Illinois State loses to Wichita State on late 3-pointer

2013-02-17T22:30:00Z 2013-02-19T12:27:47Z Illinois State loses to Wichita State on late 3-pointerBy Jim Benson |
February 17, 2013 10:30 pm  • 

NORMAL – A flagrant personal foul against Illinois State in the final minute gave Wichita State life Sunday night – and the Shockers took full advantage of it.

Jackie Carmichael was given the flagrant foul for kicking Wichita State’s Tekele Cotton above the shoulders on a defensive rebound. That helped the Shockers score eight points in the final 41 seconds, capped by Cleanthony Early’s 3-pointer with 5.2 seconds left that gave Missouri Valley Conference-leading Wichita State a stunning 68-67 victory over ISU.

Carmichael was given the flagrant foul after teammate Johnny Hill was fouled. Officials went to the monitor and determined Carmichael intentionally kicked Cotton at the previous end of the court before the whistle stopped play.

After Hill made two free throws to put ISU ahead, 67-60, Early sank a pair of free throws on Carmichael's foul.

ISU coach Dan Muller was asked if he ever saw a flagrant foul called for kicking on a rebound.

“Never in my entire life, and I would be surprised if I see another one,” said Muller. “They said he kicked him above the neck and he intentionally did it. How Jackie was getting a rebound and intentionally was kicking a moving target, I haven’t seen it, but that was the explanation to me.”

Demetric Williams followed with a 3-pointer before Hill fumbled the ball and turned it over in the backcourt. Wichita State then called timeout. Early, a 6-foot-8 junior, got free off a screen and drained a 3-pointer from the top of the key over the 6-foot Bryant Allen.

After a timeout, ISU got the ball to Carmichael at midcourt.

Carmichael dribbled inside the free throw line, but misfired on a 14-footer as the Redbirds’ four-game winning streak came to an end and left the Redbird Arena crowd of 8,668 wondering what happened.

“I would not say disbelief. I felt we should have won,” said Tyler Brown, who paced ISU with 17 points. “We broke down on some things and they took advantage of some things. We did not take care of what we were supposed to do and this is the outcome.”

ISU’s four-game winning streak ended as the Redbirds dropped to 16-11 overall and 7-8 in the Valley, tied for fifth place with Evansville and Bradley. ISU has to bounce back quickly with a Wednesday game at Evansville.

Brown isn’t worried about this loss hanging with the Redbirds for a while.

“The only lingering effect it’s going to have on me is hoping we see them again sometime this year in St. Louis (for the Valley tournament),” he said. “I want that game back, and that’s the only way I can get it back is in St. Louis.”

Muller said ISU’s locker room was “really down.”

“I told them those last few minutes do not define us as a team and don’t define the night,” he said. “We can’t change it. I told them we did a lot of things wrong at end, not to blame them, but in order for us to lose that had to happen.”

Hill finished with 14 points, while Carmichael and Allen added 12 points each.

“We fought the whole game,” said Allen. “What it came down to is we made a couple mistakes that cost us the game. We have to learn from it.”

Senior guard Malcom Armstead, a transfer from Oregon, paced Wichita State (22-5, 11-4) with 18 points. Carl Hall added 13 points, while Early finished with 12 as the Shockers maintained a one-game lead over Creighton with three league games left.

Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall requested the officials go to the monitor to see if Cotton was kicked above the shoulders.

“Paul (Janssen) said he didn’t do it at first, but then he would look at it,” said Marshall. “I didn’t know what it was, but I knew it was a kick. It could have been unintentional; it could have been intentional. I don’t know his intent. He’s coming out of the air, and Cotton is there and the foot goes to the face area.”

Wichita State scored the first three points after intermission, cutting ISU’s once 14-point lead to 27-23.

The Redbirds, who were 6 of 28 from the field, then hit two straight shots. Brown sank a 15-foot pull-up jumper in transition and then Jon Ekey, who had made one of his last nine outside the arc, swished a 3-pointer for a 32-23 lead.

Brown brought the crowd to its feet a short time later. He saved a possession by diving for a loose ball, then caught his breath and sank a 17-footer. After Ekey’s steal, Allen lobbed to Brown for a dunk on a two-on-one break, giving the Redbirds a 38-27 lead with 13:22 left.

Armstead kept the Shockers close. He scored two baskets, one a 3-pointer, to key a 9-2 run to close the gap to 40-36.

Hill’s three-point play got ISU some breathing room again. ISU started taking the ball at the basket and scoring with Brown, Hill and Bryant Allen leading the way.

The Redbirds maintained a two-possession lead until Early’s 3-pointer brought the Shockers within 63-60 with 2:08 left. After a Wichita State stop, Anthony misfired on another 3 which would have tied the game. Brown made two free throws with 1:07 left before the wild final minute.

“We played a great game most of the game. We made mistakes down the stretch,” said Muller. “I probably should have switched defenses up a little bit after (Williams) hit the 3 against the zone. Johnny feels bad, but he played a heck of a game and shouldn’t think the loss is on him.”

ISU put on a defensive clinic for much of the first half in taking a 27-20 lead at the intermission.

The Shockers missed 10 straight shots in a 7½-minute stretch as the Redbirds went on a 17-0 run to take a 19-5 lead. Wichita State finished the half shooting 30.8 percent from the field (8 of 26).

ISU actually shot worse than the Shockers, hitting a season-low 24 percent (6 of 25) in the first half as Carmichael and Brown went a combined 1 of 13. But the Redbirds delivered at the free throw line by sinking 13 of 15 compared to Wichita State’s 2 of 8.

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  1. bball111
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    bball111 - February 21, 2013 1:15 pm
    MVC said it, not NCAA
  2. JimmyFitz
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    JimmyFitz - February 19, 2013 8:49 am
    The NCAA said ISU was screwd by the Referee
  3. Para World Peace
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    Para World Peace - February 18, 2013 10:14 pm
    I think it's instructive to watch the reaction of the officials to this sequence in the game action. Both of the officials visible in the online video are positioned to clearly see what happens on the play, and appear to be looking at Carmichael when he rebounds the ball; yet neither gives an indication a foul has been commited. If their immediate reaction was "no foul" how does a review of the video replay turn it into a flagrant Technical?

    Wichita State's a tough team, and I give them props for hanging in this game the way they did. However, the Redbirds deserved better than they got from the refs in this one.
  4. RedbirdAlum
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    RedbirdAlum - February 18, 2013 7:31 pm
    They didn't score a basket because they were getting hammered every time they went up for a shot. Did you even watch the game?
  5. isumvc54
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    isumvc54 - February 18, 2013 7:05 pm
    MVC disciplines officials from WSU-ISU game.
    after it awarded technical foul shots to the wrong player in the closing seconds of the game.
    The conference did not say how the officials were disciplined

    Straight from the NCAA site.

    NOT for calling flagrant 1, but for letting the wrong player shoot the foul shots...
  6. biggerbomber1
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    biggerbomber1 - February 18, 2013 6:11 pm
    Breaking news: The Refs were wrong! And after 3 people, DM, Jud, and the scoring official, told them the wrong person was at the line Also to all of the fans and haters saying the birds played bad at the end of the gane are crazy. The last ten minutes of the game the birds missed 2 FG. Made 14 out 15 from the FT and committed 2 TO's one of those being the wrong call on two seperate occasion, Hall(?) was standing on the line when he threw the ball off TB and then the ball hit Hall again when he was further out of bounds. I'll take those stats for every game. All of you saying the call didn't matter and saying the refs were correct, how do you feel now? Also Jackie kicks his legs out on half of his rebounds, all redbirds know that, why wouldn't he be looking down, he's 10 ft in the air with someone under him, he better be looking down to see where to land, If you're driving, and there is a car coming at you wouldn't you be looking at it, same reaction
  7. Jimni81
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    Jimni81 - February 18, 2013 4:52 pm
    "Coach and the thug player should both be suspended" That is anything but the truth. If you like to just throw false statments out there then I understand. Some people just dont have anything better to do...
  8. peni1234
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    peni1234 - February 18, 2013 4:36 pm
    I am an ISU fan but it looked like he did that on purpose. He was looking right at him and there is no other reason for his leg to come up like that. I don't think the refs should be able to review subjective calls like that and the whole hit-to-the-head thing is beyond stupid but that's just the way it is. The only thing you can really question is whether or not he hit him in the head. I couldn't really tell but it did look like his head jerked back a little.
  9. big fan
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    big fan - February 18, 2013 2:11 pm
    I don't think we have to worry about Wichta trying to steal the redbirds coach again. After listening to his post game comments he hasn't a clue. Outscore your opponet by 20 from the line lose and blame the refs? He said he didn't see the replay on the "karate kid kick" but couldn't believe it. Maybe he should watch the replay. MMA doesn't have a place in college basket ball. Coach and the thug player should both be suspended. Good defence. Opponet scores 48 in the second half. What is this coach seeing?
  10. bball111
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    bball111 - February 18, 2013 1:14 pm

    Section 26. Fighting

    Art. 7. When during the course of play (live ball), an individual strikes an
    opponent with the hand, elbow, arm, foot, knee or leg in a nonconfrontational
    manner but the act is excessive or severe, it shall be ruled as a flagrant 2 personal
    foul and not a fighting action. When a defined body part is used to strike an
    opponent but the contact is not severe or excessive, a judgment shall be made by
    the official as to whether the contact is a flagrant 1 personal foul.less
  11. Pist'L Packin' Mama
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    Pist'L Packin' Mama - February 18, 2013 12:05 pm
    Did the refs also give up the seventeen point lead that ISU had? Did the refs take a wild three point shot from in front of the team bench with a small lead and early in the short clock during the last minute of the game? Did the refs shoot the ball poorly during the second half of the game? Did the refs fail to switch on the winning three point shot? Be honest now with your responses.
  12. OldSchool_Team
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    OldSchool_Team - February 18, 2013 11:36 am
    Stupid play by Carmichael. No reason at all to act like that and make that kind of play. He had a clean rebound and had full control of the ball. Just clear the rebound make a decent outlet pass and go win the game. But no, he thinks he needs to Jackie Chan and showboat it. In case you did not DVR the game to able to review it as many times as needed, please see this link, to see the play on Yahoo Sports.

    To me, the key is that Carmichael was looking directly at the WSU player, and I would go even further and describe it as "eye balling" him as he extended his lower leg to make it into an actual "aimed" kicking action. IF Carmichael's head had been turned away, and/or IF his legs were already fully extended, then I would buy that it could have been incidental contact. However, the fact that replay CLEARLY SHOWS that Carmichael was directly looking at the WSU player through then entire kicking movement shows that it was a kick and was not incidental to normal play. Even after the contact with his right foot, Carmichael continued to keep his head and eyes on WSU player, continuing to focus on him over his right shoulder, as his body began to turn counterclockwise in the air. Only after he landed on his left foot/leg, as the kicking right leg was still fully extended, did Carmichael turn his head away fand look to his left to find another Redbird player to make the outlet pass.

    I, nor anyone else, can state what Carmichael was thinking with regards to "intent", but anyone can see where he was looking, what he was focused on while in mid-air with the ball firmly wrapped up and protected by both of his arms, then the action taken to execute a front-snapping kick using his lower right leg.

    Search the net, the play is being headlined and described as a "Karate Kick". No where is it being described or headlined as an "incidental contact" or "extended leg contact".

    Dumb play, bad play. If Carmichael had just played the game as he should, making a fundamentally sound rebound, then the chance for the refs to get involved goes away. Note to young players in ALL sports, just make the play the way you are supposed to and cut out all the SHOWOFF junk that you see on Sports Center.
  13. 1bigdaddy
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    1bigdaddy - February 18, 2013 11:25 am
    The only thing weaker than the officiating during the last minute was ESPNU's analyst Mark Adams justifying the call - if he was still coaching, I wonder how he would have reacted to the fantom call ? it's all BS I tell ya !
  14. Welp88
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    Welp88 - February 18, 2013 11:11 am
    Short story... ISU shot worse... WSU shot better... WSU wins.
  15. JackieChanMichael
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    JackieChanMichael - February 18, 2013 10:56 am
  16. Jimni81
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    Jimni81 - February 18, 2013 10:50 am
    Pretty awesome comment there Observer.... Do you feel any better? Maybe, you should attend a game or two or three and see what " REDBIRD FANS" bring to the game! Bring your ear plugs because i'm sure you will need them.
  17. observer123
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    observer123 - February 18, 2013 10:22 am
    I have never seen a fan base that was so arrogant and out of touch as ISU basketball fans. ISU basketball hasn't done anything in 15 years.
  18. 1bigdaddy
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    1bigdaddy - February 18, 2013 10:09 am
    How was basketball the great game "it was" before 3 officials, replays and all the media timeouts ? The game should be about the players, not 3 overpaid, arrogant officals who think everyone came to see them officiate attitudes. Still love the Birds !
  19. Hoops Fan
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    Hoops Fan - February 18, 2013 9:59 am
    Bottom line is Birds had the game in the bag till Jackie chan went kung fu on that rebound.
  20. observer123
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    observer123 - February 18, 2013 9:48 am
    Exactly, above the shoulder has nothing to do with this situation. According to these people, if Carmichael had punched him in the nuts it shouldn't be a foul because it wasn't above the shoulders.
  21. observer123
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    observer123 - February 18, 2013 9:47 am
    It was clearly the right call. He kicked the player in the chest. It was 100% intentional. Using your logic, if he had punched a WSU play in the crotch, it should not be a foul because it was not above the shoulders. He kicked the guy in the chest intentionally using excessive contact during a live ball. Get over it. Your college hero lost the game for ISU.
  22. Jimni81
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    Jimni81 - February 18, 2013 9:43 am
    Greg Marshall wont let it go... He has last years MVC game in his head playing us. Just wait when and I hope we do play them again during the tournament.
  23. GoodSource
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    GoodSource - February 18, 2013 9:29 am
    It should be noted that these were not MVC officials, but rather officials who work games in other conferences too -- the days of officials being signed up for just one league have long been over. That said, regardless of how well or poorly Illinois State played, this was a classic example of over-officiating. The teams were playing a slugfest and should have been allowed to determine the outcome on their own. That trio of officials included at least two who have always felt that we paid to watch them.
  24. islandbreeze33
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    islandbreeze33 - February 18, 2013 9:29 am
    ESPN says 30-33 FTs. We made more than they took. Not too many teams lose when that happens. Good point about having a 20+ point lead. This game should have been put away. But if I have learned one thing about this team is that no lead is safe...Louisville, Wyoming, Bradley, and now WSU. If there is a way to lose a game, ISU will find it. Oh the regular season that could have been. Five losses will probably win the MVC. We should have been right there! Win in St. Louis and all will be good!
  25. lamo
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    lamo - February 18, 2013 9:20 am
    Tough loss, but I have to agree with islandbreeze. Birds did not play well at all during the final 3 minutes, and shot horribly the whole game. Good teams will take advantage of sloppy play. Hopefully this will be a learning experience and will pay off in the long run.
  26. Roanpony
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    Roanpony - February 18, 2013 9:12 am
    30 for 39 free throws for Redbirds. WSU hung around, got a little lucky. Too many mistakes to just blame the referees. The way WSU shot and played in the first half , it should have been a 20 plus lead at half time. Did star Carmichael break 10 points in this game.
  27. Roanpony
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    Roanpony - February 18, 2013 9:06 am
    Redbirds do not score a basket in the last 6 minutes. Redbirds throw away an in bounds pass with no one around. Not in control of your destiny at that point. And still had a last second shot to win. Thats basketball
  28. islandbreeze33
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    islandbreeze33 - February 18, 2013 8:42 am
  29. bball111
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    bball111 - February 18, 2013 8:42 am

    That pretty much sums it up

    Thank you
  30. bball111
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    bball111 - February 18, 2013 8:39 am
    What no one seems to get is that it doesn't have to be above the shoulders, it could have kicked his big toe n it still would have been a flagrant, HE KICKED HIM!!!!!!!!!
  31. islandbreeze33
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    islandbreeze33 - February 18, 2013 8:33 am
    WSU = 25 Fouls 20 FTs Attempted
    ISU = 16 Fouls 33 FTs Attempted
    It looks like fouls were called fairly. VERY favorable toward ISU
    WSU = 42.6% FG
    ISU = 35.4% FG
    You do not deserve to win when you shoot that bad at HOME! Make a shot!
    Why are we in a zone at the end when WSU hits the 1st 3? Tyler Brown was COMPLETELY out of position and left Williams WIDE open.
    Why does Brant Allen (6'0) switch on the pick and pop to guard a Early (6'8)? Early shot that like BA wasn't even there. Ekey get through a screen!
    Carmichael should have never given the referees the opportunity to make the call. Why is he kicking his leg out like that? Is that necessary to secure the rebound?
    OH! Johnny Hill! Catch the end bounds, face up your defender (who is a slower 6'8 post player), put a move on, and attack. OR just dribble the ball out of bounds and give WSU another possession without shooting free throws.
    By the way Carmichael's last second shot should have been called a charge. He PLOWED that guy!
    EVERY ISU player on the floor made some sort of mental mistake in the final minute.

  32. Rbirds26
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    Rbirds26 - February 18, 2013 8:31 am
    Anyone complaining about the no-call on Carmicheal's proves they don't know what they're talking about. If anything, it was charging. I can think of many calls that went against Wichita. The "T" on Carmichael was legit; he kicked the player. It's the same as pushing off or throwing an elbow while going for the ball. Why did ISU turn the ball over for Wichita's last shot? Was that the ref's fault too? Gotta play 40 minutes, not 39 and a half.
  33. Hoops Fan
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    Hoops Fan - February 18, 2013 8:27 am
    All these comments and not one about the turnover in the backcourt against the full court press in the last minute? You can't kick another player in the head in a basketball game unintentional or not. And CHIP you think the refs were against ISU from the start? What were the numbers on trips to the line? Something like ISU 36 to WSU 20? That complaint doesn't hold water. I'm starting to understand why Coach Smithson left ISU for WSU
  34. bball111
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    bball111 - February 18, 2013 8:27 am
    Hey 1bigdaddy, I did watch n I did dvr it, the only call out of the last four that was incorrect was the out of bounds call given to WSU, I'm not a ISU hater at all, I was pulling for them all the way, read what Allen said, he gets it.

    I didn't see the karate kid complain after the call, he knew it was flagrant n out of frustration.

    And ya I saw that also on my DVR
  35. JimmyFitz
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    JimmyFitz - February 18, 2013 8:15 am
    Referees BLEW THE GAME, for the RedBirds. The cmmentators kept saying "A foot to the face...a foot to the face," Jackie's foot NEVER TOUCHED that players face.

    An awful call that cost ISU the game with a 4 point swing...and the ball.

    The Referees should be suspended from the post season.
  36. 1bigdaddy
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    1bigdaddy - February 18, 2013 8:00 am
    hey bball111 - rewind your DVR and take an objective view of the last minute of the game - even an ISU hater would have trouble explaining the last 4 calls.
  37. bball111
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    bball111 - February 18, 2013 7:45 am
    Isu choked, y is everyone complaining ? Refs got the call correct, doesn't matter if it was below the head, he obviously used a karate kick, he even looked at him before. A coach can request a review on a flagrant at anytime after he or she thinks it occurred , Carmichael lost his cool at the wrong time, as far as the last shot by Carmichael he ran over the guy, neither team will ever get that call at the end of the game.

    If u need to complain maybe u should complain that your team took bad shots n made terrible decisions that dictated the result of the game.

    Stop your crying !!
  38. isumvc54
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    isumvc54 - February 18, 2013 7:21 am
    The officials can review shots to make sure if its a 3 or a 2. They can review fouls to determine if they were flagrant, they can review the shot clock and game clock, but I didn't realize that Coaches could request a review of something that happened on the court with ALL 3 officials watching and was a NO CALL at the time.

    I really think that all of Greg Marshall's whining and complaining at the end of the Valley tournament game ISU won last year paid real dividends for him this year..
  39. 1bigdaddy
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    1bigdaddy - February 18, 2013 7:07 am
    4 "calls" in the last minute that ultimately change the outcome of the game - 2 incorrect, 1 called after the fact by Wichita bench and 1 no call at the end of the game on the last second shot by Carmichael. Those 3 officials should not take payment for that game. They collectively choked bad and showed there true quality !
  40. SDog
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    SDog - February 18, 2013 6:58 am
    Quit the embarrassing complaining about officiating. Teams with mental toughness when games like last nights game. Maybe we need Coach Smithson's MTXE campaign again.
  41. Chip
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    Chip - February 18, 2013 6:56 am
    As a bird supporter since 1981, this ranks with one of the worst officiated game I've ever witnessed. Normally I take the position, you win some calls, you lose some calls and move on. But, from the start of this contest the ref's made it clear they (primaruly 2 of the ref's) were not going to let the visitors lose and to the points above, they are accurate on the flagernt call. if you will notice on the replays, none of the refe's made a call or blew a whistle until the opposing coach raised such a fuss that they stopped the contest to review. That is one where the other coach had as much influence that the the ref's themselves. I hope the Mo Valley brings back some recourse against this kind of poor calls because they the ref's made or missed call after call throughout the nught. I'm so sorry for the birds because they tried and no matter what they did the ref's had a different outcome in mind.
  42. RedbirdAlum
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    RedbirdAlum - February 17, 2013 11:42 pm
    They won't overturn it - that never happens. The flagrant becomes a judgement when reviewed. The thing is, nothing in the rulebook calls for that to be a flagrant. He didn't decide to become an ultimate fighter at that point of the game kick him with intent. The other player just jumped right into his foot at chest level. Valley referees are morons anyway. They couldn't referee a girls junior high game.

    Another call which SHOULD have been reviewed was Carl Hall standing on the baseline and out of bounds when he threw the ball off Tyler Brown late in the game.. The ball was given to WSU. That play is reviewed in the NBA. Is it not reviewable in college? That play was huge, also.
  43. Papa Shango
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    Papa Shango - February 17, 2013 11:27 pm
    We got jobbed!!!!!!!!
  44. Billiken07
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    Billiken07 - February 17, 2013 11:23 pm
    The interesting thing here is that while the refs are allowed to review possible flagrant fouls, upon review they got the call wrong. Jackie did not make contact with Wichita State player above the shoulders, which would be a flagrant one as called. Instead, he hit him right on the Wichita on his chest, which is at most a personal foul, which is not reviewable and therefore, ISU should have be up 7 and it should have been WSU ball at the ISU end of the court instead of ISU up 5 with WSU ball at their end of the court. This is why the NCAA should review the end of this game and overturn the result if possible.
  45. MacDaddy
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    MacDaddy - February 17, 2013 10:53 pm
    The flagrant foul call was absolutely terrible. Especially, since it was not called at the time it happened, the ref was right there. No whistle play on... I did not think that replay was used for this, but hey I could be wrong.
  46. RedbirdAlum
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    RedbirdAlum - February 17, 2013 10:22 pm
    If this game doesn't highlight how bad Valley referees are, I don't know what does. Just a complete joke.
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