for self defense. But my wife has - and I'm really glad that she both had the pistol and knew how to use it!
If the liberal press published more stories of law abiding citizens using firearms to protect their "right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" perhaps the general public would feel differently on the subject.

Illinois_Immigrant
Illinois_Immigrant

Second amendment is a RIGHT - Driving is a PRIVELEGE.
If we start charging people for their rights where does it stop?
A fee to vote perhaps, so only the rich can vote?
Or perhaps a fee to be allowed to attend church?

Euler 314
Euler 314

Rights carry no responsibility? We have no rights to public roadways? Weird.

Illinois_Immigrant
Illinois_Immigrant

Rights carry responsibility, as do priveleges. But should we deny you a right because you may use it irresponsibily? Then perhaps we should require psychological and financial tests before we allow you to vote or pray? Or perhaps we should require you to pay $242 for a permit to be able to express you opinions?

Illinois_Immigrant
Illinois_Immigrant

I've lived in several states - and held Concealed Carry permits in several states (No - I'v enever had to defend myself with my pistol - but my wife did and I am really glad that she both had a pistol and knew how to use it!) but this is the only state where I have heard of paying more than $35 for a prmit.

Why is it that every state is more finanacially efficient than Illinois?

Former Lawman
Former Lawman

So based on the following Tell me how more laws will stop gun violence

Sandy Hook is another perfect example of the fallacy of gun control. Here is what happened...

Another psych drug failure steals guns, WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW.
Under the influence of the psych drugs, he shoots and kills his own mother, WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW,
He transports these guns loaded, WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW.
He brings guns onto school property, WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW,
He breaks into the school, WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW.
He discharges the weapons within city limits, WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW.
He murders 26 people WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW.
He commits suicide, WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW.

And the power hungry leaders of our country somehow think passing ANOTHER law banning guns will protect us from monsters the psychiatric drug companies and their drug pushing psychiatrists started creating ever since these mind altering drugs were introduced to our youth!

I say its time to allow the citizens to defend themselves instead of relying on the arrival of police IF YOU HAVE A PHONE AVAILABLE TO CALL THEM. Maybe just maybe a criminal would think too, "What if this person has a gun to defend themselves and I could be killed doing this?" That may be the largest crime deterant as most criminals are cowards as they prey on the weak women and elderly for most of their crimes.

BAXTER
BAXTER

So what does the thud pay besides possible chance of going to jail and he gets fed by us for a couple years then hes out on the street buying guns again to do another crime.
It's no matter what our government does the crime makers will still get the gun while we are robbed, raped and stabbed.

MRK
MRK

"The hearing came as a new poll from the Paul Simon Public Policy Institute at Southern Illinois University showed a wide majority of Illinoisans want more restrictions on the sale of guns and large-capacity ammunition magazines.

The poll of 600 registered voters, taken January 27 through February 8, also showed a majority want to make assault weapons illegal.

In all, 72 percent of Illinoisans said "laws covering the sale of firearms should be made more strict."

And, despite the perception that downstate voters are opposed to more gun control laws, the poll showed that 66 percent of voters outside of the Chicago area favor stricter gun control laws."

...and none of this nonsense has anything to do with concealed carry. Why the heck is it in this story??? The public's apparent opposition to "assault weapons," "high capacity magazines" has no bearing on the right to bear arms, a part of the 2nd amendment that Illinois has willfully denied to its citizens for far too long.

Reasonable
Reasonable

How long will the permits last? At that price they should be lifetime with a small renewal fee. I think this fee borders on punitive and restrictive. This is not what constitutes the support of the spirit of the constitution.
Without weapons, the strong are free to prey on the weak. (laws are enforced by threat of punishment) How strong do we want our government to be?
It is clear that gun laws only restrict law abiding people. The only measure that has any chance of working, is a house-to-house search across the country. All guns and ammo found will be destroyed. After a certain period, Judge Dredd will execute "on site" anyone in possesion of an firearm.

annieoakley
annieoakley

Nobody called me for a poll regarding the 2nd amendment or any gun control efforts. anyone else here get a call?

I should not have to pay to have my Constitutional rights! Criminals don't pay, why should anyone else?

Larry Fine
Larry Fine

I'm a thug and I have every right to a gun just you all do. I'm a citizen, who cares if I'm a criminal, my 2nd Amendment rights should not be hampered because I'm a criminal. Everyone should be allowed to have any gun they want with no background checks or payments. Guns should be free!! It's our God given constitutional right to have a gun!!!

joe smoe
joe smoe

how silly, of course you did not get a call. they only called registered voters from cook county.

Let's ask--just for giggles- to whose hands and a percentage breakdown of those hands, how this user fee will be distributed. And we won't sit here holding our breath for an answer.

gabeski
gabeski

Yeah, it will be used for education, just like the lottery money!!!!!!

firemedic
firemedic

Pass the CCW permit and the line will be long to get one !Illinois is so far behind on the FOID cards 6+ months the new permit mess will last a year at least

watchandlearn
watchandlearn

I am sure that most or all of us have either walked or driven past someone in our in lifetime even in our somewhat semi sheltered part of Illinois that was in fact carying an illeagle concealed weapon without our even knowing it. I see no reason for responsible law abiding citizens to do likewise.
After all, Bloomington Normal sure isnt what it was 50 years ago. I have myself heard gunshots several times in my own neighborhood and there have been more than just a couple of murders close to where I live over the years.
But, even though I support our right to bare arms, I also feel that taverns and bars should have some restrictions concerning concealed carry.

We already know that drinking and driving doesnt mix. With all the tempers I have seen flaring and bar fights back in the day when I myself once frequented bars I cant see how drinking and carying in a public bar or tavern can be any better. But, on the other hand, how do you know if the joker that just insulted you or your partner isnt already breaking the law by carrying an illeagle weapon . Or, is there already some stipulations on the books that I am unaware of regarding this issue?

oped3342
oped3342

The contention that 72% of people want tighter gun restrictions and high capacity limits is ludicrous. That data is obviously skewed. We already HAVE some of the tightest restrictions in the country!!! Not to mention that it has nothing to do with concealed carry but of course they want to try to brainwash us..Earth to moron liberals and dummycrats: We are not buying it!!!
They should make a law in Illinois that would require anyone that wanted to purchase ammunition or a gun have a ID card that the State Police issued after doing a background check on you. Oh thats right...WE ALREADY DO!!! How bought this, make a law that would require a waiting period and background check prior to acquiring your firearm to make sure you arnt a felon or have been in a mental institution lately. Oh wait..WE ALREADY HAVE THIS TOO!!! Ok since all these surrounding states are supposedly responsible for the gun violence in Chicago they could make a law that would make it illegal to bring a firearm across state lines and use it in a crime...Yeh...THATS A LAW TOO!!
We have plenty of laws, no more are needed..The government and all you too scared to carry a gun or keep one in your home should stay out of my business and my rights under the constitution because they are in no way affecting you...My guns have never hurt anyone and hopefully never will but they and I are prepared to do so to protect myself and my family.

watchandlearn
watchandlearn

Made a mistake, meant to say that I see no reason NOT for law abiding citizens to be able to do likewise.

SSELBYS304
SSELBYS304

Would someone tell me why we should pay anything for a permit to carry if you already have a foid card? If it is ok for me to own a gun why would it not be ok to carry it.
If the morons (lawmakers) that are to make a conceiled carry law dont get it done in 180 days, we can carry any gun in any way we choose as long as you have a foid card. I look forward to day 181 , the idiots in chicago will be pissed then.

SLS0508
SLS0508

SInce when does polling 600 registered voters indicate what a "majority of Illinoisans" want? I'm sure these were 600 folks from Chicago -- not "downstaters". It seems to me that looking at the number of people objecting to the recent legislation that was introduced to limit gun ownership would be more indicative of how people really feel.

I am a gun owner, I have an FOID card. I am NOT opposed to background checks, or keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. What I am opposed to is the introduction of more legislation when we have plenty, it just isn't enforced. The additional personnel for the State Police to enforce background checks -- should already be in place. But, as we know, Illinois likes to waste money and I'm sure can't afford it.

Also, $242 for a conceal carry permit is ludicrous! I highly doubt the peoploe of this state will put up with that.

trishstar
trishstar

sandy hook was a false flag, look it up. the right to conceal and carry is a personal preference and not no legislator. strange you go to a gun show and its peaceful and everyone walks out. everyone will never agree. it is the right of the individual if they prefer to own a gun and there is no right for someone else to tell them they can not. educate yourself on the bill of rights. you can not legislate a god given right and take if from the people and say its a privilege. I don't care who owns what as long as i am not harmed physically.this is the problem with society you listen to the government to tell you how to live and you can not think for yourself. better start reading history how Hitler got into power. You are now looking at the last free country and if you do not wake up to see what is happening right front of your eyes, its gone!!!

trishstar
trishstar

you should not have to pay a free at all to conceal and carry. Your elected officials are ripping us off. ask about the cafr accounts. you have a right to travel without restrictions they charge you to drive a car. You have a right to own a home and they tax you(by the way it is illegal to tax private property) look on your tax record you are being taxed as a business. Yes the american people are being ripped off and stripped. educate yourselfs.

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